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Anonymous Sun Apr 19 20:59:21 2015 No.6431722 [Reply] [Original]

>Veganism isn't a mental disorder

I can understand Vegetarianism. namely because that for people who want to diet and get fit. A large majority of the /fit/ community are vegetarians

Veganism is for people who're in denial about being anorexic because society tells them they need to be fit all the time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:08:58 2015 No.6431761 >>6431722 sure, OP, whatever you want to think

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:13:22 2015 No.6431771 >>6431722 >A large majority of the /fit/ community are vegetarians Where on earth did you get this idea?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:44:24 2015 No.6431858 >I'm cold. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:47:05 2015 No.6431868 Veganism = diet-cum-religion. It's no more a metal disorder than theism. That is to that it's a metal disorder.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:52:18 2015 No.6431889 >>6431722 >omnivore Eat whatever you wanna eat, brude. Just don't force stuff upon others.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:53:42 2015 No.6431893 >>6431881 >Vegan spotted Run before it starts explaining industrial farming processes!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:54:59 2015 No.6431897 >OP's comic >Doesn't know that Breatharianism is a thing

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:56:16 2015 No.6431903 >>6431897 >Breatharianism Yeah because that doesn't scream mental disorder either

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:58:57 2015 No.6431911 >>6431903 Oh it totally is. My point was that the comic was trying to be absurd about something that actually, totally, frighteningly exists.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 21:59:21 2015 No.6431912 >>6431868 >It's no more a metal disorder than theism. >"Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything." Gen 9:3 Nah, God seems like a pretty cool guy to me

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 22:01:32 2015 No.6431919 >>6431911 The only person who actually does the Breathe based diet thing is that one girl in Russian who ruined her good looks trying to look like Barbie.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 19 22:05:39 2015 No.6431924 >>6431919 We had tons of pics of her /s, it was pretty funny, I bet /b got them too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 03:35:36 2015 No.6432635 File: 7 KB, 249x250, 1425525114914.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431722 >I can understand Vegetarianism. namely because that for people who want to diet and get fit. A large majority of the /fit/ community are vegetarians

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 03:47:18 2015 No.6432654 >>6431722 >A large majority of the /fit/ community are vegetarians what

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 04:53:37 2015 No.6432748 >>6432654 He means except for the, umm, protein, or should it be called bro-tein.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 04:57:24 2015 No.6432753 >>6432748 It's protons idiot

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 05:06:18 2015 No.6432777 Cramming everything into a lens of what is "mentally healthy" and what is "mentally disordered" is the only true mental illness we've been consistently plagued with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 05:38:33 2015 No.6432820 >>6431722 >A large majority of the /fit/ community are vegetarians Make a thread on /fit/ right now and see how wrong you are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 05:51:55 2015 No.6432846 >>6432777 >tumblr-anon pls, you're not a plantkin

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Anonymous Mon Apr 20 05:57:33 2015 No.6432852

>>6432846
I can't really respond without actually knowing what they mean by tacking "kin" on the end of things.

It probably doesn't mean much of anything and is just more stating the obvious.

"Hey guys. The Earth is one intertwined whole. All things can be viewed as wholes composed o parts that themselves are wholes composed of parts. I am a whole, but also but a mere part. The Earth is like a grand organism and I, the rivers, the trees, the grasses, the dirt, the radioactive decay creating warmth beneath my feet, are but its systems, and we are deluded by being confined to a give scale. The earth and all things speak, we simply haven't the ears to listen.

I am omnikin."

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:07:35 2015 No.6432863 >>6432852 I used to play that game in elementary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:10:34 2015 No.6432864 File: 162 KB, 672x900, Veg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431722 >anorexic I know a thick vegan. I don't know how she does it. Probably oreos. Lots of oreos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:15:15 2015 No.6432867 File: 91 KB, 855x559, 10lbs of lettuce a day.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6432849 In healthy food, there's literally no reason to eat dead animals in 2015.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:18:37 2015 No.6432871 >>6432863 What game?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:27:51 2015 No.6432884 File: 3.26 MB, 338x221, PX9xk6q.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431868 >It's no more a metal disorder than theism As an atheist, shut the fuck up

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:40:59 2015 No.6432902 >>6432864 >I know a thick vegan. I don't know how she does it. oil id vegan. You can pig out in french fries and ketchup all day and still be vegan. Fat vegans are easy to find.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:42:00 2015 No.6432903 >>6431868 >metal disorder robots aren't allowed to post there. leave immediately.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 06:52:01 2015 No.6432913 >>6432864 >Probably oreos. Lots of oreos Oreos aren't vegan. You have to buy Hydrox to be vegan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 07:54:40 2015 No.6433028 >>6431912 >>6431868 >metal disorder ROCK ON DUDE SLAYER AUHAUGUAHGAZUHGUAGHUAUGAHUGHUIGAHUGAUGHAGUHGAHUGAGHU

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:09:47 2015 No.6433044 >>6432864 Thin Mints and Chico Sticks too!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:27:47 2015 No.6433053 >>6432849 Beans, the more you eat the more you gain. >>6432867 I like lettuce as much as anyone else but she must have the most boring diet imaginable.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 08:46:22 2015 No.6433070

What annoys me about vegans is that every time I talk to one and he tells me about how we exploit animals, at that very moment he is either wearing clothes or has a piece of tech that has been produced in a factory wich exploits people.

Sorry kids. Face the laws of the universe - it is literally impossible to have anything good happen without something bad happening somewhere.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:26:13 2015 No.6433141

>>6432864
Man, most of my brother's friends are vegan, and there's one skinny girl in that bunch, the rest are all chubby-fat. If you talk to a vegan, they'll have you believe they eat mostly veggies, grains, tofu/tempeh meals, but honestly, they mostly eat junk food out of convenience. It's really hard/expensive to eat vegan while being healthy.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:40:51 2015 No.6433164
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>>6433141
>It's really hard/expensive to eat vegan while being healthy.

It isn't that hard, it is just boring.

You can easily have a cheap and healthy diet of porridge, salad, stewed vegetables and fruit.

The problem is that is is not very satisfying, even if you try and mix it up with curries and soups.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 09:57:37 2015 No.6433209

>>6433164
I've had more vegan food than most guys my age due to being vegan by proxy from a couple of relationships.

I can say that if you choose to only eat carrots, lettuce and rice, you're not very imaginative.

The key to nailing properly delicious vegan food, is first: balance them nutrients. Instead of just taking a meat dish, and replacing the meat with beans and grains, you have to fabricate a dish from scratch.

I can't be fucked to reiterate what every good dish looks like, so go google.

Spices are your friend.

I am a meat loving omnivore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:07:45 2015 No.6433231 >>6432852 How about mootykin

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:07:51 2015 No.6433232

Vegetarianism makes no sense to me. You're still harming/killing plants, and pain only exists as a warning that the animal is going to be harmed/killed. People try to argue that it makes sense for anarchists to be vegan because it's less hierarchy, but putting animals above plants in value ends up just creating more hierarchy than there already was.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:09:40 2015 No.6433233 >>6433070 That's because they have an axe to grind and need to justify themselves by shoving their opinions in the faces of others. Kind of like flaming homos.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:12:13 2015 No.6433237

>>6433232
>anarchism means no/less hierarchy
keklol

Anarchism means "no rulers". Doesn't mean "no leaders" or "no hierarchy".

Industrialized meat is a really fucking big industry. It's not beneficial to "mom and pop stores", but rather to vast conglomerates. Supporting conglomerates is dumb, anarchists (in theory) try to do less preventable dumb shit.

> inb4 "lol anarchist with smartphone"
> nobody othr htan capitlast can believe in anything without going full retard and living in a cave.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:15:11 2015 No.6433242 >>6433237 Do you really believe in that cultist crap and do wear an A in a circle on your simulated leather jacket?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:15:42 2015 No.6433244 >>6433053 Plant protein is not equivalent to animal protein. You're a joke. Vegetarians, and even more exaggerated in vegans, routinely lack core nutrition that destroys their bodies over time and creates noticeable, lasting organ damage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:16:13 2015 No.6433246 >>6433237 >Anarchism means "no rulers" That's the definition of the word anarchy, but anarchist philosophy doesn't end there most of the time. What's the point of trading one industry for another if they're both big industries?

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:20:38 2015 No.6433253

>>6433242
Congrats, vaguest "anti-anti"-comment I've heard this week, and it's already monday.

Which cult do you speak of? The centralized cult that is Anarchism By Nike Inc. or just the vague fucking notion that maybe democracy is as bad as dictatorship?

I wear a seconhand leather jacket and dont buy new clothes unless I really need to (like a new shirt, new suit that doesn't look like it's from the 80's etc). And the frequence of that has gone down.

I try to eat only low-impact foods, but I'm not perfect. Mostly veggies, though, but some chicken and beef in between.

>>6433246
Sure, the philosophical aspect goes on for miles and miles. Problem is, there's no real banner to unite under. That's part of the charm too, as it's harder to appropriate anarchism as such without breaking it. Kinda like the whole "We are anonymous" shtick.

Honestly, if I didn't have to work for twenty odd years to afford living in the countryside, I'd grow my own shit and keep some sort of animal for meat. Self sufficiency is sexy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:22:17 2015 No.6433254 There were a few "anarchist" hypocrites in my high school and they were so full of shit that it wasn't worth engaging in debate with them, they weren't worth shaking a stick at.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:25:07 2015 No.6433256 >>6433253 I wont engage you in a debate when you can't even make a coherent point. "low-impact" foods. You could just kill yourself if you really want to be green and be "low-impact." That's the cult, the cult of STUPID!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:28:12 2015 No.6433261 >>6432884 Athiesm = theism. A belief in something without proof.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:30:43 2015 No.6433269

>>6433254
Haha, sure. Douches be douches. But so are the so called "pro capitalists" you meet anywhere nowadays. They claim to love all things "free market" and "direct competition" and "small government" or whatever, but it's all a sham. It's a sham to appear more reflected, cynicism as a shield against true understanding. Protectionism as a shield against unpredictable change.

True capitalists are more sympathetic than fake anarchists, and real anarchists are more sympathetic than fake capitalists. Capish?

There are so many alternatives to industry meat. Switching out "meat for every meal" with "meat for 1/3 of meals" is really good for you, and you can easily replace the nutrition with beans and grains to get full protein chains.

As long as you don't radically change your diet without really looking into deficiency illness etc, you really will be fine, no organ damage.

>>6433256
I value my life over yours. So I might as well kill you, to validate your point.

Low impact for me, in this context:
hasn't travelled 4+ times across the border for tax reasons.
isn't from a factory abroad
is produced locally, or close to locally
prefer small creatures over big (fish over chicken over pork over beef)
eat much veggies.

Cult of stupid, lol. Try harder. Is it less stupid then, in your opinion, to just scarf down whatever is placed in front of your lardy, greasy facehole? Sure seems to work very well for the rest of the ameritards. And how healthy they all are. Almost no diabetes/cardiac/nutrition problems at all, since they're all non-members of this "cult of stupid" you refer to as pertaining to my view of anarchism. Oh no, they are all convinced by the "cult of smart" that is the american dream.

Fucking doublespeak more, and you'll be begging yourself to kill yourself next.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:36:49 2015 No.6433286 >>6433261 any -ism, but that's freedom of choice which we have. If someone is so weak that they have to try enforce their -isms on others then they've lost the plot. I don't care about your -isms as long as they don't conflict with my interests.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:38:06 2015 No.6433289

>>6431722
>society tells them they need to be fit all the time.
Ha ha. You got that backwards. Fit is the default. But we live in a society where hard physical work is uncommon and calories are cheap, so fat has become the default. And the obese are increasingly tolerated instead of looked upon with disgust. If anything society encourages us to become obese. The fit ideal is only used to sell us stuff, because we're hard wired to find it sexually attractive.

>>6433141
>It's really hard/expensive to eat vegan while being healthy.
Not if you cook. If you cook it's easy, cheap and delicious. But if you're a lazy fatshit who thinks spending an hour or so a day in their kitchen is "hard" then eating vegan is going to be unpleasant.

But remember: regardless of your choice of diet no one who lives off fast/convenience food is eating "healthy".

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:39:12 2015 No.6433293

>>6433286
>"I don't care unless conflict"

That's pretty much how any ism works. So you can't really opt out unless you're a complete pacifist. If you still want to create trouble over conflict of interest, boy do you ism that schism. Doesn't mean you know which it is, though.

Claiming you have no ism is just ignorant of the concept. It's like claiming you have no home planet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:42:44 2015 No.6433303 >>6431912 God murders people just because they do things he doesn't like. The bible is filled with stories of him just disposing of people. You worship a murderer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:43:25 2015 No.6433305 >>6433286 what about jism

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>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:46:59 2015 No.6433312 >>6432864 Apparently a lot of vegans fall victim to eating pasta which will make you fat so quick if you don't have an active lifestyle

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:47:25 2015 No.6433314

>>6433269
You can try to kill me if that would justify your shit, but I'm capable of defending myself and very likely would kill you in the process.

You're the one that brought violence up, kind of like faggots and anarchist types usually do. I've found over time that you types are the ones that are first to resort to violence when destroyed in debate or incapable of it or just plain disagree with others.

We can use force too when necessary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:49:15 2015 No.6433321 >>6432884 Spoken like a true atheist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:50:21 2015 No.6433324 >>6433293 I'll jizem on your scism!

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:50:41 2015 No.6433325

>>6433314
"Us and them"
Top Pop Stop Kek.

Kindly go masturbate. Let off some steam. You're all sweaty, anon.

You brought up "kill yourself" as an alternative to spending energy finding out/considering alternatives to the most eco-intensive options regarding food.

I feel there are less coherent ways to discuss this, but not really a lot less coherent than "omagad bra, me n ma cus r gonna take u fckn anrckst types, ya heard!" which is your post.

Argue for/against how a conscious relationship to what you stuff your soundhole with is better/worse than killing yourself, but remember, I like living more than I like you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:52:35 2015 No.6433334 >>6433324 Not before I wizm on your pizm!

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:52:45 2015 No.6433335

>>6433237
>Anarchism means "no rulers". Doesn't mean "no leaders" or "no hierarchy".

The problem with Anarchism is that because it has 'no rulers' it is really prone to cults of personality. That means that most Anarchist groups are far more authoritarian and prone to abuse than other political groups.

I know far-right Fascists groups which are more open to other opinions and beliefs than the average Anarchist group.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:55:48 2015 No.6433341

>>6433335
I wholeheartedly agree. It makes me sad.

Then again, most "anarchists" don't really know what they're talking about, and have really just had a few bad run-ins with the cops, therefore condemning all kinds of rulership in one fell swoop.

I'm an anarchist because I think all the options are equally shit. So why not make a system based on no rulers work, instead of bureaucratizing the fuck out of dictatorship/"democracy".

It sure would leave more time for leisure and fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 10:57:58 2015 No.6433345 >>6433325 Pink Floyd : Us and Them (Very RARE) with David Gilmour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz34-rsPv2I

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:02:46 2015 No.6433355
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>>6433325
The world doesn't revolve around you or your cult and I don't care if you like me or not.

Get over yourself.

Are you a faggot and an anarchist?
Great combination and would explain a lot of your bullshit. You should consider therapy, /ck isn't your therapy session.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:05:07 2015 No.6433364

>>6433308
I was talking about bible stories. God is the most unlikable character in a book, he punishes people because they don't share his viewpoint. All the people that translated those scriptures did nothing to make him seem likable in anyway and most religious aren't based on real love, it's based off manipulation and fear and feeds off ocd type tendencies which is why religion is so ritualistic.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:08:05 2015 No.6433367
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>>6433364
So don't believe in it, unless you're some islamic freak job nobody is forcing any religion on you. You're still going to go to hell you hethean scum!

Now eat a cupcake like the fag anarchist that you are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:15:26 2015 No.6433378 >>6433053 Shes also terribly unhealthy. She is like late twenties early 30s and she looks like a mid 50s woman who has smoked her whole life

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:24:53 2015 No.6433394

>>6433141
>It's really hard/expensive to eat vegan while being healthy.
The only vegan staples that are expensive are nuts. And nuts are something you should be having even as a meat-eater. Beans, legumes, grains and tofu are all really cheap compared to meat. I'm not a vegan but I could easily go vegan on a very lean budget. The only thing I'd miss is dairy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:36:42 2015 No.6433418 >>6433367 >>arselel >>arseanal pls die of cancer

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:48:37 2015 No.6433439 File: 62 KB, 476x717, lefedoraguy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I get upset when people choose not to eat meat and dairy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 11:54:36 2015 No.6433450 >>6433394 >The only vegan staples that are expensive are nuts. That and out-of-season produce

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:01:58 2015 No.6433461 >>6431722 /fit/ is not vegetarians. do not lie to yourself

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:02:42 2015 No.6433464

>>6433394
>I'm not a vegan but I could easily go vegan on a very lean budget. The only thing I'd miss is dairy.
I did that, and it turns out dairy was not what I missed. The two things I missed were seafood and lamb. So some of the money I save eating vegan on a day to day basis goes into splurging on lamb and seafood once in a while.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:13:50 2015 No.6433487 >>6433464 >splurging Not really on topic, but is it only me that is offput, filled with irritation, and disgust simply seeing or hearing this word? Everything it is and implies, along with its very sound. Awful.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:25:36 2015 No.6433517

>>6433487
>Everything it is and implies, along with its very sound. Awful.
Sounds like autism to me, but I think of it like this. We live in a world where we can casually eat foods on a day to day basis that are as rich as the stuff our forefathers used to eat for festivals and celebrations. As someone who really doesn't do much in the way of festivals or celebration meals I have to draw some kind of line between everyday foods and once in a while foods. I just used the term "splurge" as shorthand for that latter category.

Similar terms that irk me are "indulgence" and "cheat day", because I just envision the rolls of fat hanging off the person who responds to such terms.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:48:54 2015 No.6433552

>>6433517
Unfortunately understand its basis within your perspective does little meaningfully alter my own.

I think of it like this. We live in a time so driven by instant gratification, depending on location, with its average populace so wired for it, they're unable to even imagine stomaching the slightest discomfort. The slightest inconvenience deeply bothers them and is seen as quite a relevant matter, when for lack of better terms, "it's actually trivial and barely fucking matters."

We know this. They know this. Everyone knows this. But knowing is not doing, and knowing isn't believing or accepting. So you have to have rationalizations and subtle social signals meant ti receive certain signals in return. "Oh gosh, I totally know I shouldn't have, but, I just saw it and I know I can't afford it, it's probably but for me, but I splurged and bought it... ;)" They might as well tack on a wink, a nudge, and a nod. Make up your damn mind, which is it? Are you an animal driven by your desires, or are you a being of reason that does things for reasons and makes choices that reflect on you? No one bothers with a coherent perception of themselves nor a coherent world view, it's too hard and gets in the way of what they actually want and need to justify doing, so they keep up some half broken facade. Just be honest. You didn't splurge. It wasn't truly bad in your mind. You wanted somethin', you got it, and that's it. The ambivalence and dualistic sense of self experience is largely false. Masks should have something than such a petty sense of utility.

Call it autistic all you want, but that kind of behavior is nothing beyond madness. It is evidence of a very, very sickly society. If you want to judge a culture, it's often effective to start with its food (a measure of resource and gratification perception) and how it treats it. "Splurge" embodies all this shit and has a spectrum of possible embedded ideas. It is not strictly a shorthand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:50:07 2015 No.6433556 >>6433552 What is it with chocolate and sleep deprivation that makes me leave words out like mad. That's more disgusting than the word the topic is based around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:51:54 2015 No.6433559 File: 289 KB, 1024x768, 1372550233594.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can't wait for scientists to figure out that plants are alive and therefore we shouldn't kill and eat them either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:52:55 2015 No.6433563 >>6432867 In the video she's 24 but looks like a 39 year old smoker

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:56:13 2015 No.6433567
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Humans are omnivores. Not even some conservative macho-man meme bullshit, it's simple science.

I think females tend to be vegan because it doesn't make a significant difference in their bodies.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:58:48 2015 No.6433571
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>>6433559
>Figure out that plants are alive
That isn't really debated. It's pretty long since agreed, at least in a scientific sense. Though it's worth noting that we struggle to meaningfully define life to begin with.

inb4 someone quotes the typical defined conditions. I don't agree or buy it, any serious scientist likely wouldn't either. It's not meant to be taken as truth or gospel, it's just a serious of rough guidelines and approximations that mostly work on our scale and relative to our own sense of perception. But there are holes a plenty.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 12:59:54 2015 No.6433573 >>6433559 Plants are alive. The big thing would be if they feel pain. Then there'd probably be a PETP

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:00:45 2015 No.6433577 >>6433571 >serious of series of* Fuck it. I'm done, it's not worth it. >>6433567 neu5gc

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:02:18 2015 No.6433580 >>6433573 They sense threatening thoughts, destruction of other plants, and responds to stimuli on an electrical level. They clearly possess a sense of consciousness no more channeled than our own.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:11:13 2015 No.6433609

>>6433355
>angry faggot tries to prove something by being angrier than normal.

Yeah, keep it coming. It's obvious nothing I say can make you realize you're no less brainshat than the rest of your kin. It's also obvious you misunderstand simple english, making it even harder to get a point across.

>the world doesn't revolve around you
lel, this is news, m8. I had the impression being an anarchist made everyone love you more, since you'd accepted your rightful place in the dead center of the world.

Turns out internet wisdom from your twelve year old raving proved me wrong. Gosh golly, where do I sign up for the Republican Party Picnic?

In closing, It's obvious you've got deep seated anger issues. You would be a great cop.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:14:06 2015 No.6433617

>>6433552
>that kind of behavior is nothing beyond madness.
I agree. This is why I pretty much do not shop for anything beyond ingredients at the grocery store that I use to make meals in my own kitchen. I'm into process. I do not want to just grab a shitburger. I want to cook my own food. When my wife grinds her own grain to bake sourdough bread what comes out of our oven is much better than what I could get at the local bakeries or the fucking supermarket.

Unless you're very rich the convenient options are almost always degraded ones. If I can walk or bike somewhere it's going to be a richer experience that hopping in the car. Reading a book or going out to see live music is a richer experience than flipping on the television. Keeping active and lifting weights seems like much more fun than getting fat and complaining about back pain like so many of my peers. Putting in some effort gives you a much better quality of life than settling for the default shit.

But you're right - many people would much rather settle for convenience over quality - and there's lots of money to be made catering to them. Most of those industries don't see a cent from me. I haven't even bought any clothes in like five years.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:19:12 2015 No.6433627

>>6433617
Well said.
Much the same I'm aiming for, but the real trick to having a healthier lifestyle (biking over driving, cooking from scratch over prefab etc) is habits. And habits can be hard to make, even though maintaining them is comparatively easy.

Good on you!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:28:18 2015 No.6433644 >>6433609 >deep seated Speaking of misunderstanding simple English, it's deep SEEDED, not "seated".

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:44:47 2015 No.6433699

>>6433644
Very very nice. Five points for you for discovering: a non-native has one letter wrong in an idiom, keeping the meaning much the same, but still incorrect.

Thanks for correcting me. Now, the larger problem is whether you actually understand what you read, not whether every idiom is perfect. Comprendes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:46:32 2015 No.6433704 >>6433644 http://grammarist.com/usage/deep-seeded-deep-seated/ bwhaha, boil your head, faggot

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:50:07 2015 No.6433710

>>6433644
are you always this wrong?Deep-seeded almost makes sense in a metaphorical way (though seeds sown too deeply won’t grow), but deep-seated is the term you’re looking for. The phrasal adjective (usually requiring a hyphen) simply indicates that something is seated (in the sense fixed firmly in place) deeply in something else. The OED defines it as having its seat far beneath the surface.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 13:59:35 2015 No.6433733 >>6431771 keto for the gains bruh

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:01:06 2015 No.6433736 >>6433733 Haha, keto cracks me up. Enjoy sudden liver failure and yo-yo weight gain after quitting, bruh.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:03:29 2015 No.6433747

>>6433699
>Now, the larger problem is whether you actually understand what you read

Oh, I'm not part of your silly little argument. I just thought it was terribly ironic that you bitched about "misunderstanding simple English" and then managed to botch a very simple idiom. If you're going to be nitpick others then you'd better make sure you're not making any mistakes yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:06:12 2015 No.6433751 >>6431722 My girlfriend's brother is vegan and he's the most obese motherfucker I've ever met

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:07:19 2015 No.6433756 >>6433747 Did you read any of these? >>6433710 >>6433704 Come the fuck on. I swear, one of these days, retarded native speakers will be the death of me. I bet I understand English better than you, illiterate dunce.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:17:24 2015 No.6433785

>>6433751
Isn't this as simple as any other obesity-related thing?
>More calories in than out = weight gain.
>More calories out than in = weight loss.

How is this not universally understood? Granted, there are situations and genetic implications that also play a role, but in general, it's not enough that, if you actually pay attention to what you eat, AND lead a healthy lifestyle in other ways, you can become a landwhale from eating healthy. It just doesn't happen.

The formula is THIS easy:
>Eat food.
>Mostly vegetables.
>Not too much.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:21:18 2015 No.6433793

>>6433785
>How is this not universally understood?
Because it isn't fully correct. Weight cannot be (properly and accurately) viewed through a lens of thermodynamics, it isn't that simple and you don't tend to know enough about the system to quantify and predict.

A model of caloric intake - caloric expenditure = weight fluctuation just doesn't work.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:24:17 2015 No.6433802

>>6433793
Fair enough. I never understood why caloric burn value was the accepted norm of measuring nutrition anyways.

Is there really no better way of seeing how much nutrition a food gives through digestion to the average human? A log of wood has more burn value than a log of bread with the same weight (i would think) but the bread is digestible.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:24:46 2015 No.6433803

>>6433747
I'm not involved with the conversation, but I am a native speaker and never actually knew which it was.

The meaning is so similar I don't even see it as relevant. Seated actually seems more sensible as far as its typical use case. People don't tend to like talking about the bigger picture or longer spans of time, the notion of a seed being planted deeply and growing into what is seen on the surface is pretty insightful, abstract, and as arrogant as it sounds, not something I'm ought to give people credit for by default.

As far as I'm concerned, even native speakers likely believe it's "seated" as well, and somehow you've yet to realize you're in the minority.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:25:56 2015 No.6433806

>>6433785
>How is this not universally understood?

It *is* understood. The problem is the solution is unpopular: it means eating less (and/or exercising more). People are desperate for a "magic bullet", so they are prone to cling to silly fad diets, pills, "detoxes", and other nonsense.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:29:44 2015 No.6433815

I was a raw vegan for three months just to see if i could do it.

it wasn't really that much more expensive then normal, but i'm pretty thrifty so w/e. it was a huge time suck. the only benefit it had was being able to pull the raw vegan card, which was pretty great

otherwise its stupid

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:31:11 2015 No.6433818

>>6433627
>And habits can be hard to make, even though maintaining them is comparatively easy.
It's the start that's a bitch. Going from passive to active is a massive adjustment. Changing your diet is a perfect example. When I went vegan everything tasted like cardboard for the first three weeks until my taste adjusted. Then there were a ton of "what the fuck am I going to eat?" moments over the next couple months until my shopping and cooking grew to accommodate the new diet. Three years later it's so easy to maintain that I enjoy the few times a month when I veer from it, but do not pine for them. (I do choose carefully, though. I'm gonna remember the Lebanese lamb sausage sandwich with pickles and toum so garlicky it burned my mouth wrapped up in lavash bread that I ate on Saturday for a while. Then again, the curry noodles with tofu and veggies I just made for lunch were totally bomb as well).

In the end it's what you do that matters. Inactivity and passivity is what leads to poor health and depression. But once you're in an active pattern there's nothing that says you can't say, "Fuck it, today I'm going to be a lazy shit" every once in a while.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:31:47 2015 No.6433820

>>6433802
I wish there was a good way that had any real predictable accuracy. That's be a good question for a (good and knowledgeable) nutritionist. But as far as I could tell you, there isn't such a system devised.

You get all kinds of issues. Like you mentioned, digestion. It's difficult to know someone's gut flora ecology, how well respective transporters function to bring down nutrients that are broken down properly across the intestinal wall. Then there's a window of uncertainty as far as what nutrients re actually in the thing.

Then it gets in the body and you really lose it. What's their thyroid function like? Insulin sensitivity? Individual genetics, muscle fiber types? Being even intrinsic factors, it's been shown mice fed a controlled diet with certain pesticides added, will push a statistically significant amount more to adipose than controls on that same diet. So despite the same routines, the same diet, the same type of mouse (lab mice are very well defined as far as how they work), one group simply because of the presence of a pesticide gained weight around its midsection. Etc, list goes on.

The model would work if you had complete knowledge of all factors and the system (as well as its environment) at that exact. But that really isn't possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:33:06 2015 No.6433822 >>6433820 beyond even intrinsic factors*

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:42:14 2015 No.6433840

>>6433820
What do you mean by "more to adipose than controls"?

And yes, unless tricorders arrive (on the way soon, I know) there would be few ways to know for oneself other than a control test bearing in mind muscle tissue/fat ratio, degree of trained muscles to untrained tissue, digestive effectivity etc.

So many variables that are hard to account for, and in my experience, few doctors are willing to refer you to the specialists whose equipment could discover some of this.

>I've heard that there are things called "bod pods" that measure muscle/fat tissue and water contents pretty accurately without radiation exposure. I don't know who has such a service in my medium Norwegian town, however.

Read in "four hour body" (by that much touted "scam artist" Timothy Ferris) that as soon as you know more about your body, it becomes easier to flip switches for digestion rate etc than before. I haven't had the chance to test for myself, or see if any reputable sources (ie. actual nutrition laboratories) have replicated his experiments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 14:44:53 2015 No.6433850 >>6432913 RIP Hydrox. How dare you remind me you bastard.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:32:48 2015 No.6434371

>>6433261
>Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7]
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>>6433785
>How is this not universally understood?
Calories are not an SI unit, nor are they a non-SI unit approved for use with the SI. Try using joules or a multiple/submultiple thereof.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:26:16 2015 No.6434696 >>6434371 Calories have a definite value in joules, but the initial problem is that calories are a poor measurement of absorbed nutrition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:45:36 2015 No.6434970 >>6434696 >Calories have a definite value in joules There are at least seven calories, all with different values. Use joules to avoid confusion.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 02:10:32 2015 No.6435816
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I love animals and eat plenty of meat. I like to read all about an animal and then look into where to find it fresh. It makes me feel very close to the species I've chosen to study. Nothing feels livelier than learning to cook an animal you didn't know existed weeks or months before.

Also animals are fucking delicious. I'm completely against the idea of hurting them for amusement, but if it's a quick death and the creature in question is invasive, domesticated or in season, I have no quarrels with sacrificing them to improve the overall quality of other lives.

I don't like vegan diets not because I don't agree with their motives, but because I don't like to imagine people unable to derive pleasure from such basic things as lightly spiced, roasted meat. It's a beautiful thing.

That said, stop treating it like a mental illness. Just ignore the obnoxious ones.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 02:32:41 2015 No.6435856

Veganism is the epitome of first world privilege
especially raw vegans
>I have such a wide array to choose from
>I'm able to choose the diet that's actually much more expensive to maintain to keep healthy by giving myself supplements and a very large portion of very particular foods
>My chosen diet requires that my friends and family must heavily work around my diet, or that I have to exclude myself in a social activity by bringing my own food
>People should become vegan, meat is murder blah blah how can you eat meat?! Don't you know how much better vegan diets are? There's no reason for people not to be vegan!

inb4 people with severe dietary needs
inb4 "not all vegans are like this so this is invalid"
inb4 tumblr because I used the word privilege

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 02:45:06 2015 No.6435869

>>6435856
How is there not a wide array to choose from? Theres just as much on either end.

Eating vegan and healthy is cheap as fuck, without a supplement in sight no less. You could spend $60-$80 U.S. per week and have more than enough carbs, calories, essential fats and proteins as well as overall nutrients.

Friends and family could (should) give less than a shit if they actually give a damn about you. You don't like what is served? Bring something. You like what is being served? Enjoy.

Obviously you're going to have your reservations one way or another, but since when was it socially acceptable to loathe others for having a genuine care over health and ethics?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 02:46:50 2015 No.6435871 >>6435869 >since when was it socially acceptable to loathe others for having a genuine care over health and ethics? have you ever heard of a country called america have you ever heard of a website called 4chan

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 02:49:00 2015 No.6435880 >>6435871 I wish I had a rebuttal but unfortunately I have to agree with you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:06:19 2015 No.6435898 >>6433394 >The only vegan staples that are expensive Not true, because a cut of meat is like 3x more nutritious than any vegetable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:08:37 2015 No.6435901 >>6435898 Haha, this isn't April first, its the TWENTY-first, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:12:44 2015 No.6435906 >>6435869 >$60/week >cheap as fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:15:24 2015 No.6435911 >>6435901 Name a single vegetable with higher caloric density than any cut of meat.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:16:28 2015 No.6435913

didn't read the b8 thread, but i'll throw in my 2c, cuz whatever.

i have a lot of vegan friends. some of them are great cooks who love food, and a lot of them are shitty cooks who love french fries. i can talk to the former about food; the latter, it doesn't really matter. i mean, i end up eating a mostly vege diet anyway. i'm a little ambivalent about the animal suffering arguments with vegetarianism; having gross roided up chickens for their tits is one thing, but if you gotta grind up some chicks to get some egg laying hens, whatever. the environmental concerns are way more compelling in my opinion. we spend so much damn energy feeding animals to eat, holy balls.

i like fish more anyway. too bad the sea is being ravaged as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:20:59 2015 No.6435929 >>6435911 economically, the meat is far less efficient, and nutritionally it doesn't matter. if meat's cheaper it's only because of wonky subsidies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:23:00 2015 No.6435933 File: 1.22 MB, 1338x594, Yep.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6435911 Dates

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:27:05 2015 No.6435938 >>6435933 >vegetable Not that that anon was ridiculous for claiming you can't get plenty of calories from plants.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:27:19 2015 No.6435941

>>6435929
That assumes you're only buying expensive cuts of beef or duck.

Certain cuts of pork, chicken and fish etc. are far cheaper in a money:calorie perspective calorie than any vegetable except rice.
>>6435933
Might as well just buy a bag of sugar tbh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:28:05 2015 No.6435943 >>6435938 wasn't*

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:31:50 2015 No.6435949

>>6435938
I'm assuming when he said vegetable he was referring to plant foods as a whole, seeing as how the majority of vegans eat both, why would I be limited to just those that are classified as "vegetables"?

>>6435941
Backpedaling, and dates are incredibly healthy, more potassium than bananas by weight. But most people are afraid of sugar/carbohydrates.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:32:25 2015 No.6435951

>>6435941
no, you're assuming purchasing meat produced with subsidized animal feed. if you can make meat that has a higher caloric content than the vegetables they consume, you should figure out a way to burn those animals for fuel, because then you'd be rich as fuck.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:32:42 2015 No.6435952

>>6435869
$60-$80 a week isn't cheap/cheaper for one person
That would last me 2 weeks as long as I'm not buying the most expensive fruits or cuts of meat.
By eating meat and animal products I also don't have to eat a large quantity to reach a good nutritional intake(not just caloric).

Even being vegetarian has a way wider variety just because of the inclusion of actual eggs and cheese.
Vegan variants are fine, I eat vegan food, I'm actually fond of that bean/soy brick thing that gets lathered in gravy. There's literally no good reason as someone who can afford food to limit their diet that much excluding medical reasons such as allergies or bowel issues.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:33:14 2015 No.6435953 >>6433850 >you bastard Thank you! My day is complete. :-)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:35:30 2015 No.6435958 >>6433736 Just to let people know this isnt true Look up difference between diabetic ketoacidosis and dietary ketosis

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:36:52 2015 No.6435961 >>6435951 Well, it's still cheaper for me as a consumer and that's all I give a shit about tbh. >>6435949 Just saying I'd rather have a steak than a bunch of dates, as far as nutrition goes. I'm not afraid of sugars themselves at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:38:30 2015 No.6435965 >>6435961 spoken like a true cog in the machine

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:40:05 2015 No.6435968 >>6435965 It's so much better to pay 2-3 times as much for "ethical" food, right? Makes you real enlightened.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:43:13 2015 No.6435971

>>6435952
It sure as hell is cheap if you have a higher caloric ceiling, I'm talking 3-5k per day, active, not 1500-2000 sedentary.
And I would like to see a grocery list of someone eating a SAD with only $60-$80, for apparently 2 weeks and not be in starvation ranges. I don't skimp out on any fruits or vegetables for groceries.
You wouldn't have to eat a large quantity eating fruits and vegetables either to reach those goals wtf?

Not eating animal products isn't some burden, at least not for me. I don't ever think about consuming those things, not because of some level of morals or taste, but I simply find it genuinely gross, and wouldn't want those things anywhere near my mouth, let alone in my body. I don't miss it at all, how much variety is really enough? It's more often than not subjective, and more variety doesn't translate into good anymore than not including a pile of shit or vomit to increase overall variety.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:52:13 2015 No.6435978

>>6435968
what do you mean by eat "ethical" food? and where do you get the "2-3x" from? that seems like a non-sequitur.

in any case, my point was that "all I give a shit about" consumers are simply pandering to an industrial complex that definitely doesn't have their consumer or society interests at mind whatsoever.

i'm hardly your militant vegan friend, but i can't help but think about an outbreak of some of god knows what antibiotic resistant disease every time i eat some popeyes chicken. but at least i own it. this stuff doesn't come from nowhere, as much as the magic packaging might imply.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:56:21 2015 No.6435989

>>6435978
If I were to switch to a purely vegan diet, I'd end up paying at least 2-3x what I usually pay (and I do buy quite a lot of veg/grains already) for my groceries to supplement the lack of dairy and meat (unless I subjected myself to eating ungodly amounts of rice and beans everyday).

I also never buy fast food (as that would also be too expensive), with the exception of a few vegetables, it's all local food.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:05:16 2015 No.6436006

>>6435989
i'd wager you'd end up spending about the same or less on a vegan diet (in spite of heavily subsidized corn feed). but unless we're bumping spreadsheet's it's all conjecture, so whatever. i was mostly taking issue with your seeming assertion that meat is more economical (in a social sense) than vegetables, which is outright impossible.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:09:44 2015 No.6436011

>>6435971
Honestly it's going to take me too long to list my usually grocery list and the individual pricing in my area. Personally when I'm cooking for myself I eat a lot of oatmeal, smoothies, stir fry, curry, sandwiches, yogurt, pancakes (though I do what I can to add nutritional value in the batter), pasta dishes and egg dishes.

I can easily spend about $50/week seeing as bulk bags of oats, flour, rice, potatoes, and cheese go a long way and can last a while.

I don't need that many calories, but it's really really easy to add them in with eggs, dairy products, and meat.
>smoothie made with a yogurt base
>large omlette
>Sandwiches easily can have extra calories
etc

It's really not that difficult with animal products included with all of the veggies and fruits.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:11:04 2015 No.6436013 >>6436011 Also eggs are cheap as balls. Having meat in your diet doesn't mean eating meat as the majority of the meal all the time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:27:54 2015 No.6436057 >>6431722 Veganism is like the ideal diet for people training for heavy cardio shit though like a triathlon or centurion.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:30:44 2015 No.6436066

>>6436013

eggs are $4.99/12 where I live for the cheapest, crappiest chain-store bought eggs you can find

That's still not expensive relative to the cost of fish or any cut of meat that isn't godawful, but that's absolutely not cheap as balls. Granted this probably varies greatly in different areas.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:40:01 2015 No.6436092

>>6436066
Eggs where I live are about $2.50 CAD/12
$5 eggs would be the "organic" eggs.

I don't remember them being much more expensive across the border.
Strawberries were fucking cheap in WA(don't remember which city, it's before Seattle).

You can make any cut of meat good if you use it properly. You wouldn't serve a flank steak by itself like a roast beef dinner.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:57:04 2015 No.6436118 >>6436057 Truth, especially high carb intake

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:01:01 2015 No.6436123 >>6436057 Cite some well performing vegan athletes or gtfo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:02:43 2015 No.6436127 >>6436123 Tony Gonzalez is the only one I can think of.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:15:58 2015 No.6436142

>>6436123
Coming from a vegan on here I can tell you that you're not likely to find many. Not because it isn't viable, but because the majority don't want to stop eating animal products. Any top level athlete is on mad gear anyways so they can get away with the low levels of meat and dairy they consume. Cyclists especially follow a high carb plant based diet, with smidgens of meat and dairy mixed in.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 08:27:24 2015 No.6436407

>>6436142
What would you recommend to get enough nutrition for heavy workouts? Grains + Legumes I've heard cover most of necessary proteins, but what else? Also, having to take B12 shots because no sad cow seems dumb to me, if you can avoid it by eating just a tiny bit of meat.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 13:26:56 2015 No.6436958

>>6435958

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/blood-glucose/ketosis.html

>high levels of ketosis in the short term can be serious and the long term effects of regular moderate ketosis are only partially known at the moment.
>General advice is to keep ketones levels low to prevent any risk of organ damage, particularly to the kidneys and liver.
>A state of ketosis is a fairly common result of going onto a low carbohydrate diet.
>As indicated above, there is no particular ketone level that has been regarded as safe over the long term.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 13:55:28 2015 No.6437024

>>6435816

>I'm completely against the idea of hurting them for amusement
> I don't like to imagine people unable to derive pleasure from such basic things as lightly spiced, roasted meat. It's a beautiful thing.

Doesn't that sound kind of hypocritical? You like animals, but you also kill them. You're against harming animals for amusement, but you harm them because their flavor amuses you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 14:12:43 2015 No.6437062 >>6433580 kek

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:14:49 2015 No.6437226

>>6436958
Hey, >>6433736 here. I regard low carb diets as much a fad as any of the other diet trends that come and go. The same goes for the so called "paleo" diet, where processing food is bad, and as raw as possible is good.

What I never got about neither raw diets nor the paleo bunch, is how they think we cook food for fun. Most of the nutrition in bread comes from how the loaf acts as a pressure and temperature cooker in itself, unlocking proteins that were previously completely unavailable.

The same goes for many vegetables. Unless you cook them, at least for a little while, you really aren't getting all the nutrients you could, and you'll eat more veggies than you have to, thus placing an unnecessarily large load on the ecosystem compared with... Just cooking your damn food.

Also, low carb gives you awful poop.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:19:21 2015 No.6437235 >>6433070 We use animal products for fucking everything you can imagine; from fire extinguishers to medicine, wall papers to buttons, shapoo to plastic bags, there are thousands upon thousands of things that animals are used for, it's insane

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:21:28 2015 No.6437242

>>6437226
it has to do with people taking things that are originally a good idea, but then getting carried away and taking it to an absurd extreme.

for example, in the case of "paleo": the original concept was something like this:
>hey, this modern diet with all sorts of processed foods and artificial stuff seems to be unhealthy. Let's take a step back and focus on more natural/traditional foods

That is pretty reasonable. On the other hand, taking it to such a degree that you eschew cooking, or only eat very specific foods in specific proportions "just like cavemen did" is silly, and is missing the point.

Avoiding or reducing the amount of processed or artificial food in one's diet is a great idea. But that doesn't mean you have to go crazy with it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:23:38 2015 No.6437248 >>6431722 >Veganism is for people who're in denial about being anorexic because society tells them they need to be fit all the time. Everything about this statement is incorrect. OP, you are an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:34:09 2015 No.6437263 lol i'm a vegan and i eat 1800 cals a day i've lost 60 pounds since i went vegan last summer. feel really good. you're wrong OP.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:37:13 2015 No.6437272

>>6437263

so what you're saying is that you reduced your calorie intake, and as a result you lost weight?

Wow, stop the presses!

Anyway, scarcasm aside, you can lose weight on any diet so long as you consume fewer calories than you burn. It works even if you eat the worst "food" imaginable. Google "twinkie professor" for example: guy ate nothing but junk food and sodas, yet still lost weight like crazy simply by cutting calories.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:42:50 2015 No.6437283 >>6437272 no i'm eating the same amount of calories as i did before. your body processes foods differently fagtron i was just pointing out i eat 1800 cals a day because op said veganism was an excuse for anorexia

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:44:05 2015 No.6437286 >>6437283 >your body processes foods differently >things jizzmops believe

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:45:28 2015 No.6437289

>>6437226

I've never seen paleo treated as a raw food style diet. Paleo people don't avoid bread because it's heated, they avoid it because it's made of grain, which they believe isn't meant to be eaten by humans because it's a more recent addition to the human diet than things like tubers, vegetables, meats, nuts, and fruits. It makes enough sense on paper that people fall for the concept without giving it much thought. Meanwhile, the modern science we've developed to study diet and health says that high meat diets are terrible and grains (atleast in their unrefined form) are some of the best foods we can eat.

This is a good video that addresses the claim that humans began eating grains too recently to be adapted to eating them. If even a fraction of the people who fell for the paleo diet idea watched this video or the other videos in its series, the fad would have died long ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GD_9UXHg_k

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:45:33 2015 No.6437290 >>6437286 lol are you really trying to say that eating 2000 cals in sugar and 2000 cals in vegetables isn't different?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:46:35 2015 No.6437297 >>6437290 not him but in terms of weight loss/gain it's not of fucking course there's a difference in terms of nutrient density

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:46:38 2015 No.6437298

>>6437283
>your body processes foods differently fagtron

Yes, but calorie counts already take that into account. They are called "atwater factors". Google if you don't understand.

1800 cals a day is a pretty low amount. it's a figure commonly recommended for weight-loss diets. it's not suprising that you lost weight on it.

>>because op said veganism was an excuse for anorexia

And you thought OP was being 100% serious about that, and thus was worthy of a reply? lol.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:49:21 2015 No.6437307

>>6437283
Without knowing how rigorously you monitored your intake before, there's no way for us to measure the efficacy of your statement.

In most cases, getting used to counting calories can be enough to lose weight, and when you eat vegan, it's a normal side effect. besides, veggies are healthier than red meat by default, so good on you anyways!

>>6437289
Yeah, that sounds closer. I never gave any of these diets much attention apart from the initial assessment. I don't really get where the proponents get their data from, how can they evaluate whether food from 10.000 years ago is more or less healthy than food from 20.000 years ago? I highly doubt there is more historical data on obesity, heart/lung disease, infarctions etc. than there is on economy and societal structure, and we're struggling to make sense of ancient civilisations already. Who falls for this without thinking about it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:51:30 2015 No.6437311 Vegan desserts are decent, but Vegan food just makes me wish for death. Rather an hero than go vegan.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 15:52:05 2015 No.6437312

>>6437298
yeah i eat a low amount of cals because i don't exercise a lot and i'm pretty small. thanks for the info. will look up.
and i did think OP was being serious because a lot of people say that about veganism and it's irritating.
>>6437307
thanks anon

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 16:06:41 2015 No.6437344
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>>6437307

>Who falls for this without thinking about it?

People who are overweight and desperate for a solution. Paleo also commonly pairs up with crossfit for marketing to target insecure 20-somethings that want to think eating lots of steak, avoiding oatmeal, and kipping their pull-ups will make them tough manly men in peak physicial condition.

To be fair, both paleo and crossfit are better than the standard american diet and being sedentary. Some people need a gimmick to get interested in even basic diet and exercise principles. It's unfortunate that it ends up fucking people over who are actually interested in this stuff though, because the fads and gimmicks are so widespread that even people outside of those diet circles start taking their stuff as fact.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 16:17:11 2015 No.6437368 >>6437344 That looks like a great way to snap your tendons!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 16:51:30 2015 No.6437470 >>6431722 Turns out that most people have a mental disorder waiting to be diagnosed and medicated: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-21/if-you-question-authority-you-are-mentally-ill-report-finds

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 17:10:59 2015 No.6437517 >>6437470 Feck.

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