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Sup /ck/. Im currently in Vienna, and i need to buy some wine for two female friends that have birthday soon. What kind of wine would be appropriate to give someone for birthday? (They asked for wine, im not a wine person)

>> No.6351173

French wine

>> No.6351181

>>6351171
flunitrazepam, possibly dissolved in the wine.

>> No.6351210

>>6351181
Lol'd

>>6351173
Is it a general rule of thumb? Got a few people excited because of 'lambrusco' white wine, which is italian according to google. Im kinda torn between some red wine or that lambrusco.

>> No.6351212

If you're drinking it immediately... ask what they like, since you honestly have no idea. If they know what they want, they'll give you a region/style/chateau for you to work with.

If they say "something sweet", buy a bottle of Sauternes, Tawny Port, or Canadian Icewine.

If they say "anything but sweet", your shit out of luck. Buy a bottle of Bordeaux.

>> No.6351219

>>6351212
I fucking hate pepole that don't understand that wine sweet isn't the same thing as sugary.

>> No.6351223

>>6351212
It's 99% sure they want something sweet

>> No.6351228

>>6351223
The ones anon listed are dessert wines, sugary as hell. You do not drink them with a meal (before or after, but not during).

When buying wove and you don't know someone's tastes but know they do like wine, you can never go wrong with a decent chardonnay. No matter what other kind of wine someone drinks, they will also drink chards.

>> No.6351239

>>6351212
>Icewine
GOAT dessert drink. Port is fine too.

Lived right next to the Rhine river valley, so much delicieux neuer wein in spring and eiswein in autumn.

>> No.6351253

>>6351239

Too bad it costs an arm and leg to drink.

In Ontario, it $20 for the cheapest 200ml bottle. Icewine must be extreme expensive outside of their native regions.

>> No.6351258

>>6351253
In the southeast US, the price fluctuates a lot. I've got good ice wines for around 8 bucks for 200ml, and I've seen shitty ones for twice that.

>> No.6351264

>>6351253
The most I've paid was 35€ for a 375mL bottle. It was worth it. Like drinking a boozy raisin after a big Greek meal.

>> No.6351292

>>6351258

The price fluctuates depending on the season; some years, we get the normal slowly descending to -30c, so the production volume is high.

These last few years, it hit -30c immediately in November and stayed there until mid March, so they had a bunch of frozen ice balls to work with rather than frozen grapes.

But $8 sounds about right since you guys aren't paying a huge tax on top.

>> No.6351505

Any more wine sugestions?

>> No.6351514

>>6351505
Get some Italian wine

>> No.6351639

>>6351171
What's with the incessant "need to impress grill, wut wine is gud" threads this week?

>>6351210
Lambrusco is red...

>> No.6351642

>>6351219
What's your defect?

>> No.6351687

The most exciting wine I've found so far is that Hungarian Tokaji shit. Really sweet, golden dessert wine. Everyone I've introduced it to walks away impressed.

>> No.6351694

>>6351228
Has the ABC disease not infected Europeans? Must be because of AOC laws. Imagine that. The free market actually just shits things up for everyone.

>> No.6351722

>>6351642
That sweet when referring to a wine means something entirely different from sugary. A cabernet sauvignon is a sweet wine. It does not taste like a sugary raisin.

>> No.6351724

>>6351722
This must be a translation issue. There is no way you're a native English speaker

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6354187

Dun good?

>> No.6354244

>>6351724
Please tell me that you're trolling.
The word "sweet", in reference to a wine, is opposed by the word dry (this is actually similar to gins). It has nothing to do with the amount of sugar in the final product and refers to the...boldness of the wine. Reds are sweeter wines than whites.
Whites are drier than reds.
Cabernet savignon is sweeter than merlot. Pinot noir is drier than merlot. Pinot grigio is drier than pinot noir.

Icewines and most fortified wines (like ports and sherries) are sugary sweet, but you still have the same wine "sweetness/dryness" scale in play (a red port is sweeter than a tawny port).

>> No.6354245

>>6354187
Austrian garbage. Not even red.

>> No.6354251

Temperanillo or merlot are like entry level red wines. Even a $4 bottle is not totally revolting

>> No.6354311

>>6354245
>>6354245
The place i bought wine had -20% on everything so there weren't much choice + wanted to buy something Austrian as i am there. Any wine suggestions left? Might go somewhere else and buy a third bottle.

>> No.6354490

>>6354311
>wine for two female friends that have birthday soon
Billecart-Salmon Rosé for £60 would be a nice gift

>> No.6354498

>>6354244
>Please tell me that you're trolling.
I noticed you haven't actually answered my question about your native language.

>The word "sweet", in reference to a wine, is opposed by the word dry
Sort of true. English speakers with an interest in wine are careful in their use of those terms because they can mean different things. Which is why I assumed you were not an English speaker. But perhaps you're just mainly accustomed to drinking bum wine, so I'll spell this out for you:
1. Sweetness is sometimes a classification (a wine meant to have high residual sugar), but sometimes is meant in a derogatory way (absence of a balancing trait such as acidity, alcohol, or tannins, whether or not meant to have high RS)
2. Dry can be the relative ABV, or high tannins or low RS, or some combination of these
3. Since sugar is converted to alcohol during fermentation, occasionally by tradition "dry" and "sweet" are used as to imply poles on a scale, although chaptalization and fortification make things more complicated

> (this is actually similar to gins)
You're confusing classifications of gin which are essentially proper names at this point ("london dry", "new american dry", etc). In the distant past, the dry was a reference to the relatively higher ABV of london style, although additionally london dry (along with some styles of gin that do not have the word "dry" in them) also could be contrasted with gins that are supposed to have sugar (and hence taste sweeter) such as sloe, but which also have lower ABV

>Reds are sweeter wines than whites.
>Whites are drier than reds.
No, and no. What language is your mother tongue?

>Cabernet savignon is sweeter than merlot. Pinot noir is drier than merlot. Pinot grigio is drier than pinot noir.
Please stop abusing English.

>Icewines and most fortified wines (like ports and sherries) are sugary sweet,
Only a few kinds of sherry are sweet on the palate - not coincidentally, these are the ones you'll most likely find at a gas station.

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>>6351722
>A cabernet sauvignon is a sweet wine

>> No.6354774

and this is why I've given up on wine threads.

See ya'll in a few months

>> No.6354777

>>6354774
Noooo!

>> No.6354798

>>6354774
RIP in peace

>> No.6356160

What makes fermented grape juice different from other fermented fruit juice?

>> No.6356192

cider>wine>beer

>> No.6356193

>>6356160
The grape stuff is made from grapes. Fermented blueberry juice is made from blueberries.

There are some really good wines made from all kinds of berries, but they're less common and tend to be expensive for whatever reason. People bitch about wine being expensive? One of my favorite blueberry wines is like $35 a bottle before shipping. Nice to try, but you can get really good grape wine for much less, at the local store.

>> No.6356275

>>6351687
Oh wow, thanks anon. I had read about this Tokaji wine before but I had completely forgotten what it was called.

>> No.6356321

>>6354244
My nephew works at a vineyard. You've got it ass backwards.

Fun fact: The overwhelming majority of reds are "young" reds and are meant to be consumed within 1-3 years. The darker and heavier a bottle of red is, the longer it can be aged. The darker bottles are 3-7 years, and some are 10+ years.

White wines are meant to be consumed within a year, as these lack the tannins of red wine and therefore do not benefit from the preservative function the tannins serve.

>> No.6356356

>>6351212

>OP is in Vienna
>anon suggests fucking CANADIAN wine

you are now aware that Austria has fucking delicious dessert wines and if that won't do, Germany does, and if that won't do, fucking Hungary is next door, home of the #2 all-time GOAT sweet wine (Royal Tokaji Essencia, second only to D'Yquem in my book)

>> No.6356368

Are you bringing wine back from a vacation in Vienna or do you all live in Vienna? If the former, you might want to grab something hard to find elsewhere like a Blaufrankish.

>> No.6356424

>>6351171
What a lucky bastard you are. What brings you to Vienna? I haven't been there, but I know a person who went there (abroad I think) and liked it so much they decided to live there.

>> No.6356508

>>6356356
He was super condescending about it too. I love how I can shitpost here but the drawback is that everyone else can too.