Pizza

[Anonymous No.6302665]

>Italians over the centuries have pioneered laws to control the origins and protect the "particular reputation and worth" of foods under what is known as "denominazione di origine controllata". Food which passes the review board and adheres to the rules is given the initials D.O.C. DOC pizza is governed by a Neopolitan member of The Association of Pizzaioli Europei called the Association of Vera Pizza Napoletana or "The Association of True Neopolitan Pizza".

>Their ten rules for pizza are as follows:
>1. Pizza dough must be made with flour, water, yeast and salt only. No additives such as oil, fat, sugar or milk are allowed.
>2. Pizza must be no greater than 30 cm. (12 inches)
>3. Dough should not be heated by the mixing process. (slow electrical mixers or hand mixing only)
>4. Dough must be hand stretched, no rollers or presses.
>5. The oven must be made of refractory material such as brick or castable refractory and fired with wood.
>6. The pizza must be cooked on the floor of the oven (no pans).
>7. Pizza must be cooked at 400 degrees C or higher. (750 degrees F)
>8. Pizza should be well done, fragrant, with the cornicione (border) high and soft. Pizza should not be crusty.
>9. Four styles are well defined:
>Marinara : tomato, oregano, olive oil, salt
>Margherita : tomato, mozzarella, olive oil, garlic, basil, salt
>Al Formaggio : parmesan, lard, garlic, basil, salt
>Calzone : ricotta, salami, olive oil, salt
>10. Variations on the four styles are allowed as long as they are in good taste and do not violate other culinary rules or regulations.

Opinions? What do you deem too strict? What should maybe even be stricter?

Try your hardest and stay calm and on topic.

[Anonymous No.6302751]

I'm ok with this. It makes it much easier to figure out what you like and dislike. There are enough letters in the alphabet that we can come up with names for whatever we want, but it makes it very confusing when any jackass can call a tomato-bread combo "neopolitan style pizza" and consumers lose.

Easy example: the Cronut. I've had a good half dozen knockoff "cronuts" and three actual cronuts from Dominique Ansel. The knockoffs don't have a texture or flavor remotely approximating Ansel's version and yet, you have people in Iowa and Texas and the Florida Panhandle having strong opinions on "cronuts". How is this possible? Of course, it is not.

Or take cheese for instance. Raw milk camembert is essentially unheard of in the United States? Why? That's a subject for another thread but it boils down to entrenched industrial dairy interests in Wisconsin and other such places who don't want to put in the more costly, albeit well-understood steps that it takes to ensure the safety of raw milk cheese. So they get the FDA to ban it. And yet, millions of Americans (the majority of whom lack passports) think they have an opinion on camembert and brie... of course, this is impossible.

Last example: wine. California is notorious for making a pink, sweet, awful tasting thing they call "chablis wine". It has utterly ruined the reputation of chablis in the western US for an entire generation, such that if you mention having a chablis in polite company you get looks of horror all around. Of course, "the free market" should take care of this, and educated wine drinkers understand what to buy and what not to buy, but guess who loses? That's right. The average consumer.

Free market fundamentalists will shriek with moral outrage over the "nanny state" but hey check this out: some people actually DO know what's best for you. Pic extremely related, enjoy your "grass roots" advocacy paid for by multi-billion-dollar multinationals pushing garbage down your willing throats.

[Anonymous No.6302803]

>>6302665
>Italy
>pizza
Nah bro

[Anonymous No.6302809]

i see nothing wrong with it as long as the protected designation isn't supposed to give the impression of inherent superiority to other kinds of pizza.

[Anonymous No.6302815]

>>6302751

I totally agree, honestly. Some things should be unregulated, but with guidelines- as in no type of culinary trade is outright banned, because there *IS* a way to do it without giving everyone who touches it a bout of IBS. Also, when there's a certain type of wine, it should have guidelines.

However, banning a type of food, or a form of ingredient because stupidity can result in problems is tantamount to sin.

[2nd Cumming of Hitler No.6302829]

>>6302665
Why do you force yourself to eat fermented spinach?
How can the FDA allow this?

[Anonymous No.6302846]

typical socialist hyper regulated bullshit

Its funny how they are trying to commandeer a product america perfected and brought to international prominence

[Anonymous No.6302849]

>>6302829
>15%

flyover scum pls go

[Anonymous No.6302851]

yeah well.. Rome was particularly cruel and viscous, much like 'merica, now.. it's just stuff on flat bread. get a grip

[Anonymous No.6302859]

>>6302665
>Pizza must be cooked at 400 degrees C or higher. (750 degrees F)
well they got one right at least

[Anonymous No.6302861]

make all the rules you want, I'm sure pizza that follows them is delicious, and for me, pizza that breaks them is delicious too. Similar to German purity laws about beer. I love German beer, my favorites are all German or a German style made by an American brewery. When I drink non-German beers, or the American made ones, they still taste delicious, even though they violate German purity laws.

[Anonymous No.6302865]

>>6302861
yeah, by all accounts reinheitsgebot is the reason German beer is so much worse than Belgian and American beer now

[Anonymous No.6302867]

>>6302665

>Pizzas not made in Neopolitan style are not Neopolitan style pizzas

Completely earth shattering. 500 posts here we come.

[Anonymous No.6302890]

>>6302865
Belgian beer: rotten bananas and band aids, fruit fly bait at best
American beer: bacon and naga jolokia peppers with over 9000 IBU that will literally GANG RAPE YOUR MOUTH TO DEATH EPIC!!!!!!
German beer: actually tastes like beer, balanced malts and refined hop aromas and flavors

Yeah, nope. More =\= better

[Anonymous No.6302899]

>>6302829
>FDA
>Italy
Choose one retard
(it's basil btw, mong-child)

[Anonymous No.6302904]

>>6302665
It's association made to preserve food history
That's rules for genuine Neopolitan pizza so that any chump can't go claiming they are making Neopolitan pizza and eventually disregard the historical origins.
It's like 'texan chili' and some other style chili thing, they want to distance themselves from the other recipes to preserve the food and it's cultural significance.

[wat !A9aM56sYi2 No.6302905]

>>6302665
>Pizza should not be crusty.
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.6302908]

>>6302905

>Neopolitan pizza should not be crusty

It doesn't mention any other types of pizza. What's the problem?

[Anonymous No.6302911]

>>6302905

i don't really understand what they mean by that. i guess they mean the crust shouldn't be crisp and dense. the crust of neapolitan pizzas is fucking great though

[Anonymous No.6302916]

>>6302899
>taking the bait

[Anonymous No.6302934]

>>6302890
>bacon and naga jolokia peppers with over 9000 IBU
have you literally never been to america?

[Anonymous No.6302938]

>>6302934
>if someone likes German beer they must be a commie-loving foreigner

This is what people from flyover land actually believe!

[Anonymous No.6302939]

>>6302890
>balanced malts and refined hop
more like malt balanced with extra water and as little hops as possible

[Anonymous No.6302946]

>>6302938
liking german beer is completely fine, thinking germany makes better beer than Belgium or America just shows ignorance

hell, they don't even do lagers as well as the Czechs

[Anonymous No.6302947]

>>6302939
Hello, hop head. When was the last time you shampooed your neckbeard?

[Anonymous No.6302950]

>>6302946

More =\= better

But Czech lager is fine too

Enjoy your hot sauce^H^H^H^H^H"craft" beer (as opposed to just, I dunno, "beer", like it's always been called?)

[Anonymous No.6302958]

>>6302947
I am more of a stout guy, but IPA is good

[Anonymous No.6302960]

>>6302950
>More =\= better
it is when you have German brewers minimizing hops and maximizing water to increase profit

By your logic Bud Light is the worlds best beer

[Anonymous No.6302965]

>>6302946
>>6302950
You're both wrong. There's more to American beer than high IBU IPAs and Germany makes certain styles better than America and Belgium.

[Anonymous No.6302971]

>>6302965
>Germany makes certain styles better than America and Belgium.
sure, a small number

but the topic was who makes the best beer, not who makes the best of a couple specific styles

Having said that there re almost no styles where germany is clear cut ahead, and only a few where they are arguably the best

[Anonymous No.6302972]

>>6302960
>muh munny's worth!

You're one of those people who shits himself with rage when they see a picture of a plate from a nice restaurant and you can actually see some of the surface of the plate, aren't you.

Here, have some trigger material.

>oh my god what if the next plate doesn't come? I might die because Real Men like me require 7,500 kcal per day!

This is what would actually go through your mind if you ever went to a place like that.

[Anonymous No.6302978]

>>6302972
let me guess, you think vaccines cause autism

I don't understand why you stand by brewers making outdated recipes from a time before we could afford better

[Anonymous No.6302980]

>>6302890
I really doubt you drank belgium or american beers m8.
Or beer for that matter
Or you're a German beer shill..

[Anonymous No.6302982]

>>6302978

Oh boy here we go. We were talking about board material until you got assmad because I described you perfectly.

I bet you think the earth was literally created 4,000 years ago and Jesus spoke early modern english because that's what's in the king james bible. I bet your parents are first cousins. Let me guess you call the civil war "the war of Northern Aggression"

We done now? Can we at least stick to food and cooking?

[Anonymous No.6302984]

>>6302971
Well the styles that Germany has perfected are the most common styles of beer. The styles Belgium has perfected are more niche and the best American styles are either copies of established styles or too experimental to have a legacy yet.

If I was to only have one kind of beer for the rest of my life it would probably be a German or British brand. If I had to pick a country to drink from it'd be a tossup between Belgium and America.

[Anonymous No.6302986]

>2015
>anyone still making their own/ordering pizzas when these are available

sigh

[Anonymous No.6302987]

>>6302982
>off topic shit posting is fine as long as it is vaguely board related
solid logic

[Anonymous No.6302991]

>>6302984
>If I was to only have one kind of beer for the rest of my life it would probably be a German or British brand
Thats crazy

Have you not really tried any american beer?

[Anonymous No.6302994]

>>6302986
aww shit yeah, dr. oetker master-race

[Anonymous No.6302995]

>>6302991
>>6302991
>if someone disagrees with me they must be lying

Get out of your basement more, neckbeard. People in real life have different opinions because they're OPINIONS.

>>6302987

Considering that this was about pizza, until you brought up >muh craft brews, you should either follow your own advice or deal with getting BTFO.

[Anonymous No.6302999]

>>6302986
Can't even argue, Dr Oetker pizzas are fucking immense.

[Anonymous No.6303001]

>>6302995
I don't think you are lying, I think you haven't tried many different beers

[Anonymous No.6303004]

>>6303001
I know him in rl and can confirm he hasn't.

[Anonymous No.6303007]

>>6303001

I'm not the guy you're arguing with. Well, I'm not the guy who you immediately replied to in any case. I am just another person who prefers central european style beers to fruit fly bait and bacon DIPA. If it makes you feel any better there are American breweries making balanced beers that I enjoy, and I do buy them, but they are based on old world styles.

[Anonymous No.6303009]

>Implying he's not payoff off

[Anonymous No.6303010]

>>6303007
Where did you get this idea that american beer has bacon in it? I think I have only tried one such beer ever

[Anonymous No.6303016]

>>6303007
>but they are based on old world styles.
America was settled by old world people

Its silly to discount americans making the best examples of most styles of beer simply because the styles are based on recipes that predate america. American craft brewing has revived all sorts of old styles that central europe's stagnant market killed long ago as they marched toward homogenization.
Plus american farmers have engineered a lot of excellent hop varieties that simply were not available until recently. New Zealand and Australia have gotten in on this too, its a shame europe has not

[Anonymous No.6303017]

But what about the ranch?

[Anonymous No.6303021]

>>6303010
It's called hyperbole for comic effect, welcome to 4chan.
>>6303016
>new is always better
Americans got tired of the "new improved" wine styles that got popular in the 1990s. The same will happen with beer. Do you imagine that Germans never experimented with using lots of hops? It never occurred to them once? Please.

[Anonymous No.6303024]

>>6303021
I'm sure it never did occur to them. To this day they make shitty kimch- I mean, sauerkraut.

[Anonymous No.6303027]

>>6303024
>sauerkraut is icky

Why am I not surprised.

You probably think sauerkrat is cabbage marinated in vinegar too...

[Anonymous No.6303047]

>>6303027
It's lacto-fermented faggot. Just like PROPER kimchi.

[Anonymous No.6303078]

>>6303021
>Do you imagine that Germans never experimented with using lots of hops
it was never commercially viable to do such a thing until recently. Plus german hop varieties don't make good IPAs

[Anonymous No.6303080]

>>6303027
>cabbage marinated in vinegar
that stuff is pretty good

[Anonymous No.6303419]

Pizza is pig disgusting anyway

[Anonymous No.6303548]

>>6302986
How do they make frozen pizzas so good.

[Anonymous No.6303623]

I fucking hate pizza.Also Greek food>italian

[Anonymous No.6303728]

>>6302999
>>6302986
>>6302994
>>6303548
Is this a fucking joke? I've had my fair share of these but never once did I think "wow these are delicious and amazing". I always feel like shit after eating one. They are decent and cheap, but far from deserving that much praise.

[Anonymous No.6304481]

>>6302946
American beer doesn't come close to Belgian, Czech or German.

[Anonymous No.6305658]

>>6303728
I guess to other brands of frozen pizzas they are pretty good. Since when did they become a thing outside Germany? They've been around for as long as I've lived.

I wonder if the Ofenfrische line of pizzas are available in other countries too, because I like them even better.

[Anonymous No.6305684]

>>6302665

your forgot

>10. Ally with Nazis in WWII

[Anonymous No.6305695]

All those rules and they still suck at pizza

[Anonymous No.6305696]

>>6302665

Italian pizzas are great so I'd say they're doing something right with those rules.

[Anonymous No.6305700]

>>6305658
We have them in The Netherlands, but they're called Casa Di Mama here.

[Anonymous No.6305705]

>>6305700
Got that in Canada too, they also sell Ristorante here.

Casi di Mama has a better crust I find.

[Anonymous No.6305711]

>>6305684
>then defect... again

[Anonymous No.6305725]

[Anonymous No.6305728]

>>6302890
>tried an american-brewed "belgian-style" beer
look at the pleb

[Anonymous No.6305795]

>>6303728
Pic related with topping of choice is my go-to frozen pizza choice.
I don't care much for other brands, I'd rather get one delivered or make my own.

[Anonymous No.6305825]

>>6305728
>implying Americans cant make better belgian beer than belgians

We do.