/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.5506881]

>The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an executive decree banning the centuries old practice of aging cheese on wooden boards. One bureaucrat within the FDA, without surveying all of the scientific literature, and without public commentary, has rattled hundreds of small businesses across the United States. Consumers who eat any kind of aged cheese should prepare for a potentially catastrophic disruption in the market for artisan, non-processed cheese.

The FDA’s decision will not only harm American cheese makers, but may also bring a halt to the importation of artisan cheeses from abroad as Canadian and European Union regulators have not imposed such draconian measures and still allow for the use of wood boards to age cheese.

...shit?

[Anonymous No.5506884]

link to article

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorymcneal/2014/06/09/fda-may-destroy-american-artisan-cheese-industry/

[Anonymous No.5506885]

What the FUCK?

[Anonymous No.5506888]

That seems so stupid.

How many people, daily, even hourly, in the US eat cheese like that and don't get sick and have never gotten sick from such a thing in their entire life?

Damn this is so dumb.

[Anonymous No.5506889]

inb4 monsanto is behind this

[Anonymous No.5506890]

>>5506881
wow, so objective.
>aging food on wooden boards
>not draconian

[Anonymous No.5506891]

Thanks Obama.

[Anonymous No.5506896]

Americans only eat Kraft Singles, Cheez Whiz and Velveeta anyway.

[Anonymous No.5506898]

Next they'll ban cheese altogether, then all dairy in general

[Anonymous No.5506902]

>>5506889
from /pol/

>>31018302
>http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorymcneal/2014/06/09/fda-may-destroy-american-artisan-cheese-industry/
>Monica Metz, Branch Chief of the FDA’s Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition’s Dairy and Egg Branch (and a former employee of Leprino) wrote:
>The use of wooden shelves, rough or otherwise, for cheese ripening does not conform to [Current Good Manufacturing Practices], which require that “all plant equipment and utensils shall be so designed and of such material and workmanship as to be adequately cleanable, and shall be properly maintained.
>Metz
>Leprino
>Leprino Foods is an American company with headquarters in Denver, Colorado that produces cheese
>the world's largest maker of mozzarella cheese

[Anonymous No.5506909]

Meh. Guerrilla cheese making ftw

[Anonymous No.5506914]

>nanny state telling me what I'm not allowed to eat
What else is new?

[Anonymous No.5506919]

I can get behind this if it's for safety concerns, but not until they ban cigarettes and alcohol

[Anonymous No.5506921]

>>5506909
is it really that easy/feasible to make artisan aged cheeses at home?

[Anonymous No.5506923]

>>5506919

Why would you want any of that banned?

Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying that alcohol and cigarettes are a good thing. But a ban is the worst possible thing you could do. Didn't you learn about prohibition? Bans don't stop something. They create an illegal black market instead. Black market is worse than the alternative.

[Anonymous No.5506929]

>>5506881
This is to assure that the only cheese available in the US is shit made by Kraft and their ilk.

Fuck the FDA.

So glad I stopped eating cheese years ago.

[Anonymous No.5506931]

>>5506919
wow
we're fucking doomed

[Anonymous No.5506954]

more like faggots dicking asses amiright lololol

[Anonymous No.5506958]

>>5506902
For some reason I feel like the food industry is the absolute worst in regards to worming their way into politics to achieve some agenda. I realize 99.9% of corporations do this but the food industry just stands out. US capitalism needs a huge overhaul

[Anonymous No.5506961]

>>5506958
Food industry is worse than oil or cable?
gr8 b8 m8!

Food industry definitely has their own fucked agenda but the ramifications to our day-to-day life and future aren't nearly as damaging as tearing down net neutrality and persisting a crippling fossil fuel dependency.

[Anonymous No.5506973]

>>5506961
>the ramifications to our day-to-day life and future aren't nearly as damaging as tearing down net neutrality and persisting a crippling fossil fuel dependency.
You say this as our obesity epidemic is turning into a healthcare crisis?

[Anonymous No.5506975]

>>5506923

>They create an illegal black market instead. Black market is worse than the alternative.

This is drug addict logic. No, a black market makes things much harder for the average person to get a hold of, and we can arrest people who engage in the drugs. Notice how many more people smoke legal cigarettes than illegal methamphetamines.

[Anonymous No.5506976]

>>5506973
>You say this as our obesity epidemic is turning into a healthcare crisis?
Awesome political rhetoric, goy

[Anonymous No.5506980]

>>5506975
>prohibition worked, I tells you!

[Anonymous No.5506998]

>>5506976
The politics are pretty simple: hungry people riot in the streets, fat people don't.

[Anonymous No.5507001]

>>5506961
>health is less important than energy dependency

u wot m8?

[Anonymous No.5507003]

>>5507001
You can still easily eat healthy by avoiding Kraft cheese and processed food. We can't currently avoid spewing out toxic greenhouse gases. One is definitely more important that the other.

[Anonymous No.5507008]

>>5506898
I think if they banned all dairy in general a disturbingly large portion of /ck/ would be totally okay with that.

[Anonymous No.5507010]

Considering that the only argument in favor of wood is "muh tradition" (with the implication that stagnant Europe knows best), I would ask what is supposed to be the problem here. Our beers have been consistently superior to Europe for a decade or more and our wines for longer. And being from Wisconsin I know a thing or two about cheese.

Fuck wood, fuck euros, and fuck people who can't accept innovation and modernity.

[Anonymous No.5507011]

>>5506975
Well I think one reason people aren't doing meth and other harder drugs is because they realize how bad they are for you. I'm sure if they were legal somehow more people would try them, but a large majority would continue to stay away.

The problem comes when you have drugs like alcohol and tobacco legal but marijuana remains illegal. There's no defined boundary for what constitutes a drug's danger level and if it should be legal/illegal.

The government isn't our parents. The government was created by the people for the people and no one remembers that or they just don't care. Also a black market really doesn't make things that hard to get if you really want them and there are many many negatives associated with black markets.

[Anonymous No.5507012]

>>5506881
cant you still make your own cheese?

[Anonymous No.5507013]

>>5506975
>No, a black market makes things much harder for the average person to get a hold of

Lol, seriously? Marijuana has been highly illegal for decades. Schedule 1 drug--stricter penalties than cocaine, amphetamines, etc--yet it's the largest cash crop in the USA. These sorts of bans also create more hazardous alternatives. "synthetic cannabis" has resulted in many deaths and countless other serious health problems, but it never would have existed if the original were available, which has never killed anyone in all recorded history. Likewise during prohibition: when alcohol was banned people started making "moonshine" with all sorts of crap added to it because after all, there's no legal oversight for a black market. If you buy vodka at the liquor store you know what you're getting. When you buy it from billy bob down yonder how do you know he didn't spike it with paint thinner or methanol for that extra "kick"? And it doesn't stop the problem either. Thailand, for example, has incredibly strict penalties for dealing drugs, including liberal use of the death penalty. Yet it has a massive amphetamine problem.

>>we can arrest people who engage in the drugs

Why would you want to? Do you think the thousands of dollars that costs to arrest someone is a worthwhile expenditure? I don't know about you but I think it's pretty stupid to spend thousands of dollars to lock people up for smoking when we cannot even manage to pay our massive foreign debts.

Don't get me wrong. I think smoking is disgusting, not to mention the health problems is causes. But banning it--however good the intentions--will not solve anything, as history has shown us time and time again. Prohibition didn't stop drinking. "War on drugs" didn't stop people from getting high. What those things DID do, however, is cost us billions of dollars and make a lot of criminals very rich.

[Anonymous No.5507015]

>>5507010
But that's not the only argument you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.5507022]

I hope this happens. I really hope it does. USA USA USA USA

[Anonymous No.5507024]

>>5507022
It already happened. Go USA.

[Anonymous No.5507027]

>>5507010
They are aged in humid conditions, and metal/plastic boards condense and get stagnant. Wood boards do not. A bloomy rind cheese on a plastic or metal board would be horrid.

[Anonymous No.5507044]

>>5507013

>let's just let people destroy society with their degenerative vices

With that attitude, why make anything illegal? Murder is illegal but people still do it. Maybe we should just decriminalize it, right? Surely that would improve things.

[Anonymous No.5507053]

>>5507044
>people harming themselves is the same as people harming others
Flawless logic there, buddy.

[Anonymous No.5507062]

>>5507044
If you removed all laws there'd be no crime at all!

[Anonymous No.5507063]

>>5507010
>I would ask what is supposed to be the problem here.
The problem is that this legislation pushes small manufacturers out of the business. They did the same thing with slaughterhouses - they made compliance with the rules so difficult that only the big players can be in the game. This won't have any effect on the shit tier stuff; you'll still be able to get green cans of garbage to put on your sketti.

But the little guys who make some of the best cheese in the country will be hurt by this. Places like Holland Family Cheese in Thorp, WI and Tonjes Farm Dairy in the Hudson Valley are the kind of businesses that could be hurt by this.

[Anonymous No.5507065]

>>5507053

If you live in a society, you affect everyone else with everything you do.

[Anonymous No.5507069]

>>5507063

>They did the same thing with slaughterhouses

Oh no, I guess I'll try to feel sorry for the people who made a career out of torturing and killing animals.

[Anonymous No.5507073]

>>5506896
Maybe if you're a fucking Yankee. In KY we can get farmer's cheese from any Mennonite store.

[Anonymous No.5507075]

>>5507065
lol What? If I want to get shit faced retarded drunk in the comfort of my own home who exactly am I harming, assuming I stay at home?

[Anonymous No.5507077]

>>5506975
You are the stupidest person on 4chan. Congratulations.

[Anonymous No.5507078]

>>5507065
If you exist, you affect the entire universe.

See? I can play this game too. Taking poor care of yourself is still a completely different thing from going out and murdering people.

[Anonymous No.5507082]

>>5507044
>With that attitude, why make anything illegal?

It's a cost-benefit analysis. The cost of enforcing a ban on alcohol or smokes is massive. Yet we know from history that it doesn't work, to a very large degree. We also know the cost is very high. So why keep doing it when it's ineffective and the price is way out proportion to the supposed benefit.

Murder on the other hand is very rare. It's not the largest cash crop in the country. The cost-benefit ratio of keeping a murderer off the streets is a heck of a lot better than stopping grandpa from having his evening glass of whiskey.

[Anonymous No.5507086]

>>5507069
You do realize that the people this makes things more difficult for is the small farmers who raise livestock in a far more humane way than the big guys.

[Anonymous No.5507095]

>>5507078

>If you exist, you affect the entire universe.

Also true, which is why you should strive to not be a piece of shit and actually contribute positively to the world around you.

>Taking poor care of yourself is still a completely different thing from going out and murdering people.

If you don't take care of yourself, you're dragging society down, the same way someone on welfare does. You're just taking in resources and wasting them while giving nothing back.

>>5507082

>Murder on the other hand is very rare.

It's extremely common. What you're saying is that because criminals revolt immediately after you refuse to let them do bad things, we should instead give in and let them continue fucking the world up. Again, make murder legal then because serial killers are mad and continue to murder now that it's illegal. You're like that shitty parent who buckles and gives their kid ice cream and candy for dinner because they threw a fit.

[Anonymous No.5507099]

>>5507027
>metal/plastic boards condense

wat

>and get stagnant

THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE LAW IS THAT THEY CAN BE SANITIZED

[Anonymous No.5507102]

>>5507095
>If you don't take care of yourself, you're dragging society down
lol
I think that you drag society down by being a meddling shithead.

[Anonymous No.5507111]

>>5507095
It's simpler to say that there's a fine balance between a degenerate society and a decent one, and everyone's worried about falling too far toward the former. So certain drugs can't be legal, even if other, similar drugs can be. It's not that the legal drugs are better, it's just that that's the balance that has been struck over time.

[Anonymous No.5507114]

>>5507095
>It's extremely common

Not compared to smoking or drinking it's not, and that's what you seem to be implying.

>>What you're saying is that because criminals revolt immediately after you refuse to let them do bad things

Nope. I'm saying that when you tried enacting a ban and you find that a) it didn't work and b) it created a bunch of new problems worse than the original despite you sinking billions of dollars into it then you might rethink your strategy.

This isn't some philosophical question. It's empirical. We know the results. We've been there. We tried it. It doesn't work, so why keep doing it?

>>If you don't take care of yourself, you're dragging society down

So why not ban everything that's not productive? Sports should be illegal because all those people sitting on their asses at home (or in the stadium) watching the game and drinking beer aren't out there bettering themselves.

[Anonymous No.5507115]

>>5507099
Man does not understand cheese production.

[Anonymous No.5507119]

>>5507095
Okay so at this point I'm going to assume you're a touch slow, because that's nicer than thinking you're being deliberately dense, possibly trolling. I'll say it once more, though: Not helping others is very different from actively doing harm to them. You're not "dragging them down" to any measurable extent if you don't interact directly with them, any more than their hypothetical better lives will uplift your own.

You also seem to have trouble understanding the stance >>5507082 has on murder, but I'll leave that to him.

[Anonymous No.5507121]

>>5507099
>>metal/plastic boards condense
>wat

The cheese is moist. The plastic or metal board cannot absorb this moisture, therefore it remains between the cheese and the board.

>>can be sanitized
Sure, you could do that between uses. Buy you cannot sanitize the board while a cheese is sitting on it. Do you even understand the cheesemaking process?

[Anonymous No.5507126]

>>5506881
FUCK THIS FUCKING FUCK FDA. It's all cronyism, nepotism, and unscrupulous business deals. FUCK.

[Anonymous No.5507131]

>>5507126
So we're losing imported cheese... at least we gained italian cured meats? =\

[Anonymous No.5507144]

>>5507121
>The plastic or metal board cannot absorb this moisture, therefore it remains between the cheese and the board

What is mesh? What are racks?

[Anonymous No.5507146]

By God, we'll stop those dastardly cheese makers by any means necessary.

http://www.dailypaul.com/318960/us-department-of-agriculture-usda-buying-sub-machine-guns

[ETHANOL No.5507191]

How bad will this effect us? I'm completely pissed at the principal behind their decision but will any people but the most discerning cheese consumers even notice?

Somebody please post some examples of cheeses that we won't get anymore?

[Anonymous No.5507203]

>>5506881
I love being Canadian

[Anonymous No.5507205]

>>5507191
dick cheese ages on wood

huehuehue

[Anonymous No.5507232]

>>5507010
>Our beers have been consistently superior to Europe for a decade or more and our wines for longer.

ahaha.
Ahahaha.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH.

[Anonymous No.5507233]

>>5507144
that would make a soft cheese just sag and fall through?

[Anonymous No.5507234]

>>5507233

Smaller holes, anon.

[Anonymous No.5507254]

>>5507205
kek/10

[Anonymous No.5507257]

>>5507114

>Not compared to smoking or drinking it's not, and that's what you seem to be implying.

Because murder is illegal and smoking/drinking isn't. You just undid your own point.

[Anonymous No.5507263]

>>5507257

Your reading comprehension sucks. Drinking refers to prohibition, which we discussed in the previous exchange of posts. Smoking refers to pot, which again was clearly mentioned in the same exchange of posts.

[Anonymous No.5507266]

>>5507257
>>not compared to drinking
you are retarded, again, prohibition.

[Anonymous No.5507408]

>>5507257

Seriously I'm too tired to reply coherently, but all you've said in this thread makes you the biggest fucking mongrel I've had the displeasure of reading today. You are one enormous, vain, ill-thinking piece of shit and you should never say anything ever again except for "sorry sir".

I can't fathom what a retard you are. Its almost impressive.

[Anonymous No.5507512]

>>5506909
>>5506921
prohibition era cheeseshiners
who's with me?
has some weird cultural overlap, too
moon, made of cheese
moonshine
cheeseshine
can't just be coincidence

[Anonymous No.5507623]

>>5507232
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_%28wine%29

Sorry Europe. You might as well just stop making wine.

[Anonymous No.5507641]

First wonderballs, now good cheese?!
STOP FUCKING ME AROUND LIFE

[Anonymous No.5507664]

>>5507086


this.

>>5507069

people like you will be weeded out of existence in due time.

[Anonymous No.5507669]

>>5506954
as a faggot who likes to suck dicks all day and get taken by strong men, I'm offended that you'd compare my sexual orientation to this miserable faggotry.

[Anonymous No.5507682]

Because of the coming apocalypse I've decided to interrupt my cut and acquire cheese before all we have left is Kraft Singles.

I got Humble Pie from Vermont. This stuff is damm good. I'll probably do this a few more nights this week for dinner. The eating disorder can wait.

Eat the good stuff while you still can, my fellow Americans.

[Anonymous No.5507691]

>implying this will stop people from eating the stuff that's banned
I could get unpasteurized milk easy as fuck if I wanted too, I'm sure I could get cheeses aged on wood.

[Anonymous No.5507699]

>>5507691
>durrr I know a guy therefore ask cheeses are the same

Some people enjoy variety, but I'm sure you wouldn't understand that

[Anonymous No.5507703]

>>5507099
confirmed for lacking kitchen experience or knowledge of foodsafe standards

[Anonymous No.5507734]

>>5507682
>interrupting your cut
Enjoy being a landwhale brah. You should just stockpile all the goudas you can so that they last a while until your bulk

[Anonymous No.5507791]

>>5507734
I hate being a landwhale. My waist has been 31" since my early 20s and it's humiliating, but with this cheese thing 30" is going to have to wait.

[Anonymous No.5507828]

>>5507114

But prohibition was working extremely well up until The Great Depression, at which point they said "fuck it" out of desperation to stimulate the economy by allowing and taxing alcohol production. The drunk driving issue alone is enough to show you how bad it is to have alcohol legal and easily accessible. Go into areas where illegal drugs are commonly used, with meth heads and heroin and crack addicts, and tell me the world would be a better place if we made that the legal norm.

[Anonymous No.5507833]

http://yppm.removed.us

[Anonymous No.5507838]

>>5507828
Sure, go ahead and ban the world's oldest beverage because you can't handle a few thousand easily preventable deaths a year. Pussy.

[Anonymous No.5507868]

>>5507838

>muh tradition

How about we make human sacrifice, cannibalism, and slavery legal again?

[Anonymous No.5507898]

>>5507868
Why not just acknowledge proper cheesemaking without resorting to hyperbole? That's generally how things have been done. What do we need extra bullshit for?

[Anonymous No.5507899]

>>5507868
fuck yeah we should, the world would be a much more interesting and fun place.
>pretending you've never wanted to own slaves, eat human flesh, or drive a sacrificial dagger into the throat of a POW

[Anonymous No.5507921]

>>5507065
>this is why non-plastic cheeses are now banned

[Anonymous No.5507938]

>>5507073
fucking new england is chedder country rebel scum

[Anonymous No.5507950]

>Still legal
>Still called cheese

[Anonymous No.5507951]

>>5507950
>trying this hard

[Anonymous No.5507958]

>>5507951
Thanks man!
I wasn't even trying; i'm glad my effort showed.

I used to eat American cheese like crazy when i was a kid, it all comes from experience.

[Anonymous No.5507965]

>>5507095
>you're dragging society down, the same way someone on welfare does. You're just taking in resources and wasting them while giving nothing back.
Oh, you mean the same way those bankers that we bail out as a reward for being thieves do? Funny, I don't see you crusading to have them held accountable. No, you'd rather be a white-knighting faggot imposing his sanctimonious and archaic dogmas on everyone else's lives. Who the fuck made you king of feels, anyway? Guess what, we don't don't give a shit about your bullshit hypocritical morals and values anymore. And murder is legal, your tax dollars are paying for it every fucking day.

>degenerative
back to >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.5507972]

>>5506881

moe, larry, the cheese! moe, larry, the cheese!

Seriously, finally I don't have to take any chances as to what kinda cheese is on my pizza. Cause it's all gonna be shit.

[Anonymous No.5507983]

Fuck me. Really?

Does anyone know exactly what kinds of cheese will be banned? I don't know what kinds of cheeses are aged this way but I'm damn sure most of the ones I eat are.

[Anonymous No.5507988]

>>5507983

the cheese made from real dairy.

You would think there would be a strong enough lobbyist group to combat this but I guess you can't fight city hall.

[Anonymous No.5507991]

>>5506881
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorymcneal/2014/06/10/fda-backs-down-in-fight-over-aged-cheese/

[Anonymous No.5507993]

>>5507988
Wait, hold on.

You can't be serious not ALL cheese is aged with wooden presses right?

[Anonymous No.5508009]

>>5507991
THANK
FUCKING
CHRIST

[Anonymous No.5508019]

>>5507965

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

[Anonymous No.5508021]

>>5507991
If aged cheese wasn't a food consumed largely by the upper classes do you think its be so quickly dropped?

Not a /pol/tard just asking outloud

[Anonymous No.5508025]

>>5508021
That is to say regularly by the upper middle class and above?

[Anonymous No.5508107]

>>5507791
>31"
please my waist is 32" and I'm 5'10 and pretty slim. you're probably delusional

[Anonymous No.5508157]

>>5506881
aboslutely ridiculous. at the very most just make them put a special label on it. Its probably better off on the wood anyway considering it has natural antimicrobial properties, much more so than what the recommend it being but on.

http://faculty.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/faculty/docliver/Research/cuttingboard.htm

[Anonymous No.5508167]

>>5506961
Man are you completely unaware how deep the corn lobby runs?
Corn is no joke. Hell they put corn in the gas just to double whammy everyone.

[Anonymous No.5508170]

>>5506975
I concur, just like this enterprising individual.

[Anonymous No.5508175]

>>5508170
>not getting your truffles, seafoods and knives out of a astrovan backed up to the backdoor in the kitchen

[Anonymous No.5508227]

>>5508019
How convenient, something you deem as degenerative and immoral is valid but what others may is a straw man. I guess any comparison you don't agree with is logical fallacy. Why don't you go study that sticky some more, though. Then try coming back when you have some original insight.

[Anonymous No.5508232]

>>5508227

It's a strawman because you're inventing an unimplied, random argument to attribute to the guy so that you'll have something to argue against to take the heat off of what you're in favor of.

[Anonymous No.5508233]

>>5507965

>Funny, I don't see you crusading to have them held accountable

How would you possibly know if he does?

[Anonymous No.5508273]

If anyone is creating straw men, he is.
>This is drug addict logic
>because only drug addicts are for drug policy reform

>Notice how many more people smoke legal cigarettes than illegal methamphetamines
What the fuck kind of implication is that, anyway?
>hurr I wish I had some meth to smoke, too bad it's illegal. Guess this marlboro will have to do
You can take a guess on why more people smoke cigarettes than meth but I can show you which one kills more people.

So he's of the opinion that marijuana is a
>degenerative vice
and legalizing it will
>destroy society
and that prohibition is effective although, as other posters have pointed out, this has empirically been proven to be untrue. But he is free to have that opinion, even go straightedge, if he wish. Just as I am free to believe that wallstreet is destructive and immoral, and that people like him are the pieces of shit who actually contribute negatively to the world around them. These are called perspectives, and pointing out and comparing the two is not a logical fallacy. The same way, for example, if I compare how eating McDonalds is
>not taking care of yourself and dragging society down
perhaps we should criminalize that, as well.

>>5508233
I don't, but it's an assumption I'm willing to make.

[Anonymous No.5508278]

>>5508232
Wrong. If anyone is creating straw men, he is.
>This is drug addict logic
>because only drug addicts are for drug policy reform

>Notice how many more people smoke legal cigarettes than illegal methamphetamines
What the fuck kind of implication is that, anyway?
>hurr I wish I had some meth to smoke, too bad it's illegal. Guess this marlboro will have to do
You can take a guess on why more people smoke cigarettes than meth but I can show you which one kills more people.

So he's of the opinion that marijuana is a
>degenerative vice
and legalizing it will
>destroy society
and that prohibition is effective although, as other posters have pointed out, this has empirically been proven to be untrue. But he is free to have that opinion, even go straightedge, if he wish. Just as I am free to believe that wallstreet is destructive and immoral, and that people like him are the pieces of shit who actually contribute negatively to the world around them. These are called perspectives, and pointing out and comparing the two is not a logical fallacy. The same way, for example, if I compare how eating McDonalds is
>not taking care of yourself and dragging society down
perhaps we should criminalize that, as well.

>>5508233
I don't, but it's an assumption I'm willing to make.

[Anonymous No.5508287]

>>5506881
it's a Krafty Conspiracy

[Anonymous No.5508316]

>>5507828
But making prescription drugs the legal norm is completely harmless, right? And last time I checked, stimulating the economy was a good thing. The only reason drunk driving wasn't an issue during prohibition era is that the few cars on the road went all of 40 mph. Ironically, the outlawing of alcohol is one of the things that actually led to cars going much faster.

[Anonymous No.5508390]

>>5506885
Probably Kraft or one of the other big industrial cheesemakers lobbied for it to eliminate the competition.

But at least it's one less source of possible GMO contamination (in case they ever got a shelf made from GMO poplar wood).

[Anonymous No.5508392]

>>5506881
Yo dawg, it looks like they are backing down:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorymcneal/2014/06/10/fda-backs-down-in-fight-over-aged-cheese/
The FDA is backing away from a policy statement that declared cheese makers would no longer be able to age their cheese on wooden boards. The statement caused outrage in the artisan cheese community and consumers quickly came to the aid of the industry signing onto a petition and expressing their outrage through social media. The American Cheese Society released a position statement, and it was clear that the industry was prepared to fight back if the FDA did not change its position.

>
>
>

Note however: as the article goes on to point out, the FDA DID issue such a policy, even though they then claimed it wasn't really a "policy", and they plan now to "study" it. Sort of like Obamacare -- pass the bill without reading it, ram it down the public's throats despite serious opposition, then "delay implementation" because they realize it will fucking ruin the reelection chances of the Dems in Congress.

[Anonymous No.5508424]

>>5506975
>there are people that actually think like this
>these people vote and breed
We should have never let women vote, it was all downhill from there it seems.

There it is. This is why the average American thinks the "war on drugs" is a good thing.
>drugs are bad, goy! You dont want your kids on drugs, do you? Keep pumping billions of Dollars into the machine to stop it!
>meanwhile, the CIA allows trucks full of cocaine into the country

>next on Mr. Bones Wild Ride, we get semi automatic weapons banned
You dont want kids to kill each other do you, goy? Guns are dangerous! Only backwoods retards have guns, goy. You...don't have a small penis, do you??

Yeah man banning materials always works out great. Lets ban unhealthy food, tobacco, and force the auto industry to install governers in cars so they cant go over 40mph. That would be safer and would totally work fine.

>inb4 someone with no car, guns, or soul says thats actually a good idea.
We /pol/ now.

[Anonymous No.5508449]

So. We replace the wooden shelves with plastic shelves? Metal shelves? Im missing the stink here.

[Anonymous No.5508453]

>>5508449

tl;dr wood aged cheeses get their special flavor from bacteria, bacteria not all bad, bacteria particular to woods used, no more wood no more special flavor, plastic no work for some kinds of cheese due to no porous, no more bloomy rind cheeses as we know it unless wood, consumers no benefit from this, only one benefit is kraft cheese that no use wood

[Anonymous No.5508478]

>>5508453
>>5508453
Still dont understand why they are hating on wood. Last i checked there havent been any cases of cheese born deaths

[Anonymous No.5508494]

>>5508478

The FDA person who did this formerly worked for one of the largest cheese manufacturers in the US, one of those types that only uses plastic because they're making jailhouse and school lunch tier cheese.

Also read the thread

[Anonymous No.5508497]

I hope they ban yogurt tomorrow for having bacteria in it.

[Anonymous No.5508594]

>>5508494
America is hilariously corrupt. It's mindboggling how this not only happens but is public knowledge.

[Anonymous No.5508659]

I'm reading some articles about this and what I find most telling about this whole thing is that in the USA cheese that is not mass produced factory shit is called "Artisan cheese" as if it were something fancy and snobby.

It's the opposite here in Europe, what you call "Artisan cheese" is considered normal cheese here and what you consider normal cheese is going to be qualified as factory produced garbage that shouldn't have the right to call itself cheese.

I don't understand why you call local breweries "micro" either, that just sounds so disparaging.

[Anonymous No.5508680]

>>5508659
You forgot to complain about tipping and not using the metric system.

[Anonymous No.5508683]

/pol/ is right again. just the jews continuing their scheme to get all of america buying from a few huge corporations. they already did it with media and banking. Now they are going to take over the food supply.

[Anonymous No.5508705]

>>5508659
>in the USA cheese that is not mass produced factory shit is called "Artisan cheese" as if it were something fancy and snobby.
This is generally true of food in the US. We have some of the best food in the world, but most people neither eat it, nor know about it. They just buy whatever crap is for sale at the supermarket, and round things out with fast food or shit tier restaurants that use foodservice companies as their purveyors.

Another interesting fact: In the US all produce that's not corn or soy is called "specialty produce", and specialty produce accounts for less than 20% of agricultural output. Think about that.

[Anonymous No.5508741]

>>5508683
>Now they are going to take over the food supply.
Newsflash: that happened a few decades ago, regardless of who's to blame.

This legislation amounts to an attempt to pull up some profitable weeds that had the gall to grow on what has been socialized and heavily regulated turf for a long time. Dairy in the US is a fucking cartel business.

[Anonymous No.5508773]

Americans, what happened to your freedoms, capitalism and free market? I don't understand. It's just like your country doesn't work anymore: you pay taxes but have no free medicine, you are not allowed to eat chocolate eggs in your land of liberty, and now, you are not allowed to buy traditionally-made cheese. It is just so wrong.

[Anonymous No.5508779]

>>5508019
>Here are some reasons you might want to order one of these pretty great posters:
>To hang up near your computer for when you are arguing with people on the internets.

The perfect gift for your favorite fedora.

[Anonymous No.5508783]

>>5507991
>>5508392
>Wooden shelves or boards cannot be adequately cleaned and sanitized. The porous structure of wood enables it to absorb and retain bacteria, therefore bacteria generally colonize not only the surface but also the inside layers of wood. The shelves or boards used for aging make direct contact with finished products; hence they could be a potential source of pathogenic microorganisms in the finished products.

Ha ha ha, the FDA is literally staffed by /ck/ shitposters. I remember this asshole shilling his plastic boards here years ago.

[Anonymous No.5508784]

>>5508773
Muh gunz happened
That and banning birth control and abortion are literally the only things anyone cares about

[Anonymous No.5508787]

>>5506881
Dairy farmers have for a long time been living high off the government hog. Now this. Well, you reap what you sow.

[Anonymous No.5508793]

>>5507623
>this one time in 1976....
Yeah. We sure showed the French once...almost 40 years ago.

[Anonymous No.5508801]

>>5508424

yes because the anon you quoted is clearly a women

women's suffrage is TOTALLY RELATED to this discussion

mommy-issue retard

[Anonymous No.5508833]

>>5506902
The cronyism is fucking palpable.

[Anonymous No.5508862]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorymcneal/2014/06/10/fda-backs-down-in-fight-over-aged-cheese/
so this whole argument is mute because the fda backed down.

[Anonymous No.5508883]

>>5508773
>Americans, what happened to your freedoms, capitalism and free market? I don't understand.
Letting our capitalism run free led to cronyism, with the moneyed interests shaping the legislation. This is what happens when government and industry are the same fucking people.

[Anonymous No.5508937]

>>5508862
>While this is clearly a victory for the cheese industry, nothing is stopping the FDA from promulgating new regulations, so cheese makers will need to stay pay attention to what the FDA does next. FDA spokesperson Lauren Sucher signaled as much when she stated the agency would “engage with the artisanal cheese-making community to determine whether certain types of cheeses can safely be made by aging them on wooden shelving.” That sounds like the FDA is planning to make some new regulation

Evil never sleeps.

[Anonymous No.5508938]

>>5508883
People always say "muh free market", but they actually mean "muh crony capitalism", never knowing the difference. I'm glad you know the difference

[Anonymous No.5509024]

>>5508278

>You can take a guess on why more people smoke cigarettes than meth but I can show you which one kills more people.

... cigarettes.

>and that prohibition is effective although, as other posters have pointed out, this has empirically been proven to be untrue

It hasn't though, prohibition was massively successful until The Great Depression, when it had to be ended for the sake of stimulating the economy.

[Anonymous No.5509068]

>>5508862
it's never over because there are still cheese import/production restrictions already in place.

[Anonymous No.5509080]

>European law dictates that only those cheeses aged in the natural Combalou caves of Roquefort-sur-Soulzon may bear the name Roquefort, as it is a recognised geographical indication, or has a protected designation of origin.

Look at all them bacteria infested wooden cheese racks

[Anonymous No.5509089]

>>5508862
Yeah, but now they are trying to find a way around it to do the same thing.

[Anonymous No.5509092]

Has anyone told the FDA that cheese is made from microbes in the first place?

[Anonymous No.5509093]

Warsteiner is absolutely disgusting.

[Anonymous No.5509131]

>>5508683
Reminder: /pol/ is always right.

[Anonymous No.5509134]

>>5508478
My cousin was killed by a rogue brie.

[Anonymous No.5509140]

>>5508705
>all produce that's not corn or soy is called "specialty produce", and specialty produce accounts for less than 20% of agricultural output.
You understand why, don't you? Wait, i guess you don't. it's because the left-wing fruitcakes insisted that we use "alternative fuels" like ETHANOL and BIODIESEL, which are economically inefficient, so the government then SUBSIDIZED THE EVERLOVING FUCK out of growing corn and soybeans, so the megacorporations all started planting that shit like crazy.

You want to stop massive wastage, just end the "alternative fuels" scam.

[Anonymous No.5509142]

>>5508793
Except for the several repeat tests over the course of 30 years, and general proliferation of double-blind testing and rigor in food standards across the board. Wine is a marketer's business. You think French wines taste better because that's the impression you were given from its legacy and prestige.

[Anonymous No.5509145]

>>5508741
>that happened a few decades ago, regardless of who's to blame.
No, no, we know exactly who to blame: Franklin D. Roosevelt and his socialist agricultural products during the Depression.

The Supreme Court caved to him in Wickard v. Filburn, and it was all over from there.

[Anonymous No.5509146]

>>5508784
You forgot gay marriage, you homophobic fuck.

[Anonymous No.5509147]

>>5509140
Actually we've been saying it was not efficient for years and that is was taking food out of people's mouths.

[Anonymous No.5509148]

>>5507146
obviously it's for their elite anti-chupacabra unit
bad shit happens out there man

[Anonymous No.5509149]

>>5509024
>prohibition was massively successful
No, just no.

Prohibition ended because everyone was still drinking, gangsters were running around killing people, and we finally told the do-gooders to fuck off and die.

We're starting to do the same with marijuana now. I'm sure the government will find something else to fuck with, maybe the whole NSA/internet thing to crack down on free speech because it can be hateful. Or maybe they'll devote their careers to ruining healthcare.

[Anonymous No.5509152]

>>5509142
So then why didn't you link to those tests instead of one single test from 1976? You fucking dip shit. I don't care which is better, you're just retarded.

[Anonymous No.5509154]

>>5509152
The repeat tests are in the wiki article retard.

[Anonymous No.5509155]

>>5509147
>we've been saying it was not efficient for years
Which "we"? The environmentalist lobby that forced it into place to begin with? Or the bigoted homophobic racist environment-hating Republitards who just want corporate interests to own the world?

'cause from where I sit, the Dems and environmentalists are the ones who rammed corn-ethanol down everyone's gas tanks, and forced us to subsidize it because it couldn't be profitable otherwise.

[Anonymous No.5509159]

>>5509154
Oh man. Three other taste tastings. The most recent from the 80s. ITS DEFINITIVE.

[Anonymous No.5509161]

>>5509149

Your view of history is warped and inaccurate, and serves only to delude yourself into thinking harmful drugs should be legal.

[Anonymous No.5509176]

>>5508938
>People always say "muh free market", but they actually mean "muh crony capitalism", never knowing the difference.
There's a massive Jedi mind trick being put across here. The FDA's actions will be cast as government meddling in business, instead of big business dictating government policy. Because the heads of those regulatory agencies are former executives. Of course this only works in industries the government subsidizes: agriculture, healthcare and the wehrmacht. In industries like energy and banking a different strategy is used - big business runs "small government" candidates, who seek to deregulate their industries under the guise of more freedom.

Corporate interests will be served first. What will we be served? Stuffed crust fucking pizza. Eat up more shit quality cheese, America!

[Anonymous No.5509541]

>>5509161
>harmful drugs should be legal
But they already are, faggot.
>In 2010, of the 38,329 drug overdose deaths in the United States, 22,134 (60%) were related to pharmaceuticals
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/overdose/facts.html
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/rxbrief/index.html
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6101a3.htm

Your view of the present is warped and innacurate.

[Anonymous No.5509560]

>>5509161
>harmful drugs should be legal
But they already are, faggot.
>In 2010, of the 38,329 drug overdose deaths in the United States, 22,134 (60%) were related to pharmaceuticals
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/overdose/facts.html
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/rxbrief/index.html
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6101a3.htm

Your view of the present is warped and inaccurate.

[Anonymous No.5509567]

>>5509560
Your views are also skewed, but you are correct. Most doctors currently exist to push dangerous prescriptions, many of which should have never been approved in the first place.

Treating symptoms with chemical interactions does not fix the problem or remove the cause.

[Anonymous No.5509568]

>>5507512

>cheeseshiners

lel

count me in man

[Anonymous No.5509575]

>>5509159

Nobody has conducted a double-blind study on something recently, so even though the last times there were verifiable, replicable results, it must be invalid now because we're not wasting resources constantly testing everything all the time. Because that's the only way to gain general understanding, working from the ground up every single time for the rest of human civilization. Nope, definitely not beating a dead horse there, no sirree.

[Anonymous No.5509578]

>>5509568
Likewise. The ban of alcohol, firearms, or cheese would surely drive me to spitefully produce underground.

Likely at great profit hehe.

[Anonymous No.5509607]

FDA is backing down at the moment

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorymcneal/2014/06/10/fda-backs-down-in-fight-over-aged-cheese/

[Anonymous No.5509608]

>>5509567
>Your views
These aren't my views, you peevish faggot, they are facts. If you're going to try and have a debate or discussion, try not coming off as a full-on sperger.

[Anonymous No.5509617]

Next they'll ban the sale of beef that is anything under well done.

[Anonymous No.5509658]

black market cheese?

[Anonymous No.5509673]

>>5506881
American Cheese: Now with even more plastic!

[Anonymous No.5509707]

>>5509673
but that pizza isnt even available in america

[Anonymous No.5509821]

>>5509608
Aren't most pharmaceutical overdoses from over the counter stuff like acetaminophen?

[Anonymous No.5509831]

ban assault cheese

[Anonymous No.5509922]

>>5509831

Not everything is about you, whiny gunfags.

[Anonymous No.5509928]

>>5509922
But it is. President Blackenstein is trying to take away all their guns, and all their freedoms.

[Anonymous No.5509939]

>>5509922
>>5509928
youre the asshole bringing up guns

also, let that motherfucker try

[Anonymous No.5509957]

I'm actually mad.

[Anonymous No.5509960]

>>5507012
who the fuck has the time to do that?

[Anonymous No.5509973]

>>5509560
pic related

[Anonymous No.5509985]

>>5509568
>not eating cheeseshiner gold in the back of a dingy speakcheesy

[Anonymous No.5510000]

>>5509960
it really doesnt take that long to make

[Anonymous No.5510003]

>>5509985
>speakcheesy

[Anonymous No.5510007]

>>5510003
I stole that from a reddit comment don't make me feel guilty about it.

[Anonymous No.5510020]

>>5510007
4chan is OVER

[Anonymous No.5510030]

>>5510020

[Anonymous No.5510074]

>>5509707
but it's made by an american company

[Anonymous No.5510102]

>>5509155
>not realizing they are both puppets whose strings are being pulled by the same people with similar interests
topfoil

[Anonymous No.5510126]

>>5506958
The US is not capitalist anymore. Fascist is the word you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.5510141]

>>5510126
It's a completely new kind of -ist. Corporate Oligarchy(ist)?

[Anonymous No.5510142]

>>5510126
I'd rather have Nazi fucking Germany meddling with my cheeses than the US Govt. to be honest

[Anonymous No.5510184]

On one hand I see this as another case of the USDA and all their former big food employees destroying competition by passing more restrictions. But the bigger picture I see is that the government knows how important bacteria is, and is starting to clamp down on what bacteria the American public are ingesting.

If big food could find a way to deprive us of healthy bacteria, then shovel our gullets full of poison and sell those healthy bacteria right back to us, then I'm sure they would. The great culling is finally upon us.

[Anonymous No.5510193]

>>5506958
>US capitalism needs a huge overhaul

[Anonymous No.5510195]

>>5507073
If you're a fucking Yankee you go to the fromagerie in Beekman.

[Anonymous No.5510791]

>>5509176

[Anonymous No.5510880]

>>5507232
if by "our beers" he means American craft beer, then i'm with him.

if he means overall, though, then probably Belgium would win.

[Anonymous No.5511086]

>>5510880
Even your hoppy craft beers are shit. Granted they are better than the sparkling water with a dash of piss you call Bud or Miller, but they still aren't all that.

[Anonymous No.5511154]

I told you about voting Democrat. I told you, man.

[Anonymous No.5511165]

>>5509092

God forbid somebody tells them about Yoghurt.

[Anonymous No.5511179]

>>5511154
I voted Democrat... once.

[Anonymous No.5511340]

>>5511086
>Granted they are better than the sparkling water with a dash of piss you call Bud or Miller

No, they are worse. Budweiser and Miller require technology and expertise to brew; overhopped DIPA just requires bleach, a big ass jug, a beer kit from the internet, and too much spare time.

Also Bud and Miller are internetional brands so I'm not sure what "you call" is supposed to mean. Do you call them something else?

[Anonymous No.5511347]

>>5511340
>cheap as possible rice-filler-beers aren't any worse than something made with a noticeable amount of real mash and hops because mah machinery
Yeah, sure.

[Anonymous No.5511349]

>>5511347

There is nothing fundamentally wrong with rice. Given a choice between a half-assed DIPA made by someone who doesn't know what he's doing (99% of them), and a refreshing crisp adjunct lager, I'll take the latter in a heartbeat.

Expensive ingredients aren't the magic cheat code to a good end product.

[Anonymous No.5511351]

>>5511086
You sound so fucking unfun to be around. Do you get ditched at parties a lot? What do you consider a good beer?
http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/30128/86333/?ba=Mora2000

This is currently one of my favorites and its American. All my favorites are either brewed locally here in Texas or not so far away. Why the fuck would I want to drink imported beer? What could I possibly drink that has one thing over a domestic beer? Anything that you could name we probably have something just like it here except it didnt take a long hot skunky boat ride over here.

[Anonymous No.5511353]

>>5511351

I wanted to agree with you but

>I'm from Texas
>linking to beer advocate

No, I'm going to side with the annoying tryhard. Sorry Tex, your previous behavior has discredited you, that and the fact that your state produces Shiner Bock and Blue Bell. Fuck Texas.

[Anonymous No.5511361]

>>5511349
>Expensive ingredients aren't the magic cheat code to a good end product.
Cheap ingredients are frequently the death of a product though.

Just admit that the biggest producers of rice-cut lagers are doing it to keep the cost as low as possible for the druggies.

[Anonymous No.5511362]

>>5511361
>are doing it to keep the cost as low

No shit sherlock.

>for the druggies

What do drugs have to do with any of this? Are you 12?

Just admit that you buy expensive stuff at the grocery store and then fuck it up because you never learned the fundamentals of cooking.

[Anonymous No.5511363]

>>5511353
I dont understand what youre so upset about, elitist faggot. I just google searched Blood and Honey and that was the first link I saw. Im not even going to ask why youre getting flustered about some website.
What "previous" behavior are you refering to? Also, Shiner Bock isnt bad.
>not Texas waaa!
>Ive never left the country or even my home state, so Ill say fuck Texas waa!

Even if you have, thats what you sound like.

[Anonymous No.5511364]

>>5511362
>>5511361

Oh wait I think I get it. You mean to imply that people who drink cheap adjunct lager are "druggies" as if to imply that people who drink more expensive beer drink it exclusively for the taste.

If you buy cheap stuff to get drunk and expensive stuff "for the taste" you are poor and have no business drinking at all.

[Anonymous No.5511367]

>>5511364

[Anonymous No.5511368]

>>5511363

I've been to every state except Alaska and Maine, and I've been to more countries than you could ever dream, you dumb, ignorant, gun loving sister fucking textbook corrupting Texan. Why can people from every other state manage to make a sentence without mentioning what state they're in, except Texas?

But to bring this back to food, Shiner Bock isn't *bad* by the standards of cheap mass produced beer, but then, no one claims any other cheap mass produced beer is the best thing ever, except Texans with regard to Shiner Bock.

[Anonymous No.5511413]

>>5508107
omie, Im 5'10 and my waist is slightly below 28"

[Anonymous No.5511576]

>>5511368
>Why can people from every other state manage to make a sentence without mentioning what state they're in, except Texas?
Except of course for New York shitstains, who can't stop posting about their crappy pizza.

[Anonymous No.5511611]

>>5511576
No, that's what city they're from, and in their case it's justified since NY is literally the capital of the world.

[Anonymous No.5511615]

>>5511576

And Chicago and their deep-dish pizza.
Oh, and wisconsin cheeseheads
Then there's the Cajun crowd.
Oh, don't forget California.

>>no one claims any other cheap mass produced beer is the best thing ever, except Texans with regard to Shiner Bock.

When I was in Detroit a couple weeks go there was an awful lot of that shit with their "great lakes brewing co" or someshite. Another group of people were going all nutty about yuengling.

[Anonymous No.5511625]

>>5511615
Texas is such a contradiction. They act like they love "freedom" so much but as a state Texas has a lot of restrictions. Alcohol restrictions, strict marijuana laws, very few abortion clinics. Texas has dry counties, what's the point of that in 2014? Separation of church and state right?

[Anonymous No.5511706]

>>5508783
does the FDA not know that cheese is a bacteria colony?

[Anonymous No.5511751]

>>5511615
Great Lakes is a well respected brewery in Ohio. Yuengling and Leinenkugels are examples of local but not good. Shiner falls into the latter category as well.

[Anonymous No.5511753]

>>5506919
>Banning things because you don't like them

[Anonymous No.5511760]

>>5506881
Who cares its still rotten stinking cheese.

[Anonymous No.5511825]

>>5511625
>very few abortion clinics
Oh my, how terrible if you might have to drive a few miles to murder your unborn child. What an inconvenience upon an inconvenience.

[Anonymous No.5511832]

>>5511825
Racist pig