/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.5383994]

This morning on the Today show they did a blind taste test of Beyond Meat (vegan company)'s beef and chicken, with the real thing. No one could tell the difference.

[Anonymous No.5384009]

That's because network television is leftist propaganda.

[Anonymous No.5384018]

>>5383994
you'd be stunned by how many upper class people (mostly celebrities) have zero pallet. They just want to eat canned shit but not have it come in a can.

[Anonymous No.5384020]

Doubtful. There may be some reasonably tasty mockups, but you can tell the difference between meat and not-meat.

>>5384018
This. It's why filet mignon is (was) so popular amongst the upper class.

[Anonymous No.5384022]

>>5384009
Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

[Anonymous No.5384032]

>>5384022
here we go again

[Anonymous No.5384033]

>>5384020
>you can tell the difference between meat and not-meat.
Depends. Eaten plain, I agree, but there are a lot of very realistic meatless meats now. When slathered in sauce, or in something like tacos, Beyond Meat tastes the same

[Anonymous No.5384052]

>>5384033
But how if you make a stock or a sauce with them? I guarantee you will not get proper results.

[Anonymous No.5384056]

>>5383994
Not a vegetarian but boca burgers are pretty good.

[Anonymous No.5384060]

>>5384052
it's all "natural flavoring" so essentially anything you can find that's not synthetic or meat could be used. It would essentially be vegetable stock plus flavor extracts until suitable.

[Anonymous No.5384063]

>>5383994
Is probably made of some bastardized, ultra-processed frankenfoodified soy product. No. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.5384081]

>>5383994
> No one could tell the difference.

You mean none of the paid representatives of Today show, who are paid by RT television networks, which happens to have invested a bunch of money in Beyond Meat.

ye don't say??

> Hello, I'm a Doctor and you can buy labcoats at the costume store. I recommend this product because I got a bunch of money to say I recommended it. I assure you I've used it on myself and all my patients even though I've never even seen it before.

[Anonymous No.5384112]

Fine. Who cares. If a tasty and nutritious meat substitute was avaiable for a reasonable price and less usage of natural resources, i would buy it

>>5384022
>>5384009
What does being liberal have to do being vegetarian?

[Anonymous No.5384141]

was it chicken nuggets or something? because yea chicken nuggets with meat barely taste like food so I could imagine people being unable to taste the difference

I've had some chicken nuggets (plain, buffalo, and some spinach nuggets) from some vegetarian company in the fridge section when I had a coupon that made them free, they were really good

that said I usually don't like meat substitutes that try to taste like meat, but I like a lot of the ones that try to serve the same purpose without imitating a meaty taste (for example boca burgers vs gardenburger).

[Anonymous No.5384144]

>>5384081
just ask this scientician

[Anonymous No.5384147]

>>5384112
>What does being liberal have to do being vegetarian?

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEAOPLE

POOOOOR PEOAPLE

[Anonymous No.5384163]

You know what else tastes just like beef and chicken? Beef and chicken.

I bet they're cheaper too, and contain better macros

[Anonymous No.5385066]

>>5384147
Seriously answer my question

[Anonymous No.5385070]

>>5383994
What's a today show?

[Anonymous No.5385090]

The only impressive aspect of Beyond Meat is its texture. It actually looks and behaves like chicken, and you can peel off little strips just like you could from an actual chicken breast. It's pretty cool.

Of course, it still tastes horrible.

[Anonymous No.5385096]

>>5384141
"Chicken" nuggets. Only in the Land of the free could this be considered acceptable

[Anonymous No.5385106]

>>5383994
I very seriously doubt that they weren't paid to play dumb and say they "couldn't tell the difference".

[Anonymous No.5385108]

>>5383994

Seriously, why do we as a human race need to stop eating meat? What's the moral imperative?

You breed an animal, give it a comfortable life and a quick death. That's all any organism can ask for. What's wrong with that?

Moreover, we should focus on not annihilating other members of the human race before we fuck with the idea of saving the animals. Just saying.

Not really seeing good ethical arguments behind vegetarianism. Obviously factory farms are brutal and should be abolished. But what of proper farms with integrity? Is something wrong there?

[Anonymous No.5385109]

>>5384163
>macros
Sup /fit/? How many grams of oats did you eat today? I hope you didn't put 16 raisins instead of 15 in your oatmeal today, cause that would be cheating.

[Anonymous No.5385111]

>>5385108

it comes down to personifying animals... they think animals have emotions like humans so they go "oh, no... how would YOU like to live in a cage... blah blah blah"

well, i wouldn't... but I'm not a fuckin pig or cow.

[Anonymous No.5385117]

>>5385111

Nice trips.

Yeah, if my needs were simple like that of a cow, I would sure as hell be happy to live in a fenced-in area of grass on which to graze. The needs of humans are much higher level. So obviously we don't take well to such a limitation. Vegetarians use their made-up terms like "speciesist" to label my view, but theirs is pretty bunk.

[Anonymous No.5385144]

>>5385108
Lab grown "meat" is going to be less expensive than the real thing, as it shortcuts the whole animal lifecycle. We can also produce only the best quality cuts at the exact same price.

Which is all that is needed to make most people stop eating meat, or just heavily cut down on it.

[Anonymous No.5385150]

>>5385144
I'd switch if it was:
cheaper than meat
Tasted exactly like meat
Had the same exact texture of meat
Cooked the same as meat
Looked the same as meat
Gave the same nutritional benefits as meat
stored for as long or longer than meat
and was completely indistinguishable from meat in every other way

[Anonymous No.5385160]

>>5385150

would you switch if it was a perfect replica, but still cost the same amount?

[Anonymous No.5385164]

>>5385160
No.

[Anonymous No.5385169]

>>5385164

What is it with you people? Vegetarians might be annoying sometimes but at least they're trying to do good. Meat eaters like you are just selfish and petulant, like children.

[Anonymous No.5385171]

>>5385169

[Anonymous No.5385175]

>>5385171

You're misusing that image. It's supposed to be used in reference to discussions of popular media.

[Anonymous No.5385177]

>>5385175

[Anonymous No.5385191]

>>5385169
I don't understand your assertion, how are vegetarians by defintion of being "vegetarian" trying to do good. So what your asserting is that anyone that's not a vegetarian is evil and trying to do bad?

Go back to third grade English you fucking freak job, just go away. Of course I know that you wont but you'll still be useless scumbags with pushing a useless agenda.

[Anonymous No.5385221]

>>5385177
fuckin lol

[Anonymous No.5385322]

Alton Brown approves as well:
http://www.wired.com/2013/09/fakemeat/

[Anonymous No.5385326]

>>5385108
>Farms with integrity

There are way too many undercover videos of "humane" farms. Even certified humane farms have abusive practices that are standard, such as taking babies from their mothers soon after birth repeatedly, grinding up or suffocating all the male chicks, etc.

But even if you could somehow trust any farm (tough since it's pretty impossible to respect animals that you are killing for profit, knowing there is no actual need), it is extremely unsustainable. Imagine all the billions of factory farmed animals being raised in open spaces. It's not going to happen... And it still is environmentally destructive. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/opinion/the-myth-of-sustainable-meat.html

The world is going to have to heavily cut down on its animal product consumption.

[Anonymous No.5385328]

>>5385108
>give it a comfortable life and a quick death

1) Do the big meat companies even pretend that this is what happens to the animals they raise?
2) It's not physically possible for Tyson Foods to sleep with you. There's no point whiteknighting them on the internet.

[Anonymous No.5385496]

Is good morning america all blacks?

[Anonymous No.5385500]

I hate it how tumblr SJWs talk about humanely raised meat. I hope my meat got raped. Probably tastes better, dumb bitches. Even though you can't taste the difference and it's all placebo.

[Anonymous No.5385502]

>>5385328
Tysons keeps costs down. That is what I want for them to do.
Wasting a bunch of money on ill conceived humane changes is retarded and I am glad they resist it.
You are the one white knighting Chump

[Anonymous No.5385511]

I'll eat more non-meat proteins when they are A) Cheaper, and B) Tastier.
I like tofu, especially in Asian dishes, but I'll be damned if I'm going to give myself gyno trying to hit my macros.

[Anonymous No.5385517]

>>5385511

Non meat proteins are already much cheaper than meat.

[Anonymous No.5385531]

>>5385517
Not per gram of protein. Sure, I can get a pound of beans cheaper than a pound of chicken, but that pound of chicken has way more protein in it. I don't feel like having to drink 4 SCOOP CUM ON in order to get enough protein for the day.

[Anonymous No.5385534]

And of course a commercial television network would never lie. Or advertise, as they call it.

[Anonymous No.5385535]

>>5385500
>being this edgy
ahahahahahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.5385537]

>>5385096
>still thinking this is true

[Anonymous No.5385538]

>>5385534
Find evidence that they were being paid or otherwise coerced into supporting this company and rigging the "blind taste test".

[Anonymous No.5385539]

>>5385531
Unless you are a professional lifter or body builder, you don't have to worry about getting as much protein as possible.

[Anonymous No.5385546]

I don't give a shit about what these faggots think, they're paid to say that shit anyways.

[Anonymous No.5385548]

>>5385538

All the evidence you need is the taste of Beyond Meat. Feel free to go out and get some.

But I wish for your sake that you would just trust me, there's no need to inflict that pain on yourself.

[Anonymous No.5385551]

>>5385548
Thanks for conceding the argument, anon-kun :)

[Anonymous No.5385559]

>>5385551

Not even the guy you were talking to before, I'm just saying Beyond Meat tastes like shit and you'd need a disabled palate to confuse it with the genuine article.

[Anonymous No.5385561]

>>5385538
you've clearly never eaten any of this shit. it doesn't taste like real meat at all

[Anonymous No.5385564]

>>5385561
>>5385559
I am sure that you two have never actually had it, but are saying such things because you have no data to support your argument.

You will probably get defensive and even delude yourself into thinking you did eat it and "how dare he question me, he cannot possibly know" for the next few posts.

[Anonymous No.5385569]

>>5384018
>zero pallet.
This guy again.

Palate kid. That's the roof of your mouth, the soft palate, and a term for your taste for food.

A "pallet" is a wooden platform for stacking, transporting or storing containers of boxes and such.

[Anonymous No.5385574]

>>5385564
i'm sure that YOU haven't had it, I have had it because i was a vegetarian for a few years because my gf made me. all meat substitutes suck, except for tofu (if you consider it one)

[Anonymous No.5385583]

the chicken is convincing, but breast meat is the plainest thing in the world so I'm not surprised
but real chicken titty are alas cheaper

[Anonymous No.5385586]

>>5385574
>I have had it because i was a vegetarian for a few years because my gf made me

If you're going to try trolling him, at least make it believable.

[Anonymous No.5385588]

You know how they did this shit?
They cooked the meat to resemble the fake meat.
Added all the same spices. Over cooked the fuck out of it till it was a hockey puck.
The real test would be putting it up against a glorious half pound rare burger.
No way it would pass muster.

[Anonymous No.5385596]

>>5385586
>i'm a pitiful fuck so everyone else must be one too

[Anonymous No.5385603]

>>5385574
>i was a vegetarian for a few years because my gf made me.
lol'd

When were you vegetarian bro?

[Anonymous No.5385609]

>>5385531

>lb of pinto beans
approx 97g protein
approx $1.48

~78 grams protein/dollar

>lb of chicken breast
approx 96g protein
approx $3.47

~28 grams protein/dollar

sources:
http://www.bls.gov/ro3/apmw.htm
http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-beans-pinto-mature-seeds-i16042
http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-chicken-i72163

I guess if you were trying to eat >150 grams per day like some sort of /fit/izen lunatic you'd still want meat, though. If only to keep your total calorie count down

[Anonymous No.5385617]

>>5385596
>>5385574
I have had chicks try to make me vegetarian before.
They get the old fuck and dump from me every time.

[Anonymous No.5385623]

>>5385617
i'm a fucking beta and wasn't about to give up my only chance at a gf just so i could eat meat.

point remains: there is literally not a single fake meat that tastes anything like the real thing.

[Anonymous No.5385626]

>>5385569
I'm not that guy, but I'm probably the guy you're thinking of who made that mistake with auto correct on his phone a week ago.

[Anonymous No.5385629]

>>5384018
I guess you would know trust fund baby

[Anonymous No.5385630]

>>5385623
How long ago did you stop being a vegetarian?

[Anonymous No.5385633]

>>5385096
You realize mcdonalds exists all over the world right?

[Anonymous No.5385635]

>>5385630
about 2 years ago, why?

[Anonymous No.5385637]

>>5384163
And no fiber. And some saturated fats to go to your ass.

[Anonymous No.5385638]

>>5385633
>No. of McDonald's restaurants
>#1 America: 14,146
>#2 Japan: 3,096

[Anonymous No.5385639]

Why does this shit sell? It's relatively expensive, and pretty disappointing. Plenty of great veg recipes that taste good without mock meat. Plenty of good savoury game stuff like mushroom stew too.

[Anonymous No.5385641]

>>5385638
>Land mass of America
>Land mass of Japan

Fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.5385642]

>>5385635
Beyond Meat has changed their products significantly since then.

[Anonymous No.5385647]

I'm not really o board because of moral reasons or any of that jazz. I'm just concerned about sustainability and costs in the long term. If you can make a cow fruit that tastes the same as a cow but costs far less to produce in mass then go for it. We need to consider our growing lack of land.

[Anonymous No.5385651]

>>5385191
Not him but you're being stubborn as fuck if you require it to be cheaper if it's the fucking same in every way.

[Anonymous No.5385655]

>>5385651
Why the fuck would you not want it to be cheaper? Even if it's the same in every way I'd still want the real thing if they cost the same.

[Anonymous No.5385659]

>>5385574
>because my gf made me

Yeah sure thing you fuckin teenager

[Anonymous No.5385662]

>>5385647
We've got that covered, ever see the living conditions in factory farming? Efficient.

[Anonymous No.5385664]

>>5385655
Do you not get the concept of "it's the same in every conceivable way"? The only difference is it was lab grown.

[Anonymous No.5385671]

>>5385664
I don't fucking care, I want the real thing.

[Anonymous No.5385672]

>>5385662
Well we have to build up. Its a lot easier to manage plants in a sort of multi story farming complex than animals.

[Anonymous No.5385694]

>>5385662
>Efficient
If by efficient you mean "reliant on subsidies".

[Anonymous No.5385699]

>>5385641
Yeah, that must be it lol

[Anonymous No.5385711]

>>5385699
Sarcasm and irony can't save you now. You can see the statistics of their land mass and population and determine that McDonalds is not just a U.S. phenomena. Its ratio is incredibly high in Japan as well. Only third world countries haven't embraced it.

[Anonymous No.5385732]

>>5385664

Does it prevent you from developing mental illness, cancer, or allergies like eating meat does?

Sauce: http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&representation=PDF

[Anonymous No.5385779]

>>5385574

WHIPPED

[Anonymous No.5385790]

>>5385574
>i was a vegetarian for a few years because my gf made me

[Anonymous No.5385802]

>>5385671
>I want the real thing.
The real thing kills the environment, fucks over our health, and almost always involves animal cruelty. So if there was a great substitute I'd eat it in a heartbeat.

[Anonymous No.5385805]

>>5385609
>approx $3.47

Where are you paying $3.50 a pound for chicken breast?

[Anonymous No.5385832]

>>5385802
But why should I care what happens to other animals? I certainly don't care about their life cycles outside of human affairs.

[Anonymous No.5385850]

>>5384009
its because to goverment wats to convience people to stop eating meat because the prices are the highest in 50 years.
As a meat eater you should be happy there is people stupid enough to buy this

[Anonymous No.5385853]

>>5385805
I know, i pay like a buck fifty

[Anonymous No.5385854]

>>5384112
vegans used left peoples votes to infiltrate the goverment. They may or not care about other left issues but they are using theyr influence to push for veganism and all kinds of anti meat propaganda and programs, etc.

[Anonymous No.5385858]

>>5385854

lol

I hope you actually believe that

[Anonymous No.5385862]

>>5385177
i laughed

[Anonymous No.5385871]

>>5385802
something something global warming
something something same sex marriage

[Anonymous No.5385873]

> I like the taste of meat, but I don't like killing animals


When you're eating meatless bacon that tastes just like bacon, you're imagining the sweet succulent source from which it should have come. Don't think yourself morally smug for getting around and finding a way to eat the forbidden fruit without getting kicked out of eden.

[Anonymous No.5385877]

>>5385858
belive what that you people would do anything as long as obama told you its cool.
Yes i belive that

[Anonymous No.5385887]

>>5385873
Division of labour. Don't act like smug fuck just because you don't see the immigrants picking vegetables in your place.

[Anonymous No.5385889]

>>5385877
>belive what that you people would do anything as long as obama told you its cool.

The sad thing is English is probably your only language :(

Good luck...

[Anonymous No.5385896]

>>5385889
yo hablo espanol muy bien senior muchas gracias
it makes sense that you feel empathy towards cows since people in your country are pretty much cattle

[Anonymous No.5385904]

>>5385896
>since people in your country are pretty much cattle

Really, cattle and not sheeple? I have a hard time keeping up with your edgy generalizations.

At least you posted a complete sentence this time.

[Anonymous No.5385907]

if they can make it work, good. i've tasted some vegan meat before. there was something called mushroom meat that i thought was indistinguishable from a thai vegan restaurant. i've also had fake ham that left a chemical taste in my mouth and no amount of condiments could fix.

[Anonymous No.5385908]

>>5385904
sheep arent as disgusting as you people

[Anonymous No.5385914]

>>5385908
>you people

Americans? Voters? People who can read?

What "you people" do you hate so violently?

[Anonymous No.5385917]

>>5385662
Still need the land to grow their food

[Anonymous No.5385923]

>>5385914
yes.
If i was an american i would refuse to vote for those people so every american voter

[Anonymous No.5385924]

>Avarage guy: Buy regular meat
Another animal is born. No change in avarage quality of life for farm animals.

>Good guy: Buy higher priced cruelty free meat:
Another animal is born. Avarage quality of life for farm animals is improved.

>???: Do not buy meat
No animal is born. No change in quality of life for still living farm animals, but one step closer to eternal silence. Life will torment them no longer!

[Anonymous No.5385927]

>>5385908
Sheep have big balls

[Anonymous No.5385929]

>>5385923

Maybe you should start a thread on /trv/ about how you want to "get off this sinking ship" and how can you be a white god in (country you've never been to).

[Anonymous No.5385933]

>>5385924
hunter: Animal is born and dies and experiences life as intended. Experiences a briefer suffering than factory flesh

[Anonymous No.5385934]

>>5383994
they'll tell when they develop stomach cancer in three months

[Anonymous No.5385938]

>>5385929
you are the one who kept asking questions.
Dont ask questions if you dont want to know the answers, there is plenty of people for around the world in this site. Its not exclusive to americans

[Anonymous No.5385949]

>school
>some girl is doing a presentation on something
>wasn't really paying attention
>she hands out cookies to the class
>I eat mine
>something's off about it...
>it's unusually dry and crunchy
>almost like its stale
>take a tiny bite and it explodes into crumbs and dust in my mouth
>not much flavor either
>more like a thick round cracker than a cookie
>is this even real chocolate?
>I eat the whole thing, but I wouldn't want seconds
>later on the girl says half the cookies she gave out were vegan, half were non-vegan
>she smiles contently and says none of us noticed
>mfw

[Anonymous No.5385957]

>>5385949
did you ever eat kosher chocolate?
i had the same experience with it

[Anonymous No.5385959]

>>5385949
Too bad you didn't get the vegan one.

[Anonymous No.5385974]

>>5385070
What is Google?

[Anonymous No.5385982]

They either don't have functioning tongues or they are fucking lying. Beyond Meat tastes exactly like what it is, TVP and pea flour with spices. The texture is admittedly pretty similar (they use a process similar to how they make immitation crab from white fish puree), but outside of that you absolutely know it's not meat.

[Anonymous No.5385984]

>>5384022
>Reality has a well-known liberal bias
Facts don't though.

[Anonymous No.5385991]

>>5385933

The hunter ends a life that would otherwise have been lived to its fullest. The farmer ends a life that would not have existed without its predetermined purpose. If you consider the hunter to be a friend of animals, can you point to any individual animal whose life he has improved? The farmer can point to any animal under his care, because they would starve without him.

Cattle can not escape the conditions of their existance any more than us humans can. If an alien race came to us and decided to extinguish our sun because our lives are short, pointless, and painful compared to theirs: would you appreciate their kindness or would you rather keep the tiny scrap of a life you have?

[Anonymous No.5386012]

>>5385991
>lived to its fullest
with zero thoughts or emotions or reflection or satisfaction or anything but base urges and instincts

[Anonymous No.5386019]

>>5385984
checkmeat

[Anonymous No.5386066]

>>5385574
You realize Beyond Meat is a very new product, right?

....Are people actually this fucked in the head that they make up stories to defend their shitty habits, or are you guys paid by the animal agriculture industry?

[Anonymous No.5386069]

>>5386066
I had it a year ago at whole foods in Las Vegas. Not that new.

[Anonymous No.5386070]

>>5385635
LOL. BEYOND MEAT DIDN'T EVEN EXIST THEN YOU SHAMELESS LYING PIECE OF SHIT.

Came out like, last year. lol.

[Anonymous No.5386071]

>>5386012
I don't care about the deer, just pointing out the flawed logic of stopping animal cruelty with animal genocide. You can actually help animals by buying meat from those who treat their animals well, not buying meat doesn't help any animal. There will only be less animals born because you're not part of the market, which you don't have to see as bad but it's morbid to see it as good for the animal. As for actually existing animals they are not better off because of vegans.

[Anonymous No.5386073]

>>5386069
A year ago is pretty damn new.

[Anonymous No.5386076]

>>5386071
http://www.peacefulprairie.org/PPS-Lit/Farming_Screen.pdf

You're extremely naive. Even certified humane farms routinely abuse their animals. Then abuse is often accidental on top of that (such as improper stunning which means the animals will be skinned and dismembered fully conscious). They all end up at the same shitty slaughterhouses.

[Anonymous No.5386080]

It's processed vegetable product made to taste like meat.


No thank you.

[Anonymous No.5386097]

>>5385633
You know there are Amerifats all over the world too bro

[Anonymous No.5386141]

>>5386076
But it is better than non-certified farms, and that is the only thing to compare it with. Pointing out that there is suffering doesn't refute me, you have to come with a better solution than I to lessen it.

Empathy is important but feeling their suffering doesn't make it yours. You might feel better that you're a vegan and not part of this, but you're like a mother who leaves the room when the drunken father beats their child. Animals are suffering just as much as they were before, why do you feel better?

[Anonymous No.5386154]

>>5386141
I'm increasing the demand for vegan products. making it so veganism will become more available to others. Lessening the demand for animal products. I also spread awareness of the issues and get other people to go vegan as well. I've personally talked with grocery store owners, restaurant owners, and I've e-mailed countless companies. I've sent e-mails and phone calls to representatives and I've talked with farmers to improve practices. Trust me, I wish I could do a lot more and I feel guilty every second I'm not working to end it.

Why do you feel justified when you try to degrade people who are striving for a more peaceful world?

[Anonymous No.5386160]

>>5383994
If it tastes like meat, it will probably be much cheaper and much more efficient for fast food companies to use this instead of regular meat.

I expect to see this used a lot within a few years.

[Anonymous No.5386168]

>>5385328

I'm the guy you're responding to, I don't buy or eat Tyson products, simple as that. If you're a little resourceful, you can find ethically raised meat.

[Anonymous No.5386169]

>>5386168
No...

[Anonymous No.5386182]

>>5383994
I've tried this before. It really does taste almost exactly like Chicken. Remarkable really. It's only when you cook it really intensely in a grill that you can taste the difference, but really subtle as well.

peasants would not know the difference/

I wonder how they do it.

[Anonymous No.5386193]

>>5386154
Not that guy, but we don't have to agree with what you're doing. I see Jehovah's Witnesses out on the streets everyday convinced that if people don't convert they're going to live the afterlife in extremist suffering. I personally don't believe animal rights has any bearing on humans so I'm not obliged to support whatever it is that you do.

[Anonymous No.5386226]

>>5386154
>Why do you feel justified when you try to degrade people who are striving for a more peaceful world?
"Only the dead have seen the end of war"

As the meat industry shrinks so does the number of farm animals. I don't see how you and other vegans are doing anything else than snuffing out life: NO ONE ANIMAL IS SUFFERING ANY LESS BECAUSE YOU ARE A VEGAN.

I don't doubt your empathy, but I am noticing you do not see animals as individuals. That is absurd because only individuals can suffer. You are well meaning but because of this you reason like a genocidal maniac: "removing all animals that are suffering makes animals happier!"

Imagine I'm a cow, try to explain to me how you are helping me by becoming a vegan. Keeping in mind that you stopped funding my food and shelter and want to prevent me and my family from having offspring until our species is all but extinct.

[Anonymous No.5386243]

is there really a market for fake meat? most of the vegetarians or vegans I know do it because they dont like meat in the first place

[Anonymous No.5386403]

>>5386169

Oh, ok. My bad.

[Anonymous No.5386924]

>>5386012
>with zero thoughts or emotions or reflection or satisfaction or anything but base urges and instincts
Says the fat retard on 4chan.

Describe your life for us, I'm sure it is far more pathetic than that of a deer. At least they get laid.

[Anonymous No.5387945]

>>5385974
Nice, I don't watch yammering hens. So again I ask, what's a today show?

Is that supposed to matter to any normal person or just some weirdo that watches TV all day?

I bet that you'll be a proper clinton voter.

[Anonymous No.5387951]

>>5385974
Must be a really great show if instead of explaining what it is you have to direct me to google... so it's really a bunch of yammering hens. Why would anyone in their right mind watch that shit?

TV is really lame and they know it, they're just filling time between commercials as been for about 50 years now. Now though other technologies are putting them to shame... that is... no commercials.

[Anonymous No.5387952]

>>5385096
It's ground meat. What do you expect ground meat + various other ingredient to look like?

[Anonymous No.5387977]

>what is this?
Beef
>what is in it?
Beef

>ok, then what is this?
Beyond Meat Beef™
>what is in it?
Water, non-GMO pea protein isolate, non-GMO expeller-pressed canola oil, beef flavor (yeast extract, maltodextrin, natural flavoring, salt, sunflower oil, onion powder), rice flour, tomato powder, caramel color, contains 0.5% or less of: calcium sulfate, evaporated cane juice, potassium chloride, oregano, dried marjoram, ground basil, lemon juice concentrate, citric acid, black pepper, salt, dried thyme, dried rosemary, red chili pepper flakes, onion extract, garlic extract.

[Anonymous No.5387981]

>>5385854
>used left peoples votes to infiltrate the goverment

do you realize that's how democracy works?
>the president used peoples votes to infiltrate the goverment

Get your head out of the /pol/gutter

[Anonymous No.5387984]

>>5386226
>so does the number of farm animals
so what?

[Anonymous No.5387991]

>>5383994
If that's actually true, it's impressive. I suspect it isn't though.

Or rather I suspect that it might be a good enough fake to fool people under certain circumstances, and the show was carefully set up to use only those circumstances.

[Anonymous No.5387998]

>>5385535
Being overly edgy is still better than being politically correct leftist sjw.

Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.5388008]

Why would you want to pretend to eat something you're ethically against eating?

I won't eat dog, but I don't go and buy imitation dog meat.

[Anonymous No.5388243]

>>5388008
thats because dog probabaly tastes like shit. even vegetarians know how awesome a fat juicy steak is

[Anonymous No.5388312]

>>5388008
How many imitation dogs have you killed for that imitation dog meat?

[uguu~ No.5388318]

>marketing

[Anonymous No.5388319]

>>5384020

>badmouthing tenderloin

Poorfag detected.

[Anonymous No.5388495]

>>5388312
Roughly 5

[Anonymous No.5388505]

Why do veggies want to eat something that tastes like meat when they dont like meat?
I cant wrap my mind around it.

[Anonymous No.5388508]

>>5388505
They miss their old ways and think it's merely a psychological thing.

[Anonymous No.5388518]

>>5385511
>gyno

I heard from a California hippie that this 'fake meat' from plants also give you man-titties

We already know that over-consuming certain vegetables (mostly soy) leads to more estrogen and results in man-titties (gynecomastia)

So I'm assuming we'll have a few generations of children with man-tits for the sake of our environment?

[Anonymous No.5388529]

>>5387977
There's ZERO CHANCE this will ever be kosher
also,
> beef flavour
> caramel colour
> calcium sulfate
No thank you, this thing will give you cancer

[Anonymous No.5388540]

>>5388518

The claims that soy gives you manboobs are poorly substantiated, and in any case that's specific to soy. Soy is what 1970s-era hippie vegans ate because people hadn't figured out how to source anything else. "Meat substitutes" are seen as a quaint throwback to anyone who lives in a decent city.

I eat meat about 3-4x a month and the rest of my protein comes from dairy and plant sources. I rarely eat anything containing soy, I get by pretty well with lentils, chickpeas, and other kinds of beans.

[Anonymous No.5388545]

>>5388529
>this thing will give you cancer
pushing the cancer maymay a bit hard aren't you?

[Anonymous No.5388552]

>>5385096
>meat slurry pressed into shape
>unacceptable
I don't get it.

Might as well stop eating cake, or eggs.

[Anonymous No.5388556]

>>5385144
>Which is all that is needed to make most people stop eating meat, or just heavily cut down on it.
But it's still meat.

[Anonymous No.5388557]

>>5388540
Then you're the ideal case of being meat-conscious, thank you.

A while ago I read lots of articles about children who eat too many hot dogs (containing lots of soy) were getting boobies.

I'm sure another reason for their boobies was the fact that they all drank tons of sugar sodas.

[Anonymous No.5388562]

>>5385538
>tv literally exists to advertise products
>T-T-THESE GUYS AREN'T SH-SHILLING, I PROOOOOOOMISE

[Anonymous No.5388563]

>>5388505
Don't try. They're morons that like to be fooled by things like tofurky. TOFURKY? WTF!

They're mentally deficiant in the first place so don't lower yourself to their standards. Once you realise that they have a mental problem then you'll stop trying to understand them. Kind of like trannies. LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME.

Ok right.

[Anonymous No.5388568]

>>5388562
It could be worse, it could be shillary clinton shilling her socialism.

[Anonymous No.5388573]

>>5388568
The Clintons are as corporatist and establishment as they come. They care about Wall Street, big business, and lawyers, Everyone else can fuck off and die to people like that.
Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are where it's at.

[Anonymous No.5388574]

>>5388568
vegetarian/vegan diet is part of the plan though
in 20 years tops, meat will only be for the privileged party members

[Anonymous No.5388578]

>>5385169
HURR DURR

[Anonymous No.5388584]

>>5387977
Wait... will this be more expensive or less expensive than regular meat (beef/chicken/pork)?

Cost is going to be a huge factor here, I'm not so sure about this thing.

It'll require much more lab treatment and chemicals/flavorings during production. I'm assuming it'll not be a blank slate either you can use for multiple dishes.

[Anonymous No.5388585]

>>5388573

This guy knows what's up

>>5388568

You're a moron

[Anonymous No.5388590]

>>5385887
I sit on my porch and watch them toil.

I'll throw half eaten tomatoes into the yard.

[Anonymous No.5388597]

>>5385927
el grande cojones

[Lumen !iiSURE90Gg No.5388599]

>>5388585
Those two and Al Franken need to find their way into the executive branch.

[Anonymous No.5388603]

>>5388584
A niche product for upper-middle class liberal arts majors that can't summon up the willpower to be real vegans?

Take a wild guess.

[Anonymous No.5388607]

>>5387977

[Anonymous No.5388609]

>>5388603
I want to know if this thing ends up in McDonalds at some point

[Anonymous No.5388633]

>>5388607
now do that for every ingredient in the beyond meat shit
retard

[Anonymous No.5388636]

>>5388574
It's because the privileged are so well invested in companies like monsatan and other monocropping farmers that it would be silly for them to not push their agenda as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.5388641]

>>5388609
No idea, I'm rather fond of Burger Kings bean patties as a change of pace, can't imagine them going "mainstream" though.

Not unless they get the vegemeat plants very effective, in which case the more likely course will be them creating 3 types of patty.
A "normal" one where there's just enough real beef mixed in to let it be legally labelled as beef
A 100% Beef patty at premium price
And a All vegetarian version somewhere between the two.

[Anonymous No.5388841]

>>5388008
Vegetarian here and to be honest, I'm not 100% sure myself. It's sort of like ecigs I guess, it's not cigarettes but you're not home free just yet.

What I hate though is places where almost all if not all of their shit is just a meat dish but with fake meat in it's place. The best vegetarian dishes celebrate what vegetarian foods have to offer not wishing it were a meat dish.

[Anonymous No.5389337]

>>5388633
don't wanna
but it won't be much longer of a list

[Anonymous No.5390566]

>>5388636
You realize Monsanto profits the most from animal agriculture, right? It would make absolutely no sense for them to advocate veganism...

Are you kidding?

[Anonymous No.5391375]

Oh, just like how 4/5 dentists claim Colgate to be the best toothpaste?
I saw it in a nonbiased Colgate-commercial, they wouldn't lie, would they?

[Anonymous No.5391390]

>be a vegetarian
>still want to eat meat
why even be a vegetarian?

[Anonymous No.5391393]

>>5390566
Some people are retarded and will say anything to "prove" their perspective.

[Anonymous No.5391410]

1. Does it taste like meat?
2. Does it have the texture of meat?
3. Does it provide protein and other good shit
4. Is it either a) healthier or b) cheaper than real meat?

If it passes those questions then sure I would eat it no problem

[Anonymous No.5391431]

>>5385326
/thread

[Anonymous No.5391501]

>>5391410
make seitan
it takes a bit of effort but it can be made pretty analogous to meat and I prefer it to 90% of sausage I can readily get around here unless I want to spend bigger than I prefer.

[Anonymous No.5391539]

>>5391501

fuck yo satan

>at an event where they only have vegetarian option (seitan)
>I'm at least bold enough to try it
>very disappoint
> rubbery
>no taste

>on my way home stop off for a philly cheese steak

[Anonymous No.5391589]

>>5388008
because
most vegetarians weren't born vegetarians
and
no naturally occurring plant food tastes like meat

[Anonymous No.5391593]

>>5388518
this stuff is made of pea protein i think. pea protein also makes for some awesome protein powder

[Anonymous No.5391603]

>>5387977
the only thing bothersome in that list is calcium sulfate, potassium chloride, and the caramel coloring and even those are common ingredients in processed foods.

[Anonymous No.5391608]

>>5391539
make it yourself
you pick the texture yourself nigga.
Shoot, don't judge based on one shite experience. Like saying one mcdicks burger means all burgers are shit.

[Anonymous No.5393523]

Has anyone bought any of this stuff? How much does it cost? Haven't seen any prices online

[Anonymous No.5393920]

>>5385108
>But what of proper farms with integrity?
Well, if we're all eating meat, the majority of the farms cannot be ethical. Economics.

Even on a nice farm, though it's not perfect. Animals are going to suffer. If there's no demand for meat, those animals will not exist and therefore cannot suffer.

[Anonymous No.5393922]

>>5385111
You wouldn't personify a dog? You don't think dogs have emotions? Pigs are smarter than dogs, on average.

[Anonymous No.5393928]

>>5383994
>implying they aren't told to say that
>implying they have any palate
>implying they know how to cook/cooking technique
>implying they have enough knowledge of food manufacturing to make an informed decision about it and preach it to a national audience
>implying people aren't being led around by the nose by lobbists, advertisers, and food labs.

Fuck, it makes me sick.

[Anonymous No.5393930]

>>5393922
If pigs were people, they would be serial killers. Remember that.

[Anonymous No.5393932]

>>5387977
a meat substitute has ingredients, gasp.

[Anonymous No.5393938]

>>5385096
muh pink slime
Mcdonalds is shit. Chicken nuggets are garbage because its leftover chicken slung in a food grinder. Not "pink slime", that is just sensational bullshit. Its just that same one picture over and over with no actual evidence. They even show tour groups how nuggets are made, none of it includes pink anything.
Also, if you cant tell the difference between chicken and soy beef flavored shit, you should have been naturally selected. They are lying probably. Except the women, they are too stupid to know any better.

[Anonymous No.5393943]

>>5393938
go back to /r9k/, schweinhund.

[Anonymous No.5393963]

i'm a hardcore carnivore but i have a soft spot for those spicy black bean burgers you get in the vegan section of the frozen food area. i double up on 'em, ketchup and mustard on wheat.

sheeeeiiiiiiiiiittttt

[Anonymous No.5393983]

>>5383994
>3 out of 5 are niggers

I want off this wild ride.

[Anonymous No.5394000]

>>5393963
I'm a hardcore vegan but I can't understand why people like those black bean burgers. It's always meat eaters who like them it seems like too. But there are way better vegan burgers in my opinion.

They're not horrible. But I've only ever had them once and will never again.

[Anonymous No.5395824]

>>5385175
>You're misusing that image.
>actually having autism

[Anonymous No.5395826]

Who the fuck watches the Today show?

What the fuck is wrong with you harlots? Fucking get off your fat ass and stop watching day time TV. Or at least watch good shit like The Price is Right and.....and...that's it.

Fuck you

[Anonymous No.5395834]

>>5385850

>the goverment wants to convience people to stop eating meat

You'd think they'd start by not handing billions of dollars of taxpayer money to the meat industry every year in the form of subsidies

[Anonymous No.5395847]

>>5385108

>You breed an animal, give it a comfortable life and a quick death. That's all any organism can ask for. What's wrong with that?

You would be fine if your parents killed you around age 18?

[Anonymous No.5395864]

>>5393930
Also pigs reproduce entirely by either artificial insemination or rape, they even evolved puzzle vaginas and extendomatic penises in the sexual arms race

[Anonymous No.5395867]

>>5395826
> shit like The Price is Right

you mean that 30-minute long commercial of random hair cleaning products and weird vacation packages sponsered by shit-tier travel agencies?

love the price is right! just like I love Transformers... oh wait im just a product of uncontrollable capitalism....

Mom can you buy me a soul please? I swear I won't ask for any presents for the next THREE YEARS

[Anonymous No.5395895]

>>5395834
>billions of dollars of taxpayer money to the meat industry every year in the form of subsidies
72% of US agro-subsidies goes to grain and soy, with the majority of the rest going to cotton.

[Anonymous No.5395899]

>>5395895
You are now aware that subsidizing cheap corn enables the rampant over production of meat thus distorting the market and inflating meat company profits

[Anonymous No.5395900]

>>5395895
The majority of soy and grains in America are actually fed to livestock, not people.

[Anonymous No.5395904]

>>5395895

Most subsidies go to meat production, the second highest subsidized foods are feed crops that are used solely for feeding meat animals

[Anonymous No.5395905]

>>5384112
>what does sucking cock have to do with being a faggot?

[Anonymous No.5395907]

>>5395905
So republicans are fatties who think eating lots of fast food makes them carnivorous, strong men?

[Anonymous No.5395915]

>>5395904
>herp derp it's all meat
*turns around*
>herp derp it's all to pesticide companies

Well, faggot?

[Anonymous No.5395922]

>>5385144
>Lab grown "meat" is going to be less expensive than the real thing
Unlikely. You can't feed vat-meat silage and grain, you must feed it refined carbs, amino-acids and fats, which are all (comparatively) expensive.

[Anonymous No.5395948]

>>5395915

What you're saying I said, I did not say. I don't know what you're trying to argue now, but the point presented and proven is that billions of dollars are given to the meat industry, with an additional point being that the majority of government food subsidies go to meat

[Anonymous No.5395951]

>>5395904

fucking DAIRY????

when will this fad of drinking milk DIE??

dairy's not fucking good for you. eat a tablespoon of butter and a glass of water and you got the same thing. wtf... man. milk is gross unless its still warm from the uder.

[Anonymous No.5395957]

>>5385639
>Plenty of good savoury game stuff like mushroom stew too.
Yeah, but mushrooms are healthy and don't fuck-up the goyim's endocrine system and lower their fertility

[Anonymous No.5395962]

>>5395951

>when will this fad of drinking milk DIE??

For most of us, it died when we were about a year old. There's still some weirdos out there who never gave it up, except now instead of drinking their mother's breast milk they have to steal breast milk from other species

[Anonymous No.5395974]

>>5395962

I know, right? but it's a huge conspiracy. Milk is absolutely worthless nutrition wise and if anything just causes ganstro problems.

Some fuckers made some really good commercials back in the day, then these other fuckers started drinking 2-3 cups of milk every day!

Man i buy milk once a fucking month! And thats just to make crepes and shit. I dont eat cereal and i dont drink glasses of milk. Fucking weak dude. The milk, not me. Don't listen to the commercials - milk doesn't give you stronger bones.

[Anonymous No.5395981]

>>5395974
>falling for anti-milk propeganda this fucking hard
>not taking a single glance of the history of bovine agriculture

And you people think you're smarter than others lol

[Anonymous No.5395982]

>>5395974
I don't even drink milk everyday, but I use it often in my cooking. And I haven't seen anything concrete against milk drinking, other than "Oh, it's so unnatural!" This is, mind you, coming from the same people who evoke the naturalistic fallacy when omnivores talk about how we've been eating meat for thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.5395984]

>>5385802
>fucks over our health
Wrong.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0088278
>Moreover, our results showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with poorer health (higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life.

>kills the environment
Incorrect, as The Zone clearly illustrates Man is quite impotent towards the environment, the worst we can do is render an area unfit for human habitation, but this obviously makes the issue a mere matter of cost-benefit analysis, which, given the immense enjoyment meat brings, is unequivocally in the continuation of meats favor.
>and almost always involves animal cruelty
Man is an apex predator, grow a pair, faggot.

[Anonymous No.5395995]

>>5386066
>Beyond Meat
>capitalizing a brand name on a fucking anime imageboard
shill detected

[Anonymous No.5396000]

>>5395981
>falling for anti-milk propeganda this fucking hard

there's anti-milk propaganda now? lol wtf are you talking about faggot? haha... this is why i hate you and everyone on this site. you think im obsessed with the internet as much as you.....

this fag doesn't even have an opinion of his own. In fact, he doesn't even recognize an opinion when he hears it. He read what I commented, and decided "wow... that sound smard... he couldnt-of thought that himself... must be anti-milk propaganda on his Twitter and Facebook.... oh I forgot to follow my mom... shit. she's going to tag me in a bunch of passive aggressive pictures of cats.

Oh, shit! I forgot! Let's all read Chuck Palanyuk too cause i heard thats what middle school is doing now a days.

literally every single one of you is gay.

[Anonymous No.5396008]

>>5395984

Let's take a look at the comments section for that study

http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread.action?root=78839

>The same data-source (Austrian Health Interview Survey AT-HIS 2006/07) was analyzed from the same authors, but resulting in the very antithesis of this study: http://link.springer.com/......
>In the other study, published in February 2014, Nathalie T. Burkert and the other authors concluded:
>"Our results show that a vegetarian diet is associated with a better health-related behavior, a lower BMI, and a higher SES. Subjects eating a carnivorous diet less rich in meat self-report poorer health, a higher number of chronic conditions, an enhanced vascular risk, as well as lower quality of life."

The fact that you had to sift through all the vegetarian-positive studies to find an obscure Austrian survey study that contradicts itself and even the authors of it agree that their data isn't very useful or accurate, should tell you that what you want to believe most likely isn't true.

[Anonymous No.5396009]

>>5396000
Never thought that you couldn't think of it by yourself. Moreso thought that someone got high and started spewing bullshit from their mouths.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[Anonymous No.5396022]

>>5395984
that article is an altered version

which shows the opposite to be true. They even used the same source material.

I can't post the link so just google
Nutrition and health: different forms of diet and their relationship with various health parameters among Austrian adults

Univ.-Ass. Mag. Nathalie Tatjana Burkert MA,
Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Freidl,
Dr. Franziska Großschädel,
Dr. Johanna Muckenhuber,
Prof. Dr. Willibald J. Stronegger,
Prof. Dr. Éva Rásky

[Anonymous No.5396036]

Can't people just be happy with beans? I like beans.

[Anonymous No.5396040]

>>5396008
>>5396022

whatever faggots. meat tastes good and that's all that matters. fuck you, fuck the planet, fuck the animals, fuck those third world countries where they eat beans and fruit and shit.

[Anonymous No.5396042]

>>5396040
then say that, frankly I agree. But trying to wrap your selfish shit fit in a fake study so you feel better is not the way to go about it.

[Anonymous No.5396056]

>>5395904
That chart is complete bullshit, it doesn't even include cotton (#2 for gov-pork) and gives a ludicrous number for "Nut and Legumes" which would include soy and peanuts which are both HEAVILY subsided.

[Anonymous No.5396061]

>>5395974
>ganstro problems
>being a lactose-intolerant untermensch

[Anonymous No.5396069]

>>5396056

Why would it include cotton? Do you eat cotton?

[Anonymous No.5396106]

>>5396008
The paper you linked to used raw associations from the study, which (like all longitudinal studies) are thick with confounding variables, the PLOS paper was a cross-sectional study which attempts to control for these confounding variables, these results are not contradicted by the earlier study, nor do the authors "agree that their data isn't very useful or accurate", this is also consistent with the literature on the (ill) health of vegetarians.

E.g.

http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/14/4/963.long
>Vegetarians had lower median BMI than nonvegetarians (20.7 versus 21.3) and reported more often a high level of physical activity. Smoking rates were very low, with only 3.9% of vegetarians and 8.0% of nonvegetarians being smokers at the time of recruitment.

>[...]

>The reduced all-cause mortality compared with the general German population was somewhat stronger for nonvegetarians (SMR, 52; 95% CI, 44-61) than vegetarians (SMR, 62; 95% CI, 56-69)

So despite the fact that nonvegetarians were fatter, less active & had twice the rate of smoking they STILL outlived vegetarians.

[Anonymous No.5396156]

>>5396106
>>5395984

>Potential limitations of our results are due to the fact that the survey was based on cross-sectional data. Therefore, no statements can be made whether the poorer health in vegetarians in our study is caused by their dietary habit or if they consume this form of diet due to their poorer health status. We cannot state whether a causal relationship exists, but describe ascertained associations. Moreover, we cannot give any information regarding the long-term consequences of consuming a special diet nor concerning mortality rates. Thus, further longitudinal studies will be required to substantiate our results

[Anonymous No.5396173]

>>5396022
That's the same fucking paper that I posted, you imbecile.

[Anonymous No.5396193]

>>5396156
That's the nature of all longitudinal studies, shitcunt, the PLOS paper is still the stronger paper and the authors stated nothing that could possibly be conceived as "agree[ing] that their data isn't very useful or accurate"

[Anonymous No.5396197]

>>5396173
I would have posted it before you but I got hung up on the spam detection then got a call.

[Anonymous No.5396216]

>>5396193
By what measure pretty pictures?
The authors of the data said it was not, it essentially invalidates both articles. It's almost like they knew it would be used for this.

[Anonymous No.5396225]

>>5396193

>the authors stated nothing that could possibly be conceived as "agree[ing] that their data isn't very useful or accurate"

That's exactly what their whole "limitations" section is, where they explain that the data is based on a survey, doesn't come from an observed length of time, makes no mention of how long any of these people followed the diet they described their then-current diet as, makes no distinction between vegans, vegetarians, or fish-eaters, and not matched for things like fruit and vegetable intake which is what the entire study was supposed to be about in the first place.

[Anonymous No.5396232]

>>5396216
>an inherent weakness in all longitudinal studies invalidates this and only this study
Every single study that's ever shown any health benefits to vegetarianism has been a longitudinal study, you cock-gobbling retarded faggot.

It's rather clear that you're completely scientifically illiterate if you take the authors note to mean that it invalidates the paper.

[Anonymous No.5396247]

>>5396232
all of that drivel to just say "no". Nothing you've said makes the article more accurate or provides more data so it still defaults to "we don't know enough".

[Anonymous No.5396306]

>>5396247
You are aware that my original post was in reply to a claim that vegetarianism is healthier, and by now insisting that the data is inconclusive that I win the debate, correct?

Checkmate atheists.

[Anonymous No.5396342]

>>5396306

I think the issue everyone's having is that the evidence you're using to make the claim that vegetarianism isn't healthier isn't good evidence. The guy you're responding to is speaking in the context of the survey you posted, in which the data doesn't say anything that would be valuable in determining whether or not what you said is true.

[Anonymous No.5396377]

>>5396342
>evidence you're using to make the claim that vegetarianism isn't healthier isn't good evidence
I reiterate: Every single study that's ever shown any health benefits to vegetarianism has been a longitudinal study

If we accept longitudinal studies as solid evidence then I win, if we reject longitudinal studies as solid evidence then I ALSO win, as I never made a claim and only needed to show that my opponents claim was unsubstantiated.

Check and mate.

[Anonymous No.5396387]

>>5396377

>I reiterate: Every single study that's ever shown any health benefits to vegetarianism has been a longitudinal study

Well first it should be pointed out that what you posted isn't a longitudinal study, it's a cross-sectional study. None of the things that make those longitudinal studies valid sources of data is present in the cross-sectional study you posted.

[Anonymous No.5396427]

I can't believe how two-faced vegetarians are. They say you can't eat animals because they're living things with feelings, but plants are living things with feelings also.

[Anonymous No.5396441]

>>5395962
>>5395974
>>5395951

Evening, Mr. Samefag

[Anonymous No.5396462]

>>5387981
He's saying that they're piggybacking onto the votes of leftists despite the fact that the majority of them don't give a shit about the meat/vegan/vegetarian debate.

Are you fucking thick?

[Anonymous No.5396562]

>>5395867
I'm really enjoying the irony here.

[Anonymous No.5396563]

>>5395904
>Citation Needed

[Anonymous No.5396578]

Do you really want to eat science bacon?

[Anonymous No.5396595]

>>5396578
>saying no to any kind of bacon

[Anonymous No.5396597]

>>5396578
good goy!