What does /ck/ make of this? http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHEESE_FIGHT

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Anonymous Sat Mar 15 17:21:10 2014 No.5277575 [DELETED]

What does /ck/ make of this?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHEESE_FIGHT

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 16 12:03:22 2014 No.5279830 A well deserved taste of their own medicine after forcing their IP propaganda on us.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 03:01:14 2014 No.5282113

The U.S. already bowed on certain geographic indicators related to wines.

I don't think cheeses are the same, though. There is no expectation in the U.S. that a particular type of cheese (e.g., parmesan) was "made in Italy" as opposed to "made in Wisconsin". The names have become associated with the type of cheese, not with the location of origin.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 03:03:14 2014 No.5282116

BTW, the thread might get more responses if a working link to an article on the topic were posted:
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/cheese-united-states-european-union-104559.html

The one in the OP gets redirected (for me, anyway) to a generic "We are AP News" screen.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 03:40:14 2014 No.5282175

>U.S. dairy producers, cheesemakers and food companies are all fighting the idea, which they say would hurt the $4 billion domestic cheese industry and endlessly confuse consumers.

How would it confuse anything? It would remove all doubt of the authenticity of the product.

And if they think they can make cheese in Wisconsin, why do they have to hide behind European names? There should be no shame in naming cheese after its proper origin, that is unless it can't live on its own merit.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 12:40:55 2014 No.5282803

>>5282113
>I don't think cheeses are the same, though.
They kind of are though, names like Parmesan (originally Parmigiano or Parmigiano-Reggiano) and Gorgonzola are actually depicting the place where its made... Just like Bordeaux wines.

They either come from that place or they don't. Opening it up for everyone in the world to use only opens the door for consumer confusion and outside producers using the name to sell inferior produce.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 12:44:56 2014 No.5282807 >>5282803 except you could make a cheddar in gorgonzola, would you still have to call it gorgonzola because it came from that region? nkw that's misleading

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 12:48:55 2014 No.5282813 >>5282803 Americans do not give a ripe fuck about where cheeses come from as long as the g Quality is good. Just because a cheese comes from a little town in Europe does not make it better.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 12:48:55 2014 No.5282814

>>5282807
No, because it's not the name for any cheese made in the region. It's the name for a cheese made through a certain process which originated in that place.

Often these places have strict rules regarding the production process. Rules that are practically impossible to check if the entire world is allowed to use the name as long as they abide by the rules.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 12:50:55 2014 No.5282815 >>5282813 If that's the case there should be no problem changing the name.. as long as the quality is good right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 12:51:27 2014 No.5282816 >>5282814 Who gives a fuck about rules? I just cheese on flavor and texture not by authenticity.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 12:53:26 2014 No.5282819

>>5282816
They care about rules because I have eaten "parmesan" cheeses that absolutely sucked compared to the real deal and that hurts the brand name.

It's not about choosing for authenticity it's to make sure no-one abuses a good name for their crap cheese.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 12:55:26 2014 No.5282823

>>5282815
In america we have no other words for these cheeses. How the fuck are we suppose to tell them all apart?
We need to invent new names because you idiots are buthurt because we win all the awards now?

What the fuck are we supposed to call parmisian ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 12:58:26 2014 No.5282828 >>5282819 In america we have a brand that goes with the cheese. Buy kraft brand parmisian and you know you are buying shit. Just the same as with computers or any other product.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:04:26 2014 No.5282832

>>5282113
>The names have become associated with the type of cheese, not with the location of origin.
But the types of cheese are closely tied to their origins, the local climates, the breeds of animals, their feed, bacterial cultures, etc. If you try the same recipe somewhere else you get a different product. Even in a different European country, or a different region in the same country.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:07:26 2014 No.5282836 >>5282832 What a load of bollocks

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:09:26 2014 No.5282838

>>5282823
>In america we have no other words for these cheeses. How the fuck are we suppose to tell them all apart?
>We need to invent new names because you idiots are buthurt because we win all the awards now?
If you win awards you should be proud enough to differentiate them from the European ones.

What about "Milwaukee", or "Winnebago"?

>>5282828
Food is not the same as computers or other products. There is no such thing as shit Parmesan. It's delicious, otherwise it's an error.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:14:26 2014 No.5282847 >>5282814 >No, because it's not the name for any cheese made in the region. Cheddar is a village in Somerset. The PDO is "West Country Farmhouse Cheddar", which has to indeed come from the region.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:21:26 2014 No.5282863

>>5282836
How so? There are similar cheeses in neighbouring regions, but they are not identical, so they have different names. Like Parmigiano-Reggiano and Grana Padano. Why shouldn't the same be true in the United States? I don't see why Americans should take the same pride in their own food. I don't have much faith in their imitations of European foods, but they do have some very nice things of their own that should be brought more attention to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:22:26 2014 No.5282865 >>5282838 These names do not represent places at all to us. They are names of types of cheeses. Sorry if that offends you. We are not going g to change this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:22:26 2014 No.5282866 >>5282863 *I don't see why Americans should not take the same pride

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:24:26 2014 No.5282867 >>5282863 Our "imitations" beat the pants off your stuff over and over again in international competition.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:28:26 2014 No.5282875

>>5282865
>These names do not represent places at all to us. They are names of types of cheeses.
Still, why would you want to support an inferior product? Didn't you just say Kraft was shit? That makes no sense.

>Sorry if that offends you.
American dairy producers are the ones who should be offended. If they can't have original products with original names, doesn't that imply all they're good at is making imitations?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:30:26 2014 No.5282879 >>5282867 Sure, just like you Americans beat the pants off us in every single World Series

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:30:26 2014 No.5282880 >>5282863 We do that with potatoes and literally nothing else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:32:26 2014 No.5282885 >>5282875 You keep talking like your authentic products are better. They are not. Towns where things come from mean nothing in our culture. Not sure how else to explain this to you. Your fixation on where things come from baffle us.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:36:26 2014 No.5282894 >>5282875 Kraft is only one brand among many. People buy it because it is cheap. You can pay more and get a better one or pay even less and get an even shittier one. So many choices. Sounds like you guys get only one choice. How limiting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:38:26 2014 No.5282900 >>5282879 These competitions are held mostly in Europe. The big cheese one is in france. We always win.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:47:26 2014 No.5282918

>>5282885
It's only natural to prefer some cheeses over others, it has nothing to do with authenticity. I prefer Camembert over Brie, one isn't an imitation of the other. You might very well have an American unpasteurized soft cheese with a white mould rind that's even better than the two French ones, but that cheese is neither Brie nor Camembert. Why can't that cheese be authentic in its own right?

This isn't about putting down the American dairy industry, this is an opportunity for it to gain an identity of its own.

>>5282894
We have the full gamut as well, but there is only one cheese that is Parmigiano-Reggiano, and it's always good. If you want you can get the nasty stuff as well, that's up to you, but I don't know what it's called.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:50:27 2014 No.5282924 You're not allowed to make Parmesan cheese anywhere in any European country besides Parma, Italy?

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:55:26 2014 No.5282934
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>>5282918
Let me try and rephrase this one more time.

Authentic adds no value as far as we are concerned.
Your distinctions based on location mean nothing to Americans and never will.
We think you are silly for clinging to weird ancient traditions and will not support you in this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 13:57:26 2014 No.5282936 >>5282894 Food club is the same price as kraft for the same exact product. For american cheese, powdered parmesan, condiments, and soups (replacing campbell's) you're better off with food club or store brand, although the latter can be hit or miss.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:06:26 2014 No.5282953

>>5282934
>will not support you in this.
Of course we wouldn't support it on it's own. Aside from pissing off everyone in the country, just for economic reasons it wouldn't make any sense. The article says it's 'part of trade talks' which I guess would imply that it'd be bargained for with something else that would be in our advantage. Either that, or it's just getting worked up about nothing.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:07:26 2014 No.5282954

>>5282924
Parmigiano-Reggiano must be made within a certain area, and it has to comply with the regulations:
http://storage.parmigiano-reggiano.it/file/Parmigiano_Reggiano_specification_29_August_2011_en.pdf

>>5282934
As you can see, it's more than just location. I never claimed authenticity added any value. Either the cheese is what it says on the package or it isn't. I'm sure you Americans make lots of great cheese, again, this isn't about Europe vs. USA, it's about not having people buy cheese in good faith and find that the manufacturer has cut corners. You should have the exact same standards for your domestic products, any dairy producer with any amount of self respect should be absolutely livid if another producer is misrepresenting a product they have spent a lot of hard work perfecting.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:18:26 2014 No.5282985

>>5282954
I cannot seem to get through to you.
Your rules mean nothing .
We do not need laws to tell us what good cheese is.
If we buy a bad product, we simply do not buy it again.
If a company puts out a crappy cheese, word gets out and no one buys it unless it's very cheap.
We need no laws to assist us in this process.
We do not care if you think we are shitting on your magic local cheese name.
We don't care.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:28:41 2014 No.5283011 Wr also do not think that a town gets to have intellectual property rights. That is just freaky. Those sorts of rights are reserved for individuals or corporations.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:35:41 2014 No.5283034
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>>5282985
>I cannot seem to get through to you.
Likewise.

>Your rules mean nothing .
>We do not need laws to tell us what good cheese is.

PDO laws tell you exactly WHAT cheese you have, not whether it's good or not.

>If we buy a bad product, we simply do not buy it again.
>If a company puts out a crappy cheese, word gets out and no one buys it unless it's very cheap.
>We need no laws to assist us in this process.
This must be why your eggs have salmonella, because if they give you the shits, word gets out and no one buys them unless they are very cheap. On the milk that you have to pasteurize, not to improve shelf life, but to make it even fit for human consumption in the first place.

>We do not care if you think we are shitting on your magic local cheese name.
>We don't care.
Fair enough, but you should care about your own American cheese, beer, wine, etc. But I suppose your patriotism doesn't go any further than burgers and bullshit military interventions. Enjoy your culinary wasteland.

>>5283011
PDO is not intellectual property. Intellectual property is the nasty propaganda you people and your megacorporations keep forcing down our throats in these trade negotiations. And yet you're perfectly fine with shitting on small, independent artisans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:40:41 2014 No.5283047 >>PDO laws tell you exactly WHAT cheese you have, not whether it's good or not. I do not care what cheese I have. Only that it is good and in the style the name represents.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:41:41 2014 No.5283053 >>5283047 >in the style the name represents What the hell does that even mean?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:42:58 2014 No.5283058 >>5283047 Why would anyone need a law to tell them what cheese they bought? Why do you let your government enter so many aspects of your life?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:43:57 2014 No.5283060 Do you have to cook curry-mango sauce or can it be served without doing it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:45:58 2014 No.5283063 >>5283053 Well, if I bought "Cheddar" I wouldn't want a runny cheese.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:50:57 2014 No.5283072
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>>5283058
>Why do you let your government enter so many aspects of your life?
In this case it helps the economy by facilitating trade and promoting small businesses. Something the muh small gubment retards evidently hate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:52:57 2014 No.5283076 >>5283072 >believing the federal government helps the economy/small business through intervention top kek shit-for-brains

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 14:54:57 2014 No.5283079 >>5283072 You are mistaken. It would take several years of econ classes to change your mind though so we will have to agree to disagree.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:01:57 2014 No.5283093

>>5283076
That's because your federal government is bought by the wealthy few. That's why it's shitting all over American small business and letting the megacorporations ship all your jobs overseas.

>>5283079
Go away, randroid. Reading science fiction does not make you an authority on economics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:12:58 2014 No.5283113 >>5283079 >You are mistaken. It would take several years of econ classes to change your mind though so we will have to agree to disagree. i did four years of econ classes and you're a fucking idiot laissez fair isnte in style anymore bro

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:14:57 2014 No.5283115 >>5283093 Actually I prefer to read Milton fried man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:17:57 2014 No.5283118 >>5283113 Oh shit we have a Internet econ major! You should meet this guy who was here last week who had degrees in both nutrition and micro biology. He was able to give us valuable insight into how terrible GMOs were.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:32:57 2014 No.5283139

Of course it makes sense and I support it. It ensures that not any shit may be labeled Parmigiano for example.
If there would be no PDO, then anyone could just use some hormone infested shit milk that is pasteurized to hell, make some blue cheese with artificial flavoring and call it Stilton.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:36:57 2014 No.5283143 >>5283139 You really think that the only thing between you and sub par cheese is the government?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:39:57 2014 No.5283150 >>5283143 ? You would be ok with no brand protection. Anyone could sell Mercedes car parts no matter who produced them, everyone could make a clone of an iPad with a different OS and hardware et.c..?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:44:57 2014 No.5283157 I guess the Americans are just butthurt that ACTA wasn't passed, but was stopped by the European Parliament. If Americans can't have their way, no one else can.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:45:57 2014 No.5283159

>>5283150
Lol we already have that!
Mercedes parts are made by all sorts of people. You need only look at the brand name to know who made it.
Same with cheese.
You confuse brand name with regional style.
To us parmesan is not a brand.
I do not see why this is so confusing for you.
When an American buys Stilton he does not assume it came from England.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:48:57 2014 No.5283167 >>5283157 Every American I know irl is anti acta.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:51:57 2014 No.5283175

>>5283159
Well, it is a brand linked to a region. What is hard to understand about that?
I'm pretty sure in your sue everyone -culture you can't sell Mercedes branded pistons that are made by Zhong Guang. When we buy champagne, we know it is actually made in champagne and according to traditional methods.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:55:57 2014 No.5283183 >>5283175 Oh we understand your brand/ region connection, we just reject it. We see no value in that antiquated system.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:55:57 2014 No.5283184

>>5283159
>regional style.
>To us parmesan is not a brand.
It's not a style and it's not a brand. It's the actual cheese. It far predates consumer culture, so it's useless to compare it to something else from consumer culture. Imitation Parmesan is no more Parmigiano Reggiano than Grana Padano is Parmigiano Reggiano.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 15:57:57 2014 No.5283190 >>5283184 We understand your point of view. You do not understand ours.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 16:02:57 2014 No.5283202 >>5283190 I think it's completely understood. You just want to be able to call anything by any name and that is just absurd. Regulating the nomenclature protects both the customers and the producers.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 16:05:57 2014 No.5283208

>>5283202
>t to be able to call anything by any name and that is just absurd.

What's absurd about it? I don't let the name dictate what I buy. I let the quality do that. And a name is little guarantee of that. For example, for wine to be called Burgundy then it must come from a certain region of France. But that doesn't mean the wine is any good or not, just that it came from the proper area and was made with the correct kind of grape. There are good wines from other areas and there are bad wines from Burgundy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 16:08:57 2014 No.5283216 >>5283208 >There are good wines from other areas and there are bad wines from Burgundy. No disagreement there. So why should wines from outside of Burgundy call themselves Burgundy wines?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 16:08:57 2014 No.5283217 >>5283208 No one is stopping you from selling or buying good or bad wines so stop whining about that. You can still produce and buy what you want, you just can't call some carbonated white wine from California champagne.

Anonymous Mon Mar 17 16:15:57 2014 No.5283231

>>5283216
Because our culture does not recognize your place specific products ideals.
It is silly to us and we don't think it protects us.

I have had horrible champagne from france.
Your tradition did nothing to protect me from that.
Why should I play your game?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 16:15:57 2014 No.5283233 File: 96 KB, 266x400, patriot1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] These colonials are our brethren. And when this conflict is over, we will reestablish commerce with them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 16:30:57 2014 No.5283261 >>5283217 The entire idea that product X can only be made in this small town to be called X is totally retarded. What a lame custom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 16:32:57 2014 No.5283269 >mfw they renamed everything with the suffix 'inspired' or some other marketing corp-speak bullshit >Parmesan inspired stinky salt dust by Kraft

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 16:36:58 2014 No.5283276 File: 66 KB, 829x1387, 1391446029464.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5283269 Euros think we would actually do that to stop their tears.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 17:25:01 2014 No.5283375 Anyone know a good recipe for Italian-Inspired Ground Meat-Based Tomato Sauce Product? I want to have some with my Glutenous Wheat Stringz.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 17:49:45 2014 No.5283439 >>5283375 How dare you call tomato sauce Italian when tomatoes were invented by native Americans over 100 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 18:00:45 2014 No.5283464 >>5283167 Never underestimate the kind of stupid shit you can get people to cheer for. Just look at all the agribusiness stooges ITT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 18:05:46 2014 No.5283471 >>5283464 I don't understand what you are saying. Who is cheering for acta?.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 18:06:45 2014 No.5283477 File: 226 KB, 1210x644, 1362744433861.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5283269 Apparently the yuropoor term for stinky salt dust is "parmsello italiano"

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 17 18:08:45 2014 No.5283486 >>5283471 I'm saying the amount of agribusiness cocksucking going on in this thread is on par with cheering for ACTA.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:27:36 2014 No.5285183 >>5282918 >there is only one cheese that is Parmigiano-Reggiano False, there are lots of different makers of cheeses that use that name for their products. In that little corner of Italy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:28:36 2014 No.5285185 >>5283034 >PDO is not intellectual property Of course it is. That's the whole point.

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:34:36 2014 No.5285190

>>5285183
And what those products have in common is that they are Parmigiano Reggiano. It's the same as any standardized product made by several manufacturers. An IEC 60309 is only an IEC 60309 connector if it is made according to the IEC 60309 standard. Likewise Parmigiano Reggiano is only Parmigiano Reggiano if it is made according to the Parimigiano Reggiano standard.

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:34:36 2014 No.5285192

What you Europeans don't seem to understand is that these names in the U.S. do not now, and never have, meant that the cheese actually comes from a particular location.

They are merely identifiers of a particular style of cheese.

Now, in Europe, you can refuse to allow cheeses that we export to you to be labeled in a way that is not compliant with your silly rules, just as we have to mark the packages of exported electronics with your BATG and WEEE icons. And we are likewise free to demand that you label foods (and other products) that you export to the U.S. according to our labeling laws.

In the end, we have two separate systems, and both markets are large enough to demand that exporters comply with their requirements or be shut out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:37:36 2014 No.5285196 >>5285185 Intellectual Property is a propaganda term made specifically to make people confuse three very distinct areas of law, copyright, patents and trademarks. A PDO is neither a copyrightable work, a patentable invention or a trademark.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:39:36 2014 No.5285198 >>5283375 The Itarians store grutenous wheat stlings from grorious China! We demand you lename grutenous wheat stlings to sumting erse!

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:39:41 2014 No.5285199 [DELETED]

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The thing that makes America exceptional is that unlike stagnant, change-hating eurolards, America embraces innovation and experimentation. Experimentation is kind of like "science". As an American, I can't quite explain to you what it is because I wasn't allowed to learn about it in school, but deep in MY GUT I know that whenever someone doesn't like what I like, it's because they hate experimentation and innovation. Did I mention that an American wine beat a European wine once in a contest approximately 40 years ago? Nice things are pretentious, it tastes good to me.

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:41:40 2014 No.5285200

>>5285196
But it is another form of IP. You see, IP is a larger category which contains multiple different subtypes. You forgot trade secrets, traditional knowledge, and probably a few dozen others by now that you Yuropoors and Turd-Worlders keep trying to make up to try to get back at the U.S. for being so successful.

BTW, you're arguing IP with an Amerifat IP attorney here, just so you know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:41:40 2014 No.5285201 >>5285196 >A PDO is neither a copyrightable work durp

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:42:40 2014 No.5285204 >>5285192 >And we are likewise free to demand that you label foods (and other products) that you export to the U.S. according to our labeling laws. Oh no, muh hamburgerz

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:44:40 2014 No.5285207

>>5285199
>Did I mention that an American wine beat a European wine once in a contest approximately 40 years ago?
If it's so great, why do you have to hide behind a European name?

Besides, America has been in serious cultural decline the past 40 years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:47:40 2014 No.5285210 >>5285207 You non-murikans sure obsess about america a lot.

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:54:40 2014 No.5285220

>>5285200
The point I'm making is that it's abused to deliberately confuse people and push nasty legislation and treaties such as SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, TPP, etc., which I suppose you'd just love to see get passed.

>>5285201
Please explain why you think a PDO is a copyrightable work.

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 08:55:40 2014 No.5285222

>>5285199
>Did I mention that an American wine beat a European wine once in a contest approximately 40 years ago?
lol this

>40 years ago a few people said they liked American wine better than French wine in a subjective, unreproducible taste test

WOWWY ZOWWY

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 09:04:02 2014 No.5285230

>>5285210
You people really need to do something about that inferiority complex of yours. Why not answer the question? If you're so great, why do you need hide in the shadows?

If you had any faith or pride in your products you'd be insulted to have to share names with someone else. You sure act like a bunch of insecure losers for someone who insists on playing world police.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 09:09:01 2014 No.5285236 >not enjoying Kraft HFCS-infused, freeze-dried, granulated Parmesan-style cheese analogue

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 09:10:01 2014 No.5285237 >>5285200 >BTW, you're arguing IP with an Amerifat IP attorney here, just so you know. lol no. You just glanced at the Wiki.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:02:33 2014 No.5285310 >>5285230 No one is hiding anything. We make better cheeses than you do. We do not give a ripe fuck about regional pride. It would never occur to us to name anything after a county. You euros are so odd.

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:05:33 2014 No.5285313

>>5285310
>We make better cheeses than you do.
lol no. Why is Velveeta and cheese-in-a-can so popular?

>We do not give a ripe fuck about regional pride.
Hilarious. I'll remember this when the next NY vs Chicago, Texas chili, flyover land, whatever thread comes up.

>It would never occur to us to name anything after a county.
American cheese? Anyway, you name things after their cosmopolitan counterpart because Americans get excited about anything that sounds foreign. Same reason why Americans insist on saying "bleu cheese" or "steak au poivre".

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:10:33 2014 No.5285318 >>5285313 Sp much misinformation! It's like you only know about the US from 4chan! Too funny!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:15:57 2014 No.5285321 >>5285318 umm, he's completely right. american here. constructive criticism makes me a commieterrist though so feel free to lump me in with the eurolards and sushi loving gooks on this one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:18:33 2014 No.5285323 >>5285321 Do you really eat velveta anon? I can honestly say the only time I have seen it is at a superbowl party. Do you ever argue about pizza outside 4chan? Really?

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:23:33 2014 No.5285327

>>5285323
what I do and what the population in general does are two very distinct things

I did my time living in flyover land. I know what people eat outside cosmopolitan areas where educated folk live. sorry if the truth is so communist to you but there is a reason people on 4chan attack each other over HFCS and cheese analogs and it's because in some areas having standards is seen as unpatriotic

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:25:34 2014 No.5285330 >>5285327 I think you are pretending to be American anon. Hope it's fun for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:27:33 2014 No.5285332 >>5285330 no. but your post demonstrates my point perfectly. thanks for that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:30:33 2014 No.5285335 Lol he used "cosmopolitan" in his original post and then again when pretending to be an American. Sorta misused the word both times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:36:33 2014 No.5285341 >>5285335 the first guy using that word is not me. sorry your vocabulary is so limited. next time I'll say gaylibrul.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:42:42 2014 No.5285351 >>5285341 If it makes you feel any better, I don't think I could carry off pretending to be a brit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:44:42 2014 No.5285354 >>5285341 Stop pretending you're American. Everyone knows that Americans think cosmopolitan is just the name of a magazine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:50:42 2014 No.5285361 >>5285354 Well we damn sure don't use metropolitan and cosmopolitan interchangeably.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:52:43 2014 No.5285367 They'll just put "Parmesan-Style Cheese" or whatever, and everything will be exactly the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 10:56:42 2014 No.5285371 >>5285367 We won't even bother doing that. Acta has met with huge resistance in the states. We will just abandon the whole stupid idea.

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 12:51:42 2014 No.5285546
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Do all euros support this idea of making the US rename all its cheese products?
We realize it's not how you name products over there but we have always done things differently than you.
Do you really think it will help you sell us any more stuff?

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 13:37:15 2014 No.5285621

>>5285318
>Sp much misinformation! It's like you only know about the US from 4chan!
I'm Canadian. I live in America for a year and a half when I was younger and did my Masters in A&M (another 2.5 years in Clapistan). I have visited America countless times and have many many American friends and colleagues.

Regional pride is big in America and fancy-sounding foreign names on menus and packaging are marketing ploys that work over there. I've been around Minnesota and Wisconsin quite a bit and, while they make some good cheeses, the majority of American cheese that Americans consume are mild cheddars, mozzarella, Swiss, and cheese analogues.

There is a reason pre-shredded cheese and "melty cheeses" are popular in America. You guys have/had some great things going, but as a generalization, cheese is not one of them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 13:39:15 2014 No.5285624 >>5285354 >Everyone knows that Americans think cosmopolitan is just the name of a magazine. lol >Well we damn sure don't use metropolitan and cosmopolitan interchangeably. When did this happen in this thread?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 13:42:15 2014 No.5285633 >>5285354 A rifle's magazine!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 13:44:15 2014 No.5285638 >>5285621 generalizing america is pretty dumb in the first place except for the blacks

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 13:45:15 2014 No.5285640 >>5285638 lol'd

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 13:59:19 2014 No.5285676 >>5285633 you mean clip

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 14:49:23 2014 No.5285792 >>5285621 >I'm Canadian. The thread all comes together

Anonymous Tue Mar 18 23:11:25 2014 No.5287112

I think the big reason that Americans get so indignant about subjects like this is that we are taught in school that Europe was losing ww2 pretty bad until we went over and pretty much single handedly beat the Germans and japs.

It just makes stuff like this seem so petty.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 18 23:13:26 2014 No.5287117 >>5287112 facepalm

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 03:30:02 2014 No.5287657 >>5285220 Actually, no, I think SOPA/PIPA/ACTA and so on are travesties. Fuck Mickey Mouse and the RIAA>

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 03:32:02 2014 No.5287658 >>5285237 LOL no I spent three years and $90,000 on law school. Wanna discuss CLS Bank v. Alice Corp.? How about Myriad?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 03:34:02 2014 No.5287660 >>5285335 >cosmo >implying it is not just a form of martini Oh, shit, can we call them "Martinis" any more? After all, that's some sort of Eyetalian word.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 03:35:03 2014 No.5287662 >>5285792 God help us. Only the grave shall bring us peace from the Canadian menace.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 05:20:26 2014 No.5287801 >>5287657 So why do you seem to side with the megacorporations in this issue?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 05:27:26 2014 No.5287806 >>5287660 Martini is a brand of vermouth, not a PDO. Trademark law applies here, if you want to call something Martini, ask Bacardi. Why you would call a drink with no vermouth in it a type of Martini cocktail is beyond me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 08:11:17 2014 No.5287978 >>5287806 I think there is much that is beyond you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 08:15:17 2014 No.5287984 >>5287978 Why don't you start by explaining?

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 08:15:17 2014 No.5287985

>>5287801
I don't. I side with common usage in the U.S. The names are indicators for the style of cheese, not for some tiny hamlet in Europe that originated the style.

You probably bitch incessantly about Chicago pizza not being "pizza" because it isn't made to the specifications handed down by generations of Naples opas.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 08:16:17 2014 No.5287987 >>5287978 Europeans don't understand cocktails. Don't waste your breath

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 08:36:01 2014 No.5288012

>>5287985
>The names are indicators for the style of cheese, not for some tiny hamlet in Europe that originated the style.
But they aren't styles. Soft white mould, soft blue mould, hard grainy, hard smooth are styles, Brie, Gorgonzola, Parmigiano Reggiano, WCF Cheddar are specific instances of those styles. You're free to make American attempts all those styles as much as you like and we won't complain. It's misrepresenting those attempts as already established cheeses that's highly unethical.

And this is a debate that's constantly going on in Europe as well. I'm not British, but it's a damn shame to see store shelves stocked with counterfeit Cheddar, as only products labelled West Country Farmhouse are protected. I'm not just criticising the United States, Europe needs to adopt far more PDOs as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 08:37:01 2014 No.5288019 >>5287985 >I side with common usage in the U.S It's a commonly held belief that Americans were created by magical men in the sky in the US.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 08:41:01 2014 No.5288027

>>5287985
>You probably bitch incessantly about Chicago pizza not being "pizza" because it isn't made to the specifications handed down by generations of Naples opas.
Come on, you have your Tenessee whiskey (sic), Vidalia onions and Idaho potatoes. And it's even part of your precious NAFTA, so trade parters respecting each others protected designation of origin is nothing new.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 08:47:01 2014 No.5288037

>>5288012
>But they aren't styles.

In the US they are. This is what you can't seem to comprehend. We do things differently and even out English is different.
When we say Stilton, no one is thinking about some faggy little town.
If this hurts your feelings then go screw.
Since we saved your assess in the war we get to call cheese whatever the fuck we want.
Your lucky we don't cheddar "the fat old cunt queen Elizabeth vagina scrapings".

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 09:03:01 2014 No.5288068

>>5288037
>When we say Stilton, no one is thinking about some faggy little town.
We're not asking you to think of the faggy little town, we're asking you to think of the cheese itself. Most of the time the name is pretty much a coincidence, Stilton could have easily ended up being called Peterborough cheese, or Cheddar could have been called Sedgemoor. It's not important, what's important is whether you have the correct cheese or a completely different cheese that's only superficially similar to the untrained palate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 09:04:01 2014 No.5288069 >>5288037 You are retarded. Please leave "out" country.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 09:30:01 2014 No.5288100 >>5288068 Ya no. Our Stiltons are way better than yours . That's the part that upsets you the most.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 09:31:01 2014 No.5288101 >>5288037 Americans ladies and gentlemen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 09:33:02 2014 No.5288104 >>5288100 If we liked it that much we'd just annex the UK and you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:03:01 2014 No.5288145 >>5282175 Americans are morons and their ripoff Rolex watch cheese is a joke.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:06:01 2014 No.5288147 >>5282823 You utter fucking moron.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:07:01 2014 No.5288149 >>5288100 Then why do you have to hide behind the British name? If it's so great, wouldn't you want people to be able to tell your superior cheese apart from inferior Stilton? Why is it so hard to get Americlaps to address this question?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:09:01 2014 No.5288150 >>5282865 >These names do not represent places at all to us So you are arguing to defend your stupidity? USAUSAUSA!

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:11:01 2014 No.5288155 File: 38 KB, 464x350, Lol.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The eurotrash butthurt itt is palpable

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:12:01 2014 No.5288156 File: 82 KB, 740x533, 1395238340468.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5282934 >Authentic adds no value as far as we are concerned.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:12:01 2014 No.5288159 >>5288149 To us the name Stilton isn't even british. It's just the name of a type of cheese. You want to educate us in your cheese ways and we don't want it. It's just cheese. Shut the fuck up already.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:13:01 2014 No.5288162
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>>5282985
>We do not need laws to tell us what good cheese is.
>If we buy a bad product, we simply do not buy it again.
>If a company puts out a crappy cheese, word gets out and no one buys it unless it's very cheap.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:15:01 2014 No.5288167 ITT: Europeans are buttmad and the Americans don't give a shit. Imagine that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:18:01 2014 No.5288170 >>5283159 >When an American buys Stilton he does not assume it came from England. That's fucking stupid and you know it.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:18:01 2014 No.5288172

>>5288159
Don't you want to export your "superior" cheese then? The whole debate was started because of trade negotiations. I think the point of those is to have more trade between Europe and the United States.

"Stilton-inspired American Cheese" isn't exactly going to fly off the shelves here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:19:01 2014 No.5288174 >>5288162 We don't need protection from flat cheese. It exists you can eat it and be fat or skip it and go to the gym. Choice and responsibility.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:19:01 2014 No.5288176

Holy shit, the extent Americans go through to defend their ignorance is incredible. Sad too, since not all Americans are like this but unfortunately the most vocal seem to be the most retarded and this thread is a prime example of that. Anyways, I'll let you all get back to your clapping and inferior cheese, just know that the rest of the world is laughing at you and your stupidity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:20:01 2014 No.5288178 File: 31 KB, 396x261, Die fruit scum.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5283208 >I don't let the name dictate what I buy. I let the quality do that. And a name is little guarantee of that Would you like an apple?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:20:01 2014 No.5288179 >>5288172 >"Stilton-inspired American Cheese" isn't exactly going to fly off the shelves here. WE DONT CARE

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:21:01 2014 No.5288181 >>5288172 That's right. Even if it was ten times better ,you are too hung up on names and silly rules to make a rational decision.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:22:01 2014 No.5288183 I'm going to Washington, I'll be sure to have some authentic southern bbq while I'm there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:24:02 2014 No.5288188 >>5288149 >Why is it so hard to get Americlaps to address this question? They won't, because they know their cheese is garbage and nobody would buy it if it had original names. The notable exception being Cheez Whiz.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:27:01 2014 No.5288194 >>5288183 You don't have to call it authentic anon. It's just bbq and it's available all over the us under various names.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:28:01 2014 No.5288196 File: 29 KB, 482x800, 2755.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5288179 >ENTER TRADE TALKS WITH YUROP >WE DON'T CARE ABOUT EXPORTING THINGS TO YUROP >WE DON'T CARE ABOUT DECREASING THE EMBARRASSINGLY HUGE AMERICAN TRADE DEFICIT

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:29:01 2014 No.5288201 >>5288183 I bet there are some places in washington that do better bbq than some in the south. Just like Americans make better cheese than the europoors. And beer and wine etc, etc, etc.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:30:01 2014 No.5288204

>>5288012
>it's a damn shame to see store shelves stocked with counterfeit Cheddar, as only products labelled West Country Farmhouse are protected. I'm not just criticising the United States, Europe needs to adopt far more PDOs as well.

So, you don't do it either, eh? Well, we'll let you mess up your cheese industry first.

Hey, how are all those EU directives going for ya, anyway? Enjoying the rule by unelected do-gooder bureaucrats?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:31:01 2014 No.5288205 >>5288196 >basing an economy on cheese >eurup Now I know why you guys are so mad, we're threatening your GDP

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:32:01 2014 No.5288209 >>5288205 Are you roleplaying countries on my /ck/ you little cunt?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:33:01 2014 No.5288210 >>5288027 So? As I mentioned before, we can change the labeling for exporting to the EU, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ALREADY HAS TO DO FOR EVERYTHING ELSE WE EXPORT TO THE EU. We're not going to change it at home, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:33:01 2014 No.5288211 >>5288204 I bet they are having great fun supporting all the lazy Italians.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:34:01 2014 No.5288213 >>5288176 I suspect it is just one American being a retard in this thread and I suspect it's the infamous Riley Sticka. No doubt he is compiling an autistic pasta and charts to show how he is correct.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:36:01 2014 No.5288217 >>5288211 How are those Mexicans and Nigs working out?

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:36:01 2014 No.5288218

>>5288204
>Hey, how are all those EU directives going for ya, anyway? Enjoying the rule by unelected do-gooder bureaucrats?
Go to bed, Rupert. You're too old.

Regulation (EU) No 1151/2012 was passed by our directly elected representatives in the European Parliament.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:38:02 2014 No.5288220 >>5288217 Someone has to do the gardening.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:38:02 2014 No.5288222 >>5288176 >I'll let you all get back to your clapping and inferior cheese The sad part is that if you pretend for the sake of the argument that their cheese is superior, it makes them look all the more pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:39:02 2014 No.5288225 >>5288156 hahahaha /thread >the furniture of law enforcement

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:40:01 2014 No.5288226 >>5288162 >>5288156 good stuff

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:41:01 2014 No.5288230 >>5288220 While their wives collect government funds and food stamps for their 15 children. How did it happen? There's only about 60% whites there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:45:01 2014 No.5288243 >>5288230 I'm with the Mexicans on this issue. They are a far more likeable people than Americans. Also note that Mexico has several native cheeses and not just shitty imitation cheese.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:52:01 2014 No.5288257
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American bread?
>azodicarbonamide, banned from food usage in most European countries, Canada, Australia, and fucking CHINA

American cheese?
>primarily cheese analogues made from milk taken from factory-farmed cows fed GMO corn and treated with non-therapeutic antibiotics and growth hormones

American chocolate?
>butyric acid

American cuisine for the common person?
>fast food, sugar water, snacks, and more fast food

Americans fight government measures to control portion sizes, yet they obviously have shown they cannot be trusted to make educated choices regarding nutrition and exercise.

How many Americans on /ck/ were fed soda and fast food as infants or children?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 10:57:01 2014 No.5288275 >>5288257 I would rather have fat neighbors than live in a nanny state.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:01:01 2014 No.5288285

>>5288275
So you don't consider hyper-surveillance a hallmark of a nanny state?

The American government simply treats its civilians like cattle. Sick or dying or uneducated is irrelevant, as long as they are good consumers who pay taxes and support a corrupt government that funnels trillions of dollars to lobbied corporations via subsidies, tax loopholes, and blatant bailouts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:01:01 2014 No.5288286 >>5288275 Now you did it. Eurotrash take their 'muh regulations' seriously. After all, they wouldn't know how to behave without them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:03:01 2014 No.5288291 >>5288286 In 20 years we will be saving their asses. Again. Bank on it, they're fucking savages at heart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:06:02 2014 No.5288299 >>5288291 fuck them. let the russians and muslims fight over who gets to control them next

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:07:02 2014 No.5288301 File: 109 KB, 960x638, BijcGOWCQAA7mAs.jpg:large.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5288286 "muh regulations" is more to protect against colonization by American agribusiness and military surveillance complex

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:07:02 2014 No.5288302 Doesn't London have more cameras than any other city? Yes we are having trouble with our government getting too big and nosy. We are fighting it tooth and nail. Are you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:09:01 2014 No.5288306 >>5288301 Oh nos not the murcan GMOs!

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:09:01 2014 No.5288308

>>5288286
>>5288291
When California wanted to place labels on foods simply identifying GMO ingredients, million-dollar corporate-backed astroturf campaigns ensued and it was defeated.

If America wasn't so corrupt and its people still brainwashed from the Cold War and corporate citizen propaganda, they would realize properly-implemented regulations are not bad.

The fact that most Americans consider the word regulation bad is telling. God forbid third party testing and monitoring.

But hey, as long as it infringes on your important freedoms and not the profits or PR of a corporation it is alright.

Portion control and trans-fat bans are met with a cry of "muh freedoms", but the Patriot Act and NDAA were met with impotent grumbles.

Maybe if Monsanto and GM told you guys to get upset about these things you would have done so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:12:01 2014 No.5288313 >>5288308 I would rather protect myself from a wicked corporation on my own than live in a nanny state.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:14:01 2014 No.5288319

>>5288302
This is why the rest of Europe would be only happy to see the UK get the fuck out of the union.
>If Britain wants to leave Europe we will roll out the red carpet for you.
- Laurent Fabius, FM of France

Even with the UK out of the union, I still want strict protection of the Cheddar name, I really don't care about Somerset cheese maker's profits, what I'm concerned about is European consumers being defrauded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:15:01 2014 No.5288324 >>5288308 I get why your angry. I really do. You need us more than we need you and it embarrass me if I were in your shoes too.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:39:43 2014 No.5288386

I always think it's funny how consumer protection legislation is considered "nanny state", but legislation that gives large corporations advantages at the expense of citizens is "freedom". When what we end up with in America is a "corporate nanny state".

The best example I can think of is cheese, which puts me on topic here.

Milk production is so heavily government subsidized that there's little profit in it, and regulation is tilted toward large producers. This results in many small, family run dairies going out of business, and a general surplus of a highly perishable commodity. This is sold cheaply to large corporations like Kraft, who turn it into cheap, low quality cheese.

In order to make a profit on this cheese Americans had to be persuaded to eat more cheese. A government advisory board representing corporate cheese makers met with fast food companies to encourage them to encourage greater use of cheese.

What did it get us? Stuffed crust pizza, among other things. Stuffed crust pizza is the manifestation of the corporate nanny state.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:45:44 2014 No.5288399 >>5288386 It always amazes me how little euros understand america. I live on a ski resort where lots of euros come on holliday. They are amazed that everyone is not fat. Your government owned news sources feed you such ridiculous propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:50:43 2014 No.5288410 >>5288399 >It always amazes me how little euros understand america. I'm an American.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:53:43 2014 No.5288420 >>5288410 Of course you are.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 11:57:43 2014 No.5288424 >>5288386 >corporate nanny state lol Spoken like a good little eurotrash socialist. You'll do well in Russia's new Europe.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 12:05:43 2014 No.5288441

>>5288424
actually, I'm american as well and with him on here. fair criticism and not just 'lol fat americunts'. I personally know of one small diversified farm that is trying in vain to get their clean local milk in to local grocery stores and available in the nearby school but are faced with a tremendous unreasonable cost from the government to do so. they are clean organic and grass fed ( have toured the facility and was impressed

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 12:16:43 2014 No.5288455

>>5288410
>>5288424
Point out how American milk production is practically socialized by ridiculous subsidies; get called a socialist.

This is as crazy as poor people voting for politicians who support policy that concentrates wealth among the rich.

Fuck it. Glad I live in the non-Dumbfuckistan part of America.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 12:19:43 2014 No.5288462 >>5288455 >Fuck it. Glad I live in the non-Dumbfuckistan part of America. Which part is the dumbfuckistan part, and which is the non-dumbfuckistan part?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 12:21:43 2014 No.5288463 >>5288455 >we duh 99% hurr durr

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 12:21:43 2014 No.5288466 >>5288462 Dumbfuckistan is red.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 12:33:43 2014 No.5288503 >>5288466 Oh. You mean the ones that actually produce instead of take. Grow up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 12:35:43 2014 No.5288510 >>5288503 Red states tend to be a drag on the economy. Except texas. But they have all that oil.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 12:35:43 2014 No.5288512 >>5288503 I'm talking about where the fat and ignorant are concentrated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 12:48:43 2014 No.5288533 >>5288512 It all makes sense, I guess they have to take out their aggression on animals now that beating and negroes is frowned upon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 12:49:43 2014 No.5288536 >>5288533 You can still shoot them in Florida, I've heard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 13:22:29 2014 No.5288569 >>5288205 It's all food products that have to follow these regulations, not just cheese. For example, champagne. If it's not from Champagne then it's sparkling wine, even if the product is of a higher quality than champagne

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 13:24:29 2014 No.5288573 >>5288569 That is a spectacularly dumb law.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 13:34:29 2014 No.5288591

>>5288573
I think it's spectacularly dumb to consider regional names "generic" types of product, regardless of whether it's cheese, wine or whatever. It just makes us look ignorant at best, and antagonistic at worst.

It fits the ugly American stereotype too well, and it's time we outgrew that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 13:34:29 2014 No.5288594 >>5288573 >Quality control is dumb Where muh McDonalds cheese burghur ya'll?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 13:37:29 2014 No.5288601 >>5288573 >here, have some jack's pie >this is shit, I should tell jack! >why? sally made it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 13:38:29 2014 No.5288602 >>5288573 It's Europe. When you make one good product once every 500 years, you hold as tightly as you can to the name because it's going to be a long fucking while until the next one comes around.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 13:48:29 2014 No.5288622 >Euros crying counterfeit cheese! Oh god my sides! My poor sides are so far out in space I will never get them back!

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 13:51:29 2014 No.5288627

>>5288591
>I think it's spectacularly dumb to consider regional names "generic" types of product

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foods_and_drinks_named_after_places

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_named_after_places

Aight, let's get crackin' and invent some new names. We got some work ahead of us.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 13:52:29 2014 No.5288629 It's good thing Americans don't do curry. Could you imagine that europoor butthurt?

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 14:14:29 2014 No.5288680
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Americans are such hypocrites. Remember the 50s when you did the same to us?
We had to change semi truck to lorry and flashlight to torch!
Do you have any idea how fucking stupid I feel saying "please put this in the rubbish wheelie bin"?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 14:39:30 2014 No.5288713 >>5288680 There is a bill in the ACTA package that would make them call a flashlight a touch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 14:40:30 2014 No.5288715 >>5288713 Fleshlight to touch. Stupid auto correct.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 14:45:30 2014 No.5288725 How about we send you a few cases of toothbrushes and we can use your stupid cheese names in return?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 15:15:30 2014 No.5288778 >>5288503 I think you've got that reversed. Go stroke your gun and think about the fictional version of the founding fathers you've been fed. I promise you'll feel better in no time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 15:17:30 2014 No.5288779 >>5288573 How is it a dumb law? If it's not champagne, it's not champagne, no matter how good it is.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 15:26:32 2014 No.5288787

>>5288779
Can you even hear yourself?

THESE NAMES DO NOT MEAN PLACES TO US!
Most Americans don't even know champagne means anything but a color or a shitty wine.

What about the champagne yeast i use to brew beer?
Does that name need to change as well?

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 15:41:19 2014 No.5288821

>>5288787
>TO US
How are you not able to see how stupid your "argument" is? You're like a five year old saying they do something therefore it is the right way. I know Americans do this for nearly everything because of arrogance, but even when you are objectively wrong?

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 15:41:19 2014 No.5288822

>>5288787
>THESE NAMES DO NOT MEAN PLACES TO US!
> Most Americans don't even know champagne means anything but a color or a shitty wine.
So the only way you can defend this shit is that Americans are imbeciles who can't place anything outside the United States on a map?

> What about the champagne yeast i use to brew beer?
> Does that name need to change as well?
I have no idea what champagne yeast is. I don't know of a strain by that name, but Épernay is one yeast coming from the Champagne region that is popular for sparkling wine. And I don't see why you can't breed Épernay elsewhere, just as you can breed Charolais cattle outside of Charolais, the condition being that it's the actual breed or strain you claim it to be and not something else.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 15:43:20 2014 No.5288826

>>5288787
They mean nothing because they have been abused. It's like asking why would we care if truffle oil is supposed to contain truffles, if no one knows the difference now.

I can assure you any wine drinker knows the difference and I see no reason why American sparkling wine needs to be called by an inaccurate name. Aren't we supposed to be better than the French now or something? Would you call your sparkling water Perrier too?

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 15:44:20 2014 No.5288829

>>5288779
OK, as long as you don't 'correct' people about this in conversation. The legality of labeling is one thing, but champagne is also a word for carbonated wine, and words are dictated by common usage, not some authority.

>>5288787
It doesn't matter if we know the place or not. If someone says 'I'm going to go eat a Philly' we know they don't mean they're going to eat the entire city of philadelphia.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 15:59:03 2014 No.5288867 >>5288826 he's from a country where they call brown wax with sugar and artificial 'expired milk' flavour chocolate, of course he thinks truffle oil doesn't need to have anything to do with truffles

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 16:00:03 2014 No.5288869

>>5288829
>OK, as long as you don't 'correct' people about this in conversation.
Sometimes I correct people, sometimes I don't. Whether it's about food nomenclature or which way water swirls in an emptying sink. Sometimes it's appropriate to clear up misconceptions, sometimes it's appropriate to leave it be.

>The legality of labeling is one thing, but champagne is also a word for carbonated wine, and words are dictated by common usage, not some authority.
Just because it's popular to act like an idiot doesn't make me want to act like an idiot.

>It doesn't matter if we know the place or not. If someone says 'I'm going to go eat a Philly' we know they don't mean they're going to eat the entire city of philadelphia.
In the context of food, that's shorthand for Philadelphia Cheese Steak, correct? I've never seen one in person, but if you think the name is worth special protection, I'd be happy to honour it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 16:00:03 2014 No.5288871 >>5288829 OK, as long as you don't 'correct' people about this in conversation. The legality of labeling is one thing, but coke is also a word for carbonated beverage, and words are dictated by common usage, not some authority.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 16:04:04 2014 No.5288879 File: 63 KB, 971x585, pop_vs_soda_map.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5288871 The funny thing is that this is actually true in many places of the US. It's hilarious how clueless they are about even their own stuff.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 16:08:04 2014 No.5288884 >>5288879 The dumbest parts of the country has the dumbest name, what a surprise. And equally surprising: >East Central University (Oklahoma)

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 16:08:04 2014 No.5288885 >>5288867 I'm from the same county. We just come from different regions and perhaps social classes as well. I'm sure you have your version of what we call a redneck.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 16:19:06 2014 No.5288913

>>5288871
Deal, if i go somewhere in the south where people do that. Being prudish about what regional slang people have is always silly.

>>5288869
>if you think the name is worth special protection, I'd be happy to honour it.
Of course it's not worth 'protection', it's already an established word for a thing. I don't think any of these things that are already words suddenly need special protection following hundreds of years of their common usage: >>5288627

I don't understand why the original issue is being taken that it's some matter of pride or cultural correctness or something. It's businesses on one side that want an economic advantage and businesses on another side that don't want to lose money.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 16:21:08 2014 No.5288922 >>5288913 But do you think that regional slang should appear on products in a supermarket, or do you think that's crossing a line?

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 17:14:05 2014 No.5289070

I'm reminded of a thread where a poor Americlap who wanted a bottle of sweetish wine to go with his dinner took my trollish advice to buy port. Unfortunately, because of the lack of consumer protections in the US, he bought California port. Just think, if America had a proper PDO system then he wouldn't have gone through the horrible experience of drinking an alcohol only good for cleaning drains. This is the thing, see - for all your bleating about common usage, the people who benefit from laws governing labelling and the protection of definitions are the consumers.

On a related note, it may amuse some of you to know that the village of Stilton is not in the area that Stilton has to come from. Indeed, it's virtually on the other side of the country.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 17:21:05 2014 No.5289099

>>5288324
I hold dual citizenship: America and Canada. I lived in America until I was 5 and thankfully my parents moved away.

When I was looking at potential places to do my Masters, I had an offer from a supervisor from an American university with an excellent reputation. I knew I could never live in America, but I went to meet him for a free trip.

The idea of living in America for even 2 years was not even an option.

Like most Americans, instead of replying to the context of my post (>>5288308), you simply follow up with things along the lines of "hurrrr you are just jealous", "I don't know anything about your boring country" etc.

You are so brainwashed and nationalistic you can't even approach criticism regarding your country with the semblance of a clear head and objectivity. Your programming takes control and you turn into a child.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 17:23:05 2014 No.5289104

>>5288455
>This is as crazy as poor people voting for politicians who support policy that concentrates wealth among the rich.
Exactly.

>Point out how American milk production is practically socialized by ridiculous subsidies; get called a socialist.
It is always okay if the welfare helps corporations or business owners and not other citizens.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 17:23:05 2014 No.5289106 >>5289099 Classic canadian. Still bowing to the queen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 17:27:05 2014 No.5289113 >>5289070 But there actually is very good port produced in California. Whether you can buy it in any old store is another question entirely.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 17:31:05 2014 No.5289134 >>5289113 Mfw visiting Paris and the most expensive wines were Californian and the waiters were proud to have them.

Anonymous Wed Mar 19 17:46:05 2014 No.5289182

>>5288922
Of course, products are often labeled based on their region. If I go to a supermarket in Philadelphia, a long sandwich there will be labeled 'hoagie', in Connecticut the same sandwich will be labeled 'grinder', in California it'll be labeled 'sub'. But that's besides the point.

In the case of 'coke', I'm sure coke would have a problem with pepsi being labeled as such in the south, and they would have legal grounds to sue. But I have no reason to care about the legal grounds. And clearly, the people in the south don't care either because they call it 'coke' in conversation. If I went to Mississippi and said "Hey stop calling it coke that's a legal copyright!" I would be shunned and rightfully marked as the most boring person alive.

>>5289070
There is a law requiring the place of manufacture to be written on the label. Or, at least, I think there is, since you can always find it. Anon had no good reason to accidentally buy a wine that was from California while expecting it to have been produced in Portugal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 17:47:05 2014 No.5289184 >>5289134 Because it's something unusual there. It's like how German red wines have a little hipster cachet in the US. As good as they are the excitement isn't directly about the wine as such.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 20:11:05 2014 No.5289558 >>5289134 Paris is a shithole. It's hardly even European.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 21:41:05 2014 No.5289847 >>5289558 Ok then what is European by your standards?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 21:43:05 2014 No.5289859 >>5289847 Spice and Wolf Le Chevalier D'Eon Gunslinger Girl

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 21:47:05 2014 No.5289867 Wow, a shitposting thread about America vs. Europe, on /ck/? Maybe we can talk about Veganism next! How long have you been living The Kind Life?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 21:48:05 2014 No.5289870 >>5289867 Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 21:48:05 2014 No.5289871 >>5289106 Great rebuttal. You totally refuted my points.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 21:55:05 2014 No.5289884 >>5289859 I don't even know what you are talking about. Some kids stuff no doubt , comics or vidya games I bet. Not really willing to google.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 21:58:05 2014 No.5289890 Who the fuck even cares about this shit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 19 22:48:05 2014 No.5290040 Holy crap. Listening to BBC News and they are doing a story on the odd rules around bourbon production. He actually said it seemed strange to tell people how to make whiskey. You fucking hypocrites.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 20 00:09:05 2014 No.5290200 All the euros are alseeping. No one to argue with about cheese names :(

Anonymous Thu Mar 20 00:13:05 2014 No.5290206

>>5290040
BBC != news, it's overproduced politics.
NPR here is just as bad.

Everything especially BBC seems to have stupid background music and utter crapola instead of facts. I think facts scare them at the BBC, but it brings their budget up WAY HIGH.

NPR is just pathetic.

Anonymous Thu Mar 20 07:16:05 2014 No.5290814

>>5288602
Could be worse. Look into the "traditional knowledge" protections that a lot of third-world countries are trying to cram into international trade agreements as a new form of "intellectual property".

>abos learn to blow into the end of a hollow tree root to make sound
>oh, look, TRADITIONAL KNOWLEDGE
>witch doctor thinks some local herb cures cancer
>HEY AMERIFAT DRUG COMPANY, YOU CAN'T USE IT WITHOUT PAYING ROYALTIES
>drug company goes through $50,000,000 testing it, finds no effect
>how dare rich people use our traditional painting patterns without giving us free money for booze

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 20 20:17:05 2014 No.5292323 >>5290206 then what is real news?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 20 23:41:05 2014 No.5292773 >>5292323 Fox

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 20 23:49:05 2014 No.5292794 >>5292773 Accept no substitutes for gods word.

Anonymous Fri Mar 21 10:31:05 2014 No.5293440

>>5288822
>you can breed Charolais cattle outside of Charolais, the condition being that it's the actual breed or strain you claim it to be and not something else.
So, you kind of get it. Now if you can just apply that same principle to cheese names. . . .

I'm going to go home and have some nice Vermont cheddar. Cabot is not quite as good as Tillamook's cheddar (made in Oregon), but I can't get Tillamook here, and Cabot is still pretty good. And I know exactly what I'm getting -- cheddar cheese, made in Vermont.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 11:49:02 2014 No.5293513 >>5293440 Cabot is way better than tilamook you kook.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 12:58:02 2014 No.5293621 >>5293513 Tillamook makes a fabulous smoked cheddar.

Anonymous Fri Mar 21 16:52:58 2014 No.5294060

>>5293440
>So, you kind of get it. Now if you can just apply that same principle to cheese names. . . .
A breed of cattle carries its genetic material with it when you take it to a different continent, and will pass that onto its offspring. Cheese or wine does not have that, but is entirely dependent on a large number of environmental factors, and can therefore not be reproduced anywhere else but its origin.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 16:56:57 2014 No.5294074 >>5294060 I think you might actually believe that. What an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 17:00:57 2014 No.5294084 >>5294074 Perhaps you can in a lab with imported milk and cultures, but there's no way in hell you're going to be able to mass produce that at a lower cost than importing the real thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 17:07:58 2014 No.5294102 >>5294084 But muh science! I said science so I have to win!

Anonymous Fri Mar 21 17:34:57 2014 No.5294148

>>5294084
Classic European defeatist mentality.
What do you really even know about that shit anon?
All you know is that you have been taught that forging ahead is too difficult and that old tried and true methods must be adhered to to preserve blah fucking blah.
Your culture is weak and it sickens me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 18:55:53 2014 No.5294317 >>5293621 You can't smoke Cheddar, you idiot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 19:42:53 2014 No.5294434 >>5294148 It's funny because while you're shitposting about american cultural strength you probably also believe immigrants are why you're not a winner

Anonymous Fri Mar 21 20:29:06 2014 No.5294518
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>>5293440
>Vermont cheddar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_cheese#United_States_of_America
>labelled "white cheddar" or "Vermont cheddar" (regardless of whether it was actually produced there)
>mfw the amerifats can't even keep track of their own fucking states.
There goes the "these aren't names for places" defence.

Anonymous Fri Mar 21 20:52:06 2014 No.5294568

tl;dr

Protected country of origin is a bullshit concept and shouldn't be treated like an intellectual property.

Secondly, have you Europeans heard of generic trademarks? This is not a new concept.

Third, it's a lie that American knock offs like Kraft or whatever comes out of Wisconsin hurts the 'authentic european' products. The people who buy kraft don't know or care about the real thing. Parmegiano from Italy costs like $15/lb, Wisconsin parmesan is about $6-7/lb. European imported cheese price out a lot of people. They're not competing in the same market.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 21:39:07 2014 No.5294672 File: 92 KB, 613x960, polandball murrica.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5283276 >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHEESE_FIGHT

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 22:02:06 2014 No.5294712 >>5294518 You idiot, no one ever said these products were not named for places.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 22:05:07 2014 No.5294719 >>5294434 Actually I embrace immigration. My country is strong because we take the best genetics from the rest of the world. Superior humans come here and shed the bullshit traditions that kept them weak. Also hybrid vigor.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 21 22:07:06 2014 No.5294724 >>5283276 >realise When will the British learn to spell?

Anonymous Sat Mar 22 03:48:02 2014 No.5295363

>>5294712
see
>>5282865
>>5288787
>THESE NAMES DO NOT MEAN PLACES TO US!
If Vermont isn't considered a place to Americans, American geography skills has really gone to shits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEl-G3X5w6Q
>can't place the state of Hawaii on a map
>Alex Trebek: "Americans are wilfully ignorant when it comes to geography, adults as well as children"
As evidenced by this thread.

Anonymous Sat Mar 22 04:03:42 2014 No.5295385

>>5294568
>Protected country of origin is a bullshit concept and shouldn't be treated like an intellectual property.
It's not treated like intellectual property, because it's a completely separate issue from intellectual property.

>Secondly, have you Europeans heard of generic trademarks? This is not a new concept.
These aren't trademarks, they are treated separately from trademark law. None of that applies here.

>Third, it's a lie that American knock offs like Kraft or whatever comes out of Wisconsin hurts the 'authentic european' products.
I mostly agree, but it does hurt American importers of European products who are undercut by American agribusiness, and most of all it hurts consumers who might not know the difference. As seen in this thread, even Americans who are interested in food and cooking has relatively little knowledge of what happens outside the United States. They should at least be allowed to make an informed choice, there's no shame in having European and American cheese side by side in the grocery aisles. That is, unless American cheese is so bad that not even the poor would buy it unless they were duped into thinking it's something else.

>The people who buy kraft don't know or care about the real thing. Parmegiano from Italy costs like $15/lb, Wisconsin parmesan is about $6-7/lb. European imported cheese price out a lot of people. They're not competing in the same market.
Then why are you so insecure about your American cheese that you have to borrow names for it from somewhere else? There's no reason why you can't keep making it if there is a market for it. Maybe there's even an export market in Europe and other regions.

This has been asked several times in this thread, and has yet to be answered.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 10:40:33 2014 No.5295777 It's like the euros in this thread are being purposefully ignorant. They cannot understand cultural differences. It's just like how they can't stop moaning about Americans tipping. Fucking crybabies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 10:53:33 2014 No.5295810 >>5295777 They have come to understand the extent of their irrelevance and are having a tough time dealing with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:02:33 2014 No.5295818 >>5295777 for such a "rich" culture they sure are cheap

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:02:33 2014 No.5295820 >>5295777 Trips for truth

Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:06:33 2014 No.5295825

Britfag living in Aus here. All good aus cheese is imported because all milk here is pasteurised by law - pretty much kills the ability to produce a good cheese.

The argument over labelling is butthurt on both sides - as far as I know, wrappers or packaging generally state the manufacturer or country of origin both of which will tell you what you need to know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:17:03 2014 No.5295831 >>5295825 You are confusing 'butthurt' on the American side with 'our sides being in orbit over the insecurities of an ever increasing irrelevancy of the European continent'

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:19:04 2014 No.5295833 >>5295825 Surely milk must be pasturized only before sale to the public. This cannot possibly effect cheese production right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:20:03 2014 No.5295835 >>5295831 Pro tip: if you want to not seem like you're desperately samefagging, eliminate the use of "irrelevancy" for the next 11 or so posts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:22:03 2014 No.5295839 >>5295835 The sooner you learn to accept it, the sooner you can move on to more irrelevant endeavors which won't matter to anyone but you.

Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:26:03 2014 No.5295842

>>5295839

Learn to accept your samefagging? It doesn't matter whether I accept it or not, you'll do what you want. I'm just trying to help you out since you are struggling to make your point. Mix up the phrasing and word choice a little. This is samefagging 101.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:27:03 2014 No.5295845 >>5295831 Pedro please

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:29:03 2014 No.5295849 >>5295842 Struggling to make my point to an inbred europoor hick is not relevant to my argument. Better?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:29:03 2014 No.5295850 >>5295842 Shut up . We saved your butts in the war.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:33:04 2014 No.5295856 File: 37 KB, 108x119, 1395501658464.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5295850 Which war would that be, and where exactly do you think I am?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:38:03 2014 No.5295867 >>5295856 Every time there is trouble anywhere you Fuckers always come crying to America to save you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:40:51 2014 No.5295868 >>5295867 >they had a domestic political disagreement, they were ASKING to get invaded That sounds a lot like a kind of rape justification.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:48:05 2014 No.5295882 >>5295868 The phrase 'can't rape the willing' comes to mind

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 11:56:05 2014 No.5295891 >>5295868 Just like we "invaded" Haiti when they had that flood last year.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 12:04:51 2014 No.5295908 >>5295891 And caused a cholera epidemic which killed a fuck ton of people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 12:09:51 2014 No.5295912 >>5295908 Well if you invite me over to watch a movie we get me all hot and bothered and we have sex which you didn't ask me to wear a condom then guess what you got the herpes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 12:20:51 2014 No.5295956 >>5295818 >mandating reasonable wages >cheap

Anonymous Sat Mar 22 12:28:51 2014 No.5295980

>>5295833
>Surely milk must be pasturized only before sale to the public.
Of course not. Unpasteurized milk production is usually subject to stricter hygiene requirements, but I don't see why those hygiene requirements shouldn't be applied across the board.

>This cannot possibly effect cheese production right?
Pasteurization kills off all the micro-organisms native to the region that contribute to the cheese's taste and texture. This also one of the reason why you can't make cheeses outside of their native regions, a different culture gives a different taste and texture.

Anonymous Sat Mar 22 12:31:52 2014 No.5295986

>>5295956
Minimum wage laws do nothing. If the product of your labor is worth less than the new minimum wage then you just get fired.
If you have any skills that make you worth more than minimum wage , you would have been getting paid fairly already.
You people really need to into economics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 12:33:51 2014 No.5295993 >>5295980 But the cheese makers are free to use unpasteurized milk to make the cheese. Your argument is invalid.

Anonymous Sat Mar 22 12:38:51 2014 No.5296006

>>5295993
>But the cheese makers are free to use unpasteurized milk to make the cheese.
In the US? But they'd still have to import the milk from the native regions, and that would probably be uneconomical and uncertain to even be successful. Not exactly something that would bolster the domestic dairy farmers either, it would make a lot more sense to make original American cheese with American milk in an American environment in the United States of America.

For all we know there could be a huge untapped resource of amazing cheese, but we'll never know, because Americans are too insecure to even try.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 12:52:51 2014 No.5296041 >>5296006 Good god you are an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 12:55:51 2014 No.5296051 >>5296041 I know, I could have never said >For all we know there could be a huge untapped resource of amazing cheese in person with a straight face. I'm just trying to throw them a bone, after all that's what diplomacy is all about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 12:57:51 2014 No.5296055 >>5296051 That and your reading comprehension sucks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 12:58:51 2014 No.5296057 >>5296055 Care to point out my supposed misunderstanding?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 14:09:53 2014 No.5296179 >>5296057 Not wasting anymore precious posts on your ignorance. We are very close to the post limit now. You will have to sort it out on your own. You are not at all good at seeing something from another perspective. You might have ass burgers.

Anonymous Sat Mar 22 14:14:53 2014 No.5296184

>>5296179
You could have used that one post to explain it and saved me from using another post asking you once more to explain yourself. This post could have easily contained a correction to the supposed erroneous statement. Better yet, you could have made your point four posts ago and we would have wasted even fewer posts.

Yet now we have six whole posts that add nothing to the discussion because you can't articulate yourself but have to resort to ad hominems.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 14:14:53 2014 No.5296185 >>5296179 What is a post limit?

Anonymous Sat Mar 22 15:36:06 2014 No.5296308

>>5295385
>Then why are you so insecure about your American cheese that you have to borrow names for it from somewhere else?

Short answer is "Because that's what they're already called". You don't just change the name of something common that has been called that thing since it was created even if it's technically wrong. A peanut isn't a pea nor a nut, but we're not just going to suddenly start calling them bumpybeans. But on the topic of 'insecurity'...

So, Europeans tend to have pride in their ancestry and the long history of their individual nations. Each country has it's own regional dishes, drinks, tradititions and language that is hundreds of years old. So, I guess the idea of calling a cheese made in America an Italian name can be confusing for Europeans (or... Canadians?), because wow where's the pride in your nation???

American's tradition IS European tradition (Along with Asian, Latin-American, African etc). Most non-black Americans you talk to today probably don't have many, if any, ancestors that were even in the country prior to late-19th/early-20th century. There are probably more American-born people that will tell you "Yeah, I'm Italian/part Italian" than there are Italians in all of Italy. I say that because... If you're a European who only hears ironic shitposting teenage Americans on 4chan, you might not understand how even those most Americany Americans will, to some extent, self-identify as having foreign roots.

Stories about how immigrants came to the country and started a business making such-and-such product they were so familiar with in their homeland is the kind of shit we LOVE. That's where the pride is. To deny the link between cultures and pretend that everything in America happened independently in the Freedom Dimension is as insecure as an American can be.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 22 16:31:53 2014 No.5296399 >>5296185 On /ck/ there is a 300 post limit. No one knows what actually happens because no thread has made it to 300 posts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 23 02:53:10 2014 No.5297571 >>5294317 You can tune a guitar, but you can't tune a fish.

Anonymous Sun Mar 23 03:05:10 2014 No.5297590

>>5294518
>labelled "white cheddar" or "Vermont cheddar" (regardless of whether it was actually produced there)
>mfw the amerifats can't even keep track of their own fucking states.
I'm gonna add a [citation needed] tag to that. I've never seen any cheese labelled as "Vermont cheddar" unless it was actually made in Vermont.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 23 03:07:11 2014 No.5297595 >>5297571 Steam rollers don't roll steam.

Anonymous Sun Mar 23 03:07:11 2014 No.5297596

>>5295385
>It's not treated like intellectual property, because it's a completely separate issue from intellectual property.
Wrong. It's treated as a special category of trademark, both in the US and Europe, and follows trademark laws in general, which is a form of intellectual property.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 23 03:08:10 2014 No.5297597 >>5295777 >It's like the euros in this thread are being purposefully ignorant. >the euros in this thread are being purposefully ignorant >the euros are being purposefully ignorant >the euros are ignorant Fixed it for ya.

Anonymous Sun Mar 23 03:13:10 2014 No.5297603

>>5295868
>Indonesia has an earthquake
>America sends an aircraft carrier
>Europeans laugh
>Americans point out that the carrier has:
>* onboard clinic for major medical trauma
>* desalination plant for water production
>* helicopters for transporting supplies and injured
>* onboard machining centers to make critical parts for repairs
>* an entire city full of able-bodied men to do the heavy lifting
>* communications out the wazoo
>* a whole bunch of other stuff useful in disaster recovery
>Indians mention that the Europeans didn't send jack-shit

America: 1
Europe: 0

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 23 03:14:10 2014 No.5297605 >>5295908 That was the Nepalese troops that the UN airlifted in. We don't have cholera in the U.S., generally speaking, and when some third-worlder brings it over we give him antibiotics to kill it.

Anonymous Sun Mar 23 03:16:10 2014 No.5297609

>>5296399
It's not a limit on the number of posts, it's a limit on whether the thread will get bumped or not. Once you hit 300, the thread slides off the end of the board no matter how many new posts are added.

Mods can change that, as they have done for the /ck/ Challenge threads, or can tack a thread. This one isn't especially important, though, so will probably die a natural death.

Anonymous Sun Mar 23 04:26:14 2014 No.5297678

>>5297596
>Wrong. It's treated as a special category of trademark, both in the US and Europe, and follows trademark laws in general, which is a form of intellectual property.
No, PDO is a sui generis concept. Trademark is connected to an owner, not a product. Trademark owners can use trademark licenses to emulate PDO, provided the trademark can even be registered in the areas you want it to apply, and the whole procedure has to be repeated ad nauseum at great expense and little benefit to those it seeks to protect.

Anonymous Sun Mar 23 04:32:14 2014 No.5297687

>>5297605
It doesn't help that the Haitians are habitual shit eaters. Walking through open sewers and preparing their dirt cookies on the now contaminated ground. What's worse they pay actual money for the dirt itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3337cj4sJQ

Anonymous Sun Mar 23 07:26:36 2014 No.5297800

>>5297678
>No, PDO is a sui generis concept.
Trademarks designate the origin of a product. PDO designates the region of origin of a product.

They are not dissimilar, and the core concepts transfer pretty much directly. Your argument is like saying "certification marks are sui generis because who would have ever thought to use a trademark to certify that a product has passed some sort of test?! Holy crap, they must be sui generis!!!" A PDO is nothing more than a certification mark designating a location, just like "UL" means that an electrical product has passed Underwriters Labs' testing process, or "CE" means that the fucking Europeans have taken their EuroGeld.

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