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My family owns a bagel shop in Cali but it doesn't sell well.

What kind of bagels does /ck/ like?

>> No.5056318

I SEVERELY dislike the kinds of bagels in the picture, not because I dislike poppyseeds/caraway seeds/whatever the fuck you put on them, but because they ALWAYS fall off and make a god damn mess wherever you're eating that bagel.

>> No.5056330

bagels in california is probably the first problem. i don't know exactly how much truth there is to the stereotype of there being a large percentage of health conscious people in california, but assuming there ARE then they know bagels are a shit ton of calories. and so theyre probably avoiding it. switch over to sandwiches with high quality ingredients and offer bagelwiches/bagels as breakfast items/on the bottom of the menu after your sandwiches. you cant go wrong with sandwiches. or maybe you can. i dont know i dont live in california nor do i own a business. good luck.

>> No.5056335

>>5056315
try a protein bagel
or a low calorie one

because
>>5056330

>> No.5056341

I've never really seen the big deal with bagels. The only ones I've ever had (store bought) were always chewy and flavourless. Nevr actually had a proper bagel, but I don't see how you can get that much flavour into them.

OP's pic does look delicious though, but I wouldn't go out of my way to go buy that sandwich from a shop. I don't think Cali is the right market for bagels?

>> No.5056342

>>5056318
That's cause they don't know how to do a eggwhite wash to correctly adhere the seeds.

>> No.5056356
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5056356

are they good bagels?

are they?

>> No.5056362

Jalapeño cheddar are what I get when I visit my local bagel place. They have cheese/peppers in the dough as well as on top. Toasted with a bit of cream cheese, they are the best god damn thing.

>> No.5056363

>>5056315
>lettuce and some sort of meat salad
absolutelydisgusting.jpg

There are only 2 correct forms of bagel sandwich: eggs, cheddar, and breakfast meat, and lox and cream cheese with all the fixings. Stay away from trendy imposters.

>>5056341
>I don't think Cali is the right market for bagels
This is also true. I used to live in CA. Even if they could recognize a decent bagel when they saw it, they'd just throw some sprouts and avocado on it. Makes me sick.

>> No.5056372

>>5056330
Noah's bagels doesn't seem to have any trouble staying in business in the East Bay.

There is some truth to the stereotypes about people living in CA, but these things aren't universally applicable. There are plenty of people here who would never think about counting calories.

>> No.5056377

>>5056330
>>5056363
>>5056372
Bagel shops in LA generally do pretty well for the same reason they do well in New York.

Jews.

>> No.5056381

>>5056363
>Even if they could recognize a decent bagel when they saw it, they'd just throw some sprouts and avocado on it.

having spent a lot of time in noah's bagels as kid and teen, I never witnessed this. if a bagel place had avocado and sprouts as an available option, it makes sense people would get it since it's rare to find it elsewhere probably. now that you mention it though, spreading some avocado on a toasted bagel with salt and pepper sounds pleasant enough. sprouts I'm not so sure about

getting a toasted bagel with cream cheese and a bottle of orangina from noah's after school were great times

>> No.5056392

>>5056381
>toasted

>> No.5056401

Salt bagel w lox flavored cream cheese

CANNOT BE TOPPED!!!

>> No.5056403

This bagel isn't boiled therefore its going to taste like shit. Look up how to make bagels before selling.

>> No.5056404

>>5056377
I'm jewish and I hate bagels

>> No.5056406

>>5056381
Mmmmm, Noah's.
There's one just a couple blocks from my house. Sometimes on Sunday morning, before everyone else gets up, I'll walk down there and get a mix and match dozen with some shmear and have it sitting out when everyone gets up. I love a poppyseed bagel with some chive and onion shmear on it.

>> No.5056409

Only kind of bagel I'll touch is whole wheat with no added oil. You guys have anything like that?

>> No.5056411

that one guy in NY made a fortune with his cronuts. Maybe you could do a bagel/pretzel hybrid? Bagel dunked in lye, sprinkled with kosher salt? A pragel!

>> No.5056436

chocolate chip

>> No.5056446

>>5056411
No, but that would just be a pretzel bun... Oh, I get it.

>> No.5056483

Everything toasted with a fucking metric ton of cream cheese.

>> No.5056604

>>5056315
>Cali

Well that alone proves you're not actually in or from California. Try again next time OP.

>> No.5056633

>>5056315
Salt beef or pastrami.

>> No.5056664

>>5056604
I say Cali all the time you fucking autist.
Op.
I get an onion bagel, put fried salami on that shit, white white like a craka do

>> No.5056697

Fried egg with mayo, sprouts and tomato. Maybe a sliver of onion.

Turkey with cream cheese, tomato, onion, avocado, etc.

Smoked fish with cream cheese sounds good too.

>> No.5056709

>>5056604
Uh many people say Cali especially in text.

>> No.5057531

Tiki
Bagel

>> No.5057573
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5057573

Foie gras bagels would probably sell pretty well.

Who doesn't love foie gras?

>> No.5057584

>>5057573
>Who doesn't love foie gras?
Bleeding heart liberal vegan faggots.

>> No.5057612

>>5056330

I live in one of the biggest hippy towns in the country and we have many bagel shops that do well

>> No.5057621

>>5057612

that said the most popular place(s) are a local chain and the vast majority of what they sell are closer to sandwiches than anything

the put cream cheese on both sides and then top them with a lot of green onions, then put whatever toppings

>> No.5057633

>>5057612

I had a good bagel sandwich in Boulder once.

>> No.5057638

>>5056315

Try making it more of a sandwich shop with bagels too...

>> No.5057641

>>5056315
pretzels were trending not too long ago. try making pretzel bagels.

>>5057573
>>5057584
yeah foie gras bagels sound delicious but bagel shops usually sell to liberal vegan swaggots so it wouldn't work out well

fucking hipsters hating the best foods because they're "cooler" than everyone else

>> No.5057926

DIET BAGEL

>> No.5058012

>>5056403
This anon is right. You've fucked up the most basic requirement by not boiling the bagels. Steaming doesn't cut it, you just end up with shitty round bread like they serve at Noah's.

>> No.5058015

>>5057573

Is that wd~50?

>> No.5058063

A bagel shop i used to go to made an awesome bagel they called the BART;
Bacon
Avocado
Rocket
Tomato
With some mayo and tomato relish.

It was heavenly!

>> No.5058081

Where in Cali is your bagel shop?

If its near me I'll go there, but whatever the cute girl behind the register recommends and give a review of your place.

Bagels are super filling and usually expensive for no reason. But if you find a place with a lot of jews (West LA) then you should be fine.

>> No.5058652

>>5056315
>>5057191
this. this is best bagel

>> No.5058662

>>5058063
rocket?

>> No.5058672
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>>5058662

>> No.5058676

if you could replicate the cinnamon crunch bagel at panera bread, you'd selll an assload of them. they usually sell out before lunch. i have to agree with the people saying pretzel bagel. as someone who doesn't care what's "trending" and isn't going to not enjoy something just because its popular, i'd definitely try that.

>> No.5058683

I worked at a bagel shop in WA for a long time. I loved the Pesto bagels, people love pesto. We also had this sundried tomato cream chee that was spectacular on any kind of sammich.

We also did pizza bagels which is where we dunked the bagels in tomato sauce and filled the holes with mozerella before baking, and bagel pizzas where we proofed the dough extra long and didn't boil it, then flattened it out to personal pizza size. We got really creative with the pizza bagels. Asiago chee, etc. They sold well.

I worked at a place where we did scrambled eggs from a milk steamer (it gets plenty hot enough, and SUPER fluffy), it might be hard to put them on bagels, but you could offer some kind of scrambler cup for those watching their carbs.

>> No.5058685

good bagels need
-high gluten flour, very high, that flour your using probably isn't high enough
-right mineral content in the water. straight municipal tap water isn't going to cut it
-lye. you have to boil them in water containing enough lye. baking soda and egg washes is heresy and not sufficient.

>> No.5058689

Why are bagels even a thing?

>> No.5058690

>>5058689
because you can put rings of bread on a stick to carry them as you walk through a city selling the bread.

>> No.5058875

>>5056709
I lived in California for 28 years and never heard anyone call it Cali.

>> No.5058876

>>5058689
Jews.

>> No.5058878

>>5058875
Do people say Chi-Town? How is that even pronounced?

>> No.5058908

>>5056315

Add flatbreads. Seriously, offer the choice between a bagel and a flatbread and your sales will triple.

Source: Family friend nearly went out of business with a bagel shop, added flatbreads and has been profitable for 2 years now

>> No.5058917

If they are failing im sure its because of the atmosphere or the lack of good tea/drinks to pair with the bagels.

>> No.5058928

>>5058878
yes. 'shy town'

>> No.5058930

>>5058875

Fellow Californian here. I hear/see "SoCal" and "NorCal" (the latter less often), but never Cali. All of my east coast friends say Cali though. No idea why.

As for OP, I like cinnamon raisin bagels but it's hard to find a good one. A lot of the ones I've tried have been way too sweet, sticky, or overpowering in some way or another (e.g. too much cinnamon, too many raisins). Find a good balance in your recipe and I'd be an eternal customer.

>> No.5058938

>>5058928
I always read it as "Chee-Town" which sounded fucking retarded. Shy town doesn't sound much better.

>> No.5058965

>>5058930
I live in central California. I see "NorCal" EVERYWHERE. I see "Cali" to a lesser extent but it's around. Mostly Cali and NorCal are used by dudebros.

>mfw I work with a girl that has "Cali Girl" surrounded by poppies tattooed on her stomach

>> No.5058977

>>5058878
same as "Chai"

>> No.5058988

Native Californian here. People don't say Cali here. Also, native San Franciscan. People don't say Frisco there. Quit listening to LL Cool J and move on.

>> No.5059203

>>5056315
Show us some bagels from your shop!

>> No.5059215

>>5057612
Humboldt by any chance?

>> No.5059246

native san dieagan.

everyone says cali socal norcal

>> No.5059257

>>5056315
bagel shops typically only do well if they're in places on peoples way to work.

food allergies are pretty popular right now, try gluten free/vegan/fair trade organic/locally sourced.

i always get everything bagels with vegetable cream cheese.

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5059277

>>5058988
hell yeah native san franciscans

>> No.5059278

>>5059277
SF is one of the places I'm considering moving to for work.

Whelp.

>> No.5059280

>>5059278
It's cool but it's expensive as shit but if you're moving here for work you're probably a techie so it doesn't matter that it's expensive as shit but if you're a techie fuck off and die you techie piece of shit.

Shit's complicated.

>> No.5059286

Cinnamon Raisin with cream cheese and strawberry preserves, please.

Bagel heavily toasted only on the cut side.

That's my go-to for late morning Sunday breakfast.

>> No.5059337

>>5059278
Big mistake

>> No.5059341

>>5059280
I'm not a techie. I work in non-profits.

Whelp.

>> No.5059343

>>5059341
Yeah you're probably looking at living in Oakland, not in the city.

Which is fine. Oakland is fine.

>> No.5059346

>>5059343
Good to know, thank you.

>> No.5059349

i like dick flavored bagols because im a fat cunt heueheuheueehue

>> No.5059360

Cream cheese, Lox, tomato, lettuce

Best bagel of all time.

>> No.5059363

>>5059360

what the fuck is Lox

>> No.5059366

>>5059343
You liar.
>mfw part of Oakland is on fire every other weekend.
>mfw hey look a small riot turned over some police cars and set them on fire
>mfw oh look, the residents of Oakland set something on fire again.
>fire fire fire fire

>> No.5059371

>>5056315
Everything bagel w/ Lox and/or fish paste. Delicious, yet I could kill a man with my breath afterwards.

>> No.5059374
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5059374

>>5059366
Nevermind, I take it back.

>> No.5059377

>>5059371

what the FUCK is lox

>> No.5059378

>>5059377
smoked salmon

>> No.5059391

>>5059366
I don't think it's THAT bad unless you're living in the actual fucking ghetto.

>> No.5059400

>>5056411
real bagels are boiled with lye anyway

>> No.5059412

>>5059363
salmon, you idiot

>> No.5059416
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5059416

>>5057573
Don't eat my liver, pleez! It hurts from being fed so much. I want my mommy!

>> No.5059430

>>5059416
Can it, duck. You can't speak English and you probably don't even remember what your mommy looks like. I can't wait until you're dead.

>> No.5059439

I work at my university's food court where they have Einstein's bagels, I'm able to take home a dozen or two every week for the roommates and I, they're pretty good. Wouldn't pay for them though, and not paying attention to their calories.

OP, if your family wants to do well, be accessible to college kids. Cause holy shit do they spend a lot of money. If your place comes off as trendy and local and decently good, then you can have a college kid customer base. That's assuming you're near one.

And since it's relevant to the thread, native northern Californian. I've only said Cali in text, never out loud. And going to school in southern California, just saying "I'm from Norcal" is easier than anything else.

>> No.5059466

>>5056363
>they'd just throw some sprouts and avocado on it

this is not an exaggeration. Californians put avacado on fucking everything. It's like a mental disorder.

>> No.5059467

>>5059466
When you can buy a bag of 10 avocados for $1.99, you'd put it on everything too.

>> No.5059471

>>5056315
Right, does your family's business offer delivery to local coffee shops? We made the majority of our money delivering anywhere between 10 and 100 pagels every morning to coffee shops, universities, churches, etc.

you got to network.

>> No.5059484

Start selling grilled cheese bagels, or making burgers with them.

I'd stop and buy one.

>> No.5059491

>>5058938
Well if you said it phonetically it would sound like Shittown.

>> No.5059505

>>5056363
californians sound like real assholes.


seeded or covered in some sort of cheese (my fave is asiago) are the only acceptable bagels. but in general, bagel sandwiches just aren't that great, just something different. bagel pizza is pretty great though

>> No.5059510

>>5059416
Retarded duck who lost a fight with another duck who wanted to rape his lady duck (who he was also raping)