/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.4984548]

Firstly, the purported dangers secondhand smoke is largely bullshit. Secondly, it should be the business owner's decision whether to allow smoking or not in his restaurant or bar.

[Anonymous No.4984551]

most people dont want to smell smoke while they're eating

but yes it should be the owners decision

[Anonymous No.4984556]

>buttdevastated chimney detected

Just because you can't smell or taste your food anymore doesn't mean the rest of us in the restaurant want to live like that.

[Anonymous No.4984560]

our city passed an anti smoking ban.

Even in your own car, you can't smoke if there are other people in it who don't.

[Anonymous No.4984562]

>>4984556
Then you should choose to eat at a restaurant that doesn't allow smoking. Not have the government make the choice for us.

[Anonymous No.4984572]

>>4984560
I think that businesses should be given the options to have smoking sections. At the very least drinking places. I mean, not every place can manage to have a garden or similar.

Honestly I don't really care as long as people don't spit at me on the street for smoking like you see people do in Amurica.

[Anonymous No.4984573]

>>4984548
>the purported dangers secondhand smoke is largely bullshit
[citation non-existent]

[Anonymous No.4984580]

>>4984548
agree wholeheartedly op

[Anonymous No.4984597]

While i philosophically agree with you, its pretty not having to worry about everywhere you go out smelling like complete shit

[Anonymous No.4984598]

>>4984548
>Secondly, it should be the business owner's decision whether to allow smoking or not in his restaurant or bar.
Will the business owner be liable for the health of his/her employees?

>muh freedom

[Anonymous No.4984602]

>>4984598
>Will the business owner be liable for the health of his/her employees?
Its not like they are slaves.

it would be one thing if you exposed children to this shit, but no way should they be liable for fully consenting adults

[Anonymous No.4984603]

I strongly agree with you OP, on both points.

I'll always wait until someone has finished eating before I light up, and if I don't know that they're alright with it, I'll ask if they mind me smoking. I know it bothers some people and it's not hard to go without for an hour or two.

But not being able to smoke in ANY part of ANY pub, EVER? That's just fucked up on a level I'm not used to. The result of this where I am has been mostly to make people stay at home, and in many cases this means smoking and drinking in front of the kids, whereas before they'd have done it in a child-free environment. And the kids almost always follow the parent's example.

So many pubs have gone out of business as a result, and a lot of these pubs were fundamental in keeping a community together, they were a place where people would meet in groups and discuss local events/problems, and the erosion of this is a million times worse than having to sit near an indoor smoking area while you drink your white wine. Not to mention the lives ruined by bankruptcy trying to keep a pub going with no customers.

If we (Brits) lived in a democracy, there would've been a vote on this shit. I don't remember being asked or even told that this was gonna happen, it was just overnight: "Sorry sir, I'm afraid you'll have to take that outside. New regulations."

Fucking any nanny statists saying the government was right to sneak this through should be shot, as should those sly fucks who enforce the ban by hanging around pubs looking for violations of the ban and fining the pub's owner. Scum.

/rant

[Anonymous No.4984605]

Look mamms! I'm trollan /ck/1

[Anonymous No.4984606]

>>4984603
>So many pubs have gone out of business as a result
People stopped going to pubs entirely because they couldn't partake in an additional addiction?

>and a lot of these pubs were fundamental in keeping a community together
The community was kept together by a psychoactive drug? England.

[Anonymous No.4984607]

>Tobacco smokers complaining about anything.
It's a legal substance, lucky bastards.

That said I personally love the smell of good rolling tobacco, and if an owner/manager wants to allow people to smoke then that is all that matters in that establishment, don't go there if you don't like it.

[Anonymous No.4984608]

>>4984602
>Its not like they are slaves.
>it would be one thing if you exposed children to this shit, but no way should they be liable for fully consenting adults
I bet you also think the government shouldn't be funding research and public education relating to carcinogen exposure.

[Anonymous No.4984609]

>>4984597
For smokers the opposite is true, especially in clubs. Smoking used to mask a lot of the other smells like BO, stale beer and pissy toilets. Non-smokers may prefer those smells but smokers certainly don't.

[Anonymous No.4984610]

>>4984562
So we should have our choices of food limited because you cant go a goddamn hour without smoking, stinking up the place, and trying to give us cancer? And as for "largely bullshit" the only research that says that is research funded by the tobacco industry (88 TIMES more likely to find SHS isnt causal related to cancers than independent research)

[Anonymous No.4984612]

I really want to agree with you, but I was in an Indian casino this summer briefly that still was allowed to let people smoke, and it was really fucking awful

[Anonymous No.4984615]

>>4984609
Stale beer smell seems preferable to cigarettes

[Anonymous No.4984616]

>>4984608
I mean who the fuck doesn;t already know that?

Do really really need to spend tax payer money on something literally everyone is already aware of?

[Anonymous No.4984618]

>>4984606
>People stopped going to pubs entirely because they couldn't partake in an additional addiction?
No, but enough people stopped going as often, which (combined with the rise of pubco corporations ripping off pub landlords) put a huge strain on many pub's economic viability. A shitload have closed since the ban and a lot of landlords blame the ban.

>The community was kept together by a psychoactive drug?
No, the community was kept together by having a common space to meet up and discuss local matters, especially in more rural areas. Now these pubs are either closed or hostile to smokers, people stay home more, there is less socializing which is obviously bad for a community.

[Anonymous No.4984622]

>>4984610
>trying to give us cancer
Your credibility just dropped even further.

[Anonymous No.4984623]

>>4984618
what the fuck sort of redneck backwater are you from?

Everything I have heard suggested that smoking bans ended up being beneficial to business. Turns out people like consuming things more frequently when a place doesn't smell like complete utter shit

[Anonymous No.4984627]

How far did you get in school, OP?

[Anonymous No.4984628]

>>4984610
No one's stopping you from stuffing your face all you like at any restaurant. What's more important is that the proprietor be allowed to accommodate smokers if he wishes. It's his money, his business, his rules. You're clearly the type who is not disturbed when the government takes away our rights as long as it doesn't happen to inconvenience you, so what more is there to discuss?

I might as well throw in that my argument isn't contingent on whether or not secondhand smoke kills you dead or not. I happen to believe that the research behind it is filled with junk science.

Note that

[Anonymous No.4984632]

smoking thread on /ck/? fuck you you asshole. I hope you get cancer and die a painful death. fucking faggot with your faggot addictions.
FUCK YOU.

go stink out your fucking coffin. people like you should be neutered and/or killed off.

oooh i need my nicotine fix..... oooooh poor me.

who gives a fuck about your addiction. go fuck yourself you disgusting stinking scum of a human.

[Anonymous No.4984633]

>>4984623
This.

I have nothing against smokers. I'll happily sit next to a whole bar full of them. I even like the smell to some degree. But I'm going to drink a hell of a lot more if I'm in a place that doesn't allow smoking. The smoke causes my eyes to get really heavy and coupled with booze, I'm ready to hit the sack pretty early. I'll close a bar down at 2 without the smoke.

[Anonymous No.4984635]

>>4984610
Restaurants should be able to choose which kind of customer they cater for. If so many people avoid their smoking-friendly restaurant that it affects profits, then they'll likely be replaced by a non-smoking establishment.

[Anonymous No.4984637]

>>4984633
We aren't discussing what may or may not be profitable for a business, but the fundamental rights of a business owner.

[Anonymous No.4984640]

>>4984632
Do you include cigars in that angry, sputtering, rage filled post?
I know a few people who only smoke them (taste them) on special occasions and they aren't addicted.

[Anonymous No.4984642]

>>4984635
I think its telling that restaurants and tavern leagues are not lobbying for a lift of the ban

[Anonymous No.4984651]

>>4984637
The thing is, they aren't your rights if it's not your city. You applied for a license to operate a business there, which means you must abide by the policies the local, state or country government imposes.

[Anonymous No.4984655]

>>4984651
Way to state the obvious. The issue is that these laws are bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4984657]

OP, as someone who has asthma and has to avoid fuckers like you constantly, may I say a hearty FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING STUPID FUCK.

[Anonymous No.4984658]

>>4984651
I feel like this is a good time to bring up how corrupt and ridiculous the concept that you must buy a license to do business is. Cities should only be allowed to control zoning, not shake down citizens for the right to do business

[Anonymous No.4984661]

>>4984655
A lot of laws are bullshit. Which makes this thread futile and pointless. If it's something you're passionate enough about, then it's time to pool resources and get that lobby going.

[Anonymous No.4984665]

anti-smoking laws are anti freedom and by definition, anti-american

Regards,
Mr. America

[Anonymous No.4984666]

>>4984623
>>4984633
>http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2445/biased_bbc_curious_case_of_the_forgotten_smoking_ban
Everything you have heard seems to be wrong, unless it was in relation to a different country. In Britain, pub closures quadrupled after the ban.

>>4984642
http://www.amendthesmokingban.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_ban_in_England#Opposition_to_the_ban
>"Five years after the introduction of the smoking ban in England, almost seven out of 10 licensees want the legislation amended to allow for separate smoking rooms in pubs".

[Anonymous No.4984683]

>>4984616
>Do really really need to spend tax payer money on something literally everyone is already aware of?
How would people know second hand tobacco smoke is unhealthy if not for third party research and dissemination?

[Anonymous No.4984688]

>>4984666
The unemployment and tax losses as a result of pub closures (which sell ethanol, a huge burden on society) will never equal or exceed the gains resulting from a reduction in healthcare costs resulting from less exposure to tobacco smoke.

Only retards would think pub closures are a huge burden to society.

[Anonymous No.4984689]

>>4984683
>How would people know second hand tobacco smoke is unhealthy if not for third party research and dissemination
This research is conclusive and common knowledge. Absolutely no reason to spend future money on it (not that they were wrong to spend money on it at one point in the past)

[Anonymous No.4984690]

>>4984689
So what are you arguing about?

[Anonymous No.4984695]

>>4984688
>which sell ethanol, a huge burden on society
Nope

Moderate drinkers are healthier and live longer than abstainers

[Anonymous No.4984698]

>>4984695
Ethanol isn't a burden on society? Please provide evidence that the social costs do not exceed the social gains. The burden of proof is on you.

[Anonymous No.4984702]

When my neighborhood (KCMO) introduced a smoking ban a bunch of bars shut down and re-opened a few miles in the adjacent suburbs that do allow smoking. Those that stayed often built patios and introduced outdoor service. It didn't seem to affect the restaurant scene much, but smoking was, is, and always will be a big counterpart to drinking.

[Anonymous No.4984704]

>>4984698
>The burden of proof is on you.
um, why?

You are the crusader, sound like you must be some sort of religious zealot.

[Anonymous No.4984706]

>>4984698
define social costs/gains
you can't because sociology is bullshit

[Anonymous No.4984709]

>>4984704
>um, why?
In 1992, the social cost of alcoholism in America was $148,000,000,000. Please find evidence of ethanol benefiting American society that exceeds this value (21 years ago).

[Anonymous No.4984711]

>>4984695
yet no medical association in the world advises people to begin drinking. Why? Because the mild benefits to moderate drinkers are outweighed by the extreme costs borne by problem drinkers

[Anonymous No.4984712]

>>4984706
>define social costs/gains
Healthcare costs.

[Anonymous No.4984716]

>>4984709
>he social cost of alcoholism in America was $148,000,000,000.
Gonna have to explain that one. Its almost certainly bullshit

[Anonymous No.4984718]

>>4984548

>the purported dangers of secondhand smoke is largely bullshit

So says the tobacco lobby

[Anonymous No.4984720]

>>4984711
problem drinkers are a ridiculously small portion of people who drink, to set public policy based on such a small minority is just dumb

[Anonymous No.4984721]

>>4984698
actually, the burden of proof is on you since you're making the accusation (that ethanol is a burden on society)

[Anonymous No.4984722]

>>4984716
>how do I look up data in Google Scholar

[Anonymous No.4984723]

>>4984721
>actually, the burden of proof is on you since you're making the accusation (that ethanol is a burden on society)
This is a known fact.

[Anonymous No.4984724]

>>4984722
>you should have to find a source for MY information

[Anonymous No.4984726]

>>4984723
beer was the very thing that created society, how could it possibly be a burden?

[Anonymous No.4984727]

>>4984720
>CDC reports excessive alcohol consumption cost the U.S. $224 billion in 2006
Durrrr not cancer isn't a big deal and doesn't have a social cost, just ignore it

[Anonymous No.4984728]

Jesus, anti-alcohol religious southerners are the worst

Notice how all of the nicer states drink more and live longer than the shitty southern ones

[Anonymous No.4984729]

>>4984724
If you can't provide data for your opinion don't even get involved in an argument.

>>4984726
How cute, a Discovery Channel argument. Or did you get it from Cracked.com?

[Anonymous No.4984731]

As a smoker, I think the ban on smoking indoors is fine. I don't like second hand smoke either. I like going outside to smoke, even if it's cold.

That said, the people who walk by when I'm smoking outside (plenty far away from the door) and do their little fake cough, or make a remark, are fucking hilarious. I don't give two shits and I'll make sure you know that. I'm not smoking it at the bar, table, or office next to you. Your dumb ass decided to walk right by me. If you don't like the smoke smell outside, you can stay at home.

[Anonymous No.4984732]

>>4984720
violent criminals are a ridiculously small portion of people, to set public policy based on such a small minority is dumb

[Anonymous No.4984733]

>>4984728

[Anonymous No.4984737]

>>4984728
It's like you have no abstract thought. Maybe you just weren't educated properly? Did you attend a reputable and demanding post-secondary education school?

[Anonymous No.4984739]

>>4984729
>If you can't provide data for your opinion don't even get involved in an argument
i actually haven't been involved in the argument, but it's pretty stupid to provide a fact or figure of any kind and then tell someone, "lol just look it up" when they question it.

[Anonymous No.4984740]

>>4984729
The evidence is very strong that civilization first formed around grain farms for primitive beer.

Beer is the very staple of human civilization

[Anonymous No.4984742]

>>4984739
So you don't know how to type in keywords in a search engine?

[Anonymous No.4984743]

>>4984731
that receding hairline, poor guy

[Anonymous No.4984744]

>>4984742
so you don't understand how to post a link?

i'll bet you think lawyers go into court rooms and just say, "he judge my client is innocent. i mean, just look at the guy."

[Anonymous No.4984745]

>>4984726
Farmed grains created society and beer, beer did not create civilisation, although I'm sure it helped.

[Anonymous No.4984746]

>>4984732
/thread

[Anonymous No.4984747]

>>4984688
>gains resulting in a reduction of healthcare costs justifies legislation
So when are we banning unhealthy foods? Alcohol? When are we making exercise mandatory for all able-bodied people?

Just kidding, but yeah pub closures are actually a huge blow to any society with culture and a sense of community. If you'd ever been in a working men's club or had a local/regular pub yourself you'd know how much a pint with your friends at the end of the working day means to an honest labourer.

People these days know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

[Anonymous No.4984748]

>>4984745
the human desire for beer created farms and through them towns and society

[Anonymous No.4984749]

>>4984748
If you believe every human civilization resulted from this you are actually retarded.

[Anonymous No.4984750]

>>4984745
>Farmed grains created society
they started farming grains specifically for beer,not the other way around

[Anonymous No.4984755]

>>4984744
>http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs349/en/
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673609607467
>http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09595230600944453
>https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/abstractdb/AbstractDBDetails.aspx?id=182086
>http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1804784?uid=3739464&uid=2&uid=3737720&uid=4&sid=21103022696711
>http://www.annualreviews.org/eprint/vcvaePUAKVDCcRnieMGH/full/10.1146/annurev.publhealth.26.021304.144652?select23=Choose&
>https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/abstractdb/AbstractDBDetails.aspx?id=117820

Provide peer-review publications showing a net gain in society resulting from ethanol consumption.

[Anonymous No.4984756]

>>4984750
>they started farming grains specifically for beer,not the other way around
Based on what evidence? Shards of pottery containing beer? Archaeologist pseudo-scientists? A Netflix documentary you liked?

[Anonymous No.4984757]

>>4984748
>>4984750
Let me guess, you watched that god awful documentary?

[Anonymous No.4984759]

>>4984755
>reading comprehension

i already explained that i wasn't involved in the argument to begin with, just noting your lack of provided evidence. maybe the guy you were originally arguing with will come back.

[Anonymous No.4984762]

>>4984749
No of course not. Some cultures fermented fruit and rice, or grew drugs.

[Anonymous No.4984763]

>>4984759
>i-i-i-I wasn't arguing in t-t-t-the f-f-first place

Good stuff.

[Anonymous No.4984765]

>>4984763
here is my post explaining that i was not, in fact, involved in the first place, friendo.

>>4984739

[Anonymous No.4984770]

>>4984755
>Provide peer-review publications showing a net gain in society
Please define gain, and how we would possibly quantify such a thing.

[Anonymous No.4984776]

>>4984770
>Please define gain

Healthcare costs. Are you that dense?

[Anonymous No.4984777]

>but my baptist pastor told me alcohol was the devil

[Anonymous No.4984780]

>>4984776
but the importance of beer goes well beyond healthcare

Plus drinking moderately makes you live longer, so of course healthcare will cost more, but its less per year of your life

[Anonymous No.4984781]

>>4984776
healthcare is the only way ethanol can provide a net gain to society right now?

that's pretty naive of you.

[Anonymous No.4984782]

>>4984776
>healthcare

what a silly thing to focus on

[Anonymous No.4984783]

>>4984777
Cool sources and ability to reduce complex epidemiological concepts to single factors.

[Anonymous No.4984784]

Its hilarious how rednecks are basically the only subsection of white americans that still smoke, yet they drink the least amount of beer

[Anonymous No.4984785]

>>4984782
>>4984781
Thanks for playing.

[Anonymous No.4984786]

>>4984783

[Anonymous No.4984787]

>>4984780

>Plus drinking moderately makes you live longe

No, you idiot. There's nothing magical about wine that improves your health. Wine has some positive attributes because it's made of grapes. If your diet is already shit then wine will improve it, but if you regularly eat plenty of fruits and vegetables then all it will do is worsen your health. It's just like coconut oil where the only studies that show a benefit are when you replace butter with it, but already healthy people who start eating it have their LDL cholesterol rise

[Anonymous No.4984788]

>>4984785
Seems like you have moved the goalposts quite a bit from, whether beer has a net benefit to society now to what it does to healthcare costs (as if there was even such a way to quantify that)

[Anonymous No.4984789]

>>4984787
>There's nothing magical about wine that improves your health. Wine has some positive attributes because it's made of grapes.

>you in charge of understanding fermentation
nope, there are plenty of beneficial byproducts of yeast fermentation in beer and wine that are not present in grapes or barley

Also moderate ethanol consumption in and of itself is beneficial to humans, especially for your bones

[Anonymous No.4984790]

>>4984786
the fuck is up with the giant red zone in southern california?

[Anonymous No.4984791]

>>4984790
mexico

[Anonymous No.4984792]

[Anonymous No.4984793]

>>4984791
huh, i always thought mexicans just drank a bunch of tequila and fell asleep under their giant hats on sunday

[Anonymous No.4984794]

>>4984548
0/10

[Anonymous No.4984795]

>>4984789

Such as?

[Anonymous No.4984797]

>>4984795
google it

[Anonymous No.4984798]

ITT: employment and business profits don't count as societal gain

also if you even look at cigarette smoke, you will get cancer.

and finally, church and beer don't go so well together.

[Anonymous No.4984799]

Someone makes a thread about fast food:

> gtfo viral marketers, corporate jews

Someone makes a thread about whether or not people should be allowed to smoke in restaurants:

> muh freedoms, I love big tobaccos, big tobacco is my friend


God dammit, you guys.

[Anonymous No.4984801]

>>4984797

You presented a claim, give me an example to google

[Anonymous No.4984803]

That feel when old enough to remember the days when McDonald's had ashtrays at every table.

[Anonymous No.4984807]

>>4984803
shit man, i feel old enough remembering "you want smoking or non smoking?"

>>4984799
you really want more fast food shill threads?

also in that big mac ban thread, plenty of people pulled the "muh freedoms" out, though that article was obvious satire...

[Anonymous No.4984812]

>>4984798
>ITT: employment and business profits don't count as societal gain
Those profits don't even come close to the social burden of tobacco.

[Anonymous No.4984813]

>>4984812
>social burden

real specific

[Anonymous No.4984819]

I feel like this discussion has strayed from the original and most relevant point, that being, in a free society, bar/pub/restaurant owners have the right to cater to any law-abiding group of customers they choose, and that includes smokers.

It doesn't infringe the rights of non-smokers (or anyone else) to operate an establishment that permits smoking, since non-smokers have a choice of which establishments they can attend, nor does it infringe the rights of employees since people can choose not to work in a smoking environment.

It DOES infringe the rights of the bar/pub/restaurant owner to impose an outright ban on the consumption of a legally available substance on his/her premises, since it affects his/her business and ability to earn without enforcing anyone elses rights.

[Anonymous No.4984820]

Actually, tobacco results in a net gain to society by killing smokers not too long after they retire. Insurance actuaries have long known that the cost of providing care for a geriatric until death is greater than the cost of providing medical care for someone dying of a smoking-related illness.

[Anonymous No.4984829]

>>4984820

[Anonymous No.4984831]

>>4984812
In my humble opinion, the social burden of a state that overreaches it's authority by legislating against the rights of businesses and individuals, far outweighs any social burden provided by tobacco.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it m8

[Anonymous No.4984839]

>>4984548

I agree.

[Anonymous No.4984840]

>>4984807

No, I don't really want more fast food threads. Not at all. But at the same time, who cares if smoking is banned in restaurants? The free market, especially the food and liquor industries, are controlled and regulated to hell and back again. As a cook, I care more about the variety of products, the quality of the products, whether or not I can buy raw milk cheeses, whether or not I can buy wild boar, elk, etc. than I give two shits about whether or not my customers are content in their ability to smoke or not to smoke. As long as there is a decision, and it is either allowed or disallowed, I don't have to negotiate with people. 'Sorry, this is non-smoking'. 'Sorry, they can smoke here if they choose'. My job is food, not mediating people's personal drama. If they want to go outside between courses and blow out their palates with a cig, that's their business, they're the ones paying the bill.

[Anonymous No.4984843]

I remember a time where you could smoke in bars, I remember a time when you could smoke in malls, I remember a time when you could smoke in schools. Okay I'm not that old but all these memories will be lost like tears in the rain.

Time to die.

[Anonymous No.4984845]

>>4984820
CHECKMATE OBAMA

Anyway, I heard Doug Stanhope say that he was legally allowed to smoke on stage in a bar during his act because he was protected by freedom of expression or something like that, like he can say it's part of his act and it's all cool.

What if I did a "stand up comedy" performance where I said to the audience: "I'm gonna need some volunteers - anyone who wants to smoke in here can join me on stage, bring your tables and chairs, it's technically part of the performance and therefore legally the club owner can't be fined." And a bunch of guys got up and enjoyed a cigarette with their beer as they watch me do my "act."

My act is sitting with my mates and drinking and smoking for 4-6 hours. The bar owner gives me a free drink as payment for my performance.

Would that work as a loophole?

[Anonymous No.4984863]

Round here, IIRC, smoking is only banned in bars that have paid employees (because it's not fair to them with secondhand smoke, is the rationale). So there are bars where you can smoke but they have to set it up as a co-op kind of thing, so everyone who works there is technically a part-owner, not an employee.

[Anonymous No.4984873]

statist genocide best day of my life

[Anonymous No.4984877]

>>4984873

[Anonymous No.4984885]

I don't care if you like to smoke. Sit in your room and smoke yourself to death. What gets me is how many people I pass on the narrow walkway from the train station to work, immediately after which is a pharmacy conjoined to a city hospital. The nerve of people exposing others to smoke, including the elderly and those walking out of the hospital/pharmacy on the way to the train, is too much for me.

Last week sucked too. Horrible cold and I had to keep passing all these fucking smokers who seem to think their addiction is someone else's problem. No one asked you to start smoking, so don't let us have to suffer for it. The only few times I've smoked were in night clubs, bars, and private residences, never somewhere where the general populace would have to suffer something they never asked for.

[Anonymous No.4984890]

I think gay pride parades are more dangerous than second hand smoke but you don't see people banning those do you? Well, maybe in a first world country like Russia but the point is what is bad for you is subjective.

A heavy smoker can quit cold turkey and within a decades time can be in perfect health again.

[Anonymous No.4984891]

>>4984885
>catching a whiff of highly diffused cigarette odor outdoors
>muh suffering

[Anonymous No.4984897]

>>4984891
>highly diffused
>not someone blowing smoke literally into my face as I walk
I don't think you understand when I say narrow, I don't mean an boulevard in America. Some countries are really fucking cramped in urban areas.

[Anonymous No.4984905]

>>4984897
>I got smoke blown in my face last week
>muh suffering

[Anonymous No.4984909]

>>4984905
well, yes?
I'm sorry, am I not allowed to be bothered when someone hasn't the decency to respect when I'm sick by not stomping on my health? Can I come punch you in the face, is that socially acceptable now?

>someone came to my door and assaulted me
>muh suffering

[Anonymous No.4984911]

>>4984897
>an boulevard
Where is An Boulevard? I know it's in America but where?

[Anonymous No.4984916]

>>4984909
you can be bothered all you want, but the smoker still retains the right to smoke in outdoor public areas. well, at least in murrica, don't want to make that generalization in case somebody's home country has some wacky, "only smoke in your own home" type of law.

[Anonymous No.4984961]

>>4984798
>ITT: employment and business profits don't count as societal gain
They don't!

[Anonymous No.4984963]

>>4984916
>in case somebody's home country has some wacky, "only smoke in your own home" type of law
I expect you'll change your tune when cannabis is legalized in your state/country.

[Anonymous No.4984966]

>>4984961
get fucked commie, it most certainly is

[Anonymous No.4984970]

>>4984966
Universally?

[Anonymous No.4984998]

>>4984911
real cute. I was starting to type "an American" and then stopped halfway and that happened.

>>4984916
I don't live in America. In my country it is forbidden to smoke in most cities outside of designated smoking areas, but that doesn't keep people from smoking in areas heavily trafficked by the young, old, and potentially sick. I'm fuzzy on the city laws, because public smoking is largely governed by social culture rather than law, but I know that there are smoking zones in some cities (which often cause a lot of problems due to where they're located and how many people may be in them at once) and at least one city I went to had a "no smoking anywhere" law heavily in force. In any case, no one should feel decent smoking in the face of anyone else when outside of a rationally determined smoking zone. This especially includes sidewalks and walkways with heavy traffic, especially near train stations and hospitals.

[Anonymous No.4985680]

Bump for pertinent discussions.

[Anonymous No.4985695]

>>4984890
Your bigoted opinions have nothing to do with the argument. There is EVIDENCE saying second hand smoking is harmful.

[Anonymous No.4985718]

>>4984548
I am a socialist and I can agree with that.

[Anonymous No.4985759]

>>4985695
>There is EVIDENCE saying second hand smoking is harmful
There's evidence that crossing the street is harmful.

[Anonymous No.4985765]

>>4985759
Which doesn't change the fact that second hand smoking is harmful.

[Anonymous No.4985766]

>>4985695
>There is EVIDENCE saying second hand homosexuals are harmful. You might get aids anon.

Would you rather have aids or cancer?

[Anonymous No.4985807]

> my uncle smokes a pack a day
> he and my grandma live together so when I go see them I stay for a few days because holidays
> can immediately feel that breathing is different, the air is a bit thicker, just like when I visited Missouri and the humidity was so high it was like breathing water
> by the end of the first night I have a runny nose and a headache
> next morning I wake up with a cough, a bit congested
> cough persists all day
> by nighttime I'm hacking up mucus and I take a cup full of robutussin.
> doesn't really help, kind of have a rattling noise in my chest by the third day
> go home that day
> can immediately breathe better in my own apartment
> take another dose of meds
> cough, headache, etc are gone by the next day.

This has happened over a dozen times because I'm too polite to tell my uncle his second hand smoke fucks with my lungs.

My grandmother also has a lot poorer circulation in her body because of the second hand smoke which restricts her blood vessels.

My mom always smoked and I had a very unusual amount of sore throats and ear infections as a kid. I had very miserable allergies and guaranteed one big, terrible ear infection a year. They almost put tubes in my ears.

Guess what? Ever since my mom died and I have been living alone, I have not been sick more than once in five years. My allergies are virtually non existent beyond a few sneezes when I react to something. My face doesn't fill with snot for weeks like it used to. In all, I'm pretty sure second hand smoke fucks people up just like smoking directly does.

[Anonymous No.4985812]

>>4984548
>the purported dangers secondhand smoke is largely bullshit
gonna need a valid source for that
>it should be the business owner's decision whether to allow smoking or not in his restaurant or bar
that's your opinion and im pretty sure there is a reason for why that isn't

[Anonymous No.4985825]

>>4985812
>that's your opinion and im pretty sure there is a reason for why that isn't
Yep
"Daddy government, help me to be safe from myself"
You.

[Anonymous No.4985834]

>>4984548
Asthma is a real problem in both the developing world as well as in first world countries. whether it's because of pollution or anything else this is a real danger of smoke to anyone who has this affliction..

[Anonymous No.4985842]

>>4985834
Don't care.
Stay home in your little smokeless bubble then.

[Anonymous No.4985844]

>>4984548
I don't even smoke but In my opinion the owner should at least have the option to have a smoking area that is sealed off with separate ventilation. The way things are right now most places would probably do that anyway if there were no laws against smoking indoors in order to keep all of there customers.

[Anonymous No.4985846]

>>4985825
WREKT.

[Anonymous No.4985879]

>>4985842
>Stay home in your little smokeless bubble then.
Thanks to progressive legislation, anon doesn't have to.

Does this upset you?

[Anonymous No.4985882]

>>4985842
Faggots like you are the people ruining society for the rest of us.

I hope you suffer greatly when you get your inevitable lung cancer.

[Anonymous No.4985884]

>>4985825
Says the person whose food and drink are extensively tested and regulated by government regulatory bodies.

[Anonymous No.4985885]

>>4985842
Right back at you, fuckface. If you want to kill yourself with smoke, stay in your smelly, tar soaked house with your diseased self, because we don't fucking want you mixing with polite society.

[Anonymous No.4985886]

>>4985882
>Faggots like you are the people ruining society for the rest of us.
I do what I can and petty legislation by knee jerk, feel good politicians won't slow me down a bit.
Have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.4985890]

anyone else not smoke but love the smell of smoke whenever you go into a restaurant/bar?

guess its because I grew up in a family of smokers, makes me feel cozy

[Anonymous No.4985895]

>>4985885
Smokers are much tougher than non smokers. This is an indisputable fact.
Come at me.

[Anonymous No.4985896]

>>4985886
You too you fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.4985910]

>>4985895
LOL, no. Smokers are indisputably weaker, less able to push themselves in athletic activities, have loss of taste and smell, weaker teeth, brittle hair and skin, discolored fingers, and the smell of pure death emanating from their pores. You'd be the first one eaten in the zombie apocalypse (well, right after the obese fuckers). Also, enjoy your emphysema and COPD.

[Anonymous No.4985916]

>>4985910
Amusing post, friendo.

[Anonymous No.4985921]

>>4985910

[Anonymous No.4985924]

[Anonymous No.4985928]

>>4985910
I got chunks of guys like you in my stool

[Anonymous No.4985930]

>>4985910
Motherfucking patton

[Anonymous No.4985935]

>>4985910

fedora master race says otherwise

[Anonymous No.4985936]

>>4985910

[Anonymous No.4985961]

[Anonymous No.4985971]

You know, my having a cigarette or cigar every once in a while when I drink is probably pretty much negligible compared to the other crap present in my lifestyle; especially my awful diet.

I think smoking inside is kind of unpleasant, though, as the smoke gets trapped and makes everything around it smell like it. Should still be up to a property owner whether or not people are allowed to smoke inside or whatever.

[Anonymous No.4986028]

>posting pictures of characters in movies to prove smoking is cool


Are you 12?

[Anonymous No.4986031]

>>4986028
I'm 29

[Anonymous No.4986047]

>>4986031
>posting your age
You are either a teenager or autistic

[Anonymous No.4986057]

How are people comfortable having a government decide where you can do things when owners of that venue can not?

People this this is okay?

[Anonymous No.4986066]

Why is /fit/ so bad at posting

[Anonymous No.4986087]

>>4986047
Or both.

[Anonymous No.4986096]

>>4984618
So people stopped using money on expensive pub beer and spend it towards something else

big deal....

[Anonymous No.4986100]

>>4986057
Because sometimes, a government does that for the benefit of the citizens as opposed to the business owners. Otherwise, things like child labor would still exist.

[Anonymous No.4986114]

>>4986057

How are people comfortable having a government decide what products you can buy, or where you can dump your toxic waste, or whether or not your employer should be able to work you to death?

Because sometimes, just sometimes, society needs to be able to function with a small degree of order instead of everyone just doing whatever they want and damn the consequences.

Is the government responsible enough to handle this? No. Do they do a perfect job of it? Not at all. Is it better than the alternative of having literally no limits on the amount of dickery that people can get up to? Probably.

[Anonymous No.4986126]

ITT: Lung-Cancer Fags

[Anonymous No.4986138]

>>4986047
I'm a teacher

[Anonymous No.4986232]

>>4986114
There should be someone regulating important things such as toxic waste disposal and others, yes, no one is arguing against completely removing all regulations.

However, to say that people cannot smoke in my restaurant or bar, my private property, is absurd. What are they going to say next? I can smoke in my own home that I bought?

There is an easy way to avoid secondhand smoke: don't go to restaurants or bars that allow smoking. Government is not your bully to change everyone around you to a more pleasing scent.

[Anonymous No.4986314]

>>4986100
>why does the government get involved
>why do we even have a government?
they regulate shit so we all wont get fucked
if it werent for them there wouldnt be safety requirements for cars foods pretty much everything

[Anonymous No.4986346]

>>4984548
>>4984562

>I have an inherent right to blow poison into the air

[Anonymous No.4986369]

smoking inside is disgusting. go outside if you want to blow out poison

[Anonymous No.4986378]

>>4986346
BBQ and campfire smoke is WAY worse than secondhand cigarette smoke.

You gonna ban BBQs and campfires now?

[Anonymous No.4986383]

>>4986378
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.4986390]

>>4986378

campfires are outside in the open and well ventilated. they also don't make everything smell like shit

[Anonymous No.4986414]

if secondhand smoke isn't harmful then you could breath it 24/7 and never develop health problems, right?

[Anonymous No.4986427]

>>4986390
Still, inhaling that smoke isn't good for you, yet you're forcing me to inhale it when I walk past your garden party. But do I run crying to the government demanding they put a stop to it? No. Meanwhile, a venue with clearly marked "smoking" signs gives you the choice of whether or not to enter and inhale that secondhand smoke.

And I really don't think passive smoking is as deadly as you seem to think it is unless you're recovering from cancer or have lung disease. The oldest people in the world are smokers, the oldest woman in recorded history smoked for 96 years. And that's not secondhand smoking, that's straight into the lungs, so maybe you're being a bit of a baby, crying and gasping that you can't breathe because of the poison, OMG I'm going to die I can feel it, my insides are mellltinnng...

>they also don't make everything smell like shit
There are people (even non-smokers) ITT who've said they like the smell of tobacco smoke, as do I, so clearly that's personal preference. Should we ban curry houses because some people don't like the smell of curry?

[Anonymous No.4986430]

>>4984548
>purported dangers of secondhand smoke are largely bullshit

Then why was it in elementary school that the kids who had parents that smoked always got sick more than anyone else?

[Anonymous No.4986434]

>>4986414
You can't do anything 24/7 and NEVER develop health problems, we have a limited lifespan.

[Anonymous No.4986439]

>>4986434
>breathing

[Anonymous No.4986452]

>>4986439

>implying breathing isn't damaging

Its one of the things that contributes to our limited lifespans

[Anonymous No.4986455]

>>4986439
So you're saying that even though you're breathing 24/7 you'll NEVER develop health problems. You'll live forever then? Never get sick from ANYTHING? That was the joke I was making. Let me know if you need it to be made any clearer.

Of course nobody expects anyone to breathe secondhand smoke 24/7, that's ridiculous. Nobody even suggested you should be MADE to smoke it for a single second, just that there should be places where people can go to smoke. As has been repeated over and over, it's about choice. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO THE SMOKING ROOM! Fucking hell, it's like we should ban cars because you need to be protected from throwing yourself in front of them.

[Anonymous No.4986463]

I'd honestly be around someone that dips/chews instead of someone that smokes.

The fucking smell just seeps into your clothes and hair. It is fucking awful and I don't know how smokers deal with it. It must be that crippling addiction.

With those e-cigs there isn't really an excuse anyway. I know loads of people that use those and they don't bother me.

[Anonymous No.4986470]

>>4984548
Nah people are stupid and need to be told what to do.

[Anonymous No.4986475]

Smoking outside in public should be banned too, smoke at home or gtfo, fucking stinkers.

[Anonymous No.4986492]

>>4986475
>smoke at home or gtfo
>gtfo
To where exactly?

[Anonymous No.4986514]

eh

[Anonymous No.4986523]

>>4986492
probably to home

[Anonymous No.4986537]

>>4985825
>safe from myself
"Hey man can you stop smoking in my face"
"That's your fault"

[Anonymous No.4986544]

>>4984548
/ck/ is not /pol/ please go away

[Anonymous No.4986549]

>>4984548
>Firstly, the purported dangers secondhand smoke is largely bullshit
no

>Secondly, it should be the business owner's decision whether to allow smoking or not in his restaurant or bar.
yes

[Anonymous No.4986566]

>>4986523
Smoke at home or get the fuck out to home? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

I'm a smoker (1-2 roll-ups a day, more if I'm drinking) and I get along great with non-smokers, maybe because I try to be considerate with my smoking. I'll wait until I'm alone or with other smokers, go outside or ask if people mind if I smoke. Ex-smokers can be a little preachy sometimes, but you have to respect their resolve.

But holy shit, the ANTI-smokers. Bunch of hysterical, bitching faggots. It's like the Westboro Baptist Church are picketing my cigarette.

>"OH my precious little NOSE! OH my delicate choking LUNGS! Maybe if I hide my face in my sweater... No it's no good, RUN CHILDREN, RUN FROM THE POISON CLOUD, HE'LL KILL US ALL!"

Pretty sure they're the same people who scream murder if they find a hair in their food and make you take your shoes off when you enter their house. Self righteous 10th level vegans who can't see someone having a good time without telling them why it's wrong.

[Anonymous No.4986575]

>>4986537
"Hey man can you stop smoking in my face"
"Well if you stand directly in front of someone who's smoking, you're gonna get smoke on you. I have to exhale somewhere. Why are you even in a smoking room? There's a non-smoking bar next door."
"THAT'S TOO FAR AWAY, I GOT SMOKE ON ME, I'M SHUTTING THIS PLACE DOWN, GIMME THAT ASHTRAY, SCUM! YOU THERE, MR PROPRIETOR, YOU ARE FINED £500 FOR ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SMOKE IN HERE..."

[Anonymous No.4986627]

>>4986346
>>4986346

I sure hope you don't drive

[Anonymous No.4986632]

>>4986566
>Self righteous 10th level vegans who can't see someone having a good time at the expense of others

FTFY

[Anonymous No.4986647]

>>4986549
Lung cancer rates are .02-.36% for none smokers and .02-.42% for none smokers exposed to second hand smoke.

It's totally within the margin of error based upon samples.

[Anonymous No.4986684]

>>4986632
What they don't like the smell?
Second hand smoke is only a concern if you walk into a room full of smoke several times a day, not a passing whiff of smoke on the side walk.

[Anonymous No.4986710]

>>4985807
>I'm a wimp so everyone else should live like a wimp too

[Anonymous No.4986711]

>>4986647
> The health risks of second-hand smoke are a matter of scientific consensus.

[Anonymous No.4986726]

>Go sit down in a restaurant
>Order food, chat up with family
>Suddenly, this large figure enters the building
>Standing roughly at around 5"3, looked like he had about 350lbs of fat on him
>Struggling to get through the door almost
>Gets in, and he's panting
>He wipes his sweat off with his fedora
>As he gets seated, I start losing my attention towards him and continue enjoying my day
>He sits behind us
>As the chair creaks and lets out a whoosh of air, I catch a drift of his scent
>Smells like tobacco, semen, and body odor
>Immediately scrunch my face up in disgust
>Wife asks what's wrong, and I point to the guy sitting behind us (He couldn't see me)
>She smiles, then calls over the waitress, and asks if we can move our seat closer to the window, tell her because my child wants to watch the cars drive by
>Waitress laughs and moves us over, but before we get up, I hear a flickering noise and turn
>The man is now trying to light a cigarette
>Waitress turns to him, and tells him to put it out because cigarettes are not allowed in the restaurant, because they give off a bad odor that disrupts customers, and as research shows, second hand smoke can raise cancer rates in children and young adults, as smoking not only affects the user but the people around
>He coughs, letting lose a storm of phlegm as he insults the waitress based on her gender and appearance
>I roll up my sleeves and tuck in my tie, as I grab him by the throat and tell him to back the fuck off
>I say to the man, "If you can't go an hour without puffing on your cancer stick, then get the hell out of this country, because I have the freedom to raise my kids in a safe environment"
>He runs out of the restaurant crying, and I enjoy my meal.

[Anonymous No.4986736]

>>4986726
Hey cool, it's number 4 on the list of shit that never happened.

[Anonymous No.4986892]

>>4986575
>non-smoking bar
>existent in anywhere that doesn't have total smoking prohibition laws
yeah okay

besides that, I can tell you from personal experience that free smoking bars/clubs are filled with people who will gladly smoke in the faces of others, especially if they feel like being territorial assholes. prohibition laws literally exist to keep lowlifes like that from endangering the well-being of others to assert their dicks, so any city that has a universal ordinance against indoor smoking is a friend to me

[Anonymous No.4986902]

>>4986566
Just because you're decent about smoking doesn't mean most smokers are. In fact, the greatest amount of smokers I encounter on my daily commutes literally could not give a shit about anyone else and think that their getting shit on all day by their superiors because they didn't have the good sense to go to Handai entitles them to shit all over the health of whoever is unfortunate enough to pass by them on a crowded avenue or walkway.

For the record, I've never been a major dick to smokers; I've always tried to tell them in the simplest way that I'm not comfortable being smoked around, or that I have a allergy, but I've never preached or raised a shitstorm irl.

[Anonymous No.4986909]

>>4986684
second hand smoke isn't all about cancer. some people are sick and get aggravated by smoke. some people don't pay attention to where they hold their cigarettes and burn people while passing them. some people have asthma. it shouldn't be a major debate about the long-term consequences of second-hand smoke, because it's universally understood that no one who doesn't smoke enjoys being around lit cigarettes.

[Anonymous No.4986921]

Last year I was taking a cab home drunk from a friend's place. The cab smelled like cigarette smoke and, halfway to my destination, lit a cigarette with the windows down.

I didn't say anything until I was about to leave. I told him I wasn't going to pay the fare because he smoked, exposed me to cigarette smoke, and broke some laws.

He was LIVID but that packie couldn't do jack shit. Fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.4986966]

I had an old co-worker that smoked like a chimney and smelled absolutely disgusting because of it.

She was out for sometime because of a car accident and was forced to stop smoking while she recovered. The smell completely disappeared but came back full force when she started chain smoking again.

I don't mean a bit of smoke lingering on the clothes, either. I mean when she talked to you, your eyes would water and many people gagged talking to her. It got so bad HR had to talk to her about the smell.

Tldr, smokers stink like shit so I'm glad you faggots are getting banned left and right.

[Anonymous No.4986984]

>>4984602
So laws concerning working conditions should be non existent, as any worker can simple chose not to work. Brilliant.

[Anonymous No.4986985]

>>4984731
good attitude.
>+2 not an asswipe points

[Anonymous No.4987156]

Smoking should be allowed in restaurants if they put them in a separate smoking room ala smoking rooms in some airports.

[Anonymous No.4987167]

>>4985766

Easily AIDS living in a 1st world country now its almost a non issue.

[Anonymous No.4987180]

>>4985928
And John Wayne died of what again? OH YEAH, LUNG CANCER. Not only did he die of it, it assraped his body before he actually popped off from it. Good luck with that, fucktard.

[Anonymous No.4987183]

>>4984548
Fucking drug addict

[Anonymous No.4987185]

>>4984548
And why should I listen to a fucking drug addict?

[Anonymous No.4987222]

>>4984731
>little fake cough
Oh god you've reminded me of how I used to do that during primary school.

I ended up smoking for a few years as a teenager.

[Anonymous No.4987319]

Imagine having someone walk infront of you and constantly farting, that's what it's like walking behind a smoker.

In fact, people should probably buy a big can of fart spray and spray around a bit when they pass one of those faggots to remind them of their own stink.

[Anonymous No.4987576]

>>4984743
2chainz is doing just fine, buddy. I think it's funny that you think it's something that matters to him or is deserving of your pity tho.

[Anonymous No.4988850]

I live in NYC, I smoke all the time outdoors, and if someone looks at me funny I have the remarkable ability to blow thick streams of smoke with pinpoint precision straight into someone's face. I do this all the time.

Don't give a fuck, come at me.

[Anonymous No.4988860]

>>4988850
I'd come at you, but don't want to be cut.

[Anonymous No.4988870]

>>4988850
I think they should ban all smoking in public locations, but the government should have no right to dictate what people do on their own private property, business or residence,.

But there is no excuse for our government to allow people to pollute publicly owned areas like sidewalks and parks. it fucking sucks walking down the sidewalk and getting stuck behind some smoking redneck or asian

[Anonymous No.4988898]

>>4988870
>but the government should have no right to dictate what people do on their own private property, business or residence,.
>the government has no right to regulate businesses

lol 15 year old Libertarian detected

[Anonymous No.4988940]

>>4988898
I didn't say it has no right, I said it should not have such a right

Also, the american federal government only has the right to regulate interstate and international commerce, whether or not one allows smoking in their business would not fall under this umbrella

[Anonymous No.4988952]

>>4988940
>the government shouldn't have the right to regulate business
ahahaha how cute.

[Anonymous No.4988963]

>>4988952
>>the government shouldn't have the right to regulate business
but thats not what I said.

Large governments should have no right to micromanage small trivial details of small or large businesses on the whim of politicians. Of course local government is an entirely different issue but that is still problematic. The government's role in regulating commerce has absolutely nothing to do with smoking laws, this isn't a commerce issue at all

[Anonymous No.4988970]

>>4988940
Tea-party peckerwood detected

[Anonymous No.4988974]

>>4988970
the teaparty was hijacked by religious southerners, a completely different ideology now

[Anonymous No.4988978]

>>4988974
>toe-may-toe
>tuh-mah-tah

[Anonymous No.4988985]

>>4988978
>>toe-may-toe
>>tuh-mah-tah
Oh, you mean modern liberals and neocons?

[Anonymous No.4989016]

Because here in the USA we have the wrong priorities since we care so much about smokers even though it kills a tiny fraction compared to obesity

[GrillJockey !!6/fBigAuWfU No.4989017]

>>4988985
>damage control

[Anonymous No.4989020]

>>4989016
but food tastes good, unlike cigarettes

[Anonymous No.4989032]

>>4989020
When you are obese? It's very sick to look at. Almost all the major causes of death are caused by over eating. Over reacting over a small handful of people dying over chain smoking is not enough to justify

[Social Haze No.4989038]

>>4984548

Second hand smoke is annoying. I really hate it. You spring a boner and you walk past a bunch of smokers outside a building and no more boner.

It's really unpleasant. One of the reasons I smoke is just not to smell other people's cigarette smoke.

[Anonymous No.4989040]

>>4989032
>people eat too much near me
>wow its fucking nothing
>people smoke near me
>they are fucking up my lungs
>what do we have laws for

Not like I could blame you for sounding so stupid. We've all seen the scan of peoples' brains when they smoke.

[Anonymous No.4989055]

>>4989032
Second hand smoke should be banned because it smells fucking terrible and is annoying, not because of health reasons

[Anonymous No.4989120]

I smoke and I never smoke indoors, certainly not inside my own house. The flavor and aroma of fresh smoke is totally different from stale smoke, which is disgusting.

That said, I do wish that I could have some choice in the matter if I wanted to smoke in some sort of establishment.

[Anonymous No.4989131]

>>4984733
That red spot by the Mississippi is called cancer alley because companies and mills dumps a bunch of toxic shit into the river and it leeches into our ground water.

Has nothing do to with alcohol.

[Anonymous No.4989143]

>>4989038
wow you're literally a faggot if you don't like the smell/second hand smoke don't fucking blaze it you du

wait nice b8

[Anonymous No.4989173]

>>4984548
Dangerous is mostly for youth, but it's fucking annoying. You're right though, it should be a choice so people can know what bars to go to if it bothers them or not. I have asthma and it hurts my chest.

Smoker sections in places like casinos are designed for this.

[Anonymous No.4989178]

>>4989131

Also,
>niggers

[Anonymous No.4989922]

>>4989040
>mfw an American was fat near me

[Anonymous No.4989968]

>>4984560
it's not about patrons, it's about employees. who the employer is liable for. not everyone has the luxury of being able to choose where they work

>secondhand smoke is largely bullshit
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.4989973]

>>4989968
ack, was meant to reference >>4984551

[Anonymous No.4989984]

>>4984602
do you live in the real world? have you ever struggled to find a job? do you think there might be people who do? do you think most parents would refuse a job to support said children simply because they're more concerned about their own health?

[Anonymous No.4990028]

>>4989968
>not everyone has the luxury of being able to choose where they work

No one is forcing you to work there.
Don't blame other people that the only skill you have is making drinks. Learn to do something worthwhile and you won't have to work in a bar.

[Anonymous No.4990029]

>>4984789
lolwut
http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/features/alcohol
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-4/276-281.htm
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh22-3/190.pdf

alcohol is in some ways estrogen simulating. terrible for anything strength related.

[Anonymous No.4990034]

>>4984819
god damn, everyone's always about freedoms. ever heard of responsibilities? like not presenting unnecessary health risks to other citizens? namely employees.

can anyone even into negligence or duty of care?

[Anonymous No.4990035]

>>4984819
>can choose not to work
what planet do you live on man?

[Anonymous No.4990055]

>>4985895
>indisputable fact
pretty much everyone at my gym would dispute that

[Anonymous No.4990057]

order takeout and never give a tip

eat your food while you slowly poison yourself with cancer sticks in your own trailer-home

problem solved

[Anonymous No.4990060]

>>4985916
>>4985921
>>4985928
>>4985935
>>4985936
>>4985961
the cool man on tv smokes. seems legit

[Anonymous No.4990351]

>>4984657
Anon, as someone that has slightly more brain than you, I'll not invite you to go fuck yourself, but rather I would ask you to focalize the attention on the subject. If you are against smokers for personal reasons, and not for the topic, and bring forth the cause without adding some on topic opinion, you lose so much credibility.

[Anonymous No.4990359]

>>4990351
>using your big boy words
>but not actually saying anything of import
>implying you're intelligent

Yeah, go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.4990364]

>>4990359
>implying you're also intelligent
>accuses one of doing what he's also doing
Care to join me in fucking ourselves?

[Anonymous No.4990375]

>>4990351
Such mad
Wow
Incredible anger
How burthutt

[Anonymous No.4990391]

>>4990364
>implying there's any good reason to attempt a conversation with a shitposter

Do you even into fucking yourself?

[Anonymous No.4990412]

>>4984548
Dear dear - when a person, through their own self-harming ways, proves themselves incapable of deciding for themselves, they no longer have "rights". We the people take you into our custody and do our best to keep you from harming yourself and others, even if your potentially intellectually regressed or delusional mind tells otherwise. We can ban you from smoking anytime, anywhere. And lo - we have!

You just didn't know what to do with your life, so adults had to step in and guide you. Next on the list are alcohol, firearms, fast food, soda, and violent sports.

[Anonymous No.4990431]

For six years our county allowed bars to let people smoke inside of them provided they followed several rules such as smoking and non-smoking being separated, smoking sections must be ventilated, staff can't be located within smoking sections, you couldn't have children on the premises (such as bar-restaurants that separate bar from family dining).

Lo and behold approximately none of the bar owners gave half a shit, so then the county made it illegal to smoke in bars.

Now these same bar owners bitch and moan every time they get fined for endangering their staff and customers.

[Anonymous No.4990436]

>It should be an individual choice if someone wants to damage other people's health!

That's how you sound OP. If you want to smoke, do it when you don't bother anyone.

[Anonymous No.4990992]

>>4990436
no

[Anonymous No.4991008]

Obesity causes a higher increase in risk of lung cancer than second hand smoke.

Obesity is contagious, people who associate with obese have an increased risk of becoming obese.

Thus fatties should be banned from bars too.

[Anonymous No.4993000]

Bump

[Anonymous No.4993014]

>>4991008
>Thus fatties should be banned from bars too.
I would support this.

[Anonymous No.4993027]

>>4990436
That's flawed logic though. It SHOULD be the choice of the owner whether or not they allow smoking, just like it should be the choice of customers whether they want to go there or not. Nobody is going to force a non-smoker to go to a restaurant where people are allowed to smoke.

[Anonymous No.4993047]

>>4993014
Or separate non fatty sections.

[Anonymous No.4993051]

>>4991008
>Obesity is contagious, people who associate with obese have an increased risk of becoming obese.
its called genetics bub

[Anonymous No.4993058]

>>4993051
Associate. Not relate. Association is not relation. Your friends are not genetically connected to you, "bub".

[Anonymous No.4993067]

>>4993014

I would too. Even the fat women fart a shit ton in college town bars. It's nauseating. I can smell the abuse, dehydration, and overclocked internal organs

[Anonymous No.4993142]

Sooooo what about exempt bars that still banned it on their own accord? All ox those that did saw a rise in profits

On what level are no smoking laws in the US? You guys are making it seem like no one can smoke anywhere.

[Anonymous No.4993145]

>>4993142
Varies state to state.

[Anonymous No.4993251]

>>4993051
The old "I can't help it that I'm fat, so let me eat this big mac in peace"-argument? Oh how I love it.

[Anonymous No.4993254]

Is it that much trouble to walk outside of the bar to have a smoke? I do.

[Anonymous No.4993262]

anyone else can't smoke in own home due to city regulations?

[Anonymous No.4993265]

>>4993254
I kind of like doing that anyway. It's nice after a few drinks to stand out in the cold night and have a quick smoke

[Anonymous No.4993266]

>>4990060
masculine tv man also consumes alcohol to excess. i guess that means we better light 'em up and chug 'em down, right?

[lnt. Dan No.4993405]

>>4993254
I dont have legs

[Anonymous No.4993869]

>>4984548
>it should be the business owner's decision whether to allow smoking or not in his restaurant or bar.

>allowing people to make their own decisions.
>not letting the government letting you what's best for you
>2013

[Anonymous No.4994004]

>>4993262
My apartment manager got pissy with me for smoking inside. I don't care though, it was getting to be a bad habit. I never intended to start smoking inside, but once you start......