/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.4974917]

I shake this stuff on all my food like salt.

It's cheap and makes all my food taste like a fancy gourmet meal.

How many bottles of this stuff do you go through in a week, /ck/?

[Anonymous No.4974928]

I use zero but would use more if I could find it in my grocery store.

[Anonymous No.4974948]

What I don't understand is what this shit even tastes like. All I know is that it causes cancer or something, and since I was born in the 90s all I ever heard of it was Chinese places slapping "No MSG" on all of their packaging.

[Anonymous No.4974955]

>bottles
>a week
Enjoy your cancer mate. I'm Chinese and nobody here touches the stuff.

[Anonymous No.4974992]

>>4974917
I've got a bag of Ajinomoto I used once out of curiosity. That shit looks like crystal meth.

[Anonymous No.4975034]

>>4974948
>>4974955
except no it doesnt

[Anonymous No.4975071]

>>4975034
facts will get you nowhere here.
give in to the darkside and just play along.
for example:
Studies have shown that in 1998, 87% of Chinese women suffered from MSG poisoning. I never touch the stuff.
..or something like that.

[Anonymous No.4975075]

>>4974948
umami

captcha: buttpass claim

[Anonymous No.4975088]

>>4974955
That's why chinese food doesn't taste like anything anymore.

[Anonymous No.4975873]

>>4974948
>Chinese places slapping "No MSG" on all of their packaging.

MSG is a flavor enhancer. A chicken soup made with two chickens can easily be made with one chicken and a load of MSG.

Too much MSG does cause headaches in some people, but to say it's cancer-causing or artificial is nonsense. MSG is an incredibly common amino acid.

Chinese places say "No MSG" because people are easily scared and MSG also implies incredibly cheap 3 AM stoner-grade Chinese food.

[Anonymous No.4975906]

>>4974917
Wish I had some!

[Anonymous No.4976828]

>>4974928
Look for a brand called Accent or something. They try to disguise the fact its MGS because people are superstitious about cancer, but you can find it in Safeways and Walmarts. At first I asked if they sold MSG and they said no, but I found the Accent stuff later and it plainly says MSG in the fine print.

[Anonymous No.4976832]

>>4974917
>How many bottles of this stuff do you go through in a week, /ck/?

Way too obvious there.

[Anonymous No.4976849]

>>4974948
>All I know is that it causes cancer or something,

Irrational fear among humanity gets worse every day. You're a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.4976862]

>>4976849
>is what they said about smoking

[Anonymous No.4976877]

[Anonymous No.4976894]

>>4976849
remember to leave a bowl of vinegar outside to stop chemtrails from forming above your home

[Anonymous No.4976902]

>>4976862
As a chemist I don't see how MSG could be bad for you. It's the salt of Sodium, which we eat all the time, and Glutamic acid, which is an amino acid that we produce in our body anyway.

I really doubt it causes cancer.

[Anonymous No.4976921]

>>4976902
This.
Biochemist here.

[Anonymous No.4976936]

>>4976862
False equivalency.

[Anonymous No.4976940]

>>4974928

it's in the spice rack with all the other overpriced 1oz bottles of flavorless mccormick powder

[Anonymous No.4976951]

>>4976902
>>4976921
>>4976902
>As a chemist I don't see how Sodium cyanide could be bad for you. It's the salt of Sodium, which we eat all the time, and Carbon and Nitrogen that we produce in our body anyway.
topchech

Sodium glutamate ≠ glutamic acid

[Anonymous No.4976954]

>>4976951
Sodium cyanide= sodium (ok) + cyanide (poison)
Sodium glutamate = sodium (ok) + glutamate (ok)
That's how salts work.

[Anonymous No.4976960]

It's an excitotoxin.

Not only that, but when you want to datten up lab rats for experimentation, the go to method in all labs is to feed them MSG.

lab microbiologist here. I won't go near that stuff.
Maybe you guys should take some biology, that "better living through chemistry" mantra does not yield true when it comes to what you ingest.

[Anonymous No.4976961]

>>4976960
*fatten

[Anonymous No.4976962]

>>4976902
>>4976921
>I don't see whats so bad about cyanide its just some carbon and nitrogen, and you have both in your body anyways

[Anonymous No.4976965]

>>4976936
>is what they said say about tobacco and cancer

[Anonymous No.4976967]

>>4976962
see>>4976960

>>4976960
>Not only that, but when you want to datten up lab rats for experimentation, the go to method in all labs is to feed them MSG.
source? That's a lie.
>It's an excitotoxin.
Source? That's a lie.
>lab microbiologist here
Lie.

[Anonymous No.4976974]

>>4976967
Lets see your credentials, cocksucker.

[Anonymous No.4976975]

>>4976960
>It's an excitotoxin
>lab microbiologist here

If you were 2, then you'd know 1 wasn't true.

[Anonymous No.4976977]

Gathering sources, lrn2google.

[Anonymous No.4976979]

>>4976974
Didn't say I had any.

[Anonymous No.4976982]

>>4976974
>credentials
Lie.

[Anonymous No.4976984]

>>4976954
>Sodium cyanide= sodium (ok) + cyanide (poison)
False. It's pretty obvious there are no chemists here. But it's 4chan, if you're gonna roleplay might as well go hard.

[Anonymous No.4976989]

>>4976984
I didn't say I was a chemist, but I do have a basic knowledge of chemistry. Cyanide salts dissolve in water.

[Anonymous No.4976992]

Microbiologist here. Studies show that eating a large watermelon daily prevents 99% of breast and colon cancer.

[Anonymous No.4976995]

>>4976992
But you have to swallow it whole.
And cover it in MSG.

[Anonymous No.4976999]

>>4976960
I gave my pet rats chinese food leftovers and they fucking loved it.

[Anonymous No.4977001]

>>4976989
Yes, but sodium cyanide is not sodium + cyanide. That's not how chemistry works. It's not just arithmetic.

[Anonymous No.4977005]

>>4976995
Nutritionist with a minor in lab microbiology. I can confirm this.

[Anonymous No.4977009]

>>4976992
Micropenis here. Studies show that eating a large watermelon daily prevents 99% of lack of job applications and good credit scores.

[Anonymous No.4977011]

>>4977001
It is once it's in any kind of aqueous environment. Like that found anywhere in your body. That is how chemistry works.

[Anonymous No.4977040]

>>4976999
Just think how delicious they'll be in a stir-fry!

[Anonymous No.4977044]

>>4976951
>>4976984

Shit troll.

[Anonymous No.4977046]

>>4977044

Shit post.

[Anonymous No.4977051]

>>4977001
Chemist here again, it actually is. Dissociates into Na+ and CN-

>>4976962
That's different. The ionic bond in a salt breaks in a solution, whereas the triple bond in CN is very hard to break.

[Anonymous No.4977057]

>>4977051
It actually is in this case I mean to say. If it wasn't a salt you'd be right.

[Anonymous No.4977062]

>>4976828
I got a bottle of this stuff. is perfect

[Anonymous No.4977064]

Chemist here. Did you know that mixing iodized salt with milk of magnesia creates a caustic solution that can burn through your skin?

[Anonymous No.4977070]

>>4977064
I would have thought that there wouldn't be enough Iodide in the salt to make a meaningful amount of Sodium Hydroxide.

[Anonymous No.4977075]

>>4976974
And here's my creds ya wank

[Anonymous No.4977084]

>>4977064
Chemist here. Did you know that mixing hydrogen nitride with chlorine creates beautiful, colorful crystals that are fun to play with?

[Anonymous No.4977085]

>>4977075
>26/11/13
there arent 26 months in a year
what a lying retard.

[Anonymous No.4977173]

>>4976960
>>4974955

>Most – if not all – of the purported links between MSG and cancer or other health scares are based on anecdotal evidence. The safety of MSG has been debated and thoroughly studied for decades. The result: health organizations from around the globe have continually reaffirmed the safety of the food additive.

>American Institute for Cancer Research
>http://preventcancer.aicr.org/site/News2?id=13279

[Anonymous No.4977184]

>>4977085
lel
>>4977075
>MSG is harmless *in normal quantities*
So is radiation, what's your point?

[Anonymous No.4977188]

>>4977173
Just waiting for the inevitable response with veganhealthnaturalnews or some shit as a source.

[Anonymous No.4977194]

>>4977173
>>American Institute for Cancer Research
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAHAH~~!!!!|||!!11!!!
ahahahaaahahahHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!1!
Don't make me laugh, nigger. And while you're at it, I've got a pink ribbon to sell you.

[Anonymous No.4977201]

>>4977184
The quantities of it commonly found in food that is.

Eating a kilogram of MSG is probably not good for you. No worse than salt would be though.

[Anonymous No.4977204]

>>4977173
>Most
AHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAHAAHAHA
I'm laughing some more. I sure hope you're not one of the 'rare' cases.

[Anonymous No.4977218]

>Despite a widespread belief that glutamate can elicit asthma, migraine headache and Chinese Restaurant Syndrome (CRS), there are no consistent clinical data to support this claim. In addition, findings from the literature indicate that there is no consistent evidence to suggest that individuals may be uniquely sensitive to glutamate.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20470841
>Despite concerns raised by early reports, decades of research have failed to demonstrate a clear and consistent relationship between MSG ingestion and the development of these conditions.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19389112
>Despite a widespread belief that MSG can elicit a headache, among other symptoms, there are no consistent clinical data to support this claim.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16999713
>The results suggest that large doses of MSG given without food may elicit more symptoms than a placebo in individuals who believe that they react adversely to MSG. However, the frequency of the responses was low and the responses reported were inconsistent and were not reproducible. The responses were not observed when MSG was given with food.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10736382
>Monosodium glutamate is not associated with obesity or a greater prevalence of weight gain over 5 years: findings from the Jiangsu Nutrition Study of Chinese adults.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20370941

[Anonymous No.4977219]

>>4977204
What rare cases?

[Anonymous No.4977223]

If you're the type who actually thinks organic food is better for you, beware. Msg will give you cancer and kill you.

If you're a fact-driven individual and are less susceptible to groupthink, bullshittery, and organic food charlatans, then no, MSG is safe for use in food.

[Anonymous No.4977252]

>>4977219
Let's try and see if you can understand the bullshit that you posted.
>Most – if not all – of the purported links between MSG and cancer or other health scares are based on anecdotal evidence.
>Most
>if
That means the American Institute for Cancer Research, or whatever other totally unbiased and not in the pocket of major industry organization you chose to cite as a source, is ADMITTING that they cannot irrefutably discredit EVERY case of disease related to MSG as "anecdotal evidence". Fucking morons, don't even know the horseshit they're being fed, which is probably healthier than the MSG.

[Anonymous No.4977260]

Why is MSG one of the few additives people generally know by it's chemical name? Did no one ever bother to make a simple, natural sounding name for it?

[Anonymous No.4977261]

>>4977218
Now show me the ones that say HFCS is completely fine, as well.

[Anonymous No.4977265]

>>4977252
It gives me unpleasantly vivid dreams but that's about it. Chemically glutamate isn't good for you but its probably harmless at the doses of seasoning your food with it.

[Anonymous No.4977266]

>because MSG is not carcinogenic, it's harmless!
Are you dickweeds shitting me
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excitotoxicity
>http://www.stanford.edu/group/hopes/cgi-bin/wordpress/2011/06/about-glutamate-toxicity/
>http://neurotransporter.org/glutamate.html
>http://www.jneurosci.org/content/16/20/6394.full.pdf

[Anonymous No.4977285]

>>4977266
All of those are about glutamate in the brain, which is tightly controlled and has very little to do with dietary glutamate.
Also, read your own sources:
>The use of glutamate as a food additive, however, is not the reason for the enormous scientific interest in glutamate.

[Anonymous No.4977286]

>>4977252
>ADMITTING that they cannot irrefutably discredit EVERY case of disease related to MSG as "anecdotal evidence"

No. I think you misunderstand. Usage of the phrase "most- if not all" is a simple admission that the authors are not all-knowing and that they are not able to know for a fact that each case of anecdotal evidence of MSG sensitivity is in fact fallacious in nature.

Furthermore they aren't trying to discredit these claims of MSG sensitivity. They are simply trying to find whether or not the claims can be supported by evidence.

[Anonymous No.4977288]

How is a cooking board so bad at chemistry? Did half of you fail high school or am I being trolled?
>People don't know the difference between ionic and covalent bonding
>People don't know how organic salts work
Kill me.

[Anonymous No.4977292]

>>4977266
Get out of here, with your dirty hippie patchouli stenched "sources". We're Americans and we believe in our government! The FDA would never poison us!

[Anonymous No.4977293]

>>4977286
Which leads me back to the question:

"What rare cases?"

[Anonymous No.4977295]

>>4977292
>ignore peer-reviewed sources earlier in the thread
>latch onto sources that do not address MSG

[Anonymous No.4977294]

>>4977286
>muh goalposts
>watch them go

[Anonymous No.4977300]

>>4977288
chemistry has absolutely nothing to do with cooking. youre just sniffing your own farts

[Anonymous No.4977302]

>>4977293
The ones that are written off as
>enochdotta evidence, oldwives tales, orbun lajent

[Anonymous No.4977309]

>>4977300
It certainly doesn't hurt. ore annoying is the severe lack of reading comprehension among the /ck/ conspiracy theorist brigade, who\o would be quicker to trust Natural News than peer-reviewed studies.

[Anonymous No.4977311]

>>4977266

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excitotoxicity
>Excitotoxicity can occur from substances produced within the body
not from eating them

http://www.stanford.edu/group/hopes/cgi-bin/wordpress/2011/06/about-glutamate-toxicity/

has nothing to do with MSG causing maladies. It simply states that an imbalance of glutamate is bad. Just like many chemicals in your body.

>http://neurotransporter.org/glutamate.html
says nothing about ingestion of MSG

>http://www.jneurosci.org/content/16/20/6394.full.pdf
says nothing about ingestion of MSG

>because MSG is not carcinogenic, it's harmless!

None of the sources you cited said anything about MSG being carcinogenic.

Furthermore, none of them were peer-reviewed scientific journals.

[Anonymous No.4977316]

>>4977302
Can you be more specific?

A list of names and emails that I could contact would be helpful.

[Anonymous No.4977323]

>>4977294
I don't understand this comment.

Please explain.

[Anonymous No.4977329]

>>4977311
>can occur = always occur
wut

[Anonymous No.4977341]

>>4977309
>ctrl+f natural n/naturaln
Well, what do you know? The only two results were typed by the MSfaGs, not to mention not one article from that website has yet been posted. Maybe you're bigger fans than we are.

[Anonymous No.4977348]

>>4977329
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excitotoxicity

Excitotoxicity may be involved in spinal cord injury, stroke, traumatic brain injury, hearing loss (through noise overexposure or ototoxicity) and in neurodegenerative diseases of the central nervous system (CNS) such as multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's disease, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), Parkinson's disease, alcoholism or alcohol withdrawal and especially benzodiazepine withdrawal, and also Huntington's disease.[3][4] Other common conditions that cause excessive glutamate concentrations around neurons are hypoglycemia[5] and status epilepticus.[6]


I don't see anything about eating MSG.

[Anonymous No.4977349]

>>4977348
>reads Wikipedia entry
>has fully elucidated the subject and can now write a lit review

[Anonymous No.4977356]

>>4977341
Did you just post this to be a smug asshole? Seriously, what is your point? It was just an example, I was talking about the general fear mongering over cancer, given that every scientific study posted here said nothing bad about consuming MSG.

[Anonymous No.4977358]

>>4977349
Burden of proof is on you, fucknut. You can't just yell "NOOO, THAT SOURCE ISN'T REPUTABLE" because it doesn't agree with.

[Anonymous No.4977362]

>>4977349
Do you have evidence that excitotoxicity can be caused by eating msg?

[Anonymous No.4977363]

>>4977349
Then post a source asshole. The anti-MSG guy posted a Wikipedia article, >>4977348 proves that the article has nothing to do with eating MSG and is completely irrelevant to the topic, then you counter by making fun of him for reading the article that the anti-MSG guy posted.

[Anonymous No.4977368]

A lot of peer reviewed studies are bullshit. More like paid reviewed studies. Plenty of scientists, professors, laboratories and researchers are willing to shill out for big dollars, unfortunately, and you all know this is true. And this goes for any side of the argument. I'm not saying anecdotal evidence should be taken as canon, but let's not kid ourselves in thinking business isn't going to be dirty also.

[Anonymous No.4977369]

>>4977358
You can't read a summary of a fraction of the literature and pretend you have fully elucidated (you may have to look that word up) the topic.

[Anonymous No.4977371]

>>4977363
#wrekt

[Anonymous No.4977375]

>>4976877
Reduced sodium salt? that's like making reduced wet water.

[Anonymous No.4977379]

>>4977369
This is true; and irrelevant.

No evidence to support the claim that MSG is bad has been presented and so nobody has any reason to believe the claim.

[Anonymous No.4977394]

>>4976965
Except no it isn't. You have no idea how different the these scenarios are.

[Anonymous No.4977396]

>>4977293
Hypersensitivity, eating MSG as a salad etc,

[Anonymous No.4977397]

What's it like knowing you're eating chemicals, /ck/?

[Anonymous No.4977403]

>>4977397
Water is a chemical too.

[Anonymous No.4977414]

>>4977397
>water is a chemical
>salt is a chemical
>sugar is a chemical
>amino acids are chemical
>Proteins? You better believe those are chemicals.

[Anonymous No.4977417]

>brings up a website nobody cited to attack the other side
>gets butt-twitched when called out on it
Typical strawman argument.

>fear-mongering
1 out of 4 Americans will die of cancer this year
http://www.cancer.org/research/cancerfactsstatistics/cancerfactsfigures2013/index
American Cancer Society, Inc.© website, same source cited by >>4977173

[Anonymous No.4977422]

Sorry Xir,

We do not serve transfats here

[Anonymous No.4977425]

>>4977356
>brings up a website nobody cited to attack the other side
>gets butt-twitched when called out on it
Typical strawman argument.

>fear-mongering
1 out of 4 Americans will die of cancer this year
http://www.cancer.org/research/cancerfactsstatistics/cancerfactsfigures2013/index
American Cancer Society, Inc.© website, same source cited by >>4977173

[Anonymous No.4977433]

>>4977417
How is it fearmongerig by stating a fact? Do you disagree that 1 of 4 Americans will die of cancer? If you don't think that's true you should probably post a source of some kind.

[Anonymous No.4977440]

>>4977425
Not that it really matters, but the American Institute for Cancer Research is not the same organization as the American Cancer Society.

[Anonymous No.4977448]

>>4977425

>accounting for nearly 1 of every 4 deaths

is not nearly the same as

>1 out of 4 Americans will die of cancer this year

But you were only pretending to be retarded, correct?

[Anonymous No.4977451]

>>4977433
Are you retarded? >>4977356 implied that "general fear mongering over cancer", hell, that's not even implication, that's a straight up statement, that the fact that 1 out of 4 of us will DIE of cancer is simply nothing more than left-wing media scare tactic fear mongering or what have you. I think those statistics are pretty frightening by themselves, how about you?

[Anonymous No.4977460]

>>4977451
>>4977448
>>4977425
>>4977356

I think there was a misunderstanding somewhere.

I have no idea whats going on dot jay peg

[Anonymous No.4977467]

>>4977451
What? I didn't say that there general fearmongering over cancer in general, but specifically to MSG.
>general fear mongering over cancer, given that every scientific study posted here said nothing bad about consuming MSG.
As you can see I was clearly talking about cancer fears related to MSG. Please just stop posting, I can't handle you lack of reading comprehension.

>I think those statistics are pretty frightening by themselves, how about you?
Maybe, but again, what does that have to do with MSG? Please do try to stay on topic next time.

[Anonymous No.4977468]

>>4977440
Touché. Although I'm sure their numbers match up pretty evenly nonetheless, if you bothered to look.

>>4977448
>Cancer remains the second most common cause of death in the US, accounting for nearly 1 of every 4 deaths.
>1 out of 4 Americans will die of cancer
Keep desperately grasping for straws, though.

[Anonymous No.4977474]

>>4977425
No one here is crying except you, otherwise you would have posted a source on MSG

[Anonymous No.4977478]

>>4977467
>there
>general fearmongering over cancer in general
>reading comprehension
Why don't you get some writing comprehension, then come at me.

[Anonymous No.4977479]

>>4977468
You said
>1 out of 4 Americans will die of cancer this year
I seriously doubt 25% of the American popualce is going to die this year.

[Anonymous No.4977487]

>>4977478
Read the whole fucking sentence you mouthbreather. Someone stated that MSG causes cancer, this whole thread is a response to that. You're just trying to backpedal now, and it's making you look pathetic.

[Anonymous No.4977496]

i choose not to use msg because it gives you cancer and i prefer not to eat tainted, unnatural foods.

only fresh, organic food straight from the earth. but nice troll thread trying to shill for Monsanto.

0/10

[Anonymous No.4977507]

>>4977479
HAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
Imbecile who can't into birth & death rates.
>>4977487
>Someone stated that MSG causes cancer, this whole thread is a response to that.
Really? I think my work here is done, then.

[Anonymous No.4977512]

>>4977507
>Really? I think my work here is done, then.
Good, maybe next time you can bring some evidence as well, instead of showing off your ignorance.

[Anonymous No.4977521]

>>4977512
Your illness will be evidence suffice.

[Anonymous No.4977522]

>>4977496

[Anonymous No.4977525]

>>4977311>>4977348
>>4977363
>not from eating them
Uh yes, from eating them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamic_acid_(flavor)#Excitotoxicity
>Because glutamate is absorbed very quickly in the gastrointestinal tract (unlike glutamic acid-containing proteins in foods), glutamate could spike blood plasma levels of glutamate.[15][16][17] Glutamic acid is in a class of chemicals known as excitotoxins, high levels of which have been shown in animal studies to cause damage to areas of the brain unprotected by the blood–brain barrier and that a variety of chronic diseases can arise out of this neurotoxicity.[18][19] There has been debate among scientists on the significance of these findings since the early 1970s, when John Olney found that high levels of glutamic acid caused damage to the brains of infant mice.[20] The debate is complex and has focused mainly on whether the increase in plasma glutamate levels from typical ingestion levels of glutamate is enough to cause neurotoxicity and on whether humans are susceptible to the neurotoxicity from glutamic acid seen in some animal experiments.
At a meeting of the Society for Neuroscience in 1990, the delegates had a split opinion on the issues related to neurotoxic effects from excitotoxic amino acids found in some additives such as monosodium glutamate.[21]

To illustrate a parallel point, asbestos doesn't cause lung cancer when ingested, however, that doesn't mean in the course of eating spoonfuls of asbestos you won't inhale it ever.

All you require for glutamate to reach by direct blood contact is a cut in your mouth, a stomach ulcer, or raw exposed intestinal membrane (Crohn's and other IBS sufferers).

[Anonymous No.4977526]

>>4977425
Drinking tears can cause you cancer.

[Anonymous No.4977532]

>>4977521
Reading comprehension isn't an illness. Learning how to read is an important prerequisite to browsing the internet, one you apparently lack.

[Anonymous No.4977534]

>>4977525
>and on whether humans are susceptible to the neurotoxicity from glutamic acid seen in some animal experiments.

Please provide evidence that these effects happen in humans.

[Anonymous No.4977536]

>>4977534
Also further evidence that these effects can come from ingestion of MSG would be helpful also.

[Anonymous No.4977556]

Where can I actually get MSG? Is it in a grocery store?

[Anonymous No.4977560]

>>4977525
>This explains studies that show that the BBB is impermeable to glutamate, even at high concentrations, except in a few small areas that have fenestrated capillaries (circumventricular organs).
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136011/

Glutamate in blood does not increase the amount of glutamate in the brain.

[Anonymous No.4977562]

>>4977556
Yes.

[Anonymous No.4977566]

>>4977534
>>4977536
Why should I do the runaround for you when you couldn't even read a fucking wikipedia article to the end? All you've been doing this entire thread is

>glutamate is not carcinogenic so it's harmless!
>someone states it is an excitotoxin
you have no proof therefore it's not an excitotoxin!
>prove that it is an excitotoxin
You have no proof this can happen through ingestion!
>I provide proof ingesting it could cause toxicity
You have no proof this has happened in humans!
>Wikipedia article lists a bunch of human-specific maladies and medical syndromes for glutamate poisoning
You have to prove these people got it through eating MSG!

Are you shitting me, do you think people shoot MSG up their veins on a regular basis?

You're the one coming in with ourageous levels of denial. Please provide evidence that glutamate is safe and that glutamate is not an excitotoxin that is not readily absorbed by intestinal lining even in the absence of subcutaneous injection.

[Anonymous No.4977567]

>>4977560
**"BBB" is "Blood Brain Barrier"**

[Anonymous No.4977569]

All of you proMSGers, remember this; no one is forcing you or coercing you into not consuming all the MSG you'd like. But for some bizarre reason, most food manufacturers decide upon labeling Monosodium Glutamate as *natural flavoring* or *additive* or *insert buzzword*. I wonder why? If you have the right to eat it, shouldn't us "tinfoilers" have the same right to know, as clear as written on OP's product, which foods contain it so we might avoid them, if so choose? Surely, if it is so safe and they're so confident and stand by this claim, what is the fear? All the money they might they might lose to a few health conscientious "nutjobs"?

[Anonymous No.4977574]

>>4977560
>cause damage to areas of the brain unprotected by the blood–brain barrier and that a variety of chronic diseases can arise out of this neurotoxicity.

Not all areas of the brain are protected by the blood-brain barrier. What is this new levels of retardation?

[Anonymous No.4977575]

>>4977566
please see>>4977560

[Anonymous No.4977595]

>>4977566
>do you think people shoot MSG up their veins on a regular basis
Actually, if you read the experiment this is what they were doing. At first glutamate was applied directly to the brain, then it was tested subcutaneously.

[Anonymous No.4977651]

MSG, GMOs, HFCS, and all the other initialized chemicals you ingest in your food, are perfectly safe! Just ask the FDA, USDA and CDC. After all, goy, dihydrogen monoxide is a chemical!!

[Anonymous No.4977779]

>>4977084
They look delicious. May I eat the green one?

[Anonymous No.4978592]

>>4977368
Utter Bullshit. Chemist here again. If you publish things that aren't reproducible you can say goodbye to your scientific career. That's the whole point of the peer reviewing system. Other scientists (your peers) review you methodology and often try to reproduce your results. If they're not reproduced you have some explaining to do.

[Anonymous No.4978598]

>>4977507
You did say that 1 in 4 Americans will die of cancer this year. I seriously hope you're not the guy that criticised the guys writing comprehension, because you've just said that a quarter of the American population will die this year.

[Anonymous No.4978600]

>>4977569
They label it like that because cunts like you wont buy it otherwise.

[Anonymous No.4978601]

>>4978592

>2013
>still thinking it's quality, not quantity, when it comes to publishing to advance your career

Good on you, because you must be a "chemist" making a living in the real world, because you sure as shit don't know how academia works nowadays. Your scientific career is only ended if you publish shoddy work that falls on the wrong side of a controversial topic. See: cold fusion, global warming.

[Anonymous No.4978602]

>>4977525

They were injecting relatively massive quantities of MSG directly into the blood stream of the rats. The amount of glutamate that would go through the mechanisms you suggested would be negligible.

[Anonymous No.4978611]

>>4978592
true facts

guy you're replying to doesn't know the difference between peer-reviewed and clinical.

[Anonymous No.4978612]

>>4978601
You keep talking about this, but you haven't given any evidence that this is the case.

I've published three papers (about frustrated magnetic materials if anyone cares) in my life, doing a pHD right now. Do you really think that companies are paying chemists to make it seem that certain chemicals are safe to eat?

Your paranoia is getting the better of you.

[Anonymous No.4978622]

>explaining to /pol/shits the subtitles of science
Let them continue to eat bland food, I say -- or rather their cheese-like goo they get in their delivery pizzas.

msg for me, is most potent in effectiveness in soups. I have no idea if it's even possible to incorporate it into western foods.