/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.4771491]

Nightly Vegan Thread. Tonight I had Vegan Pizza. It was a cheat day. I don't plan on cheating anymore though, because bread and shit is addicting. Every time I eat it, a beast is awaken inside me.

Tell me what non-animal food you had for dinner, /ck/?

But also tell me your opinion on Foie gras. People ask me why I don't consume anything animal and I tell them for my health, but I really want to tell them

>because eating animals encourages shit like Foie Gras

This food is specifically extracted in an unusually painful and torturous way. Like all animal products, it is unneeded, but Foie Gras is worse because of the sheer amount of torture that goes along with it.

[Anonymous No.4771496]

>>4771491
So i'm a vegetarian because i cheat and eat meat every now and then.

[Anonymous No.4771500]

>>4771496

reread the post. I had vegan pizza.

[Anonymous No.4771506]

> this is my ethical stance
> but I have cheat days

So, what's better, in your opinion? Being self-richeous and pretending that you believe something but not really believing in it enough to actually stick to it, or just admitting that you're an imperfect being and conceding that there are circumstances under which meat eating is okay?

[Anonymous No.4771507]

>>4771496

I consider bread and soy cheese to be candy foods. That's why it's a cheat. Real food is raw fruits, raw vegetables, steamed, unseasoned vegetables, legumes, figs, seeds, crushed nuts, unsalted peanut butter. Stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.4771508]

>>4771506

see

>>4771507

[Anonymous No.4771510]

>>4771491
I love foie gras. The poultry really don't mind either.

Also, bread is vegan is it not? Unless you consider that its killing those poor defensive yeasties

Also, pro-tip: there is no such thing as a vegan.

Please stop posting your shit here, nobody cares.

[Anonymous No.4771513]

>>4771510

:) Doesn't phase me. I just consider you a frequent fan... XD

[Anonymous No.4771521]

>>4771513
OP's reaction every morning after making this thread

[Anonymous No.4771538]

>>4771521

>how meateaters feel when they actually think about the extreme shit they do to consume other animals

Step 1: Feed the animal
Step 2: Shoot the animal in the head
Step 3: Skin the animal
Step 4: Cut the animal up into many parts
Step 5: Cure the dead flesh so it doesn't spoil and kill you upon consumption
Step 6: Season the animal with salts and spices so you can stand the taste of it
Step 7: Cook it because meat is such an awesome food that you can't just eat it raw
Step 8: Eat it

Now let's do an apple, or a carrot.

Step 1: Grow it
Step 2: Wash it
Step 3: Eat it

[Anonymous No.4771543]

>>4771538

This is bullshit. I ate a cow heart that was raw on the inside, the only reason it was cooked at all was because I couldn't handle the texture.

If you brought some kid up eating cleaned raw meat I'm sure he could handle it. Thus, all meat eating humans could potentially handle it

[Anonymous No.4771547]

>>4771543

Yeah. Keep lying to yourself. Barely anyone eats raw meat. You just desperate at this point. But I know for a fact a shitload of people eat raw fruits and vegetables.

[Anonymous No.4771550]

Vegan food porn? Vegan food porn

[Anonymous No.4771553]

>>4771547

Well yeah, but who cares? Me and the rest of us will continue eating meat no matter how much you bitch at us. What's your point? We're gross, unhealthy, unethical? We don't care

[Anonymous No.4771558]

>>4771553

I'm not trying to convert. I couldn't give a shit.

[Anonymous No.4771560]

I ate lentil soup the other day. What's something cheaper than bacon, yet smokey and delicious, that I can use to add flavour to it?

Paprika doesn't work very well.

[Anonymous No.4771567]

>>4771560
>What's something cheaper than bacon, yet smokey and delicious, that I can use to add flavour to it?

Can it be meat? There are cheaper smoked pork parts.

[Anonymous No.4771579]

>>4771567

grilled corn.

[Anonymous No.4771575]

>>4771567
Shhh, let the vegans answer, they probably have smoked tofu or something.

Ham hocks where I live are really expensive, anyway, since the hipsters love them.

[Anonymous No.4771576]

>>4771560
>cheaper than bacon
>smokey
>vegan

uhm, burnt wood chips?

[Anonymous No.4771577]

>>4771547

> barely anyone eats it

Ceviche, sashimi, tartare, scallop crudo, fresh oysters, people eat raw meat all the time. If it's fresh and not half-spoiled, there is nothing wrong or unsafe with raw meat. Sure, if it gets contaminated, fine, but raw veg can get contaminated with lysteria and ecoli and shit, too. Food safety really isn't that complicated. Long, bloated, bureaucratic supply chains are what fucks everything up.

[Anonymous No.4771581]

>>4771491
but...foie gras is amazing....

[Anonymous No.4771584]

>>4771538
>vegans actually believe you can't eat raw meat

oh ho ho you guys are seriously fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.4771586]

>>4771584

You can. But the majority do not eat meat raw.

[That Guy !!3F68Vxi4Ef5 No.4771589]

>>4771547
Sometimes when I'm making a slab of beef, I'll cut off a few slices, salt them, and eat it. Tastes great.

[Anonymous No.4771591]

>>4771586
And do you know why? Because 90% of the time seasoning and cooking something makes it taste better. This has nothing to do with meat vs. veggies, its fucking common sense.

[Anonymous No.4771592]

>>4771550
>Faux Gras

Oh the irony. In all seriousness, I wish I could find a place to do bulk orders now that my local place quit doing bulk. Had to buy off amazon last night because I don't know any reliable sites

[Anonymous No.4771596]

>>4771510
is that picture even accurate? thats such a clusterfuck of random shit piled into miscellaneous groups

[Anonymous No.4771598]

you should read this article if you are interested in foie.

http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/12/the-physiology-of-foie-why-foie-gras-is-not-u.html

All any of us can ask for is a kind life and to be treated humanely. After I die, it is not wrong to use my kidney, heart or lungs. that is how I feel about meat. Don't get me wrong, I hate factory farming, but foie gets a bad name for the force feeding when, I am doing something similar to myself as I drink this six pack of beer.

[Anonymous No.4771603]

if i were to eat vegan it would be for
ethical reasons because
it's really not that healthy

[Anonymous No.4771605]

>>4771598
>>4771598

holy shit this delusion. yeah, you freely drinking beer is the same thing as OP's picture. Meateater's try to make themselves feel better the dumbest way's. We know you feel shitty about it. Stop lying to yourselves.

[Anonymous No.4771608]

>>4771584
It doesn't keep well without preparation. Speaking from experience, it's a lot easier to grow potatoes than to raise sheep, which is why the latter is an order of magnitude more expensive than the former.

[Anonymous No.4771609]

>>4771603

Eating raw fruits and veg and having said raw foods comprise 80% of your diet is the healthiest way to eat. It also happens to be vegan.

[Anonymous No.4771612]

>>4771596
I'm not going to go through each item, but do a little research for yourself:
http://www.jivdaya.org/from_lipstick_to_marshmallows.html

>Processed cow fats are many times used to make cookies and salty snacks taste rich and to make lipsticks glide smoothly. Cow proteins show up in shampoo. Collagen, extracted from the inner layer of cattle hide, is used to balm wounds and cosmetically puff up lips. Gelatin, refined from cattle hide and bones, is found in such foods as ice cream, gummy candies and marshmallows -- as well as the capsules encasing drugs.

(Ironically, all the vitamin supplements vegans probably take are most likely encased by cow bits)

http://rense.com/general92/101.htm

>Fishing line, face wash, chewing gum, food packaging, sweetener, antifreeze, synthentic oil, toothpaste, and sugar. These are everyday items that all of us use. If one realized the mass amounts of products they themselves were using with cow parts, they might think twice about saying what a waste it is to eat a cow and then get rid of it.

[Anonymous No.4771619]

>>4771608
No shit. It's also a lot harder to grow saffron and vanilla bean than it is to grow rosemary and basil, it doesn't mean its unethical or pointless.

[Anonymous No.4771622]

>>4771612
Lol, we know about the processes used in most medicines and avoid them as much as possible. Beer, capsules, sugar, etc. They sometimes use animal products, but there are brands out there who cater to vegans as we pay more for brands we like

[Anonymous No.4771625]

>>4771619

Yeah, as long as you shut your brain off and forget that you're explicitly using sentient mammals for food. Sentient mammals that show affection to their children just like we do to ours.

But remember, you can't think about that. They're not mammals like we're mammals. They're different mammals.

[Anonymous No.4771627]

>>4771612
hmph, well the more you know. thanks based anon!

[Anonymous No.4771630]

>>4771625
Who said I was ignoring that fact? I don't eat meat because I think the animals I'm eating don't feel or can't think. I eat meat because I like it and it tastes good. End of story. I'd probably eat you if it were legal and the majority of society agreed with me.

[Anonymous No.4771632]

>>4771605
Is it wrong for a person with kidney disease to receive a kidney from a donor? Wrong for the hungry to eat meat? I see no difference. I am always surprised that vegans don't differentiate between ethical animal husbandry and CAFOs. It makes you seem an un-nuanced extremist.

[Anonymous No.4771636]

>>4771609
>>4771609
why raw? your gut actually processes nutrients from properly cooked foods more efficiently and completely.

[That Guy !!3F68Vxi4Ef5 No.4771637]

>>4771625

[Anonymous No.4771642]

>>4771550
>unironically shilling anything put out by PETA

You can tell PETA really cares about animals because they gas them and throw their bodies in a dumpster instead of driving a spike into their brain and actually putting their bodies to use.

[Anonymous No.4771643]

>>4771619
Hey, I'm not saying anything's wrong with eating meat on a moral level, because the vegans seem to have no trouble doing that themselves.

What I AM saying is that the less labour-intensive something is to make, the cheaper your diet is, the less land it generally takes up, and the better it is all round.

Whether or not you agree with them, vegetarians (and sometimes vegans) are able to live fairly well on cheap diets consisting of foods that usually keep well and are significantly easier to grow at home. There's a lot we can learn from them, even if their diets could be improved with the addition of some poultry, eggs, and dairy.

[Anonymous No.4771644]

>>4771632

We're the first animals that have the capacity to care for other animals and most of us propagate an industry that kills 10 billion mammals a year.

Da Vinci was right. We're savages. We care more about our taste buds than we do about actual beating hearts. Animals that contain mammalian brains separate from ours. We can't be bothered because we're no better than a fat lady who can't resist chocolate. Complete lack of willpower.

[Anonymous No.4771639]

>>4771632
They are extremist. They think eating an egg or honey is cruelty. Not even most vegetarians take it that far.

[Anonymous No.4771646]

>>4771630
O so much edg

[Anonymous No.4771648]

>>4771642
i hate those fucking assholes

[Anonymous No.4771649]

>>4771547
Who the hell cares about raw? Cooking food breaks proteins down and allows us to digest more nutrients in the food-- veggies and meat.

That being said, cooking is a fail-safe to avoid the nastier things that can survive freezing or clean environments.

Dangerous microorganisms in our food are almost non-existent and happen more because of improper handling after food gets home than anything. You could very well eat most of what's in your kitchen raw (except maybe pinto beans- those phytotoxins!) and be fine.

Also, have you ever gardened? that "grow it" part of your plant process is nothing short of warfare. Bugs, fungi, bacteria... Between monsanto pushing their seeds and no regulations on the organic market, I'm afraid your plant produce may not be as sinless as you'd hope.

[Anonymous No.4771651]

>>4771649

Cooking food also destroys enzymes in food.

[Anonymous No.4771653]

>>4771644
>wanting to eat meat = not wanting to eat meat but can't stop myself from eating it

[Anonymous No.4771656]

>>4771651
>Enzymes are simply protein catalysts that operate at the specific temperature and pH for which they evolved. There is nothing magical about enzymes, and indeed the plant enzymes that raw foodists are so enamored of aren't even meant to function in a mammalian body. In any case, human digestion breaks most proteins (including natural enzymes) down to constituent amino acids fairly quickly, making them nutritious, but inactive. There are some cases where cooking foods can cause the leaching of nutrients (specifically by boiling them); however, this is not true in all cases, and sometimes cooking can even make nutrients more accessible. Finally, those few proteins that aren't broken down quickly by the digestion process can result in a food allergy; many cases exist of people who are allergic to a raw food item but not to cooked versions of the same item.

[Anonymous No.4771659]

>>4771656
Don't post facts and science, they might have a psychotic episode due to the stress of being wrong.

[Anonymous No.4771660]

>>4771625
yes, when i eat barbeque, i think about that pig that was so affectionate she didnt let one of her piglets feed, and then ate said piglet after it died of malnutrition...

or the pig who simply rolled over on its young suffocating them...

such noble creatures

[Anonymous No.4771661]

>>4771656

Well, that may be true. But for me, raw food works. I've never felt better. I feel a hell of a lot better than I did when I ate dead cooked flesh.

[Anonymous No.4771664]

>>4771660

Pigs have been shown to have a higher capacity for intelligence than canines. Also, humans kill their children in stupid ways every day. Guess we should eat them.

[Anonymous No.4771665]

>>4771661
That's probably because you're eating better food in general than because you're eating raw food specifically. Are you exercising regularly too?

[Anonymous No.4771667]

>>4771665

I'm not sedentary, but I don't go to the gym by any means. 174lbs 5'11.

[Anonymous No.4771669]

>>4771661
>waaaah muh poor honey bees the slaughter look they are taking their honey combs from the poor workers those damn 1% capitalist pigs

[Anonymous No.4771671]

>>4771644
But anon, I DO care for animals, including goats, that are pets.
I DO demand that my meat be raised lovingly and killed humanely. These are not in opposition and I have yet to hear why one cannot both care for animals, even deeply, and use their meat.

[Anonymous No.4771672]

>>4771669

You're a child.

[Anonymous No.4771675]

>>4771671
Because its disgusting anon! You don't see other animals violently murdering and eating other animal flesh DO YOU?

[Anonymous No.4771673]

>>4771664
We could but eating humans causes kuru whereas eating pigs just makes you fat.

[Anonymous No.4771678]

>>4771675

I see animals with teeth designed to eat their kill on the spot, eat animals. I don't see animals with most flat teeth eat their kill on the spot. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.4771682]

>>4771672
>thinks eating honey is a terrible offense to humanity and the animal kingdom
>calls other people children

[Anonymous No.4771684]

>>4771598
I was expecting a lot more hate in the comments section of TFA than that. I guess the world *isn't* 4chan, after all...

Thanks for that article, btw. Foie gras had bothered me a little (not as much as PETArds), but I'm a lot more comfortable with the dish now.

[Anonymous No.4771685]

>>4771672
So, why is beekeeping so bad, again, given that they help pollenise pretty much everything you eat?

[Anonymous No.4771681]

>>4771678

mostly flat teeth*

[Anonymous No.4771687]

>>4771684
I think it depends on where you buy it from.

[Anonymous No.4771688]

>>4771685

honey is not something I'm interested in. I don't want it

[Anonymous No.4771689]

>>4771678
You are completely correct. This whole eating animals thing is a product of our evil modernistic society and has nothing to do with our history as a species.

[Anonymous No.4771691]

>>4771678
>that picture

It's like the artist has never seen a human bite wound before.

[Anonymous No.4771693]

>>4771688
What if I'm interested in it?

[Anonymous No.4771694]

>>4771688
And how about eggs? Why is it bad to raise chickens in your back yard and eat the eggs they produce every morning?

[Anonymous No.4771697]

>>4771691
pro-tip: vegans don't operate in this plane of reality.

[Anonymous No.4771699]

>>4771678
You see carnivores use their Nature-given assets of teeth and claws to consume the food they want.

You see humans using our Nature-given assets of large brains with problem-solving skills to consume the food we want.

What's the difference?

[Anonymous No.4771700]

>>4771678
How about the hundreds of animals that don't actually kill their food, they eat what some other animal has already killed?

Humans are very capable of tearing raw flesh with their teeth. Humans might not be capable of killing a cow by biting it (Some might, who knows?) but if you look at a lot of animals, for example the hyena, they don't kill what they eat.

So, using the argument of "Animals that eat meat have teeth designed to kill their food" is invalid.

Humans evolved the use of tools. We're very capable of killing something with a tool, which you could compare to an animal's claws, horns, etc. We're also very capable of ripping and eating flesh.

I think all you vegans just need hugs. Big, omnivorous hugs.

[Anonymous No.4771704]

>>4771700
>for example the hyena, they don't kill what they eat.

Not true actually, hyenas are excellent hunters.

[Anonymous No.4771708]

See these adorable little fuckers right here?

These are stoats. They will chase down rabbits much larger than them until the rabbit is exhausted, then kill it when it's too tired to fight back, from running for its life.

Delicious, terrified, exhausted rabbit for dinner.

[Anonymous No.4771709]

>>4771700
Bad example. Hyenas are rather vicious and effective pack hunters. They know better than to pick a fight with a pride of lions, though, so when the big cats show up, the hyenas move away from the kill and let them get their fill. Hyenas hunt nocturnally, though, and were until relatively recently only shown approaching a carcass after lions had their fill. Pre-dawn research has since disproven this assumption.

[Anonymous No.4771712]

>>4771704
So are humans.

[Anonymous No.4771716]

>>4771712
Exactly. I've shot and killed a deer before, took it to the local German butcher and had them make sausage out of it. It was delicious.

[Anonymous No.4771717]

See this adorable little fucker?

This is your standard domesticated house cat.

Cats will find and torture small creatures until the animal dies from exhaustion. They might not even be hungry, they just do it.

[Anonymous No.4771720]

>>4771717
Mice get into shit and spread disease so I would hardly argue that murdering the little fuckers at any opportunity is cruel and unjust.

[Anonymous No.4771722]

>>4771720
You would if you were a vegan.

[Anonymous No.4771724]

>>4771722
I honestly wonder if the "eating animals is cruel" subset of vegans actually do advocate letting pests run free because the alternative is to harm them.

[Anonymous No.4771725]

>>4771717

I guess we should let cats set the example for us, ethically.

>retarded flesh-tomb logic

[Anonymous No.4771729]

>>4771725
The difference is when farm animals are butchered it's for meat, and every other part of the animal is used as well. Instead of just chasing the cow in circles until its heart explodes then leaving it there.

But the fact you said "flesh-tomb" makes me think your post's a troll, my point still stands to actual vegans who think like you though.

I'm not saying "Hey don't eat vegetables that are designed to taste like meat", I'm just saying doing these troll threads on /ck/ where vegans always try to preach veganism and make eating meat seem bad is pretty stupid.

[Anonymous No.4771730]

>>4771717
Walk on over to /an/ and ask them how they feel about outdoor cats.

It will look something like this thread here.

[Anonymous No.4771736]

>>4771725
vegan fag, please answer this
>>4771694

hard mode: no ad hominems or straw men

[Anonymous No.4771738]

>>4771506
If Jesus can forgive our sins you can forgive cheat days you food nazi

everytime i try to understand a vegan they are either responding to "steak everyday faggot" of attacking someone that doesnt aadhere to veganism 24/7.

[Anonymous No.4771744]

>>4771742
>>>/pol/

No, people who disagree with you are not always mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.4771747]

>>4771744
Already deleted the post, anon. Don't you look silly

[Anonymous No.4771750]

>>4771547
Okay. Go eat some raw rhubarb.

[Anonymous No.4771762]

The vast majority of Vegans didn't become vegans because they think it's healthier. They become vegans because they have a psychological aversion to animals being killed and eaten. (aka nature) They just look for a reason to justify their thinking and just tell everyone it's for heath reasons.

[Anonymous No.4771765]

>>4771738

Then you've missed the point. Again: if it's important enough that a person would advocate for the lifestyle, why not follow it every day? If I hold that killing people is unethical, I don't get a free pass for killing people on cheat days every couple months. If meat is wrong because cruelty, suffering, inefficient use of resources, meat-eaters are just thoughtless hedonists, etc and you believe in this strongly enough to criticize others for when their choices are different from yours, then you don't get to be above criticism when it turns out you don't actually value your beliefs that highly and that they are subject to the exact same whims of convenience as those of an omnivore. It's an excuse for self-righteousness and pretense disguised as a moral issue, and it isn't being a food nazi to call a spade a spade. Ethical stances don't have cheat days.

[Anonymous No.4771771]

>>4771762

But this isn't true. The society's with the highest concentration of centenarians have a plant based diet. All of them. Extensive studies have been done. Every single society with an usually high concentration of centenarians ate mostly plants and very little meat, if any at all.

I eat meat, but I don't pretend it's healthy.

[Anonymous No.4771774]

>>4771771

Sorry, societies*

[Anonymous No.4771777]

>>4771771

I doubt that. Most of the world's centarians are in Japan, and they are infamous for eating everything that swims, crawls, or walks.

In the US one of the most well known centenarians claims that eating bacon every day is the secret to her long life:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57583786/the-secret-to-long-life-bacon-says-105-year-old/

Of course, anyone who's bothered to really study the research knows that extremely long life is the gift of genetics, not diet.

[Anonymous No.4771782]

>>4771771
It is healthy when eaten in a balanced diet, IE
MOSTLY plants and some meat. The ideal diet lies between old rice farmers in SE Asia and US gluttony. \

[Anonymous No.4771783]

>>4771777

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-jk9ni4XWk

[Anonymous No.4771791]

have you ever tried to pet a goose or a duck? those guys are faggots.

[Anonymous No.4771792]

>>4771771

>I eat meat, but I don't pretend it's healthy

Good thing you don't have to pretend, because it IS healthy.

Also

>correlation without causation

This is why you don't let idiots try to interpret statistical data, nor any kind of scholarly or scientific research.

If someone sincerely believes meat to be unhealthy, then they objectively and unequivocally do not understand basic nutritional science and should never, under any circumstances, be relied upon for advice regarding one's dietary protocols.

It's the equivalent of believing the world is flat, or that the solar system isn't heliocentric. It's that level of bullshit.

Want to know what's healthy? Meat. Vegetables. Fruit. Nuts. Legumes.

Want to know what isn't healthy? Dairy. Gluten. Processed, frozen, and deep fried foods. If it's been processed, laden with additives and food coloring, and freeze-dried for convenience, it's probably not healthy.

You will not find a single person who eats animal proteins, lean vegetables, fruits, nuts, and legumes in a balanced macronutrient ratio (30ish percent for each of the three macros) that is anything other than healthy unless they have outstanding health issues.

Why? Because balanced omnivorous diet = most healthy, most efficient. Don't like it? Too bad, get fucked, no one cares about your shitheel pseudo-science and outdated studies from the 50s on shit like saturated fat because you can't figure out how to read a fucking medical journal.

[Anonymous No.4771795]

>>4771791
actually geese are aggressive and mean. I was once chased into a tree by them.

[Anonymous No.4771797]

>>4771792

>the dead flesh I'm consuming can't be unhealthy, c-c-can it? I really like it and I'd hate to admit something bad about it.

[Anonymous No.4771799]

Meat is murder.
Delicious, delicious murder...

[Anonymous No.4771802]

>>4771792
hey, off topic so sorry, but someone explain why gluten is bad? I think of it as an integral part of home baked bread. Why am I retarded?

[Anonymous No.4771806]

>>4771802
It's not bad. It's faggots like >>4771797
that try and convince you something we've been eaten since the dawn of our species (meat) is unnatural and unhealthy.

[Anonymous No.4771807]

Meat is Murder
Delicious, delicious murder...

[Anonymous No.4771808]

>>4771802

What are allergies?

[Anonymous No.4771810]

>>4771802
You're not, gluten-haters are. 5% of those avoiding gluten actually have a reason (intolerance caused by a disease). 95% are just hipster yuppie faggots.

[Anonymous No.4771819]

>>4771808
They are an irritation brought on by leukotrienes (sp) and histamines. Now wtf does that have to do with gluten? I eat everything and do not have any allergies fyi.

[Anonymous No.4771827]

>>4771819

Some people are allergic to gluten...

[Anonymous No.4771829]

>>4771827
oh-for sure. But I have seen a recent upward "trend" in this allergy, and it seems that some claim health benefits. I am asking if the claimed health issues are real or naturotard psuedo science.

[Anonymous No.4771830]

I do encourage Foie Gras, and veal and suckling pig. cruelty is delicious.

[Anonymous No.4771832]

>>4771830
again, none of that need be cruel. I don't usually say this, but you sound like an edgy fedora. It just seems to be appropriate in this context.

[Anonymous No.4771833]

Hominids have been eating animals since well before the first human wandered out of the savannah (for ~230 million years), we evolved eating meat, it isn't any more unethical for me to consume a chicken then it is for a Baboon to eat a Gazelle.

[Anonymous No.4771837]

>>4771833

Oh but it is. You have something other animals don't. The knowledge that you don't have to eat other animals to live...

[Anonymous No.4771850]

>>4771636
Several nutrients are destroyed from heat. Additionally, today we don't know even 10% of the nutrients which are in the fruits and veg that we eat, so eating them in their normal raw state as nature intended is the healthiest thing to do if you want to try to get all the nutrients you need in a day. Also you kill off enzymes in the foods when you heat them.

[Anonymous No.4771854]

>>4771837
It would be unethical if the animal in question were sentient or sapient, I do not advocate eating Dolphins or any of the higher order primates. Then again, if we did breed a sentient and sapient animal that knew it existed just to be eaten and wanted to be eaten to fulfill its purpose, would that be worse or better then normal livestock.

[Anonymous No.4771858]

>>4771850
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.4771859]

Pic related.

[Anonymous No.4771866]

>>4771859

/thread

You can't fuck with science

[Anonymous No.4771868]

>>4771859

This explains why so many people in the world are dying of obesity (something that animals rarely die from). They're eating another specie's food.

[Anonymous No.4771873]

>>4771859
>>4771866
>fruitarians
I'd tell you to kill yourself, but you already are.

[Anonymous No.4771881]

>>4771873
Fruitarian is not the same as frugivore. Frugivores need greens for minerals and nuts in small amounts. If a frugivore ONLY eats fruit they will get mineral deficiencies. Frutarians eat only fruits, no greens or nuts.

[Anonymous No.4771882]

>>4771859
this is just an unconvincing infographic from a vegan raw foodist website arcoirisuniversal.
so >>4771866 sorry but not science and possibly dangerous.

[Anonymous No.4771895]

>>4771882

this guy has been doing it for five years and he runs 100 mile marathons

[Anonymous No.4771897]

>>4771837
but i want to...

[Anonymous No.4771904]

>>4771895
wow-same picture and dude as last night. Quite a deep well you are drawing from eh?
The more I think about this, the more I see veganism as some pathetic first world affectation. Do you have any idea how much many places would give to have access to consistent animal protein in their diet?

[Anonymous No.4771906]

foie gras is fucking delicious
i dont give 2 shits what you or those animals have to say
why not stand up for something like starving kids in Africa or suicide bombers in the mid east
theres far greater causes to fight for
veganism is a 1st world problem
stop being such a raging faggot

[Anonymous No.4771912]

>>4771904

doesn't make it not true, sperglord.

[Anonymous No.4771917]

>>4771507
>unseasoned vegetables

Why can't you put a little salt and pepper on your fucking vegetables? These are the kind of red flags that deter me from veganism or any other extremist diet.

[Anonymous No.4771924]

>>4771912
You are right, but your case boils down to one body obsessed health nut whose ability to remain healthy depnds on his ability to live a lifestyle that is abolutely not an option for the average person. So yes, I take you at your word that there is totally this guy who can like, eat celery and walnuts and run a 5k. gotcha.

[Anonymous No.4771926]

>>4771924
>>4771924

the internet is easy. look him up

[Anonymous No.4771931]

>>4771917
Depends all on quality. If you have quality vegetables then they simply don't need to have anything added to them. Unfortunately most places in this world don't have access to really good vegetables. If putting salt and pepper on your vegetables means you'll eat them then by all means do so. You shouldn't punish yourself and your taste buds for having low-quality produce. If it's all you can get then it's good enough and throw a little something in to make it nice. Maybe add some fresh herbs, too.

[Anonymous No.4771934]

>>4771926
>I can't prove my case, so why don't you do it for me.
I already said I believe you. The more salient question is why are you relying on this one dude night after night instead of some actual evidence.

[Anonymous No.4771937]

>>4771934

he's a five year case study. That's plenty reliable. So you even into research?

[Anonymous No.4771940]

>>4771931

love that pic

[Anonymous No.4771947]

>>4771937
>one person
>valid study
i don't even...
alright I am tired and your conversation is stale.

[Anonymous No.4771949]

>>4771924
>>4771904

http://foodnsport.com/blog/80-10-10-Allstars/

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/

There's a small list of other people. And if you looked at google or researched it you'd find plenty of others. Just because the other anon uses the same picture twice doesn't mean the person in the picture is the only one. There are vegan bodybuilders and athletes who perform outstandingly. Maybe they're simply inspired by that one person.

[Anonymous No.4771961]

>>4771949
and Bill Clinton too, yes I know. You have me confused with someone who hates vegans automatically. I dont. I respect your right to have a somewhat burdensome diet for whatever reason you wish. What bothers me is the way that many use subjective reasoning and very questionable "science" to claim superiority for having what is, in essence, a way of life based on your values and nothing more. I constantly try and improve my diet and it is only made more difficult when I am told that worcestershire sauce is out because it includes anchovies. An animal raised happilly, killed quickly, and eaten in appropriate portions is a natural food just as is kale.

[Anonymous No.4771968]

>>4771961

It's based on health. Do your research please.

Ethical is just a side effect

[Anonymous No.4771975]

>>4771543
d-daenerys?

[Anonymous No.4771988]

>>4771961
To each his own. Being vegan isn't a burden for me, on the contrary I enjoy sitting down to a meal that I know will make me feel my best and that will fill me up and make me feel truly satiated. Belladonna is also natural, but is extremely toxic.

In my opinion if a person is eating meat two times a week there's nothing wrong with that. There are several countries where people eat meat a few times a week and they have very few if any health problems. But eating meat every single day at every single meal? I'm not doing that to my body, but anybody is entitled to eat how they wish. If vegan is too extreme for some, following the "Eat to Live" style of eating by Joel Fuhrman is outstanding compared to the SAD diet. But if a SAD dieter is to call veganism extreme I'd like to humbly say that extreme is getting your leg sliced open, a large vein taken out, your chest split open, and getting the vein from your leg sewn into your heart because atherosclerosis disables your heart from getting enough blood. I don't go around preaching people be vegans, but eating more fruits and veg doesn't hurt anybody ;)

[Anonymous No.4772005]

>>4771491
I had some cucumber slices w/ground peppercorn and a can of V8 for dinner. I've been vegetarian for 3 months now, and I just gave up cheese and milk a couple weeks ago. Almond milk is rather nice, but vegan cheese tastes like shit so there's no subbing that. Gave up bread too, but that's no great loss. Now I'm slowly taking the meat substitutes (soy patties etc.) out of my diet as well. They're just crutches I suppose.

I'd just like to add, however, that vegans who are vegan because of "cruelty to animals" are still, and will always be, trueborn faggots of the most severe degree.

Seriously, get fucked you ignorant sacks of shit.

Omnivores, keep fighting the good fight.

[Anonymous No.4772059]

>>4771507
what a boring diet

[Anonymous No.4772071]

>>4771538
>>4771547
You get more nutrition out of cooked meat you idiots. Also the consumption of meat is what led our brains getting larger and evolving. If humans were supposed to eat fruits and veg from the start we would still be Bonobos

[Anonymous No.4772074]

>>4772059

I eat to live. My life is centered around family and work and my hobbies. Not pizza, fast food, and fried foods.

[Anonymous No.4772081]

>>4771667
WHAT A FATTY Im 180 and 6'4

[Anonymous No.4772085]

>>4772081

Aware. Working on it. Getting down to 150. I'm 17^ bf I want to closer to 10%

[Anonymous No.4772084]

>>4772074
What a sad boring life. I like to feel and taste all life has to offer. I bet you dont like any either

[Anonymous No.4772090]

>>4772071
hey bonobos are better for the enviroment than any of you psychotic, murdering carnies.
also, natural animals in nature don't kill for a living, they go by mother earth and eat vegan.
Except for the more human tainted animals which we've (you've) raised to eat flesh of other living beings.

FREE THE BEES, FUCK AFRICA

[Anonymous No.4772096]

>>4771738
Funny. Almost every time I see vegans or vegetarians talking about their diets, it's because they're ridiculed, shunned or downright getting called names for not eating meat all the fucking time. It's when they answer to deliberate provocation that they're then called "preachy" and "obnoxious".

Not vegan or vegetarian by any means, by the way.

[Anonymous No.4772100]

>>4772090
>hey bonobos are better for the enviroment than any of you psychotic, murdering carnies.
They also rape their adolescents while they scream in terror and pain.

We should mimic the shitflingers... is the worst excuse for vegetarian/vegan lifestyles ever. Even worse than something from an idiot that's never been to a place where the geese run to the feeding tubes, because they love being stuffed but have trouble doing it themselves.

[Anonymous No.4772101]

>>4772090
>Natural animals dont kill
Wut
also what are natural animals, I did not know we had unatural animals.
Any ways your a troll 9/10 you got me going

[Anonymous No.4772102]

Vegans are the LGBT of the culinary world.

[Anonymous No.4772104]

>>4772100
I know its bait know, calm down, only dreams

[Anonymous No.4772106]

>>4772104
now not know

[Anonymous No.4772167]

>>4771491
>>foie gras
>>cruel
http://youtu.be/ABeWlY0KFv8?t=31s

[Anonymous No.4772183]

>>4772102
they're just the T because they are the most unnatural animals
>>4772101

[Anonymous No.4772186]

>>4771895
That guy also looks terrible.

[Anonymous No.4772197]

>>4771859
Because a chimp won´t eat meat given the chance.

[Anonymous No.4772205]

>>4771895
yeah and eddie izzard runs marathons too and uses animal grease lipstick what's your point

[Anonymous No.4772213]

>>4772074
>everything that isn't raw fruits/vegetables/seeds is fast food

What? You can be perfectly healthy and enjoy eating delicious food, they're not mutually exclusive. You just have to exercise and eat moderate portions.

[Anonymous No.4772216]

>>4771868
No, people are dying of obesity because, thanks to changes in society and technology, we have essentially unlimited access to food and don't have to exert ourselves physically to get it. People are fat because they eat too much, don't have a balanced diet, and don't exercise, not because they aren't raw food vegans or whatever other diet they're 'supposed' to have.

[Anonymous No.4772218]

>>4772216
Making sense in a vegan thread is nonsense

[Anonymous No.4772312]

>>4771507
Enjoy your iodine deficiency. Dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.4772343]

>>4771507
You must be such a sad, sad, sad person.

>Hey anon want some bread ?
>Oh no, I'm on my diet, do you have any beetroots ? Or I could just go chew on the grass outside.

[Anonymous No.4772443]

>>4772216
Dont try and argue with a vegan, its better to let them just stay in the corner and play with their food.

[Anonymous No.4773066]

>>4772443
I know, I just get tired of seeing this same thread with its same ridiculous claims every day. At least take it to /fit/ or something, in my opinion /ck/ is about enjoying food rather than what food to eat/avoid.

[Anonymous No.4773085]

>>4771603
You'd be better to eat vegans.

[Anonymous No.4773169]

>>4771491
My great-grandma did that stuff to geese. But they were just normal geese, they didn't look like the horror-show in OPs pic.

[Anonymous No.4773177]

>>4773169
It doesn't even look like a horror show to be honest. They took a picture at the worst possible moment. If you actually watch the process the geese don't even give a fuck that much about it.

[Anonymous No.4773310]

Hunter Reporting in.
I often get hungry when I see animals, I've bitten a duikers throat out (small buck in South Africa). So the small canine theory is bullshit. I eat biltong (sun dried, seasoned meat) which is tough as shit, using just my teeth.

I've eaten raw meat from wild animals.
I don't really support how animals are tortured in the meat industry, I kill my own meat.

Im not fat at all, and my cholesterol is non-existent. 6'4 and 90kg. I say this is because wild animals have MUCH less fat than stock animals. Also the fatties from meat eaters is much more to do with the preparation methods they use.

Its also different for woman I think, if you take into account the hunter gatherer mechanic where men where hunters and woman gathered plant based food it makes sense why men would have a higher affinity for meat and huntig, also our physiology is at its peak when eating high protein foods which is hard to gain from eating only veggies. Especially in the survival setting our ancestors would find their selves in, it would be really hard to find enough high protein foodstuffs without meat.

[Anonymous No.4773854]

>>4771678
we evolved from animals that could rip your face off with their hands, biting was a thing too of course, but it wasn't like we really needed it. more importantly, the development of our weaker muscles was after we became meat eaters, not before.

[Anonymous No.4773855]

>>4773310
who cares about proteins? its the calories that matter.

[Anonymous No.4774718]

>>4771491

Not all people who raise ducks for foie gras force-feed them

[Anonymous No.4774730]

You vegans sicken me, every day animals are made slaves to pollinate your vegetables. Countless bees, flies, ants and other insects are forced to work to produce your food. Fungi are the only harm free form of nutrition since their spores are spread by the wind. Fungitarian for life!

[Anonymous No.4774746]

While I think foie gras is absolutely delicious and though I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, I still refuse to eat it on moral grounds.

[Anonymous No.4774747]

>>4771538
You are one retarded vegan.
The only real reason I can see someone becoming a vegan is to boycott the companies that use meat that came from slaughterhouses where the animals were raised in terrible enviroments.

[Anonymous No.4774756]

Feeling sympathy for animals whose sole purpose in life is to be as delicious as possible is a mental disorder. We created them, without our mouths waiting to eat them they would never have existed in the first place. They are not like us, they do not live interesting fulfilled lives, they will never accomplish anything. Once it's dead it won't care if it felt pain during its life and neither should you.

[Anonymous No.4774770]

>>4773855
>You know very little about nutrition.

[Anonymous No.4774854]

>>4774746
see >>4772167

[Anonymous No.4774870]

>>4774854

>kept in a barn their whole life
>in a tiny fenced area
>massive metal tube stuck down their throat
>force fed

>not cruel

I stand with what I said

[Anonymous No.4774895]

>>4773855
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.4774945]

>>4771906
this

[Anonymous No.4774985]

And OP is the reason these nightly vegan threads should be bannable.

If you want to do a vegan thread, talk about vegan foods. You wouldn't start a sushi thread, then in the opening ask for whether or not you should serve.country fried steak with the gravy on the side, so you don't post a thread about vegan food talking about nonvegan food.

This board is about food, not moral or ethical issues surrounding food. OP has no interest in discussing food, just berating those who chose to eat meat.

None of this is to say that the ethics and morals of food are not worth discussion, just that this is not the place.

[Anonymous No.4774986]

>>4774870
Nothing there really happens, though. Good brands don't do that because it's bad for the meat quality.

[Anonymous No.4774987]

>>4774986
They're not bred for the meat.

[Anonymous No.4775031]

>>4774985

[Anonymous No.4775051]

>>4771538
This holier-than-thou asshole is so fucking enlightened. Don't you see? He's trying to help us, and we don't listen. He lectures us nightly about the torture and suffering we inflict on beings that think and love and have emotions and babies that they love. And we cut their throats and dine upon their flesh, because even though we could get everything we need from plants, we choose to be vile, violent heathens that murder for our own pleasures. Don't you all see that? He's good and we're evil. He's trying to convert us. This vegan freedom fighter should be commended for his persistent attention to this cause in which he believes so strongly.
Just kidding. I wish they locked bullshit threads like this one.

[Anonymous No.4775057]

>>4771538
>Now let's do an apple, or a carrot.
Plant it, tend to it, weed it, water it, fertilize it, protect from pests, wind, cold; pick, douse in preservatives so it doesn't spoil by the time it gets to the store, transport, wash, peel, cut, cook, eat.

[Anonymous No.4775075]

Why should I care if humans are fruit eaters or not. Eating food and enjoying food is a significant part of my life and I am not going to give it up for MAYBE (probably not too) living a LITTLE longer.

[Anonymous No.4775081]

>>4775075
You had me up to "fertilize it" Fertilization takes place by dropping Animal Excrement on to the Plant(s). And given the choice of a Baccon Cheeseburger or a Carrot grown out of a patch of shit... I'll take the Cheeseburger....

[Anonymous No.4775089]

>>4771491

Bro I once made a ox-tail demiglace with a bunch of smoke foie gras thrown in it. So Expensive. So Delicious. So Wasteful. So Dowzer.

Fucking deal with it, foie is tasty.

[Anonymous No.4775092]

>>4775081
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.4775112]

>>4775092
Sorry >>4775075
Should've been: >>4775057

[Anonymous No.4775116]

>>4775089
Damn that sounds nice!

[Anonymous No.4775121]

>>4775112
The guy that's saying vegetables are just as much a hassle to grow as meat? What's the point?

[Anonymous No.4775138]

>>4775121
Living is a hassle. Fuck life lets all die.

[Anonymous No.4775152]

>>4775121
I don't care to eat shit....

[Anonymous No.4775157]

>>4775152
Or specifically things grown in shit.

[Anonymous No.4775273]

>>4771491
What's wrong with foi gras? You know ducks have leathery throats, which means the tube doesn't hurt, right?
Also, why do they line up for the feeding?

[Anonymous No.4775278]

>>4771625
>sentient
>cows and chickens

[Anonymous No.4775323]

>>4771859
>frugivore
>posts pic of omnivore

[Anonymous No.4775353]

>>4771625
>Says they don't care about other people eating meat
>Posts shit like this

This is the only reason I hate vegans.

[Anonymous No.4775362]

>>4775353
This. Vegetarians can go straight to hell.

[Anonymous No.4775386]

>>4774987
>organs aren't meat

[Anonymous No.4775395]

>>4775386
Exactly.