Water To Be Privatized

[Anonymous No.4408018]

Nestlé CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized – Not A Human Right

Do you believe water is a basic human right? According to Nestlé CEO water is a foodstuff
that should be privatized, not a human right. Nestlé CEO Peter Brabeck says that with the
global population rising water is not a public right, but a resource that should be managed
by businessmen.

Nestlé CEO Peter Brabeck: “Access to water should not be a public right.”

(video:)
http://americanlivewire.com/nestle-ceo-says-water-is-food-that-should-be-privatized-not-a-human-right/

[Anonymous No.4408029]

Soon they'll tax people for breathing clean air, doesn't surprise me.

[Anonymous No.4408031]

Yes. Water is a human right.
Pretty sure the UN says stuff about that.

Also, not everything needs to be privatized. Sometimes corporations need to settle down.

[Borneo No.4408054]

But the water must flow.

[Anonymous No.4408055]

>pic related

[Anonymous No.4408074]

[Anonymous No.4408086]

I tried to watch that CEO go on about fresh water being a foodstuff and I couldn't. He sounded like he was trying to show me the logic in handing over those Jews I've been hiding in my basement.

[Anonymous No.4408089]

>>4408074
That guy scared the shit out of me as a kid

[Anonymous No.4408094]

Must remember to instigate boycott of this evil fucker's corporation.

[Anonymous No.4408101]

I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a right (because I believe rights are inherent, not obligations of provision) but I do believe that people deserve clean. available water.

[Anonymous No.4408108]

I get what he's saying, that water is somewhat scarce and people should realize is not something to be wasted or taken for granted, but this guy just radiates the most evil vibe he's a piece of shit forsure

[Anonymous No.4408138]

[Anonymous No.4408141]

>>4408108
>water is scarce
if by "scarce" you mean "the most abundant and easily accessible resource on the planet" then yes, it is scarce.

The places people have problems getting water are not like that because of water shortages.

[Anonymous No.4408148]

>>4408141
clean cheap and drinkable water m8

[Anonymous No.4408151]

>>4408141
>not being primarily composed of water
>2013

[Anonymous No.4408152]

>be from area with 100,000 lakes

Feels good.

[Anonymous No.4408157]

Is it true there aren't any drinking fountains in yurop?

[Anonymous No.4408160]

>>4408157
>drinking out of a water fountain

I feel sorry for you and your lack of income.

[Anonymous No.4408162]

Everyday when I wake up I feel like I've logged into a MMORPG that doesn't have instances and the server is nearly full. I can't gain experience, obtain new equipment, earn money, etc.

I could care less about green technology. That's fixing the wrong problem as far as I'm concerned.

Think about how much better off we'd be if we created an artificial limit on how many people could actually exist on the entire planet at one time. Assuming, of course, there was cooperation with the world's nations and the political climate allowed it. And, of course, withholding plagues and natural disasters that have the potential to wipe out humanity.

>no unemployment
>no homelessness
>no food or water shortages
>no energy crisis

It'd be like living during the Western expansion except without the hardship. In 1810, there were less than 1,500 people living in (randomly chosen) Arkansas. By the 1900s, there were over a million.

Fuck everything about that. Man, I'd have loved to live then. Shorter lifespan, reduced access to medical care, less variety of food, etc.? Sign me up. I'm not even phased.

[Anonymous No.4408169]

>>4408162
And let me guess, fat neckbeards like yourself would be first on the list?

lol grow up faggot

[Anonymous No.4408173]

>>4408160
>can't tell if trolling or really that stupid

[Anonymous No.4408179]

>>4408173
Enjoy your herpes.

[Anonymous No.4408188]

>>4408169
0/10
List?

[Anonymous No.4408189]

>>4408160
i'm sorry you can't have nice things. do you think public toilets are for people without indoor plumbing as well?

[Anonymous No.4408214]

>>4408148

"YOU LIVE IN A FUCK'N DESERT!"

[Anonymous No.4408232]

>>4408189
>drinking out of a communal fountain

Really?

[Anonymous No.4408242]

There will be water wars before the end of the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.4408256]

>>4408152
You from Finland?

[Anonymous No.4408261]

>>4408018
I agree with him, honestly. I don't see why people take such an issue with this.

[Anonymous No.4408264]

>>4408261
Because we need it everyday t to survive?

[Anonymous No.4408273]

>>4408141
Are you unaware of the drinkable water shortage the entire planet is experiencing?

[Anonymous No.4408293]

>>4408264
Not who you're replying to, and I don't agree with the CEO, but don't you think people should be a little more mindful of the water they use?

People that waste it should be charged more. So make water a basic human right. Everyone gets free X gallons of water a today. Exceed that threshold and you pay out the ass.

Being wasteful isn't a right.

[Anonymous No.4408301]

>>4408018
>nestle
evil corporation. they should just rename themselves umbrella and end the pretense.

[Anonymous No.4408305]

>>4408293
I agree, a lot of water probably goes to less than useful reasons, and I do agree that we should do something to make sure we use our water more wisely.

[Anonymous No.4408321]

>>4408293
>don't you think people should be a little more mindful of the water they use
really depends where you are, but yes. especially the barely habitable places like the american south west.

[Anonymous No.4408322]

> Do you believe water is a basic human right?
Not when worded like that, no.
> Nestlé CEO Peter Brabeck says that with the
global population rising water is not a public right, but a resource...
Sure...
>that should be managed by businessmen.
No, no, no, no, fuck you.

This is basically why I can't identify with the "privatization" crowd. What they mean by privatization is not giving it to the people (who may, voluntarily, form co-ops or even de-facto municipal control) but to have a public sale to a corporation... usually a corporation that is already fucking huge.

In short, what Brabeck would want is basically a government-like control over water as opposed to real free-market privatization (which you kind of see with bottled water, for example).

[Anonymous No.4408327]

Drinking rainwater should count as theft.

[Anonymous No.4408331]

>>4408322
To add to this, let me explain what I mean by different kinds of privatization. The US Postal Service can be privatized in two ways.

Nestle way: federal government sells the US Postal Service to the highest bidder. Obviously, only a huge corporation can win and gets bigger and harder to compete with. Essentially, its the same as before but not under government rule.

Free market: government repeals law that only allows US Postal Service to deliver first class mail. All businesses that deal with deliveries can participate, as can new start-ups.

So basically, while the premise of what Nestle is saying is true, what he would want is to just keep things the way they are except it would be his company playing government.

[Anonymous No.4408333]

>>4408327
Already kinda happening with government-run water: http://www.wtop.com/46/3284653/Higher-tax-in-Maryland-can-be-blamed-on-the-rain

[Anonymous No.4408336]

>>4408322
>as opposed to real free-market privatization (which you kind of see with bottled water, for example).
No, you really don't. Nestle takes water for free from the great lakes and sells it for profit.

[Anonymous No.4408337]

>>4408293
> don't you think people should be a little more mindful of the water they use?

(OP here)
Sure, but handing over control of Earth's water to profit-by-any-means corporations, isn't being "mindful".

It's not Average Joe Citizens who are wasting water, it's the global corporate nobility.

[Anonymous No.4408339]

>>4408293
>Being wasteful isn't a right.
It is if you pay for it.

[Anonymous No.4408341]

>>4408336
Key word is "kinda." And yeah, I agree with you. But what you have there is multiple companies competing with a similar product. Compare that to, say, Nestle owning the great lakes because the government sold it to them.

[Anonymous No.4408342]

>>4408256
Nope, NW Ontario.

[Anonymous No.4408348]

If we privatize everything than wtf am I paying taxes for?

Other than guarding the poppy fields.

[Anonymous No.4408354]

>>4408327
> Drinking rainwater should count as theft.

Already is in some places, m8;

"But these days, Jackson County, Oregon says it owns YOUR rainwater,
and the county has sentenced a man to 30 days in jail and fined him
over $1500, for the supposed "crime" of collecting rainwater on his own
property."

http://www.naturalnews.com/036615_Oregon_rainwater_permaculture.html

[Anonymous No.4408365]

>>4408354
lol murrkkka

[Anonymous No.4408366]

>>4408354
Why is the law so stupid?

[Anonymous No.4408370]

>>4408354
>muy freedoms!

[Anonymous No.4408372]

>>4408354
>>4408366
Have to fund the bailout somehow.

[Anonymous No.4408381]

>>4408029
IMPEACH OBAMA

[Anonymous No.4408388]

>>4408094
Good luck, he's buffered by several million minorities

[Anonymous No.4408411]

bechtel tried this and failed miserably. i will also never buy another nestle product after reading this.

[Anonymous No.4408424]

>>4408337
Most of the golf courses around here are irrigated with reclaimed gray water. We have one of the highest per capita number of courses in the world, and one of the lowest per capita water usages in the country.

[Anonymous No.4408435]

>>4408029
>corporation
>taxing you
u wot m8

[Anonymous No.4408485]

>>4408018
damn, it's like one of those horrible sci-fi books.

[Anonymous No.4408527]

If water was privatized, maybe farmers (by far the biggest users of water) will be forced to start paying market prices instead of getting it at a 99.999% discount.

All for it.

[Anonymous No.4408534]

>>4408339
That's a privilege.

[Anonymous No.4408535]

>>4408527

Enjoy your $100 tomatoes.

[Anonymous No.4408536]

>>4408527
And you will be bitching when food prices skyrocket.

[Anonymous No.4408539]

>>4408527
Actually the biggest use of water is in manufacturing. Which is fucked up.

[Anonymous No.4408540]

>>4408411

Ditto.

>water is a precious resource and shouldn't be wasted.
Good point. More needs to be done for conservation in this area.
>It should all be owned and managed by corporations, especially nestle. gibbe plox
GET REKT COCKSUCKER

[Anonymous No.4409233]

>>4408536
>>4408535
Hopefully it would put enough pressure on our retarded western govenrments to drop all food subsidies and tariffs. We would get cheap food from the 3rd world, and poor as fuck farmers would benefit a lot. It's a win-win.

[Sceak !!LciZj2frsW6 No.4409242]

>>4408018

I don't think it's a right, but I don't think it's a privilege, either.

Throughout history, drinking water has been available to whoever could find some, and I think that should remain, or be improved.

[Anonymous No.4409253]

>>4408018

[Anonymous No.4409315]

[Anonymous No.4409317]

>>4408301
>implying corporations aren't inherently evil by nature

[Anonymous No.4409331]

Money-hungry dicks like Brabeck make me rage.

[Anonymous No.4409334]

>water is not a right
>suddenly Nestle owns the ocean because it contains molecule of water they own
>gotta pay for cloud and rain too
>60% of your body is now owned by corporation

and so on

[Anonymous No.4409483]

In US water is already privatized, it's just regulated. The regulation is there to set limits on profits. It is also subsidized my municipalities to compensate for the lower profit margins since cities typically pay the bills for the keeping the infrastructure maintained, ie all the pipes running to your house. The reason they do that is to make damn sure the infrastructure is maintained properly which corporations aren't very good at ie our antiquated power grid that continuously fucks up.

This debate came up back when Dubya was in office. He wanted to keep up the subsidies and remove regulation. There is no way in hell that will reduce the price of water. It will have nowhere to go but up. I know it sounds all socialist, public utilities are one place where socialism works and works well.

Protip: turn over the nuclear energy infrastructure to the government, ie the military. The military operates hundreds of reactors and except for one accident in the 50's they have a spotless record. The reason is they don't have a profit margin to worry about. Nuclear power is quite cheap. As for the waste, pretty soon we should have railguns capable of launching that on a one-way trip to Pluto.

[Anonymous No.4409501]

[Anonymous No.4409529]

>>4409501
Desalination of sea water can/will provide all the water you foolish earthlings could ever need. The reason there are shortages has nothing to do with the earth not having enough water to support the population, it has everything to do with how much it costs. Desalination plants are not cheap, nor is it cheap to run water pipes to everyone in Africa/Asia.

100% pure economic issue.

[Anonymous No.4409530]

>>4409501
>Japan on list for best water
The water here tastes like ass crack

[Anonymous No.4409538]

>>4409501
That's odd. Not sure what "best" means for water... Taste or cleanliness? And why the fuck is Belgium ranked #1?

Murrikan water is hit or miss and usually has some kind of unusual taste (too many minerals).

I was just in Netherlands and every water I tasted was delicious.

Was going to protip and recommend buying distilled water. It has no taste, which is my favorite flavor for water... But they always sell it in those fuckin plastic milk jugs and the water ends up tasting like plastic. The 5 gallon ones for the water dispensers tastes good tho, no plastic flavor.

[Anonymous No.4409631]

The only right to water you have is if you drink it out of a stream or lake.
"Right to food" my ass, friggin commies.

[Anonymous No.4409695]

>>4409538
Belgian water is ruined by metal, paint, cloth industry, deforestation, traffic and absurd amounts of fertilizer.

[frgsp No.4409749]

That's mad about Belgium. The very worst water, in the WORLD? I wonder if they actually found a way to get aid money and subsidies by being the worst, so cooked the figures. Or, if it's an excuse they invented so they had more reason to drink their beer instead...!

I didn't know Belgium was heavily industrialised. It's a fairly landlocked country, and the bit I went to the waterways were historically used for industry. Plus their one bit of coast is on the busiest commercial shipping lane in the world or some shit.

One thing to remember about ALL of this: companies try to get away with what they can, and they lobby local and central government to act as their enforcers. In Bolivia, and even in parts of the USA, authorities have attempted to stop people collecting rainwater, saying the aquifer was privately owned, and they were obstructing profit! But as long as you don't damage property (eg break water pipelines) there is nothing that actual law can do to prevent a human being collecting water from anywhere.

[Anonymous No.4409795]

>>4409749
At the time when my sister was born, the hospital would keep mothers/children in for observation for up to a week. During that time they would give my mother beer with lunch.

This was the mid 80s. I do not know if beer for nursing mothers is still common.

[Anonymous No.4409796]

>>4409749
>it's ok to steal rain
>trying to make profit is wrong and should be stopped

If you hate corporations so much, throw away your macbook, your iphone, your life saving medicines, your food, etc...

[Anonymous No.4409809]

>>4409796
>steal rain
>steal
>rain
>steal water that falls from the sky directly onto your property
>stealing
>fucking
>rain

[Anonymous No.4409810]

>>4409809
i will believe in bolivia, but not in usa.

USA is very protective of water being public domain. You can't even own rivers that run on your property.

[Anonymous No.4409827]

It is interesting how Brabeck completely misrepresents what the right to water actually entails.

Just like the right to housing does not mean that you can't own a house, or be in the business of developing houses and selling them for a profit, the right to water does not mean that water is no longer a commodity.

The concept of the right to water comprises an obligation on the state to progressively ensure that its citizens have access to clean water, through the development of sound policies to that effect, and through ensuring that its other policies (economic development, most prominently) keep this right into account. There is also an obligation to ensure that there is no discrimination.

I fail to see how that is extremist. Having access to clean water is surely a part of a dignified life as a human being. And that is what human rights are for.

It does not conflict with business, either. I live in Switzerland and the tap water here is of excellent quality. And yet a lot of bottled water is sold. The fact that the lakes and rivers are clean and accessible isn't bad for business either.

[Anonymous No.4409850]

>>4408018
>businessman says businessmen should control stuff
no news here
they shouldn't even control food.

[Anonymous No.4409877]

>>4409827
wrong

having a right to something means the government cannot place restrictions on your access

it does not mean inherent costs vanish

>you have a right to a home
>but you are not entitled to a free home

>you have a right to speech
>but you must deal with private consequences of that speech

>you have a right to self defense
>but you must furnish yourself with the means to do so

[Anonymous No.4409889]

>>4409796

Lemme get this straight. Using your logic, since the Nazis developed the jet engine, you have to stop flying altogether if you have any problem with any of their policies.

[Anonymous No.4409893]

>>4409796

>If you hate corporations so much, throw away your macbook, your iphone, your life saving medicines, your food, etc...


Lemme get this straight. Using your logic, since the Nazis developed the jet engine, you have to stop flying altogether if you have any problem with any of their policies.

[Anonymous No.4409894]

>>4409877
>implying /ck/ isn't statist as fuck

back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.4409895]

>>4409877

Maybe you should compare the way State obligations are worded in treaties and domestic law that determine economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to housing, food or water, with the way civil and political rights are worded.

Comparing the right to housing with freedom of expression is just ridiculous. The only reason both are human rights, is because they are essential to human dignity. Related obligations, on the State and private actors, are completely different.

[Anonymous No.4409896]

>>4409893
if flying on planes directly funded nazi shenanigans, then yes.

[Anonymous No.4409897]

>>4409796
That's it. I own the land your shadow falls on, and also the sunshine. Please pay me royalties every time your shadow falls on my land.

[Anonymous No.4409903]

>>4409895
ha ha oh wow
>>4409894

embarassing

he's right though, you are not entitled to a home

[Anonymous No.4409906]

so Obama & even the UN say having access to the internet is a right for every human but water is not
ok Nestle
ok...

[Anonymous No.4410206]

>>4409233
> We would get cheap food from the 3rd world

Enjoy your Listeria, Salmonella, E. coli, etc. not to mention the complete
lack of controls on corporations in 3rd world shit holes (i.e. enjoy your
Tetrabromodiphenyl ether and pentabromodiphenyl ether coated vegetables).

[Anonymous No.4410209]

I hate to say it, but he has a point.

Tragedy of the commons will utterly buttfuck us in the near future if we treat fresh water as an unlimited resource.

Unfortunately, no politician wants to be the one to bring up the possibility of heavy restrictions.

[Anonymous No.4410211]

>>4410206
there is nothing quite as depraved as a man in the depths of an ether binge..

[Anonymous No.4410219]

>guilted into propping up native populations with food and water aid
>population doubles
>more aid required now
>"Omg, they're starving again. Send more!"
>guilted into propping up native populations with food and water aid
>population doubles again
>"Omg, they're starving again. We need to take in their excess population!"
>first world countries collapse under immigrant influx

Where are you, Malthus?

[Anonymous No.4410239]

>>4410209
there are several desalination plants that provide water for about 50 cents a cubic meter. Thats about 250 gallons. Just the money spent on bottled water is enough to replace all fresh water usage in the world.

[Anonymous No.4410240]

>>4410219
> Where are you, Malthus?

Indeed, our water problems, food problems and all the various resource problems
humanity is facing, stem from too many fuck'n people on the planet and more
people there are, the more power corporations like Nestle have.

[Anonymous No.4410244]

>>4410239
and that is assuming we wouldn't keep having water renewed in the form of rain. Fresh water will only be a concern for a short period of time, if we do not start constructing new plants before shortages begin.

[Anonymous No.4410255]

>>4409538
> Murrikan water is hit or miss

Metro Detroit suburbs here, where we have among the best water quality on the planet
and the costs are miniscule; my monthly water bill (which includes the cost of sewage
treatment) is $12.65, which is the minimum charge for 2 "billable units" (1496 gallons).

[Anonymous No.4410265]

>>4410240

God, this reminds of me of the one time in university I gave a shit about a humanities class.

I spent five minutes convincing the entire class of the validity of lifeboat ethic, of how not every human has the right to reproduce, and of the reality of being forced to choose between two evils - great suffering now or even greater suffering in the future.

No one walked out of the class smiling that day.

[Anonymous No.4410301]

>>4410265
What a true hero you are. I bet you sure changed lives that day.

[Anonymous No.4410306]

>>4410255
I don't know about your part, but when a flight got delayed and I was stuck in Detroit for a few extra hours, I tried to find some water that did not taste like metal and feces. I was unsuccessful and settled with buying a bottle of water.

[Anonymous No.4410343]

Suppose someone would buy the Amazon/Mississippi/Whatever sources... could they ask $$$ from anyone using the river?

[Anonymous No.4410365]

>>4410343
yes

[Anonymous No.4410368]

>>4410343
no. in the usa you cannot own water rights. even if you own the land next to a river, you cannot own the river itself.

[Anonymous No.4410379]

>>4410368
brb, imma go buy all the shores next to the Mississippi River and charge people to get in and out.

[Anonymous No.4410398]

>>4410379
yo also can't own sky rights, so potentially they could parachute in. On enter from the ocean. The mississippi enters the ocean yes?

[Anonymous No.4410547]

>>4410379
>charge someone to get out
that's kidnapping

[Anonymous No.4410607]

>>4408242
>>4408305
>>4408273

[Anonymous No.4410610]

>>4409796
Monsanto is a piece of shit company and we already produce enough food to feed the world, several times over, without using their crops.

[Anonymous No.4410618]

>>4410610
Yep. Ignoring Monsanto completely, the issue isn't food, it's infrastructure/transport and refrigeration.

[Anonymous No.4410621]

>>4410398
True, but doing those things would for a lot of people be more expensive than the fee I would charge.

[Anonymous No.4410726]

>>4408354

He was collecting it in huge containers / amounts.
That can fuck up the ecosystem tards.

[Anonymous No.4410850]

>>4410368
this is not true. it is close, however.

if the land was purchased before some law was passed in the early 1900s, water rights are included with the land.

[Anonymous No.4410865]

How come shooters and bombers don't aim for pieces of shit like this?

[Anonymous No.4410875]

>>4410301
LOL. Thank you.

I love the gravitas with which everyone has been treating the OP. Speechless.

[Anonymous No.4411009]

>>4410726

"The man's name is Gary Harrington, and he owns over 170 acres of land in Jackson County.
On that land, he has three ponds, and those ponds collect rainwater that falls on his land.

That rainwater that just fell on your land? That's the government's rainwater, and you're going
to jail if you try to steal from the government!

That's the explanation from Jackson County officials, who initially granted Harrington "permits"
to build ponds back in 2003. But the state of Oregon revoked his permits a few years later, after
he had already created the ponds, thus putting Harrington in the position of being a "water criminal"
who was "stealing" rainwater from the state."

[Anonymous No.4411031]

I bought some property 3 years ago. It has a well on it, and I had the well water tested three separate times: once by the seller's inspector, once by my inspector, and I sent out a 3rd sample to a private lab as a double-check before I bought the property. The water tests came back great (all three).

However, I am not allowed to drink my own well water. According to the law I MUST buy my water from the city, even though I already have safe well water on my own property.

How's that for bullshit, right here in the good 'ol USA. This is why I want the government making as few decisions as possible regarding water.

[Anonymous No.4411039]

>>4411031
Why don't you just drink it but keep it a secret?

Do the well police patrol your backyard?

[Anonymous No.4411043]

>>4411039

The city reads water meters. They know if I stop using city water. Also, the city water was required to be hooked up in order to meet code when I bought the property.

I have since reconnected the well to my kitchen faucet but still use the city water for toilets, shower, washing machine.

[Anonymous No.4411044]

>>4411043
I don't know about you, but I would feel like a fucking badass every time I drank your well water.

[Anonymous No.4411052]

>>4411043
You could still use city water for showers and stuff but drink the well water.

[Anonymous No.4411062]

ITT: we don't realize that in some places in the world, such as the western half of the United States, water is a limited resource. The amount of fresh drinking water available is variable, and depends on precipitation, which varies from year to year. The concept of western "water rights" exists to make sure that the people downriver get the water they need to stay alive (and after that, to grow crops, sustain livestock, or use in industry), because it's totally possible to drain a river of all its water before it reaches its natural outlet - indeed, most years the Colorado River never actually reaches the Gulf of California.

If you don't own the water rights to your property it's illegal to capture well water or rain water to use on your property, because that water is legally divided up amongst all the individuals, corporations, cities, states, and countries along the drainage that leads from your little patch of dirt all the way to the ocean.

[Anonymous No.4411072]

>>4411043
eh, wouldn't doing the opposite be the more sensible thing to do?

Use the city water for stuff you'll ingest, and the well water for everything else?

I don't know about the monitoring of your city water, but I'd imagine it'd be safer than the occasional testing on your well water.

[Anonymous No.4411085]

>>4411031
> I bought some property 3 years ago.
> I am not allowed to drink my own well water.

Municipalities pull all kinda shit all the time, when the property changes owners.

10-15 years ago, there was a law suit hereabouts by the city against a 70-somthing year old homeowner
who had been living his family's home his own life, which used a well for water supply.

The court sided with the old man, as the well had been legal when acquired ownership 50-some years
back but once he died, the new owner had to get city water hooked-up. Of course by then, the house
was in the middle of a subdivision that had been built up around it in the 1970's.

[Anonymous No.4411086]

>>4411009

That's utter bullshit and the reason why federal buildings get blown up and people go Chris Dorner against the government.

If I was him I'd hire the best attorneys money could afford to write a letter to the county stating that since it's THEIR water they have 30 days to remove all of it otherwise a $xxxx.xx per day fee will be levied against them for the storage of said rainwater. If the county would try imminent domain or any funny business sick the attorneys on them.

One of two things will happen, Mr. Harrington will become incredibly wealthy storing the rainwater for the county or the stupid fucking law would get changed.

[Anonymous No.4411093]

>>4408018
of course water is a basic human right
it's a basic human need holy shit

[Anonymous No.4411101]

>>4411072

The well water tastes much better than the city water. It also doesn't leave a film in glasses or residue in the pasta pot, etc. I have it tested regularly and it's always been well within spec. Just to be safe I have a filter & UV sterilizer on it. It is not difficult to ensure safe water. I trust my own monitoring of the well much more than I trust city management.

[Anonymous No.4411838]

>>4410865

Hey, your try to find these assholes and "take 'em off the map", it's hard.

[Anonymous No.4411921]

>>4408141
People aren't this dumb.

[Anonymous No.4411927]

>>4411093

So is food, but food costs money

[Anonymous No.4412006]

>>4408179
I don't live in a socially underdeveloped nation where a large percentage of individuals have STDs aka uhmurrika. The fountains in our local park are very sanitary and not everyone are mindless youths who'll fuck for drugs.

[Anonymous No.4412192]

>>4412006
actually even if you lived in a shithole all you have to do is not being a retard and french kiss the fountain.
>>4411927
houses cost money too but you still have a right to shelter.

[Anonymous No.4412229]

>>4411031
what state?

[Anonymous No.4412237]

>>4411101
For me it is never about the city water where it is cleaned. I trust them. But the miles of pipes between there and my home. Those were all buried decades ago, and as far as I can tell. never checked or monitored except when a leak needs repairing.

Out of curiousity, what is the mineral content of your well. manganese, flourine, potassium calcium, etc?

[Anonymous No.4412256]

They should do it, that way environmentally (and therefore economically) unsustainable developments never get built.

You know the movie Chinatown? The villain's supposed to be a bad guy for wanting to keep LA's water supply privatized, but 50 years afterwards, LA suffers from chronic water shortages and shit, so he's really not looking that bad for wanting to hinder development now.

If he had gotten his way, there'd be no tumor of the west coast.

Capitalism and environmentalism go hand in hand. If the environment goes, so does the economic utility of the land. It's the distortions inherent in development subsidies that hide this simple fact from us, and all governments distort the economy dramatically.

No subsidies = no development cancer = equilibrium and peace with the environment.

[Anonymous No.4412266]

>>4408242

[Anonymous No.4412283]

>>4412256
California's water situation is a prime example of why utilities should never be privatized.

The problem is that there is no difference between government and private enterprise in California.

[Anonymous No.4412299]

Water's a fucking human right. This cunt doesn't know what he's talking about.

Liberals won't let it happen, so whatever.

[Anonymous No.4412309]

You could replace any given food with any other given food and still provide adequate nutrition for at least a short time.

There is no substitute for water. Every human being needs water.

[Anonymous No.4412317]

>>4409809
>>4408366
>>4408365
I know it sounds ridiculous, but this actually makes sense when you consider the water politics of the dry areas in the USA.

Many states and regions in separate areas are fed by the same water source - often a river fed from a huge watershed. There's a direct relationship between upstream water use and downstream water availability.

If a community in in the headwaters of the region is using a substantial amount of water, it can cause water shortages for hundreds of thousands of people. Even people doing things like saving large amounts of rainwater can have large effects if enough people in the community do it, which is why they have to crack down hard on that shit.

Believe it or not, water availability and shared use of water sources has been the subject of HUGE inter-state lawsuits in the past.

[Anonymous No.4412320]

>>4412283
carlsbad will be done the year after next. And then it will provide like a hundred million gallons of water a day for less than a penny a gallon. still like twice the going rate of water, but still cheap

[Anonymous No.4412321]

>>4412317

It is clear that in some cases water has to be managed. The question is, who does a better job of managing it. Private or the Gov't?

[Anonymous No.4412323]

>>4412317
I recently watched a ted talk that explained how having more cows will increase rainfall.

[Anonymous No.4412324]

>>4408162

Although it is a Moral greyzone, i completely agree...

The problem isn't water scarcity, it's overpopulation
Same goes for mostly anything being consumed by humans, being scarce

[Anonymous No.4412327]

>>4412321
Personally, I say the feds are the better choice given the inherent profit-drive of private industry, but that's a political argument I don't really want to start right now.

[Anonymous No.4412331]

>>4408261

Basic human needs should not be privatized, period.

>inb4 Food is privatized

There's nothing stopping us from having a fucking greenhouse or a sheep or three in the backyard.

[Anonymous No.4412339]

>>4412324
overpopulation could be fixed by economic equality. poor people breed more. rich people have declining population.

If we can provide adequate housing and food and entertainment for everyone, they would breed less.

So we need superior nuclear power plants, and robot farmers.

[Anonymous No.4412345]

>>4412323
Theres also deserts that you can turn arid with tree. Parts of the west used to be much wetter until the native americians over stretched there resources.

[Anonymous No.4412349]

>>4412345
they were pretty arid until trains killed buffalo. And then the overfarming which lead to the great depression dought.

[Anonymous No.4412370]

>>4412327

I have the opposite opinion, for the same reason.

The profit drive for a private company is a strong force that makes them address their customer's needs. The Gov't has no such drive. They get paid the same whether they do a good job or sit on their butts and do nothing. No incentive to do their job well is a bad thing. Furthermore, private industry is subject to the the law. They can be arrested, fined, or sued if they make mistakes. The government is above the law. When they screw up there is no recourse.

[Anonymous No.4412377]

>>4412370
I think gov would be better, because water demand changes quite often. Even just the difference between a snowy winter and a dry one can change the water supply in an area. Business would be harder pushed to take the loses when needed. Whereas the gov wouldn't care as much

[Anonymous No.4412385]

Someone needs to start stabbing these motherfuckers in the throat

[Anonymous No.4412386]

>>4412370
>that makes them address their customer's needs
This bit here is where my opinion diverges from yours, because I do not believe profit motive will necessarily drive the company toward addressing the customer's needs. It can in some cases, but in order for that to happen, there needs to be high visibility for the company, transparency for the market and availability of a lot of relevant information, and consumer interest in actually following the company's actions.

I don't think those are reasonable expectations for all cases, and I believe there are many cases where there's a combination of factors that lead to the drive toward profit at the expense of consumers is more powerful than the drive toward profit that benefits consumers' interests.

I would rather trust government than industry in such cases.

[Anonymous No.4412403]

>>4412386
I remember when hippies in california were pissed they couldn't buy wind energy. Cause they weren't close enough, and no lines.

So the government was like "ok everyone share your lines, and people can buy from whomever."

So the hippies started paying twice as much for wind energy, but then prices started raising, cause demand was higher than supply. And then the non wind energy people started raising there prices, cause they saw people were paying it. And then people died from 1390 dollar electrical bills.

[Anonymous No.4412407]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y9WHLu_PP8

[Anonymous No.4412429]

>distributing water is already in the hand of private companies in 3rd world coutnries, and they use the same tarrification for those people as they do for us, which is basically cheap for us and impossible to pay for them
>WATER IS SCARCE BE HAPPY WE SELL IT OT YOU AT ALL

hey, it's just mosanto logic applied to water. What a surprise...

[Anonymous No.4412518]

oh wow is this real life? Sometimes I think I'm in a coma and this world is just some twisted construct of my sub-conscious.
This fucker cant even put up a coherent argument, he just rambles about how GM-foods seem to be safe because the American's havent turned into mutants. WTF does that have to do with privatizing water resources? Are they going to genetically modify water? Is technology going to create somekind of SuperWater™?
And his bullshit about how humanity "has never been better". Oh really? Maybe if you live in fucking Switzerland and make 8 figures a year. Cunt.
Privatization of public infrustructure is such a fucking rort. They take a system that is owned by the people and works to provide for the people, and they squeeze the shit out of it to create a profit at the detriment of the services provided.

[Anonymous No.4412519]

>>4412237
> But the miles of pipes between there and my home. Those were all buried decades ago,
> and as far as I can tell. never checked or monitored except when a leak needs repairing.

The local water dept. does periodically check water quality at the end of the line, (your
kitchen faucet) not just at the water treatment facility but like much of our infrastructure
nowadays, how often and with what care this is done is debatable.

[Anonymous No.4412525]

>>4412519
>how often and with what care
exactly. I test the water myself. but that is not possible in restaurants, or hotels, or the homes of friends.

[Anonymous No.4412527]

>>4412403
You do not remember that. That is a fantasy you just made it up. What happened in california is that the energy companies bought some laws that favoured corporate greed. So prices skyrocketed and quality of service dropped to 3rd world standards

[Anonymous No.4412537]

>>4412321
> Private or the Gov't?

I don't think there really is much difference anymore...

[Anonymous No.4412549]

>>4412518
> Are they going to genetically modify water?

There's a scene in John Varley's "Steel Beach" novel, where additives (nanobots?)
are put in the water that constantly clean your teeth and give you minty fresh breath.

[Anonymous No.4412567]

>>4412525
I have a friend who is an engineer for the city in the water dept. and he checks the computer for me. They test all the time in the different areas of the city for levels of all sorts of stuff like bacteria, lead, etc. That is just my city though and all the results are fed into the main computer.

[Anonymous No.4412568]

His starting argument that humans are this completely separate entity from the rest of the world we evolve and solely rely on doesn't make his private water argument very surprising.

[Anonymous No.4412577]

yeah no shit, if they manage to get their hands on water and sell it(ironically they alrady do that but in a different context) than they would make a shitton of money.
3 days max without water and you die, on the other hand you need several weeks to die from starvation.

but yeah, the are never gonna do that.
why would anyone ever be willing to pay for normal tapwater?

[Anonymous No.4412591]

already tried that shit in some 2/3Rd world countries, the people/government thought it was a good idea till the corporate's starter changing a shit ton for water. in the end the people rose up and killed them/kicked them out

[Anonymous No.4412597]

>>4412591
yeah i highly doubt that this would be do able.
it's just way too important for everyone.

[Anonymous No.4412658]

>>4408162
but muh equality to give birth to x amount of children and then complain about not enough government subsidiaries

[Anonymous No.4412707]

Because that worked out so fucking well in Bolivia.

[Anonymous No.4412886]

>>4409809
STEEL RAIN

[Anonymous No.4412935]

>>4408162
>It'd be like living during the Western expansion except without the hardship. In 1810, there were less than 1,500 people living in (randomly chosen) Arkansas. By the 1900s, there were over a million.

You know to be fair, you are on to something.

Animals go buttfuck crazy when shoved into close quarters with others of their species. Locusts, chimps, rats, and people.

It's the NIMH Effect. Order breaks down, and people go insane.