/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.4107954]

When will the American palate recover from prohibition and the Great Depression?

[Anonymous No.4107969]

>>4107954
Fucking yuropoor jelly that we've overtaken you in wine as well as beer.

[Anonymous No.4107970]

>>4107954
fucking yuropoor jelly that we've overtaken you in wine as well as beer

[Anonymous No.4107976]

Bombastic is rather subjective

[Anonymous No.4107978]

>>4107969
> an american wine was rated higher than a french wine once, 30 years ago

This is the equivalent of a third world country putting their one nice building on a post card.

Europe survived phylloxera. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps, as your politicians would say.

[Anonymous No.4108000]

Northern californian here. I go to Napa every week or so. I buy my regular wine from Trader Joe's and its always less than $10 and I've never seen 15% alcohol content. Where is this coming from?

And your bro-science doesn't hold true. Fermenting bacteria die when alcohol concentration reaches the critical 14%. Any variation is due to blending.

[Anonymous No.4108001]

The American wine you speak of is hardly representative of America. It's for the try-hard yuppies that can be found in America, but is only bought by them. Normal people and smart people buy cheaper wine that they personally enjoy.

[Anonymous No.4108012]

I don't know how American wine is "bombastic". The cheap small brands have idiotic labelling/names to distinguish themselves from the massive variation of wine on the market, but that doesn't apply to every single American wine.

[Anonymous No.4108027]

>>4107954
So that's why California wine wins so many awards. French prefer it under blind taste tests and it pisses them off.

[Anonymous No.4108036]

>>4108000

Trips confirm this post as truth. Thread over.

[Anonymous No.4108041]

>>4107954
American is better at everything. Period.

[Anonymous No.4108050]

>>4107954
Let's take a look at the top ten wines for 2012
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Shafer Vineyards
Relentless Napa Valley 2008

96 points / $60
3,300 cases made
Napa Valley, California
Château de St.-Cosme
Gigondas 2010

95 points / $41
3,330 cases made
Rhône Valley, France
Two Hands
Shiraz Barossa Valley Bella’s Garden 2010

95 points / $69
4,000 cases made
Barossa Valley, Australia
Clos des Papes
Châteauneuf-du-Pape 2010

98 points / $128
5,600 cases made
Rhône Valley, France
Château Guiraud
Sauternes 2009

96 points / $60
11,000 cases made
Bordeaux, France
Château Léoville Barton
St.-Julien 2009

95 points / $105
21,000 cases made
Bordeaux, France
Shea
Pinot Noir Willamette Valley Shea Vineyard Estate 2009

94 points / $40
3,555 cases made
Willamette Valley, Oregon
Beringer
Cabernet Sauvignon Knights Valley Reserve 2009

94 points / $45
3,602 cases made
Sonoma County, California
Ciacci Piccolomini d’Aragona
Brunello di Montalcino 2007

94 points / $60
3,750 cases made
Tuscany, Italy
Achával-Ferrer
Malbec Mendoza Finca Bella Vista 2010

95 points / $120
1,250 cases imported
Mendoza, Argentina


well would you look at that, looks like everyone makes good wine.

[Anonymous No.4108060]

>>4108050
>Napa Valley, California
>Château de St.-Cosme
>Gigondas 2010

[Anonymous No.4108076]

>>4108050
Jews did this. No German wine in it.

Well m8s, don't be faggots. Every country has shit and good wine.

[Anonymous No.4108081]

>>4108076
German wine sucks

[Anonymous No.4108082]

>>4108076
I agree, notice how many fine french wines come from the Rhône?

Germany is never concidered, but I love their wines.

I like Spanish reds or an Australian Shiraz, and the best pinot grigio I ever had was Canadian.

I don't give two shits about where the wine is from really, but it's taste. People get to caught up in wine culture and what they should like, instead of tasting and choosing what they like.

>>4108081

again, notice the Rhône valley?
That's historically German land.

[Anonymous No.4108086]

I have never had wine that exceeded 13%.

[Anonymous No.4108099]

>>4107954

15% Alcohol for wine? wut.
OP, America, has a lot more problems concerning alcohol than wine of all things.

Speaking of Prohibition however, would OP care to make a comparison of European Malt Liquor to American Malt Liquor. Im not trying to say one is better than the other, but are the stories true? Do you guys really have 2 litre bottles of Malt Liquor in Soda bottles on your store shelves??

[Anonymous No.4108105]

From my POV there's lots of truisms in OP's pic (ok, maybe I just didn't get the really good ones yet, I give you that) , Parker is so overrated it's not funny anymore and I have yet to find an american/california wine that really impressed. Everything I get is nicely crafted and decent to good quality. But great? Nope, they are all way too streamlined for that.

[Anonymous No.4108123]

>>4108099
It's not uncommon in Europe either, but usually for dessert wines. It's all about the type of yeast you use for fermentation. Some types of yeast die out at 12-13%?, but others can stand up to 18-19%, and it's up to you to decide what you want from your wine.

[Anonymous No.4108148]

>>4108099
I've seen 52 ounce plastic bottles of 9% Russian malt liquor for 3 dollars, and I live in the US.

[Anonymous No.4108170]

>>4108148
yeah I've seen those too, but those are pretty common even for aluminum and glass bottles. Im talking like a Big ass 2litre Coca Cola sized plastic bottled filled with Malt-liquor

[Anonymous No.4108181]

>>4107954

I'm sorry OP, you will have to forgive America for having drinkable water so it doesn't need to only consume alcohol.

[Anonymous No.4108187]

>>4108181
>Forgive America for having drinkable water
>America for having drinkable water
>America having drinkable water

Flouride.

[Anonymous No.4108194]

>>4108187
>inb4 jokes about British teeth.

[Anonymous No.4108198]

>>4108194
>Inb4 Im an american too.

[Anonymous No.4108199]

>>4107969
>>4107970
>heineken
>european beer

>budweiser
>american beer

sorry guys, I have some bad news for you
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[Anonymous No.4108200]

>>4108199
Heineken and Budweiser.

Both are shitty beer, whats your point?

[Anonymous No.4108204]

>>4108199
It's brasilian beer now?

Both are shit btw.

[Anonymous No.4108210]

>>4108194

[Anonymous No.4108214]

>Not drinking Georgian Wine
It's pretty obscure, you probably never tasted it.
Too refined for your palate.

[Anonymous No.4108218]

>>4108194
Uh, Nice try, but Im from California. Lol. the brits can have their shitty teeth, the only reason yours are white, is because of the Flouride in your water, dumbass. Enjoy drinking your chemicals

Pic Very Related.

[Anonymous No.4108220]

>>4108214
> mfw a georgian tried to trick me into drinking that stuff

If I wanted cheap sweet wine, I'd get something where there is adequate regulation and minimum safety standards.

[Anonymous No.4108223]

>>4108218
>Enjoy drinking you chemicals

You too moron, water is made of "chemicals."

[Anonymous No.4108226]

>>4108218
you're actually drinking H2O? enjoy drinking your chemicals

oh and the reason my teeth are white is because I brush them, there was a british woman that used to come in where I worked, her mouth smelled like rotting meat and her gums were always all dark and bloody.

[Anonymous No.4108235]

>>4108226

Lol implying the "Active ingredient" in your toothpaste isnt Flouride as well.

Also, since when is flouride, H20?

[Anonymous No.4108237]

>>4108218
But I don't drink tap water.

[Anonymous No.4108239]

>>4108235
well I used baking soda in place of commercial tooth paste, always have. I get compliments about how white my teeth are all the time

[Anonymous No.4108240]

>>4108237
Most of America does, tap water isnt healthily drinkable, nor is bottled water because of BPA, and the fact that most bottled water is tap water.

[Anonymous No.4108241]

>mfw people think there are only a few good wines and it has nothing to do with the pairings

Of course there is the bottom of the barrel, but every country has that kind of beer/wine/glug

Also bmore representing, we have the best beer selections

[Anonymous No.4108243]

>>4108239
Thats great, baking soda will definitely do the trick, kudos to you sir.

[Anonymous No.4108244]

>>4107954
Are you serious about the alcohol content?
Im from northen europe and when I buy European wines, mostly from Spain and Italy they often have 13.5% - 14.5% alcohol per volume.

When it goes below 12% they are usually very cheap and tastes bad or is watery.

[Anonymous No.4108246]

>>4108243
make sure it is finely ground though, too much baking soda and TOOMUCH fluoride can scar and soften your teeth. well water contains a touch of natural fluoride and is great for teeth.
but yeah baking soda, natural rock stuff to keep your mouth clean

[Anonymous No.4108248]

>>4108000
There is no bacteria used for fermenting wine. Yeast is used and yeast are a single celled fungi, that is eukaryota and not prokaryota.

Also, different yeast can survive in different environments. Some die when it's below 14% and some can survive all the wa up to 18 - 19% alcohol per volume.

[Anonymous No.4108272]

>>4108248

Excuse me, but I think I should know better than you, some guy on the internet. I live in Northern California and I go to Napa every week.

[Anonymous No.4108279]

>>4108272
I'm just hoping no one bites on a troll this obvious.

[Anonymous No.4108291]

>>4108272
What do you know about biology and biochemistry?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria
>Bacteria
>> Prokaryote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prokaryote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eukaryote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeast
>Yeast
>Domain: Eukaryota
>Kingdom: Fungi

>Uses
>Wine
Main article: Yeast in winemaking
Yeast is used in winemaking, where it converts the sugars present in grape juice (must) into ethanol. Yeast is normally already present on grape skins. Fermentation can be done with this endogenous "wild yeast,"[45] but this procedure gives unpredictable results, which depend upon the exact types of yeast species present. For this reason, a pure yeast culture is usually added to the must; this yeast quickly dominates the fermentation. The wild yeasts are repressed, which ensures a reliable and predictable fermentation.[46]

I'm so mad I don't know what to say, if you're not trolling I'll probably go on a killing spree out of pure frustration.

[Anonymous No.4108293]

about 20 years ago

[Anonymous No.4108300]

>>4107954
Its almost 2013, wine is antiquated, this is the age of beer

[Anonymous No.4108313]

>>4108300
wasnt beer made first?

[Anonymous No.4108348]

Damn the other day i went to a restaurant and the had a Chilean Wine

I thought it would be shit but it was actually preety good.

It seems that everybody can make good wine except murrica

[Anonymous No.4108349]

>>4108313
But it's mostly been the same stuff for hundreds of years, no appreciation for it. Now we are getting all these beer makers coming up with all sorts of varieties of good shit.

[Anonymous No.4108350]

>>4108348
See >>4108050

>looks like everyone makes good wine

[Anonymous No.4108362]

>>4108349
wat...

>hundreds of years
made me lol

http://www.dogfish.com/ancientales
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_beer#Early_beers

[Anonymous No.4108368]

>>4108362
Pardon me, thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.4108403]

>>4108082
The Rhône Valley isnt German, that's the Rhine. The Rhône's source is in the Massif Central and runs into the Med.
A better example would have been that Burgundy has been German land historically

[Anonymous No.4108407]

>>4108214
Hurr Durr nobody drinks it, therefore it must be good
>Good logic
>Hipster Fag

[Anonymous No.4108413]

>>4108407
>hurr durr

Can people stop using this in their posts? Even if I agree with the message of the post, it pisses me off to no end.

[Anonymous No.4108425]

>>4108413
what are ya gonna do?
cry?

[Anonymous No.4108441]

>unpretentious
>reflects terroir and cepage

[Anonymous No.4108459]

>>4108441
> mommy he used a word that doesn't sound american!
> im moving to australia where the president is a christian and actually supports what he says

[Anonymous No.4108468]

Do Europeans really spend this much time thinking about America? It's flattering that we're in your thoughts so often; we couldn't care less about you.

[Anonymous No.4108492]

>>4108468
American in Europe here. Fuck our shitty country and you. I'm staying here in the good land.

[Anonymous No.4108501]

>drinking wine
buncha faggots

[None !OPIATE9fy. No.4108511]

>>4108501
wine is good especially if you want something nice to drink in the morning

[Anonymous No.4108523]

wine drinkers have been proven to be less creative than hard alcohol drinkers. Put that grape juice down and back away if you know what's good for you

[Anonymous No.4108524]

>>4108501
Lol, yes pardon everyone who's goal whilst drinking alcohol is to not get fucked up drunk off your mind, good sir.

[Anonymous No.4108531]

>>4108523

Link for proof?

[Anonymous No.4108537]

Stop buying the shit American wine and buy the good American wine and you will stop having to make these shit mad eurofag threads

[Anonymous No.4108554]

>>4108537
>the good American wine

I'm not familiar with this joke, is it from a TV show? I don't own a TV.

[Anonymous No.4108650]

>>4108468
It sure seems like it. We're the most interesting/entertaining country in the world so it makes sense. These threads are made by bored Americans though. Notice all the samefagging? Yes, people really get this bored.

[Anonymous No.4108803]

>>4107954
I'm sensing a butthurt Non-Amerifag....

[Anonymous No.4108808]

Too bad yuropoor beer sucks so much piles of dicks compared to the godlike craftsmanship that is american craft beer.

[Anonymous No.4108809]

OP must hate it every time Americans win international awards for their excellent wine.

Now go back to your hovel and beat your child-wife you ignorant european dirt-farmer.

[Anonymous No.4108810]

>minimum 15% alcohol

It's like the trolls just picked facts out of their asses and slapped it on an image.

[Anonymous No.4109661]

>>4108105
Please define the term "streamlined".

[The REAL Sourdough !!2WuNblfHe6b No.4109689]

>>4108000
You are incorrect sir. I've gotten champagne yeast to deliver 25% ABV in a mead through slow feeding and the addition of nutrient and energizer. And it's not uncommon for champagne and wine to go higher than 14%. Federal regulations specifically prohibits the sale of carbonated beverages with an ABV of higher than 14% (i.e. champagne and sparkling wine.)

[The REAL Sourdough !!2WuNblfHe6b No.4109695]

>>4108041
I wouldn't go that far. We do beer VERY well but there's some styles that the euros do better (Belgians and Scottish wee heavies in particular).

As far as wine goes...it's all good juice gone bad as far as I'm concerned.

[The REAL Sourdough !!2WuNblfHe6b No.4109711]

>>4107954
When will Germany recover from the madness called Reinheitsgebot?

[Anonymous No.4109783]

>>4109711
What is bad about the Reinheitsgebot?

[The REAL Sourdough !!2WuNblfHe6b No.4109799]

>>4109783
Hmm..lets see.
>limit yourself to only 4 ingredients
>exclude yourself from brewing DOZENS of styles.

Hefewisen? Not Reinheitsgebot compliant.
Roggenbier? Not Reinheitsgebot compliant.
Oatmeal Stout? Not Reinheitsgebot compliant.
Lambic? GF beer? Belgians? Trappist? Flemish sours? Not Reinheitsgebot compliant.

Any beer made with anything except barley, water, hops and yeast? Not Reinheitsgebot compliant. So...lagers and a few ales....

The Reinheitsgebot is pants-on-head-retarded. And Germany used to be the beer capitol of the world.....

[Anonymous No.4109820]

>>4109783
its antiquated, and has massively held Germany back on the international beer stage. Its the primary reason Germany has fallen so far behind Belgium and America

[Anonymous No.4109826]

>>4109799
i am suddenly far less excited about my potential oktoberfest trip next year

[Anonymous No.4109841]

>>4109826
I'm sure it will still be fun, but don't expect a wide variety of great beers, just a bunch of very similar pretty good beers

[The REAL Sourdough !!2WuNblfHe6b No.4109844]

>>4109826
>>4109841
I will give the Germans this. They make a damn fine Lager.

[Anonymous No.4109845]

>>4109799
>breakfast stout will never be Reinheitsgebot compliant

If it weren't for your silly devotion to antiquated rules you could invented this germany, but now you have been left in the dust

[Anonymous No.4109855]

>>4109826
Don't expect good beer in munich.

[Anonymous No.4109975]

>>4109799
I am in tears. Have you ever tried an ice-cold Flensburger?

[Anonymous No.4110117]

>>4109975

You have to serve it ice-cold because it doesn't taste like anything.

[Anonymous No.4110131]

>>4109845
I'd rather have Spaten than a "breakfast stout", myself.

Not that I'm going to defend the Reinheitsgebot, but their lagers are good.

[Anonymous No.4110132]

>>4109799
i was always kind of proud about the Reinheitsgebot
it ensures quality and makes it impossible to sell over sugared piss
but if you want to have a good variety of god tier beers,visit Belgium.
The new beer capitol of the world.

[Anonymous No.4110147]

>>4109799
>lagers and a few ales
>implying this doesn't include hundreds of beer styles

[The REAL Sourdough !!2WuNblfHe6b No.4110398]

>>4110147
It really doesn't. Not compared to all the styles that are not Reinheitsgebot compliant. every adjunct, every non-yeast fermentor disqualifies it. So a great number of ales are off limits.

What's worse such restriction stymies innovation and leads to stagnation. German beer will have a hard time getting better because breweries cannot try new things and still worship the golden calf that is Reinheitsgebot. Of sure there'll be SOME advancement, but for the most part, it'll be lager, pilsner, and a bit of ale.

>>4110132
>oversugared piss
What the hell does that mean?
>Belgum. The new beer capitol of the world.
Not bloody likely. Belgium also concentrates mostly on a relatively few styles.

>>4109975
>ice cold
What >>4110117 said.

>>4110131
feel free. And yeah, I said that back up in >>4109844 .
But just because YOU prefer a macrobrew lager over a craft Imperial Stout is no reason to unilaterally deny others to choice.

[Anonymous No.4110411]

>>4107978

>once
>implying we didn't beat them several times more after that

Honestly, I think it was a good wakeup call for the French. It's not our fault they got lazy once they figured they were on top of the oenology game.

[Anonymous No.4110441]

>>4109845
> stymies innovation and leads to stagnation

Chicago pizza, parker wines and kobe burgers. Fuck that shit.

[Anonymous No.4110457]

>>4110441

wrong reference but it fits anyway, heh

[Anonymous No.4110517]

>>4110117
That is why nearly every cocktail in the world is served ice-cold or with ice?

[Anonymous No.4110528]

>>4110517

Cocktails are not beer.

[Anonymous No.4110545]

>>4110398
maybe in Europe or some shitty parts of the US and Canada, it's hard to find a diversity of craft brews.

as a homebrewer with access to most of the wealth of american craft beer, i can safely say that you don't need adjuncts to make a huge diversity of beers. yes, prohibiting rye and wheat is overzealous, but you don't need them to make good, better, and unique beers.

i'm not saying the Reinheitsgebot is a good thing. but it set brewing off in the right direction: focus on the four ingredients first before you go off experimenting. without that focus it'd be like trying to learn free modal jazz before you learned a basic sense of melody and swing. there's something to be said for the rudiments and how far they can actually go in the hands of a master.

i guess we can agree to disagree here, but you can't say barley, hops, yeast, and water are limiting when there are hundreds of varieties of each, yielding four times that many combinations thereof.

>>4110517
that's because if it's warm it'll just taste like warm ethanol. beer doesn't have that problem. also plenty of people drink room temperature scotch (i know it's not a cocktail but still).

[Anonymous No.4110571]

>have italian last name that is spelled like a certain wine
>family only drinks that wine'

Fuck.

[Anonymous No.4110574]

>TFW grand rapids, Michigan
>all these breweries opening up

Feels fucking GOOD man.

[Anonymous No.4110644]

we invented flouride
we claimed naturally occurring water is on the same level as distilled water and petrol derivatives

glorious thread, /ck/

[The REAL Sourdough !!2WuNblfHe6b No.4110991]

>>4110545
Actually there's only a couple of varieties of barley. There are however a couple of dozen ways to malt it.

It's still VERY limiting.

[DeathToTheProles !!Ua0I6Aig7ST No.4111005]

>>4110991
Not really.

Barley varieties are numerous, as are wheat varieties.

Hop varieties are giant as well.

Yeast is another. Most American beers use very neutral yeast, when there are hundreds of strains.

These in combination might be restricting, but certainly not boring. Limiting perhaps, but again. there are s many flavors you can get with the main ingredients without using extra sugar, coffee beans ( biggest joke ever), chocolate ( again, stop doing this brewers) or some kind of fruit. Fucking fruit beers are the worst.

[The REAL Sourdough !!2WuNblfHe6b No.4111379]

>>4111005
Hmm...last I heard there was basically 2 row and 65 row barley. all other "types" of malted barley are just different typos and intensities of malting process.

BMC beers use a very neutral yeast, but most micro and craft breweries use specialty yeasts specifically FOR the flavors they impart, or the ABV the produce, or any number of other factors that are specific to specialty yeasts.

Hops are all over the damned place, agreed. I note that the overspecialization and over breeding of the noble hops traditionally used in Germany has led to a blight on those and many other similar hops. Again, we see that the freedom to experiment has led to improvements in beer making as the newer breeds being grown in America and elsewhere are heartier and healthier.

[Anonymous No.4112539]

>>4110571

Sucks if your last name is Rossi