They convinced BILLIONS that this is food. How?

[Anonymous No.19646517]

Literally every grain/cereal crop that exists is utter shit and not fit for human consumption. It has always been slave/peasant food since agricultural society has existed. The royal classes in basically every European society got meat and mead/wine and the peasants got bread and beer. In Medieval times, hard wheat flatbread would be used as plates and then thrown to the dogs or beggars after a meal, the idea of eating it would be absurd. It's completely empty calories and it's literally not edible without adding moisture back into it, or grinding it up.

This is why they shill it so hard, muh food pyramid, muh cereal is good for you (even though it's legally mandated to have vitamins and minerals added in many places and is inedible without milk), muh whole grains. It's ALL garbage. The human race has been subjected to literally 5000+ years of Babylonian grain brain agriculture propaganda and sadly I don't see this improving anytime soon.

Stop eating grains. If you want a good cheap healthy staple crop that is easy to grow, process and prepare, that's what potatoes are for.

[Anonymous No.19646526]

>>19646517
Nah grains are a life hack as long as you avoid whole grains where all the antinutrients are

[Anonymous No.19646604]

>>19646517
no they are fit for human consumption
>source: humans consume them

[Anonymous No.19646635]

can't argue with that logic

[Anonymous No.19646646]

Kings ate white bread while the peasants ate healthier but less pleasant whole wheat bread or oatmeal

Btw please tell me why a simple starch like potatoes are sooo much better than any grain

[Anonymous No.19646654]

Nah people in medieval times ate their trenchers. It was just a ritzy nobility thing to only eat the food on top.

[Anonymous No.19646663]

Absurd! Bread is delicious and quite the wonderful item to consume. You are a fool.

[Anonymous No.19646701]

>>19646517
Hi /fit/

[Anonymous No.19646716]

>>19646517
didn't ask

[Anonymous No.19646723]

>>19646517
>The royal classes in basically every European society got meat and mead/wine
Also the royal classes....

[Anonymous No.19646919]

>>19646723
Still lives longer than an African 400+ years later kek

[Anonymous No.19646931]

>>19646517
I don't like being told what to do so I'm going to do the opposite of what you're saying and eat even more bread, take that

[Anonymous No.19646935]

>>19646526
>Nah grains are a life hack as long as you avoid whole grains where all the antinutrients are
Why does everyone who has ever said this for years and years on end always completely ignore the extremely inconvenient information that allegedly supposedly normal cooking temperatures pretty much do away with the anti-nutrients in grains and beans? I'm not a doctor or nutritionist though so don't take anything I say as advice. Dr Greger from nutrition facts talks a lot about these things in several videos.>>19646635

[Anonymous No.19646942]

>>19646517
so youd just have a patty inbetween two lettuce leaves? not very american. next youll be wanting me to eat actual sugar and not corn extract.

[Anonymous No.19646952]

>>19646517
because you don't die imminently after eating it and you won't starve to death if you have to survive on only grain for extended periods of time.
It was always been survival food for when the castle was under siege and the king needed to keep his subjects alive for 3 years of attrition

[Anonymous No.19646962]

>>19646517
even assuming what you say is true
1. how are you going to convince 8 billion people to believe you?
2. how are you going to feed 8 billion people on potatoes or whatever it is that you think they should eat? grains can be kept for YEARS. how long are your potatoes going to keep?
now to your question:
>They convinced BILLIONS that this is food. How?
because people prefer life to death.

[Anonymous No.19647450]

>>19646517
>not fit for human consumption
Why would something not fit for human consumption smell so good after it comes out of the oven? Checkmate, idiot.

[Anonymous No.19647454]

>>19646517
Grains are fine and have been since the invention agriculture. There's no problem.

[Anonymous No.19647456]

>>19647450
/thread

[Anonymous No.19647496]

>>19646517
>omg look at all these scientist, athletes, inventors and sucesfull people striving on carbs and grains
>damn, if only they would listen to 4chinz armchair loser shizos about optimal diet for humans lmao

[Anonymous No.19647553]

>>19646517
Honestly rice is a worse grain

[Anonymous No.19647687]

>>19647454
>since the invention of agriculture
There's the problem.

[Anonymous No.19647713]

>everyone is retarded but me
Indeed OP, indeed

[Anonymous No.19647718]

>>19646517
It's been food for thousands of years. Sure now it's worse because they strip nutrients from the grain out of it, but it's not like if we all stopped we'd all start living to 200 because of all of the poisonous bread we've been eating

[I have gum cutters and you don't. No.19647722]

[Anonymous No.19647729]

>>19647687
its been a long time retard

[Anonymous No.19647784]

>>19646935
Wga doesnt break down with heat. Just because you dont know what lectins and what antinutrients are, doesnt mean its not true.

[Anonymous No.19647806]

>>19647718
>Sure now it's better because they strip antinutrients from the grain out of it
ftfy chud

[Anonymous No.19648039]

>>19647553
Why?

[Anonymous No.19648049]

>>19647806
why can't we make varieties of grains that have no antinutrients and more nutrients?

[Anonymous No.19648059]

>>19648049
because we make ones that give 10x better yields instead

[Anonymous No.19648073]

>>19646517
>How?
The alternative was starvation.

[Anonymous No.19648075]

>>19648059
it's not possible to do both? or do growing methods have to improve to increase the yield of the more nutritious varieties?

[Anonymous No.19648094]

>>19648075
its possible but one is already hard enough and its harder to sell nutrients as well

[Anonymous No.19648098]

>>19646935
>cooking breaks down the solvents in the seed oil goy
Mmmk

[Anonymous No.19648101]

>>19648094
i see. i guess population growth is still a concern too. but it would be cool to see all crops eventually become more nutritious and flavorful.

[Anonymous No.19648102]

>>19648075
Growing plant food without plant protein does sound impossible. Most antinutrients are plant proteins, like lectins

[Anonymous No.19648138]

>I'm a fat sack of shit who nothing but processed slop, therefore grains are bad!!
Why are ketofaggots so retarded?

[Anonymous No.19648143]

>>19648138
Really just whole grains are bad bleached grains are the same society driving force they always have been

[Anonymous No.19648181]

>>19646931
Supremely based

[Anonymous No.19649414]

>>19646517
Shill thread.

[Anonymous No.19649432]

>>19646517
white bread was for rich people.
>they
go back to pol

[Anonymous No.19649454]

>>19646517
3 phases of russian propaganda
phase 1 seeding:
russian accounts on twitter, and other platforms post made up stories of whatever.

Phase 2 harvesting:
russian news/propaganda sites point to the planted accounts as sources legitimizing the fake news.

Phase 3 amplification:
russians then spread the story through bots on twitter, idiots on twitter, and western news outlets pick up the story don't investigate it, and amplify the story. this includes idiots on 4chan that repost the story because it fits their narrative.

now the story is very difficult to debunk because there are so many sources. congratulations you're a russian propaganda puppet.

[Anonymous No.19649466]

>>19646517
>The royals all fucked their cousins... but the serfs just hit the gal from down the lane? what gives my mates, what do they know about inbreeding that we're missing?
eat your bread, dear. it's almost bed time.

[Uvo11 No.19649480]

>>19646517
Ok so neither milk nor bread is food. What is food according to you?

[Uvo11 No.19649486]

>>19648039
Nta but I don't eat rice because it spikes my blood glucose. I'm on the edge of prediabetes though, hence why I wear a glucose monitor

[Anonymous No.19649490]

>>19648049
because GMO foods are the devil

[Anonymous No.19649582]

>>19649454
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.19649985]

>>19649480
>what is food according to you?
If you think that me excluding bread and dairy from being food is excluding all food you probably eat a lot of those, you probably eat like shit.

[Uvo11 No.19650914]

>>19649985
Post meals, bmi, blood lipids, blood pressure, lifts, run times. I mog you in literally everything.

[Anonymous No.19650917]

>>19650914
Do you not realize how much of a fucking fed you sound like right now?

[Anonymous No.19650918]

>>19650917
It’s okay I mog him undoubtedly because I have sex

[Uvo11 No.19650937]

>>19650917
Fat fingers typed this post

[Anonymous No.19650944]

>>19647553
The farming methods are susceptible to central control of irrigation water so rice civs become submissive cucks ruled by an authoritarian god-king
Also see: ancient Egypt

[Uvo11 No.19650987]

>>19647722
What's a gum cutter?

Your graphic doesn't make sense. Before I say why, I have never eaten a ketogenic diet. The keotgenic diet is one of the four diets promoted by the american diabetes association for the treatment of diabetes. Your doctor agrees with the alpha Twitter guy. The worsening of t2d on a ketogenic diet is am extremely unusual clinical outcome, and is sort of implausible unless the patient was gaining massive amounts of weight or made some other disastrous lifestyle change at the same time.

[Anonymous No.19651008]

I still eat bread but keep it to a minimum ftmp. I don't eat other standard staples (rice/pasta/potatoes/etc) at all anymore and haven't for ages unless I'm eating in a restaurant or at friends/family's place
I cut up and freeze a baguette into small rolls and take one out to have with a meat and veg meal

[Anonymous No.19651044]

Look how no one touches the post about wga, its radioactive lmao

[Anonymous No.19651053]

>>19646517
god i am so tired of dumbass keto retards

[Anonymous No.19651932]

Bread was good for Roman soldiers, so it's good for me. The local baker makes oats bread which is fucking great. A lot of supermarket bread sucks tho

[Anonymous No.19651939]

>>19650987
>american
Which means its promoted by jews

[Anonymous No.19653660]

>>19647450
This.
Caveman brain know good food smell make hungry.

[Anonymous No.19653857]

>>19647450
>he thinks it's the grains that smell good

[Anonymous No.19653863]

>>19649480
Other living creatures
Yes, all of them

[Anonymous No.19653887]

>>19646517
Nobility never created or built anything in human history

[Anonymous No.19653895]

Funny how Chad doesn't worry about any of this bullshit and just eats his bread,l and is fine, but for Chantards it's such a big deal

[Anonymous No.19653991]

>>19646517
The nobels would have rich white bread with their meats and of course all sorts of pastry (made from dough obviously ) for dessert. Lots of meat was for the upper classes but don't pretend nobels were carnivors or ketofags, they could afford more meat in addition to grain based foods, where as peasants had to eat mostly cheap cereals and limited meat they could afford.

[Anonymous No.19654086]

>>19653991
Nah. Read some history. They didnt eat bread, they used bread as a plate so the meat juice doesnt go to waste. They never ate a slice of bread with butter.

[Uvo11 No.19654534]

>>19654086
Why tf would I care? They were 5 feet tall, fetal alcohol syndrome retards who died at 45 from a lifetime of disease.

If you offered me the chance to go back in time and be a medieval noble I would turn it down.

[Anonymous No.19654933]

>>19646526
>antinutrients
>>19647784
>lectins and what antinutrients
really, nigger? you're gonna believe that shit? made up by some niggerlicious doctor trying to push meme pills to "detoxify" your body or whatever bullshit? so-called antinutrients aren't really real, because we fucking cook, for example, beans, before we fucking eat them. wow, what a concept. stop parroting this bullshit you read in some shitty article on the first page of search results.

[Anonymous No.19655099]

>>19654933
Go on, tell me how lectins, that were discovered in the 1888 are not real, then continue by explaining how wga gets broken down via cooking.
I am waiting for your peer reviewed explanation on both of them, in the name of science of course.

[Anonymous No.19655305]

>>19647722
not sure why I'm bothering to reply to you, but anyway...
its the opposite for me. I was diagnosed prediabetic and then I went keto, then I went carnivore, and now my a1c, fasting glucose, and all my lipids are in perfect order, and I'm 90 lbs lighter.

[Anonymous No.19655369]

>>19649454
Why do the Russians want me to hate grains? Dont they massively export the stuff.

[Anonymous No.19655377]

>>19646517
Do you have any human outcome data that shows eating whole grains has negative health outcomes? Because all this stupid "antinooootrients" just seems like retarded mechanistic speculation garbage.

[Anonymous No.19655524]

>be stone age monkey
>nothing to do but try to survive
>literally starving half the time
>food options are unseasoned meat
>and wet, warm grain slop
>maybe bland fruit/vegetable if lucky
>one day
>retard cousin-uncle leave grain slop out too long
>oh fug
>now definitely starve
>but wait
>idea
>what if cook slop like animal to remove evil poison spirits
>make new food
>long shelf life
>high calories
>ingredients always ready
>more reason to organize farming
>can now travel and trade more easily
>expand and thrive
>7000 years later
>descendant calls my idea shit
i should have just starved to death

[Anonymous No.19656100]

>>19655524
I figured it was more like

>be retarded ape monkey man
>neighbor invents fire
>fire makes shit change when you throw stuff into it, like turning wood into ash and neighbor's wife into dead
>throw literally everything into it to see what happens
>hey what the fuck, that wad of grain slop and water turned solid and tastes decent now

[Anonymous No.19656126]

>eat samiches almost every day for 28 years
>always have a pantry stuffed with various bread types
>very particular about matching breads to meats to sauces etc
>lunch is always a sandwich with pickle and chips
>turn 29
>bread starts making me feel tired, dont realize its the bread
>turn 30
>start getting heart palpitations when I eat bread of any kind
>turn 31
>get hives and shit blood when I eat bread
>have extreme gluten allergy randomly pop up after years
rice and potatos just isnt the same thinking of killing myself. gluten free shit is absolute garbage.

[Anonymous No.19656182]

>>19656100
there's some prep work involved, intentional or not.
most of our inventive breakthroughs are because something went sideways and someone said, "fuck it, let's do something with it and see what happens."

[Anonymous No.19656521]

>>19646517
Alexander the Great conquered Asia Minor with troops that ate nothing but wheat and barley. Carbs are magic.

[Anonymous No.19656531]

>>19656126
forgot to say
>go on internet and lie.

[Anonymous No.19656536]

>>19656531
why would I lie about a gluten allergy faggot.

[Anonymous No.19656545]

im tired

[Anonymous No.19656549]

>>19656545
Cry about it

[Anonymous No.19656564]

>>19646517

[Uvo11 No.19656566]

>>19656545

[Anonymous No.19656605]

>tastes good
it's food
simpul as

[Anonymous No.19656736]

>>19649454
What the hell is this schizo shit nobody mentioned your media boogeyman

[Anonymous No.19656970]

>And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

>Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

>In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

OP wasn't wrong, wheat is a punishment for disobedience. It became a blessing later though. You can relax we evolved to eat it. Sourdough is incredibly healthy for you. Try that more often. Your tummy will thank you.

[Anonymous No.19657211]

>>19656126
you were eating cured meats on the sandwiches eh? those are known to cause autoimmune conditions.

[Anonymous No.19657214]

>>19656126
i accidentally avoid gluten for months at a time. it's really not difficult, unless you're so boring you were already in a state of prolonged hospice instead of living.

[Anonymous No.19657319]

>>19654933
Im still waiting
>>19656536
Proper yeasted and sourdough bread has practically no gluten. You were eating a wonder bread analog werent you

[Anonymous No.19657360]

I just wish grocery stores were required by law to make standardized whole wheat sourdough consisting of wheat, whater, yeast, salt, and 0 other ingredients. No preservatives. No FUCKING added sugar.

[Anonymous No.19657364]

>>19657319
>Proper yeasted and sourdough bread has practically no gluten.
That's not true at all. It breaks down a bit, and is easier to digest. That can help people who have a sensitivity or intolerance. If you have an actual allergy then even a tiny amount can cause a severe reaction.

[Anonymous No.19657465]

>>19657364
>That's not true at all
It is true. Practically none doesnt mean zero. It means for a normal human its no issue at all. Try making a 48h cold fermented sourdough bread with quality white flour and try it.

[Anonymous No.19657665]

>>19657319
sourdough was one of my favorites, id bake it or get it from my local bakery. i was a bread snob. sourdough includes plenty of gluten.
>>19657211
yes, but I have no issues beyond the allergy. almost never get sick and my bloodwork looks great, sans the allergy.
>>19657214
I just like breads. your "point" is gay.
>>19657360
most chain made bread tastes like shit and is shit yes.

[Anonymous No.19658801]

>>19647784
WGA is a lectin, which is a protein, and it breaks down with heat like all proteins.
Pseud

[Anonymous No.19659217]

>>19657465
I read that gluten in sourdough can be reduced by up to 97%. That's really interesting. The protein in milk doesn't disappear like that when it's fermented into yogurt. I apologize for being mistaken about that.

But that's still enough to cause a problem for someone with a true allergy. If you have Celiac disease even small amounts of cross contamination can cause a reaction.

[Anonymous No.19659793]

>>19646517
>slave/peasant food
You are a slave/peasant faggot
You post on 4chan dalit hijira bloody sir

[Anonymous No.19659800]

OP is right. Stuff like corn, wheat, and oats are all cereals.
Prove us wrong. You can't.

[Anonymous No.19659805]

>>19646517
it IS food. its calories.

[Anonymous No.19659810]

I wonder if it is possible to make bread with psyllium husks. Would that make it more filling, or would the baking process destroy the properties of psyllium that cause it to bulk up?

[Anonymous No.19659816]

>>19653863
EAT ZE BUGS! EAT ZE WURMS! DEY WIGGLE INSIDE YOU!

[Anonymous No.19659858]

>>19646517
If you stop eating grains you'll be weaker and experience brain fog. The invention of grain agriculture was the single event that kickstarted civilization itself because it allows humans to think better and work harder. Cereals are OP as fuck for human fuel. True the royal classes didn't need to eat bread but that's because they didn't do anything. They're frail, mentally retarded and unproductive. It's impossible to be any type of worker, artisan, craftsman, merchant, explorer, or soldier without consuming grains.

Is it bad for you? Of course, but why do you think you're so important that you can just be a leech on the rest of society for the sake of your health? Every ketolard and fruitfag is a walking burden, who contributes nothing, because he has no productive capacity. He has no energy or strength and can't think clearly. He occupies a completely fake position in a bullshit company and creates nothing, and his entire existence is subsidized by the grain-fueled labor of others. You decide what path is really more noble.

[Anonymous No.19659884]

>>19659858
B12 deficiency.

[Anonymous No.19659886]

>>19659858
based dr Greiger enjoyer.

[Anonymous No.19660040]

>>19659858
I cycled 30km eating zero carbs for the past months. How is that possible?

[Anonymous No.19660196]

>>19660040
>30km=18 miles
>months
Is this a joke? I have cycled that far in a single trip. You're proving my point dude, that amount of physical output is absolutely pathetic.

[Anonymous No.19660606]

>>19658801
No it doesnt. You cant pressure cook flour. That would break it down.
>>19659217
Yes, allergic do allergy. Its not an issue for a normal. As for milk, yoghurt is not bad but try week old kefir.

[Anonymous No.19661286]

>>19660196
I meant in a single workout grain brain. More proof you're retarded

[Anonymous No.19661353]

>>19661286
They dont understand. Birds born in a cage believe birds flying outside are insane

[Anonymous No.19661558]

Bread is yummy :3

[Anonymous No.19661795]

>>19660040
there is no way to eat zero carbs