/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.19644837]

Why is the distinction between vegan, vegetarian, and pescatarian so hard for so many people to wrap their heads around?
>oh yeah my girl is a vegetarian but she eats fish
So she's not a vegetarian, she's a pescatarian.
>oh my friend is a vegan but he loves cheese!
So he's a vegetarian, not a vegan.
>no sir I do not eat eggs, I am vegetarian
Vegetarians eat eggs you vegan retard.
It's really not that fucking difficult but boomers and ESLs can't seem to understand it at all, I truly don't understand what the problem is.
Vegans don't eat meat, or anything that comes from an animal; vegetarians don't eat meat; pescatarians will eat fish but no other meat.
Literally so simple that a 12 year old could wrap their minds around it but it confounds so many "people" - why??

[Anonymous No.19644843]

>>19644837
Why don't vegans give a shit about all the pests that are killed in the process of growing your food? I could never care what hypocrites talk about or do. You are not a vegan if you do not delicately transplant all the maggots from your unprotected half squirrel eaten crops to a new and safe home before eating you fucking monsters.

[Anonymous No.19645139]

Last week someone was trying to argue that veganism is a "philosophy" and not a set of dietary restrictions, such that if one could humanely milk a pet, that milk would be vegan-friendly. Some people are dumb.

[Anonymous No.19645148]

>>19644837
nobody gives a fuck about any of your meme diets. you want to kill yourself from malnutrition, knock yourself out.

[Anonymous No.19645172]

>>19645139
most vegans choose to be vegan for moral reasons. yes, it would be correct for consensual animals to produce vegan milk. that is why human breast milk is vegan

[Anonymous No.19645183]

>>19645172
Animals can't give consent, which is why there is no argument surrounding these idea and being vegan just means not consuming any animal products.

[Anonymous No.19645190]

>>19645183
it's more of a "what if" thought experiment
a cow is an animal and can't consent, but if it happened to be sentient and could communicate "yeah milk me baby" then it would be fine
but yeah that's not reality so animal stuff is just no good for vegans by default

[Anonymous No.19645194]

>>19644837
You get lacto, ovo and lacto-ovo vegetarian split as well. Vegetarians that eat dairy or eggs or both.

[Anonymous No.19645195]

>>19645194
>lacto-ovo vegetarian
so...a regular-ass vegetarian?

[Anonymous No.19645196]

>>19645190
>more of a "what if" thought experiment
I understand that, but my point is that "veganism" would mean something different in that world. And yes, the impetus of most vegans going vegan is to reduce animal suffering, in the real world the de facto definition of what makes someone a vegan isn't what they believe, but what they practice.

[Anonymous No.19645214]

>>19645196
>the impetus of most vegans going vegan is to reduce animal suffering
Reduce the suffering of animals they like*, go ahead and mass murder the pests says the vegan. Absolutely more animal souls are lost in the cultivation of crops than any other human activity. Why has the vegan been so mysteriously silent on their worship of death on the grandest scale?

[Anonymous No.19645228]

>>19645214
most people are guilty of that. the modern world can not be sustained if moral vegans had their way. that being said, practical vegans still exist, so i like to keep those two separated. i wonder if there are any official names for people that just eat plants for health reasons

[Anonymous No.19645254]

Have you heard about that new shit ticks transmit?
The thing where you get allergic to meat?
I'd end my life if I was forced to become a vegan.
I'm staying out of the woods from now on

[Anonymous No.19645259]

just don't have some retarded religiously moral diet and eat tasty food lmao

[Anonymous No.19645261]

>>19645228
>yeah but we are still better than meat eaters
Not really lmao, you can't be half moral.

Meh I just feel like autistically pointing out that the vegan doesn't care about animal suffering in reality (or at least I never met one that does) but animals rights. This makes much more sense because there is no cruelty in the collection of a chickens eggs and it is in fact probably beneficial to clean up after them like that and also they would die without our protection, however collecting a chickens eggs being for their greater good is not an argument against their rights and you should never do anything for the greater good because it's fascism. Our treatment of animals is fascism and that is a real argument that can be made and actually seems in line with what vegans actually care about since we also have every right to slaughter pest animals.

[Anonymous No.19645265]

>>19644837
Why is the distinction between faggot, homosexual, and sodomite so hard for so many people to wrap their heads around?

[Anonymous No.19645266]

>>19645254
It just makes you allergic to mammal products. You could still eat fish and poultry.

[Anonymous No.19645281]

>>19645266
>poultry.
Well that would make it a bit easier

[Anonymous No.19645285]

>>19644837
>wats a peepee scat aryan????

[Anonymous No.19645294]

>>19645265
isn't sodomy just butt stuff? don't have to be gay for it
homosexual is just the clinical term for gays/lesbos, opposite of hetero
and a faggot? well, just look in the mirror, anon :)

[Anonymous No.19645323]

>>19645294
Yep. Nailed it.

[Anonymous No.19645340]

>>19645261
>Not really lmao, you can't be half moral.
is it a moral stance for me to avoid smoking cigarettes because i want no part in the consequences?

[Anonymous No.19645367]

>>19645294
>>19645323
Nice samefag

[Anonymous No.19645394]

>>19644837
Why would you represent the 3 using a diagram like this? Vegans are a subset of vegetarians which are a subset of pescatarians. Just draw 3 concentric circles instead of this Venn diagram BS.

[Anonymous No.19645396]

>>19645367

[Anonymous No.19645456]

>>19644837
Because no one actually cares about your rainbow faggotry shit

[Anonymous No.19645462]

>>19645172
Vegans are the most abhorrently immoral people you'll ever come across however.

[Anonymous No.19645477]

>>19645394
It's probably meant as a way to show the three groups as "separate but equal" or some other bullshit. If they did it logically it would make it look like a spectrum, whereas most of those people probably don't view themselves on a spectrum but are just adopting a specific diet for whatever personal reasons, and not part way to transitioning to full veganism. But yeah, it's pretty retarded, especially the way fish is kind of just tacked on to pescatarians.

[Anonymous No.19645479]

>>19645190
>could communicate "yeah milk me baby" then it would be fine
>but yeah that's not reality
They literally get sick if you don't milk them you ignorant urban redneck, that's as clear of a signal as can be given

[Anonymous No.19645490]

>>19645479
You're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.19645498]

>>19644837

>Pulses

What the hell does that even mean?

[Anonymous No.19645518]

>>19645265
>Faggot
a personality type, a way of thinking: the male analogy to a bitch, uses snarky humor and passive aggressiveness to get their way. Devoid or loyalty, conviction or virtue, acts like the whole world is wrong and not them
>Homosexual
Someone who is only attracted to the same sex
>Sodomite
citizen of an ancient desert city that got fuckin murked by the god of the Desert Tales saga

knowing the difference could save your life

[Anonymous No.19645524]

>>19645462
why

[Anonymous No.19645541]

>>19645498
Beans and legumes. I don't know why they added that if they already said beans and legumes.

[Anonymous No.19645931]

>>19644843
OP's post wasn't even about that, you couldn't seethe harder if you tried.

[Anonymous No.19645946]

>>19644843
a lot do care about the endangered bugs

[Anonymous No.19645952]

>>19645479
they need milked because we put them into a situation where they need to be milked, dipass

[Anonymous No.19645955]

>>19645931
It literally was though. The only difference between those meme diets is the deliberate ignorance of their adherents, the degree of moral preening enabled by that ignorance, and the mean-time-before-death caused by malnutrition.

[Anonymous No.19645965]

>>19645952
>xe believes the farmers are raping their cows
>xe believes that human semen can successfully impregnate cows
the critical part of microdosing lsd is the "micro" part anon.

[Anonymous No.19646003]

>>19645965
I don't give a shit about cows or vegetarians but I'm not retarded enough to attempt to strawman my way through life

[Uvo11 No.19646004]

>>19645190
>>19645183
If your point that you could never do anything to another creature that it didn't consent to?
My dog can't consent to vet visits. Should I let him die? Babies can't consent to having their teeth brushed-- should we let then develop gum disease?

Its so unbelievably retarded. Everyone does shit every day that no one consented to. Not everything needs a stamped permission slip-- you already behave as if this is true.

[Anonymous No.19646021]

>>19646003
>I'm not retarded
You're retarded enough to believe that cows can't get pregnant without human intervention, so yeah, I'd say you're pretty fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.19646031]

>>19646004
Firstly, I would never own a pet, pet ownership is slavery and pet enslavers should be put away in prison for life.
And secondly, I have never forced my children to brush their teeth, because I will never have children - humans are an unmitigated catastrophe for the environment and I will not contribute to its destruction.

[Anonymous No.19646038]

>>19646021
cows don't lactate for the rest of their lives when they get pregnant, shit for brains.

[Anonymous No.19646059]

>>19646038
They can if they want to, retard.

[Anonymous No.19646089]

>>19646004
I'm not a vegan, and never have been. I'm just explaining their rationale, not defending it. But you're still misunderstanding. There's no exploitation taking place when a parent takes care of it's child; none of this applies to humans at all. Vegans have different views on pets, but if they're going to have one it's basically like, "well, this thing already exists and is suffering, so it would be better off if I adopted it and gave it a better life." They would never get a dog from a breeder, for example. That's kind of the entire point: they would rather the animals never existed in the first place than live a life being used for the benefit of humans. Which is why the, "duh cows r begging 2b milkked!" fag is a moron. They don't avoid drinking milk because the act of drinking it somehow hurts the cow it came from. They don't drink it because they don't want to have any part in supporting the industry that raises cows just to spend their lives begging to be milked.

[Anonymous No.19646106]

people are dumb.

next thread.

[Anonymous No.19646112]

pescatarian, while less annoying, are the most retarded

[Anonymous No.19646190]

>>19646112
>implying parasitic worms aren't delicious and nutritious

[Anonymous No.19647274]

>>19644843
There's nothing that can be done about it because of the state of the world we live in. It's not about achieving perfection, it's about doing the best that I can. For example I can't stop my immune system from killing all the viruses and bacteria, but if I did stop my immune system I would probably die from infections. So when a bunch of giant machines Harvest a field of fruits and vegetables and a bunch of bugs get killed, there's nothing I can really do about it. Also if any pests infest my home like cockroaches or spiders or mosquitoes, I don't hesitate to eliminate them from my home so that I don't have to deal with an infestation that ruins the hygiene of my home and attacks my food supply. This is just common sense, but you're obsessed with trying to find a way to make vegans appear hypocritical despite them doing a better job at doing less harm compared to most other diets. Of course there are a lot of unreasonable vegans that just run around rating steak restaurants and screaming at people thinking that they will change minds, which is the equivalent of what the other people are doing that are running around trying to make vegan seem stupid. I mean if you think about it someone eating the standard American diet is going to eat fruits and vegetables and Meat and Fish and eggs and all the other usual things. Your eating multiple animals and all the bugs in the field are still getting killed for the lettuce on your burger. So vegans are technically doing a slightly better job at avoiding destruction and damage channels. Is it perfect? No absolutely not, nothing on this hell world called Earth is perfect. I'm just doing my best to do the best that I can be and cause the least amount of suffering possible. Especially considering that I am suffering, and I never gave my consent to be here on Earth and I think that the people who choose to have children some of the most idiotic in the least qualified to force someone to exist in this hell.

[Anonymous No.19647286]

>>19645139
>>19645172
No that's insane, I'm a vegan and I would never drink dog milk or cat milk. Now if I had a wife who produced milk naturally all the time despite not being pregnant, which is rare but does exist, and she consented to letting me have some of her milk, that would be one whole entire different complicated discussion. It's also important to note that milk production in legal aged adult women can sometimes be a natural phenomena in a healthy adult woman, but it can sometimes be caused by a health issue such as a prolactinoma which is a tumor in the brain causing overproduction of hormones causing insane breast milk production, but that's not really a good thing in any way and is not safe. Also even if I had a wife and she consented to sharing her milk with me, I would probably say no because I wouldn't trust to drink something I can't control what went into it such as her diet. If she smokes and drinks and eats garbage, it's definitely going to be a bad idea. Human breast milk as a concept compared to buying milk in the store is an unfeasible and unrealistic idea that has too many human rights issues, and it's just not ever going to be done in a way that's morally or ethically sound.

[Anonymous No.19647291]

>>19647286
what about a battery of female prisoners who volunteer for a shorter sentence in return for providing milk while under a controlled diet?

[Anonymous No.19647396]

>>19647286
As already stated earlier in the thread, what you do with, to, at, on, towards, inside of, or all over another person has zero bearing on veganism. Obviously if you lock up a couple dozen 15 year old girls in your basement and find a way to get them perpetually lactating and waking you up every morning precisely at 10:30 with a cacophony of "moo's" begging to have their swollen breasts relieved by any means necessary...there's probably some moral and ethical issues to consider. But again, that has absolutely nothing to do with veganism, which is about humans exploiting animals. And if a vegan happened to own a rescue dog that for some reason started lactating uncontrollably, yes, they would probably do what they had to to make the dog more comfortable, but that sure as fuck wouldn't mean sucking on their teets, let alone milking them and then just drinking the milk because, "lol, why not?"

[Anonymous No.19647793]

>>19646112
but geeze-uhus sayved da peepull wit a da fishy fish
hyuk
so da fishy wishy is all goodie to da big mayne

[Anonymous No.19647892]

>>19644837
>oh yeah my girl is a vegetarian but she eats fish
I say this about my mum (strictly "she's like a vegetarian but she eats fish"), because while she and I know what a pescatarian is nobody else (except OP) does.

Also, she does it for environmental reasons instead of gay "animal welfare" tardism. I've seen her kill rats and mice before, and once a possum, plus she's happy to touch and cook meat for other people.

[Anonymous No.19647895]

>fish isn't meat
What?

[Anonymous No.19647904]

I don't understand pescatarians. Why is water-meat OK but not earth-meat or air-meat?

[Anonymous No.19647907]

>>19644837
I'm vegan
cows eat grass, hay, oats.
cows are made of vegetable matter
I eat cow
vegan
problem?

[Anonymous No.19647910]

>>19645139
>veganism is a "philosophy"
it's a religion

[Anonymous No.19647914]

>>19645228

[Anonymous No.19647915]

>>19647907
Grass, hay and oats eat ground and sunlight. You're eating dirt and photons.

[Anonymous No.19647919]

>>19646031
post clothes

[Anonymous No.19647925]

for animals to suffer they have to be alive. suffering is an in the moment thing. there can also be memory of suffering.

once dead there is no suffering or memory of suffering.

therefore there is no moral reason to not eat meat.

[Anonymous No.19647930]

>>19647915
vegetables eat decaying dead animals and other dead matter.

so no matter what you are still eating dead animals.

[Anonymous No.19647931]

>>19645228
>the reality of my actions doesn't fit the morals i purport to have, so i construct a fake reality that makes me feel better and superior
typical vegan

[Anonymous No.19647940]

>>19647274
wall of text lmao
meat is tasty and has great protein availability and vitamins
dont care about vegans, just reduce the population to 10% of what it is, simple as

[Anonymous No.19647942]

>>19644837
If Reagan hadn't shut down the asylums we wouldn't have to put up with vegans.

[Anonymous No.19647944]

>>19647940
>just reduce the population to 10% of what it is, simple as
it's great to think this way because it means you don't actually have to bother doing anything

[Anonymous No.19647951]

>>19647904
>water-meat

[Anonymous No.19647954]

>>19647904
Fish is healthier, they don't suffer as much, better for the environment, more efficient to produce.

Not pescatarian, it's just the reasons I've seen.

[Anonymous No.19647957]

>>19647274
>>19647286

[Anonymous No.19647958]

>>19647904
Jesus fish miracle; they're mostly religious nuts.

[Anonymous No.19647966]

>>19647954
>they don't suffer as much
Can't that argument be made for free-range farm animals that are killed in a quick and painless manner?

[Anonymous No.19647978]

>>19647966
see >>19647925

[Anonymous No.19647986]

>>19647966
I think it's an intelligence thing. Or fish are just different enough that they don't seem to be suffering. I felt bad as a kid when fishing for fun and seeing the damage the hooks can do though.

But even if you kill the animal instantly, you're still taking its life away. It might not suffer, but it'll never experience anything pleasant again either.

If you eat meat, then you should obviously minimize the animal's suffering as much as possible. There's no reason to cause it extra stress. But taking its life still has some cruelty, as it likely didn't want to die.

[Anonymous No.19648011]

>>19647986
>it'll never experience anything pleasant again either
it's dead and will never know this.

you seem to not understand what death is.

it is the ceasing of all knowing and being. it's as if you never existed.

[Anonymous No.19648036]

>>19648011
>it's dead and will never know this.
That's why I said it's not suffering, but it's still cruel to remove its capacity for enjoyment.

I understand what death is. I was severely injured when I was very young and had a near-death experience. Getting close to that feeling of not existing was unpleasant. Just because it happens instantly doesn't remove the unpleasantness of no longer being able to have a good experience. There is cruelty in taking a life no matter how you go about it.

I still accept that at least for now people need animals for food, and not letting the animal know it's happening is the best way to do it. But I don't think it should be seen as ideal compared to getting to a point where we don't have to kill animals at all anymore. Just going vegan isn't ideal either since it often results in poorer health and fitness compared to a good omnivore diet and lifestyle. I don't know what the answer is. I just don't think killing is a good thing, especially on the scale it's being done now too.

[Anonymous No.19648053]

>>19644837
Why the fuck is it a Venn diagram? They are subsets of eachother, they should be nested. Whomever made that is retarded af.

[Anonymous No.19648698]

>>19644837
Stupid people hate the concept of using words correctly

[Anonymous No.19649830]

>>19648053
mathematically based

[Anonymous No.19649840]

>>19648053
>they should be nested
that would also be a venn diagram though.

[Anonymous No.19651135]

>>19649840
he probably doesn't know what the words mean, either

[Anonymous No.19651204]

>>19645214
You're either arguing in bad faith (in which case go step on a Lego™ brick) or you're not considering that meat production requires about an order of magnitude more crops to be grown as animal feed per calorie.