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[Anonymous No.19534111]

Vegan thread

[Anonymous No.19534121]

>>19534111
why do animal eaters support the lifelong misery and torture of highly intelligent farm animals, but shit their diapers about a pet being kicked?

Rationalizing the torture and murder of these animals is similar to what serial killers do when they "just" kill prostitutes.

[Anonymous No.19534128]

>>19534111
I have personally met and played with hogs ive paid money to have butchered and cut up. knew their names too. this pic is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.19534132]

>>19534121
>highly intelligent

[Anonymous No.19534139]

The only Chloe was ever alive is because her ancestors were useful to humans. Good chance her bloodline would’ve ended long ago from disease or beating eaten alive by predators in the wild. Instead she gets to reproduce and die instantly from a bolt in the brain. Domesticated animals have it made, evolutionarily.

[Anonymous No.19534148]

>>19534139
>Domesticated animals have it made, evolutionarily.
If they were treated well on a farm, I agree. But for animals like chickens in those tiny cages, that seems like a completely miserable existence with nothing positive about it making it worth experiencing.

[Anonymous No.19534152]

>>19534139
>Domesticated animals have it made, evolutionarily
>be born just to sit in a pin 24 hours a day and force fed shit until you eventually get slaughtered for meat
would rather have not been born desu. I eat meat all the time but you're point is retarded

[Anonymous No.19534162]

>>19534111
God only made man in his image. He set us above all other living creatures. man alone possesses rational thought, moral choice, and most importantly, souls. to insinuate that animals have "rights" or that they should be spared at the cost of human well-being is not only retarded, it's sacrilege

[Anonymous No.19534166]

>>19534162
>god is above us and loves us and wants the best things for us if we behave
>we're above animals but who cares we can do whatever we want let's kill them just because they taste good lmao
that's crazy

[Anonymous No.19534174]

>>19534132
smarter than your dog/cat for sure.

>>19534139
ah yes, because any life, even one of constant torture and abuse, is preferable to never existing?

[Anonymous No.19534184]

>>19534121
that's actually a good point. society treats pets as higher than humans too. cows are intelligent enough to know that they are headed for the slaughtering line, in the same way that a dog knows that it is headed to the vet

[Anonymous No.19534185]

>>19534174
your average farm animal isn't smarter than a dog
(but pigs are)
>ah yes, because any life, even one of constant torture and abuse, is preferable to never existing?
that puts a point on the question of natalism itself though
but that line of reasoning doesn't necessarily lead to veganism -- I mean, you could become a vegan just to avoid being complicit in animal torture, sure. but the messaging is usually retarded slogans like MEAT IS MURDER. even the OP image shows someone whining that the cow "wanted to live" and was "killed" for meat when, yeah, it wouldn't have lived in the first place without farming.
all I'm trying to say is the mistreatment of animals and the morality of raising and slaughtering animals for meat are two different moral questions

[Anonymous No.19534188]

>>19534111
what cuckland is this?

[Anonymous No.19534198]

>>19534188
Coles, an Australian supermarket

[Anonymous No.19534200]

>>19534162
God gave us control over all animals and seed bearing plants. I use my control to conserve and protect those animals. I do this in God's name.
What now, you stupid brown faggotranny?

[Anonymous No.19534202]

>>19534111
I don't care that she had a name (not that she realized it) or that she wanted to live. Of course she did, but she lived because her destiny was to be turned into Scotch fillet steaks.
I didn't ask to be born a creature that must consume other organisms to live, but that's how it is. Even if we could re-engineer ourselves into beings that could consume rocks and sunlight to survive, we'd still be denying other organisms access to those same sources of mineral nutrients and energy. Other things MUST die, suffer, or face greater challenge to exist purely because you exist (if not now, then in the future or through their descendents); it is a core fact of reality that cannot be circumvented.
That being said, humans are moral beings and prefer to make ethical choices. If I can live my life while minimizing negative effects on those around me, I should do that. My body craves delicious, nutritious meat, and I will see my body satisfied. Animals need not be tortured for that to happen though. I will eat Chloe, but I also prefer that she live a happy life with other cows and be killed in a humane manner. I will indirectly force chickens to lay eggs that I will confiscate and have my wife use to make luxurious baked goods for her self-satisfaction, but I will buy eggs from companies that treat their chickens the best.
Sorry vegans, but I will never, ever side with you. I've looked down on vegetarians my entire life for their half-assed philosophy. You don't think animals can be humanely raised and slaughtered? That the bees mourn the loss of their honey? Fine, draw the line wherever you want. But don't think I'm going to praise you for cultivating and butchering millions of plants so you can turn their children into coconut-date energy balls, and their own corpses into clothing and salads.

[Anonymous No.19534207]

>>19534185
>your average farm animal.
I've seen some good thinking and problem solving skills out of cows, equine, goats, pigs... even chiggens, duggs, and turggies have their moments.
I'm here to assume you haven't spent much time on the farm

[Anonymous No.19534209]

>>19534202
>I don't care that she had a name (not that she realized it)
cows know their names if they're raised to

[Anonymous No.19534212]

[Anonymous No.19534214]

>>19534207
>I've seen some good thinking and problem solving skills out of cows, equine, goats, pigs... even chiggens, duggs, and turggies have their moments.
and dogs, too.
pigs were noted specifically in the post you're replying to which I guess you didn't read before writing the reply to or else you wouldn't have listed them

[Anonymous No.19534215]

>>19534188
>>19534198
I was wondering too because they use the dollar sign but also kilograms. Was thinking maybe cuckanada. I always forget about Australians and their dollarydoos

[Anonymous No.19534217]

>>19534212
>let me just grab my shoe
>Ok lets touch food
Hate you people

[Anonymous No.19534225]

>>19534214
It's the reason I didn't list them first. Yet they are in the spectrum of my knowledge. Dogs aren't farm animals unless they are outside dogs that hang with the pack and don't come inside. That's a very domesticated animal.
You've guessed wrong, faggot

[Anonymous No.19534241]

>>19534111
It’s actually comforting to eat steak of an animal that was personified, named, and cared for. In my opinion, being able to respect an animal in death while you benefit off of its life is the best exercise of power a human can do over life. Meat eaters and vegans that are discomforted by this have a disjointed view on the cycle of life, and only carry these morals for their own selfish comfort.

[Anonymous No.19534272]

>>19534225
>You've guessed wrong, faggot
then you're just a retard, you should have taken the out you were provided of not having read

[Anonymous No.19534289]

>>19534272
Fag, he named dogs too yet you led with that. Get lost, bozo

[Anonymous No.19534298]

>>19534209
In some sense, yes, but that's not what I was referring to. She recognizes the sounds that indicate something involves her, but she doesn't consciously understand the concept of a "name" or social identity. Same goes for human toddlers -- my friend's two-year-old has learned peoples' names, but she is confused when asked what her own name is. She knows to associate them with people as indicators of desire or tools to get attention, but the deeper concept of what names are is unknown to her.
In short, I'm saying cows lack both the degree of consciousness to appreciate that they should live because they were unique beings capable of social interaction, the ability to comprehend these concepts, as well as the level of reasoning to assess this argument.

[Anonymous No.19534360]

>>19534241
I think humans are innately repulsed by the thought of killing other mammals (for any reason other than self defense) and that to eat them takes an extreme amount of cognitive dissonance due to our tendency to anthropomorphize animals and low species loyalty. This would mean that eating beef is less natural than killing a pitbull you feel threatened by

[Anonymous No.19534365]

>>19534111
my sister worked for some elderly farmers who had a steer who's name was dinner.

can you guess what happened to him?

[Anonymous No.19534373]

>>19534241
well said

[Anonymous No.19534378]

>>19534184
No, that's a stupid point. You don't keep farm animals to torture them, you keep them to eat them. You don't kick a dog to eat it.

[Anonymous No.19534400]

>>19534121
>support the lifelong misery and torture
yeah feeding an animal what it considers super tasty food, protecting it from predators and disease before quickly killing it.

once it's dead it can't suffer or have suffered because you can't have suffering without life and a memory of said suffering.

life is suffering, suffering ended.

[Anonymous No.19534404]

Post more vegan food.

[Anonymous No.19534415]

>>19534404
that guy was pretty funny till his channel went all trumptard.

if he's wearing a flower in his hair he's making a parody video.

[Anonymous No.19534420]

>>19534121
You act like I wouldn't kill you and feed you to birds for mildly annoying me if I had the power. Stop pretending empathy for lesser beasts is some "default" and not you being a retarded, over-socialized pussy.

[Anonymous No.19534426]

>>19534420
and yet you fell for bait like a dumb animal

[Anonymous No.19534428]

I once had a conversation with a vegan who said to me that honey was not vegan because you are stealing from the bees and exploiting them.

At what point do you have to admit that this is just retarded?

[Anonymous No.19534430]

>>19534121
considering in there won't be anyone on this planet in about 4 billion years, none of this matters.

hell there won't be anyone in 10,000 years.

[Anonymous No.19534431]

>>19534121
>Rationalizing the torture and murder of these animals is similar to what serial killers do when they "just" kill prostitutes.
Is your goal here to try to make me sympathize with people who target whores?
>raising an animal in a safe environment away from predators where they are guaranteed food and water before stunning them and killing them, then using every part you can, is the same as killing a hooker
Not a good message dude. You're basically arguing murderers should receive a lesser charge because they killed a pimp's property, and not a person.

[Anonymous No.19534435]

>>19534166
the relationship between God and us vs us and the animals isn't even remotely similar. cut it out with your false equivalencies, you know full well what you're doing
>>19534200
God didn't ask you to do that

[Anonymous No.19534437]

>>19534435
He didn't ask you to be a faggot or have zero empathy but here we are.

[Anonymous No.19534441]

>I'm vegan because I want my food to be natural

[Anonymous No.19534445]

>>19534437
He said we were created in his image, and gave us permission to have dominion over this world. Read Genesis you little shit. People who torture animals for fun are twisted and dangerous, but we were given permission to shape this place to our whim so long as it does not violate his laws.

[Anonymous No.19534449]

>>19534121
Here's the answer: We are genetically hard-coded to view dogs as friends and companions. Humans and dogs have co-evolved for over 30k years to the point that we can understand and act on each other's facial expressions, body language, and moods. When humans and dogs look each other in the eyes the" love hormone" oxytocin is released in both parties which chemically bonds us. Without dogs, it would have been nearly impossible for us to survive the Northern European climate, let alone conquer the world. We lifted each other out of the wilderness and forged civilization together. Dogs and humans will forever be a pair, and to not love dogs is inhuman. On the other hand, cows, chickens, and pigs have been sources of food for millenia and there are no bonds between us other than sustenance