ketosis

[Anonymous No.19292744]

is it really worth it?

[Anonymous No.19292748]

>>19292744
How to lose weight:
Consistently burn more calories than you consume

[Anonymous No.19292754]

>>19292748
wrong

[Anonymous No.19292755]

How to direct your nutrition: read meta-analysis that extract trends from decades research on hundreds of thousands of people

How not to direct your diet: listen to gurus and social media retards that appeal to simple argument

Nutrition is complicated and all theories are likely wrong. What’s right is the data.

[Anonymous No.19292779]

>>19292755
But he is right. Just because he decided to quit going keto does not mean it doesn't work. Your body is forced to burn fat when you are in a calorie deficit and have a keto diet. If you take in your daily value of carbs or more, it's going to be very difficult to burn fat.

[Anonymous No.19292895]

>>19292755

I generally agree. Moreover, the main reason restrictive diets that eliminate many foods (e.g. keto, Whole30, etc) "work" is that you can't just eat whatever is available whenever you want. Reducing the amount of choices you have and forcing you to make more of your own foods will generally lead to a reduction in calories, and that's all it takes to lose weight. Then, one of two things will happen:

>you get sick of not being able to eat your favorite foods, go off the diet, and binge your way back up to starting weight or higher
>you find certain very appetizing calorie-dense foods within your diet plan, like bacon or keto baked goods, and you eat shitloads of them

Either way, they're not really sustainable long-term. IME the best way to lose weight is just to move more and cut out junk/added sugars and to avoid eating out as much as possible. It's really kinda basic and that of course is not good for selling books/supplements/YT videos/etc. We all kind of already know what's healthy and what's not, sure you can get really into the weeds on like, which fruits are healthier than others based on glycemic index or whatever, but for 95% of people that's not gonna help them optimize their diet. Everything I've read basically boils down to this:

>eat more fresh fruits and veggies
>eat fewer fatty meats like bacon
>consume less full-fat dairy
>get lots of protein from lean meats, fish, eggs (or egg whites if you have cholesterol problems), low fat dairy, and plant sources
>use healthy cooking fats like olive and avocado oil, minimize butter intake
>eat more fish like sardines, mackerel, and salmon with lots of healthy fats
>consume moderate amounts of carbohydrates, preferably less refined
>don't eat processed junk food, don't consume added sugar, minimize alcohol intake

Y'know, eat more good stuff, avoid the obviously bad stuff. And some garbage now and then won't kill you, but after a while you just don't crave it anymore.

[Anonymous No.19292938]

>>19292754
He's technically right, but what CICO preachers fail to address is the hormonal effect that your food choices have on you. Eating your daily caloric expenditure in steak and veggies would have a much different effect on you than eating it in table sugar, but these sorts of people just don't care.

There's also the issue of how efficiently your body uses the energy you put into it. Your metabolism is kinda like a car engine in that its rate of fuel consumption isn't a constant, rather it depends on a bunch of factors like fuel quality and usage. There's a lot of evidence to show that when your body is running on fat, it's actually less efficient which leads to increased "burning" of calories. But isn't that what you want if you're trying to lose weight?

But then again all OP posted is a grifter trying to make money off dipshits.

[Anonymous No.19292941]

>>19292779
That is one of those theories. You can invent other 20 reasonable theories and follow them if that makes you feel better. My suggestion stays to look at the data, what makes people feel healthy and what gives them disease.

[Anonymous No.19292958]

>>19292895
Spot on. I don't know why people are obsessed with theories of how their body works. You end up like steve jobs drinking fruit juice for curing cancer because some hippie made a theory about that.

[Anonymous No.19292962]

>>19292744
he was already a fatty in 2012

[Anonymous No.19292964]

>>19292744
It's worth it for migraines. It's pretty shitty for weight loss though.

[Anonymous No.19292965]

>>19292744
No. Keto is a gimmick to excuse still continue to eat shittily (meat, animal and dairy fats, salt) and NOT eating the healthy stuff like fruit, vegetables, whole grain and oils. It's one of the worst diet in the long run on your health.

[Anonymous No.19292973]

>>19292941
>>19292958
Yeah. Empirical, measured FACTS (what has already actually happened happened)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>theories

That goes for economics, and everything else as well.

[Anonymous No.19292988]

>>19292744
I had a fat fuck friend who did Keto and lost a shit load of weight. He ate like shit too, like a baconator but no bun, pork rhinds. Hes since stopped and regained everything

[Anonymous No.19293009]

We understand objectively how ketosis works. It isn't hypothetical, we know how to induce ketosis and we know the effects of ketosis.

Keto WILL allow you to lose weight. Keto is a bad diet however for a number of reasons
>diets are how you conduct yourself every day of your life. If you lose a bunch of weight on keto, the moment you stop keto you will gain it all back. Keto is a stringent and restrictive diet and most people can't maintain it their whole life
>keto diets help with weight loss but often leave you malnourished across several other areas regarding micronutrient intake
>keto is very hard to actually achieve unless you're very diligently tracking your food intake. You must stay below 20 grams of carbs regardless of how big you are or how much food you eat total. Most people who try keto just eat a ton of fatty foods but don't police themselves strongly enough to actually hit ketosis, making the diet entirely pointless

A sugar based barbecue sauce can turn a rack of ribs from keto to absolutely not keto, but most people on keto just shovel meat in their mouths Willy nilly.

Unironically the best thing a "keto" diet does for most people is significantly reduce their sugar consumption.

[Anonymous No.19293030]

>>19292744
Don't eat sugar, wheat, or dairy, and go to bed hungry

[Anonymous No.19293033]

>>19292744
no, it works, but you'll destroy your heart

[Anonymous No.19293084]

You still actually have to regulate your portion sizes on any diet you put yourself on.

[Anonymous No.19293088]

>First week of keto
>Lost 11 lbs in 5 days
>Absolutely miserable
>Can't walk more than 10 steps without being winded
>So nauseous I don't eat all day
>Pissing constantly
>Absolutely sick of meat and eggs

[Anonymous No.19293092]

>>19293009
>the moment you stop keto you will gain it all back
That's bullshit, I lost 60 pounds and never gained it back

[Anonymous No.19293102]

>>19293092
>NAH BRO KETO IS A MEME, JUST FOCUS ON CALORIE DEFICIT
>Get off keto, maintain calorie deficit
>YOU'LL GAIN IT BACK!
Why does this meme diet make people seethe so hard

[Anonymous No.19293108]

>>19293102
>>19293092
>>19293088
Eat a goddamn vegetable.

[Anonymous No.19293111]

>>19293108
I eat roasted frozen veggie mixes a side to my protein (usually either salmon or NY strip if I can afford it)

[Anonymous No.19293138]

>>19293102
Probably because they tried it and didn't stick to it and are still fat. It's a good way to reset your metabolism if you just stick with it long enough.

[Anonymous No.19293142]

>>19293138
To be fair, carbs are great and they're in a ton of things. Plus keto flu is a nightmare. I could see why so many people get filtered

[Anonymous No.19293144]

>>19293108
You can eat all kinds of veggies doing keto are you aretarted?

[Anonymous No.19293163]

>>19292755
theres very little good nutrition data

[Anonymous No.19293171]

Seen so many people try so many fad diets when all that ever works out is reasonable portions of the Mediterranean diet. Americans are so fat because they hear "eat meat as a diet" and eat a half pound of bacon at every meal

[Anonymous No.19293197]

If you had a fat fucking dog, how would you handle it? You'd probably say "More walks, less food", right? Of course; saying something like "I better make sure to get my dog into a state of ketosis" would make you sound like a fucking schizo. Why would your body be any different? It's not fucking rocket science. Eat less, work out more.

[Anonymous No.19293200]

>>19292938
I was part of the keto cult in 2017 and I introduced my gf at the time to it and she completely turned her life around dietarily. I was perfectly fine with her being slightly overweight but she literally drank all of the Kool aid and did 100% mega keto for like a year and lost like 50 pounds. She's a gym bunny now and dating a gym chad.

[Anonymous No.19293201]

>>19293197
I'd also put my dog down if he developed a chronic illness, so maybe treating yourself like a dog is a retard take

[Anonymous No.19293218]

>>19293197
If you put a dog on an all meat diet it will get to a healthy weight fast
Going for walks is important for entirely unrelated reasons

[Anonymous No.19293220]

>>19293201
If I had to give my dog pills for the rest of his life or follow a special diet or get 5000 dollar surgery id do any of it because I love him. I would only put my dog down if he was dying and suffering. I think it just says more about you than it says about metabolism and diet.

[Anonymous No.19293223]

>>19293220

[Anonymous No.19293363]

>>19292748
>Consistently burn more calories than you consume
This is pseudoscience and has been debunked many, many times.

[Anonymous No.19293423]

>>19293009
so the most important thing is low sugar, and avoiding the obvious junk food from the slopmart.
if I do that, is it ok to eat muh pasta and rice?

[Anonymous No.19293431]

>>19292744
YES
KETOSIS IS WORTH IT
KNOW HOW TO GET INTO PROPER KETOSIS?
WATER FAST
AS I DO
60mg/dl AND RISING

[Anonymous No.19293479]

>>19292744
Eh, there are better options imo. If you want to lose a moderate amount of fat quickly (eg 20 pounds in 8-10 weeks) then a PSMF with some carbs thrown in around training (assuming you lift) is the best way to go imo.
If you want to lose weight at a slower pace/over a longer period of time I think it makes more sense to focus on foods which increase satiety/are more nutrient than calorie dense.
For reference 100g of strawberries contains ~30 Calories. 100g of fresh pineapple contains ~50 Calories. 100g of blackberries contain ~40 Calories. 100g of cooked chicken breast contains ~165 Calories. 100g of fage fat free greek yogurt contains ~60 Calories. 100g of cooked ribeye contains ~300 Calories.

[Anonymous No.19293937]

>>19292748
Anyone who disputes this is obese and lacks self control

[Anonymous No.19294549]

>>19292779
>>19292895
>>19292938
>>19292964
>>19292988
>>19293009
>>19293088
>>19293092
>>19293102
>>19293138
>>19293144
>>19293163
>>19293200
>>19293201
>>19293218
>>19293363
>>19293431

[Anonymous No.19294589]

>>19293088
>>Lost 11 lbs in 5 days
That's not from keto, that's from you not consuming nearly enough calories in general. I found it very difficult to not become underweight without at least stuff like milk and sweet potatoes in my diet. Just have to avoid junk food and desserts.

[Anonymous No.19294590]

>>19292744
I've legit lost 80 pounds in 5 months. Shit works man.

[Anonymous No.19294600]

>>19293423
Probably. Might still be a good idea to stick with brown rice and whole grain pasta though, because if the rest of your diet is good and you eat enough fruit/veg you'll probably be okay with refined grains.

[Anonymous No.19294613]

>>19294549
That's not keto that's high protein low carb.

[Anonymous No.19294651]

>>19292748
>calories
Outdated and pseudoscientific concept of "food as "fuel". Your body does not "burn" food like a bomb calorimeter does.

[Anonymous No.19294680]

>>19293423
It should be! Talk to your doctor about it though, they should be able to get you in contact with your nearest bariatric clinic who can help you out.

[Anonymous No.19295236]

>>19294613
>keto variant number 3,562
Why do these faggots have to constantly change the same of their grift? Oh I know, it's because they don't work, and when people follow their meme diet and it doesn't work they need to move onto the next grifter diet to sell to gullible facebook moms and image board incels.

[Anonymous No.19295628]

>>19294651
hahahahahahahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.19295637]

>>19294590
Nice larp, donkey.

[Anonymous No.19295648]

>>19292744
A lot of meme diets work in the beginning, but are not reliable long-term.

[Anonymous No.19295658]

>>19295648
Basically no diets work long term. Long term stats about weight loss are extremely depressing. I think it's something like 7% of people that manage to keep weight off after 2 years, with that number reducing the heavier you start.

[Anonymous No.19295663]

>>19293363
The conservation of energy has been debunked?

[Anonymous No.19295671]

>>19294651
Yeah, kilojoules are what we use now.

[Anonymous No.19295698]

>>19295658
I've read that people who are stressed, depressed, sleep deprived, lacking socialization, etc. will eat more junk food and overeat more. If you don't address those things too then just trying to change the diet won't help enough.

A lot of diets also try to demonize something other than highly processed junk food, which causes problems too. I guess people will try to avoid giving up addictive junk food until they're ready to admit that's the real problem. Even people who lose weight on keto will start eating fruit, whole grains, etc. but avoid soda and candy.

[Anonymous No.19295701]

>>19295648
The point of keto is that #1 it works, you are very likely to lose weight and #2 you dont have to be hungry and you can eat delicious foods

You can even eat sweets as long as they're sweetened with erythritol instead of sugar.

[Anonymous No.19295843]

>>19295658
Diets work as long as you stick to them. The problem is the vast majority of people don't stick to them, because they just want to lose some weight and then get back to eating the way they were before. Most people prefer tasty food over being slim, especially in the long run.

[Anonymous No.19295856]

>>19292748
Calories in < Calorie out
seems significantly less capable of changing WEIGHT than
Weigh in < Weight out

it's the only way

[Anonymous No.19295870]

>>19293092
God job, fatass

[Anonymous No.19295873]

>>19292941
>My suggestion stays to look at the data, what makes people feel healthy and what gives them disease.
fuck you for your ridiculously worthless suggestion

[Anonymous No.19295877]

>>19293937
what about obesity because of genetics, im fat because of genetics

[Anonymous No.19295881]

>>19295877
>what about obesity because of genetics, im fat because of genetics
Um, regardless of your genetics, if you ate less food and exercised, you would be skinny. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.19295949]

>>19292748
there are degrees to it but overall it's that simple, and that's why people find it so hard to believe, because you can't make a superiority stance on it or sell it

[Anonymous No.19295966]

>>19295949
Well its not about belief but that people are having different conversations
People live in a world with environment they cant control and their own biology that dictates their actions and desires.
Diets are meant to guide someone to an end goal. They provide structure, restrictions that you otherwise lack.
People who live in an environment where every food item in a shop has been stuffed with sugar and msg to make you want to eat it more will get fatter than someone living in the past where their options were fresh goods from the market that cost 90% of your days wages.
Diets can tell you "ignore all items that manipulate you to stuff yourself" and focus on these items that are less addictive, end result being less calories in.

[Anonymous No.19295994]

>>19292941
What you mean muh low cholesterol, high in carbs diet that that one fucking hack made most people believe is healthy while covering up a study that he himself conducted?

[Anonymous No.19295999]

>>19292744
I lost a bunch of weight on keto and now have a lower appetite so I can continue losing more weight.

[Anonymous No.19296006]

>>19294589
Nope. If he was eating at a caloric deficit he would've lost maybe 2 or 3 pounds. He lost 11 pounds because he was both in ketosis nonstop and at a deficit

[Anonymous No.19296008]

I don't understand you american, is physical activity is too hard for you?

[Anonymous No.19296011]

>>19296008
Weight loss is 80% diet

[Anonymous No.19296019]

>>19296011
lack of any exercise is what makes you fat in the first place.

[Anonymous No.19296021]

>>19293200
how kind of you to send her out to meet better men.

[Anonymous No.19296041]

>>19295881
sure if you don't eat you get skinny but genetical heritable factors play a role for reasons on the propensity someone has on getting fat, just saying don't eat is not the full picture, this is similar to telling a depressed person to just not be depressed or an alcoholic to simply stop drinking alcohol, is not that easy

this is a review which pretty much shows all the research on the topic over the decades
>Twin, family and adoption studies have estimated the heritability of obesity to be between 40% and 70% 9,10
> In addition, two GWAS have focused on persistent healthy thinness, assuming that genes that determine resistance to weight gain may also inform obesity prevention and weight loss maintenance53,54
>Almost all GWAS loci for obesity outcomes were first identified in adults. Most of these loci also associate with obesity and/or BMI in children and adolescents, highlighting the fact that the genetic underpinning of obesity is relatively constant across the course of life55,56,57.

[Anonymous No.19296050]

>>19296041

Review Article
Published: 23 September 2021
The genetics of obesity: from discovery to biology

[Anonymous No.19296052]

>>19296006
Ketosis isn't magic, that's starvation level weight loss. That's not far off from what I lose when I'm in a complete fast.

[Anonymous No.19296103]

>>19296019
Overeating is what makes you fat in the first place.

[Anonymous No.19296110]

>>19292744
>that image
>character assassination

[Anonymous No.19296112]

>>19296052
Burning fat isn'tt starvation

[Anonymous No.19296115]

>>19296052
Carbs help the body hold water while also burning fat. It is not at all impossible to lose 10+ pounds in a short amount of time while on keto.

[Anonymous No.19296120]

>>19296115
>Carbs help the body hold water while also burning fat. It is not at all impossible to lose 10+ pounds in a short amount of time while on keto.
But only as a one off event. However, if you follow through with a keto diet the reduction of insulin resistance will change how your body reacts in a metabolic way. It will also lead to being in a ketosis state that is less energy efficient than carb consumption or to put it another way leads to faster weight loss.

A caloric debt is more effective when in ketosis than when not.

[Anonymous No.19296256]

>>19296120
Yeah, it's less efficient at maintaining/gaining fat. That's literally what the body is designed to do, gain as much weight as possible because it just assumes that we are always in an extreme survival situation

[Anonymous No.19296419]

>>19293363
Then why does it work every single time

[Anonymous No.19296425]

>>19296419
How come keto works every time but better?

[Anonymous No.19296432]

>>19296425
Because it doesnt

[Anonymous No.19296450]

>>19296256
>That's literally what the body is designed to do, gain as much weight as possible because it just assumes that we are always in an extreme survival situation
Literally not even true a little bit

[Anonymous No.19296487]

>>19295966
Thats a whole lot of text to write "lack of self-control".

[Anonymous No.19296489]

>>19296450
Yeah it is lol.

[Anonymous No.19296492]

>>19296432
Because it does. Explain to me why there have been so many fat people losing an insane amount of weight without starving themselves then. You can't do that in a carb neutral (or heavy) diet. I lost 10 pounds in only 7 days while on the keto diet while not even working out lol

[Anonymous No.19296522]

Next you faggots will say that we're carb shaming lol

[Anonymous No.19296526]

>>19296522
Who are you talking to

[Anonymous No.19296527]

>>19296492
>I lost 10 pounds in only 7 days while on the keto diet while not even working out lol
Yeah you would have to burn 7000 calories a day for that to happen so nah you didnt

[Anonymous No.19296532]

>>19296527
It's not about just the calories you fucking idiot, it's also about THE WATER WEIGHT THAT HOLDING CARBS ENTAILS. You absolute fucking moron

[Anonymous No.19296576]

>>19296532
Good so you admit you didnt lose 10 pounds in 7 days.
>I didn't say
Okay buddy

[Anonymous No.19296584]

>>19296576
I did though lol. You're just moving the goal posts

[Anonymous No.19296642]

>>19295236
Keto is high fat. Just because some idiot interprets this as eating nothing but meat and cheese, it's his problem, and the retard's who thought the idiot is doing it right.

[Anonymous No.19296667]

>>19296492
>implying weight loss over a week means literally anything

You could literally drink less water for a week and lose 5 pounds too. If meme diets actually worked they would be the standard. If you talk to anyone who isn't just a fat lard trying to lose weight and is athletically fit, I promise you won't be hearing shit about keto.

Eat a healthy varied diet and learn to control portions. You'll maintain a healthy weight, live and feel better, and won't have to tote around bullshit to maintain your retarded lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.19296764]

>>19296667
Nta but diet is a diet, it works if you count intake/expenditure and stick to it. You are right about initial weight loss for keto though because basically all the glycogen is burned off from carb restriction (shedding some water weight because metabolic stacking of glycogen requires h2o iirc). Real keto is kinda hard to pull off though, i did it for a few months and lost insane amount of weight. It’s almost unnatural what i had to add to hit macro targets so i didn’t do it for too long. I did do some gym to combat muscle loss from going on an diet, but compared to the time i did normal portion control + intense cardio.. keto just did it faster for me and easier. probably 2-3lb compared to 3-4lbs loss per week, which honestly both are good if you can put in the work. I think from different diets, all i learn is just do what you can stick to easily and fucking hit the gym. trying to lose weight is pointless, you need to lose fat. always think of body composition and try to lose fat, not muscle from starving yourself.

[Anonymous No.19296831]

>>19292748
eductionism to self control isn't particularly helpful: obesity is a global issue with a complex etiology and and as such a multifaceted approach incorporating the individual, healthcare system, and government policy must be employed to effectively reduce the disease burden it causes rather than suggesting it's the individual's problem and walking away
t. biomed

[Anonymous No.19296990]

>>19292744
>>19293009
Ive been a keto fag for about a year and a half at this point

I was 350 pounds and as of last weigh in i am 210, pushing for 180 by october

It saved my life and changed how i look at food, i know i am going to have to maintain something similar my whole life, but once i reach my goal weight i am going to stick in a 180-190 range, being more relaxed towards 180, and more strict the closer i am to 190

Its taken more willpower than i ever thought i had, i have an unhealthy relationship with food, i had a cheat week over christmas and gained back 10-15 pounds and spent almost 600 on food alone, i am a binge eater and the restrictions keep me in control

Anyway, not trying to convince anyone, just sharing my journey, i have a while left but i plan on seeing it through, i never want to become the man i used to be again

[Anonymous No.19297012]

>>19296021
she was borderline retarded anyway I'm sure he is too if hes still with her. also she had 2 kids and saggy tits at 26.

[Anonymous No.19297114]

>>19296990
Typically there's nothing wrong with cutting way back on the fat and re-introducing more healthy carbs (more fruit, root veggies like potatoes and carrots, carby dairy like milk, yogurt, cottage cheese, would still avoid grains though), but if you know you've got a bit of an eating disorder and are prone to binging, just do what you need to do to stay healthy. Godspeed, anon.

[Anonymous No.19298670]

Keto is a reddit meme

[Anonymous No.19298740]

>>19296990
Your stomach is prob extremely enlarged from overeating too.
You prob need some pro dietician to tell you how to cope during normal life when you're limiting yourself to keto. maybe even a surgery to make your stomach smaller.

[Anonymous No.19298944]

>>19292744
More like "hair loss" if you know what I mean

[Anonymous No.19298952]

>>19292748
How to win at football:
score more points than your opponent.

[Anonymous No.19299720]

>>19292754
him describing being morbidly obese as "belly fat" is aggravating. "belly fat" is like a few extra pounds on your gut that you could drop in a two week crash diet, it's not being absolutely fucking massive

[Anonymous No.19299994]

>>19296492
>I lost 10 pounds in only 7 days while on the keto diet
Of muscle and water weight. Congrats retard.

[Anonymous No.19300020]

>>19296831
But it is an individual problem. Notwithstanding the epidemical properties of obesity, it is literally impossible to control how people eat unless you take very extreme measures and even then, there are fat people in prison

[Anonymous No.19300412]

>>19292895
>eat more fresh fruits and veggies
>eat fewer fatty meats like bacon
>consume less full-fat dairy
>get lots of protein from lean meats, fish, eggs (or egg whites if you have cholesterol problems), low fat dairy, and plant sources
>use healthy cooking fats like olive and avocado oil, minimize butter intake
>eat more fish like sardines, mackerel, and salmon with lots of healthy fats
>consume moderate amounts of carbohydrates, preferably less refined
>don't eat processed junk food, don't consume added sugar, minimize alcohol intake


This is true, however coming from someone who just quit keto after now reversing their insulin resistence, I could not eat fruit, or even non-processed healthy carbs without suffering the side effects.

Thankfully now I can, and I thank Keto for that. However, I think both metabolic states serve a purpose (obviously that's the way we're designed).

[Anonymous No.19300423]

>>19292744
is the keto schizo back? can he still not explain keto was challenged? lol. what a weak loser

[Anonymous No.19300431]

>>19300020
>even then, there are fat people in prison

because they are fat, right ?!?!

[Anonymous No.19300445]

>>19298670
>Keto is a reddit meme

exactly. it is a buzzword that clown cult members can't explain

[Anonymous No.19300462]

>>19292895
>minimize butter intake

nothing wrong with butter. i prefer it to some meme oil

[Anonymous No.19300466]

>>19300412
actually, just want to add that animal fats are not bad for you at all and you hould not consciously try to limit them

[Anonymous No.19300481]

>>19300445
everyone else in the thread seems to understand what it is though

[Anonymous No.19300488]

>>19292965
most people quit keto because they can't give up pasta and bread. I see your point but it's not like keto diets are saying you can continue to eat whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.19300518]

>>19300481
>bot uses term
>bot can't explain term which shows it doesn't really understand term
>bot blames others

is there any difference between the clown cult and chatgpt at this point?

[Anonymous No.19300527]

>>19292895
your aversion to consuming animal fat is incorrect

[Anonymous No.19301088]

>>19300020
>there are fat people in prison
Couldn't possibly be the food they serve

[Anonymous No.19301179]

>>19293088
>Lost 11 lbs in 5 days
really?
brb starting keto

[Anonymous No.19301372]

>>19296831
>>19292748
>muh goberment
it would be enough if media just stopped being fat okay to sell product
No one will lose weight for you, you have to want it yourself because if you won't change eating habits it will come back

[Anonymous No.19301423]

>>19292744
I admire the balls of this guy getting on a stage and talking about weight loss.

[Anonymous No.19301875]

>>19293088
>Be me
>257 and used to be 235
>Nothing is working like it used to
>Fuck it, I'm doing keto
>4 days later lost 7 lbs
Holy fuck, I was sceptic at first, but this shit really does work.

[Anonymous No.19302236]

>>19301875
Water weight and hairloss. Your body is dying.

[Anonymous No.19302242]

>>19302236
k

[Anonymous No.19302256]

>>19292754 >>19293363 >>19293937 >>19294651 >>19295856 >>19295949 >>19296831 >>19298952 >>19301372

It's like 5th grade physics hasn't been attended.

[Anonymous No.19302265]

>>19292744
If you want to sell diets to fat people, you have to be fat so they know you're legit and can sympathize with them.

Never mind the illogical nature of this. Fat people aren't logical.

[Anonymous No.19302384]

>>19296527
In 5 months of keto I've lost 3 inches of belly fat.

[Anonymous No.19302704]

>>19292744
I lost 50 lbs on Keto a couple years ago....Went off it and immediately put on 20 lbs. Still do intermittent fasting and try to stay away from the bread.
To stay on Keto you have to strictly watch your macros and use an app like Myfitnesspal to count your calories and make sure you're in a calorie deficit.

[Anonymous No.19302899]

>>19302384
So?

[Anonymous No.19303496]

>>19302704
I did keto for 1 year and my hair fell out and I gained all the weight back. I lost almost all of my muscle and now I get splitting headaches constantly. My brain doesn't seem to work as good as before I did keto.
2/10 don't recommend.

[Anonymous No.19303500]

>>19303496
Me no ur pain. Me done did keto an I become retard. Too plus too ekwulz seben

[Anonymous No.19303530]

There's many factors to obesity and childhood obesity in America causes people to be fat.
The problem is high fat dense foods like you see in fast food, combined with empty calories in soda(americans drink a SHIT ton of soda).
I know, I used to drink it. You can drink a 2L in an hour and a half and not even feel it, You just piss it out, no nutritional value.

It's almost like if you combine high fatty high density calorie foods with empty liquid high calorie sugars, you end up being on a 500 cal surplus pretty easily everyday WOW.
500x365=182,500/3500=52lbs a year. Wow you just gained 52lbs x 5 years now you are a fat sack of shit.

Compare that to drinking water(0 calories) and eating two bananas in the morning for breakfast(210), 800 calorie lunch and 800 calorie dinner and you're still at a deficit of 200 calories.

Japanese don't get fat because they eat whole grain carbs and natural foods, as well as tea that is a low calorie beverage with lots of water and they do this from childhood.

Not to mention the 200-400 calories japs burn walking/biking or going to the office everyday.

[Anonymous No.19304015]

>>19302899
So you can change your diet to remove carbs but otherwise eat until you are full and lose weight without any other changes in your life.
For someone with a weight loss goal that's a very strong result that is impossible to replicate on anything other than a starvation diet for 5 months.

[Anonymous No.19304020]

>>19292744
No.

[Anonymous No.19304021]

>>19303530
>ombined with empty calories in soda
Does filling up calories change them to somehow not make you far?
The only thing you are likely to get from lots of calories that are also bringing along lots of nutrients and minerals is pissing most of of it down the toilet if it doesn't just outright make you sick.

[Anonymous No.19304022]

>CARBS BAD
God I am looking forward to when this wank is debunked in 7 years and I don't have to hear morons shouting it literally every time food is mentioned in conversation.

[Anonymous No.19304128]

>>19293363
show me 7 (seven) debunks.

[Anonymous No.19304230]

>>19300412
>without suffering the side effects.
dude what fucking side effects?

[Anonymous No.19304232]

>>19301875
>>Nothing is working like it used to
dude eat less calories and workout more. Track the food you eat like someone without braindamage.

[Anonymous No.19304358]

>>19304230
if someone is insulin resistant, carbs spike their blood sugar, which can cause permanent damage to parts of the body like the eyes, nerves, kidneys and blood vessels.

[Anonymous No.19304412]

literally just walk 30 minutes a day, fatty

[Anonymous No.19304752]

>>19304022
Base

[Anonymous No.19305072]

>>19302256
it works on my machine, 2 years ago I was around 102kg, in around half a year by changing eating habits a bit, adding regular workout and cutting only a bit on things like sweets and snacks I got to 82kg, now over the next year and a half got to 77kg despite not really cutting on anything, if only eating slightly smaller portions and working out 3-4 times a week while having sitting job and sedentary lifestyle overall besides those work out session, you literally have to be retarded or have some kind of disease to not being able to lose weight if you set your mind to it

[Anonymous No.19305729]

>>19300412
>and I thank Keto for that
Well it wasnt keto that reversed your insulin resistance, it was the weight loss. Keto actually makes it worse if compared to a balanced diet isocaloricallt

[Anonymous No.19305887]

>>19292748
It's true. But losing weight doesn't mean being healthy, otherwise anorexics would be the picture of health, instead of being gross skeletons that struggle to lift their 24pack of Diet Coke.

neither the obese nor the anorexic has a healthy relationship with food.

[Anonymous No.19306080]

>>19296831
>reductionism to self control isn't particularly helpful
Yeah that is true, it's really about changing your eating habits and that can be really hard

[Anonymous No.19306096]

>>19305729
>Keto actually makes it worse if compared to a balanced diet isocaloricallt
proofs?

[Anonymous No.19306242]

>>19292744
In the short run, sure. But after four weeks on keto, you'll become too sensitive to glucose, and balloon up. That's why you need to actually work out in order to lose weight and keep it off. You can also cycle your extreme diets, like you can do keto for 3 weeks, then switch to a classic bodybuilder "oatmeal-chicken-rice-broccoli" diet for a few weeks.

Diets like Atkins, low-carb, and slow-carb are more sustainable than keto.

[Anonymous No.19306694]

>>19296527
I lost 70lbs in two months of keto. It works, espwcially in cases of extreme obesity, but it take discipline to maintain like any change of lifestyle does.

[Anonymous No.19306727]

>>19306242
i hear after 2 months on keto you become more susceptible to spontaneous combustion

[Anonymous No.19306746]

>>19306694
>I lost 70lbs by cutting calories

[Anonymous No.19307130]

>>19306746
You're sub 80 IQ.

[Anonymous No.19307301]

>>19307130
Nothing I said was wrong buddy

[Anonymous No.19307584]

>another thread full of anti-keto faggotry
Honestly if it get results who cares what people believe about their diet? There's as much evidence against it as there is for it anyways. If you think keto is bad, I know people who think low-salt diets result in weight loss. That can't even hope to make logical sense, while keto makes sense on the grounds of cutting carbs always being good. Carbs are unnecessary calories. If it works then let people do it.
t. Lost 100 pounds while doing keto

[Anonymous No.19307631]

>>19302256
>it's the midwit who thinks he's the smartest guy in the thread again

Go ahead and count every calorie you consume and compare it against an ESTIMATED out value. Anyone with a fucking brain is just going to cut out the soda and goyslop. You're not accounting for the fact that in ketosis the body will break down your fat to get energy to use. Or really anything complex at all, because that's probably too much for you to think about. Come back when you have a formula that includes the hundred factors that could affect your TDEE.

[Anonymous No.19307635]

>>19307631
break down extra fat specifically to use in place of glucose*

[Ketoschizo Alert No.19308148]

>>19307584
>>19307631

[Anonymous No.19308277]

>reddit sugar schizo is now shitting up multiple boards

[Anonymous No.19308431]

>>19308148
First-hand anecdotal evidence is the highest form of evidence to the individual. Get over it.
80% of scientific studies in the past 30 years cannot be reproduced. Almost all "research" is performed by staff at research universities who are obligated to produce papers, regardless of their merit, to keep their positions and justify funding. Your religion is a lie.

[Anonymous No.19308444]

>>19308277
>this is the person demanding universal healthcare
I refuse to support it simply because I don't want to foot the bill for fatties.

[Anonymous No.19308628]

>>19308277
>Doesn't even bother to stir the sugar.

[Anonymous No.19308648]

>>19292748
It acrually has nothing to do with weight loss, it's all a crapshoot. Nutrition 'science' is not based on any fact whatsoever and humans only need to eat intuitively to maintain their homeostasis. Now if you'll excuse me I have to take my ozempic

[Anonymous No.19308654]

>>19301875
>I was septic at first
You might wanna get that looked at

[Anonymous No.19308664]

>>19308444
>>19308628

[Anonymous No.19308710]

>>19308654
thats what I get for being a phone fag.

[Anonymous No.19308917]

>>19305729
>Keto actually makes it worse if compared to a balanced diet isocaloricallt

Myself and all those who have reversed type 2 diabetes with it would say otherwise. Yes, you may be able to reverse it by weight loss, but that would require drastically reducing carb intake anyway. At that point you may as well do keto for a short while to speed up the process of healing

>>19304230
terrible acne due to oily skin caused by the high levels of insulin, groggyness, no energy, crashes as soon as a had a carb meal, never satiated and general bad health. Look up insulin resistance and learn about it

[Anonymous No.19308937]

>>19308917
Its like you didnt even read my post

[Anonymous No.19308946]

>>19308917
>but that would require drastically reducing carb intake anyway.
Except it wouldn't.
Pic related ate only pure table sugar, fruit, and fruit juice and reversed all their diseases. Maybe you should think before speaking about things you know nothing about.

[Anonymous No.19308987]

>>19308277
Gotta love how many of you think this is real, not some dumbass tiktok meme.

[Anonymous No.19309506]

>>19293088
I’m an anti keto shill but a lb is about 3600 calories. Not eating for a day would burn less than a lb of day. You lost mostly water weight.

[Anonymous No.19310605]

>>19308946
lol

[Anonymous No.19310743]

>>19308987
you give mental illness too much credit

[Anonymous No.19311800]

>>19292748
This
There are people who lost weight while eating Mcdnalds or other junk food

[Anonymous No.19311963]

>>19292744
You can solve the diet games by picking one or two regions: Japanese or Mediterranean diets. Got one? Ok cool. Now do OMAD, choosing recipes from one of these regions. Enjoy your svelte physique. Inb4
>Instructions unclear I doordash'd 40 dollars in Popeye's chicken (it is the shiznit)

[Anonymous No.19311970]

>>19311963
Dumb esl poster

[Anonymous No.19311980]

>>19311970
You mean smart. I'm not that anon but honestly that's probably the smartest comment I've ever read in my 3 hours on this site (I am from the Roblox Forums).

[Anonymous No.19312433]

>>19296831
Thats like saying "alcoholism isnt an individual probem..." Yea it is, it may be other things too but it is.

[Anonymous No.19312439]

>>19292779
>Keto is good you just have to do it forever, for the rest of your life
lol

[Anonymous No.19312449]

>>19292744
It's a good short term diet when you need to adjust to a dramatic cut in caloric intake. When in ketosis it's very easy to feel fine eating 1500cal or less.

[Anonymous No.19312453]

>>19293009
This is all correct. Hell I'm not full Keto but I am doing high-protein/low carb, but the moment I go near something high-carb I instantly gain 1kg and it takes a week to get back to where I was.

[Anonymous No.19312454]

>>19305887
Ya but if your typical schlub starts honestly counting calories (not even macros) hes gonna be driven real quick towards vegetables and lean proteins and away from sugary condiments oil and refined grains.

[Anonymous No.19313337]

>>19292744
Worked for me, I lost about 50lbs. The trade off is that you're buying more expensive food, not getting as much out of a meal when eating out, and can't have most things you enjoy. Not eating potatoes was probably the worst part.

[Anonymous No.19313493]

>>19312453
>but the moment I go near something high-carb I instantly gain 1kg
Yes, topping off your glycogen will do that

[Anonymous No.19313521]

>>19302256
the human metabolic system does not treat all substances equally, not all nutrients are equally bioavailable to the human digestive system.

>>19300020
It's absolutely possible to control how people eat. Make nutrient poor, calorie dense pseudofood more expensive via excise taxes and less available through regulations. Obesity is mostly a food system problem. Companies have perverted science to make hyperpalatable food that is functionally addictive, much easier to prepare and more widely available than real food.

All that aside, the issue with keto is pseudoketo retards who think slopping bacon and cheese on everything makes it keto or who eat 'keto' goyslop or who eat meat slathered in sugar sauce. Thermodynamics still applies if you eat like a pig. Keto as actually prescribed is a diet full of greens and meat, only dipping into fat enough to meet caloric needs which can't be met without either fat or carbohydrates. The point is that for MOST people a diet high in fibrous plants, protein and fat makes them feel fuller than eating the equivalent calories in carbs. But there are plenty of keto friendly foods that are also objectively terrible for you.

I think a prolonged state of ketosis is also pretty unhealthy, so really it's just a cutting diet imo.

[Anonymous No.19313566]

>>19292748
Fat person here. You are absolutely correct. I do think mental illness plays in to why people are fat myself included, but you still are right. Ketofags are literally giving themselves liver damage for a fad diet.

[Anonymous No.19314079]

I feel like diet is just one piece of the puzzle. A lot of us are straight up miserable. We have been spoiled, misguided, lied to, disappointed, manipulated, not taught discipline or what it means to be a man. Fat bodies reflect an unkempt spirit. A less capable person.

[Anonymous No.19314082]

I wish it was easier for people to see how fucking good exercise feels and how crucial it is to not let yourself go. It's like the whole point of living. Yet we don't even touch on this at school

[Anonymous No.19314122]

Bread is yummy

[Anonymous No.19314126]

>>19299720
fatfuck logic is hilarious, whenever someone talks about losing fat in a specific part of the body you know they're a fucking fat retard

[Anonymous No.19314158]

>>19292744
Meme diet but apparently works for some.
If someone loses bunch of weight trough it and gets to live much healthier life who am I to say no.

[Anonymous No.19314722]

>>19303530
What whole grain carbs do you think japs eat you fucking retard?