For casual wine drinkers

[Anonymous No.18550343]

Have you ever had a really expensive bottle of wine (hundreds or thousands of $$ per bottle)and can you tell any significant difference in taste from typical store bought wine? What makes it different?

[Anonymous No.18550346]

>>18550343
nah it's all fake, bro, trust me
>*opens up another can of Monster*

[Anonymous No.18550521]

>>18550343
Yes. Expensive wine from a good vintage is something everyone should experience. The difficulty arises when you have no reference point to understand how good the wine you're enjoying actually is, so have a few cheap bottles of the same style before popping that 1500 dollar 1082 mouton rothschild.

[Anonymous No.18550524]

>>18550521
1982*

[Anonymous No.18550561]

>>18550343
Château d'Yquem is fucking awesome any vintage

[Anonymous No.18550590]

a lot of wines hit a brown spot where the flavors close down for a few years and then gradually come back over time
a lot of wines also require 8-24 hours of decanting to really show their all, especially big bordeaux
I remember having a 2003 Lafite at a friend's house whose parents were both lawyers, was extremely earthy for the first few hours but by the time the meal was over the wine was singing

The "there's no difference" cope has always been false, but the diminishing returns cutoff is obvious. I'll pay 300 dollars for a bottle but I doubt I will ever spend 1200 unless I become so wealthy that money is of no concern

[Anonymous No.18550614]

>>18550343
Dry wines? Absolutely not.
Sweet wines? To some extent.
However going from a dessert sweet wine to an ice wine is actually night and day.
As a kid I always assumed that wine would taste like raisins since those are aged grapes. I once had a vintage ice wine that taste like a delicious raisin and currant mixture and I've never been able to find it again.

[Anonymous No.18550627]

Any ice wine > your overpriced piece of shit red boutique bottle filled with regular red wine and mixed with fairy tales of heritage and how the owner personally ejaculated into the batch 20 years ago.

[Anonymous No.18550637]

I've had a few napa meme cabs (opus one, montelena estate cab) and they were good but I wouldn't ever buy them, because I don't make mid-six figures or more. Also I just don't find that style of wine as interesting as your average boomer.

Also I really have no idea what "typical store bought wine" means, I'm usually drinking wines in the $20-30 per bottle range, maybe up to $75 for a splurge, but I'm fairly picky, if I went to a random shop and spent $20 on a random bottle it would probably be mediocre. But yes compared to my $20-30 wines, those fancy meme wines are different, just not different in a way that justifies the price, for my poorfag spending limits.

[Anonymous No.18550646]

>>18550521
If I need to have cheap stuff in order to appreciate the expensive stuff then how good can the expensive stuff really be?

[Anonymous No.18550672]

>>18550627
If I wanted spicy sugar water I'd just eat out your sister's drippy cunt anon

[Anonymous No.18550677]

>>18550343
Yes it very noticeable even for untrained palates

[Anonymous No.18550800]

>>18550343
could you just
>>18550779

[Anonymous No.18550808]

>>18550646
You'll appreciate the expensive stuff, but you won't be able to fully appreciate it without good reference. It's like that with basically everything.

If you got a 1982 mouton rothschild with perfect provenance and had it with a simple, but well paired meal you would understand how incredible it is.

[Anonymous No.18550842]

To connoisseurs, what would you say is a wine that's actually worth buying?

[Anonymous No.18551024]

>>18550842
Anything you enjoy from a great vintage.

[Anonymous No.18551032]

There can be good wines. Some expensive wines are actually really good.
However, most expensive wines are garbage and only exist for people to flex with. The whole wine tasting shit is genuinely just a way for rich fucks with more money than taste to pretend like they're cultured.

[Anonymous No.18551056]

>>18550842
Cos D'estournel, Leoville Las Cases, or Pontet Canet for bordeaux, minimum 10 years old, but better around 20.
Charles Heidseik and Egly Ouriet for champagne
For california, all of Ridge's wines are superb QPR, their monte bello is expensive but also way better than most of the ultra-luxury cali shit
Australia, Clarendon Hills and Ben Glaetzer
All of the great values in burgundy are gone unfortunately

[Anonymous No.18551147]

>>18550842
Earthquake Cabernet Sauvignon. Should be about $25 ($23 on wine dot com). Lodi California. off-dry, notes of fucking blueberry cobbler. Incredible and affordable.

[Anonymous No.18551164]

>>18550842
>>18551147
Also would suggest Stag's Leap Wine Cellars' "Karia." It's a chardonnay, Napa Valley California. Should be about $30, and is damn fine for the price point. It's just as good as chardonnays 3x the price. Famous and reputable producer too. They're more known for their cabernet sauvignon naturally, but their cheapest cabernet line goes for around $75 these days.

[Anonymous No.18551182]

>>18551056
>mfw $350 only gets you a halfway decent burgundy

[Anonymous No.18551193]

>>18551056
you can buy the same shit made with the same kind of grape with the same equipment in the same style for a fraction of the price. Dont even pretend that you can taste the mineral makeup of the terroir's soil because you can't. Its all the same you retarded homo

[Anonymous No.18551200]

>>18551193
Terroir matters a bit. What matters more IMO is the Aeroir lel. A good French pinot noir is exquisite. It's a delicate grape, very sensitive to temperature. You can make good stuff in California, but there's only a tiny tiny bit of land where that's possible. France I think holds the title for pinot noirs. That said I don't really prefer them anyway. I like my napa cabs and chards above all else.

[Anonymous No.18551203]

>>18551193
>>18551200
Not the anon you responded to btw. I hate boards without thread IDs. You're either forced to namefag or just spit into the void

[Anonymous No.18551239]

>>18550343
If I had to put it into words, they go down like oil, are much more fragrant and have a more complex but better taste than the sweet or sour piss they ship in cheap bottles.
This also applies to better store wine already however and I doubt anyone but the most autistic sommeliers can really taste the difference between 10$ and 100$ wine.
Anything above just sounds like insanity for the sake of prestige and brand to me.

[Anonymous No.18551282]

The most you’ll ever traverse the quality scale is from $8 to $30, because you’re going from gasoline to something that actually pairs with & complements food. Everything above that is a game played by fags who get off on drinking hundreds of dollars at a time.

[Anonymous No.18551294]

>>18550521
this is good advice, i wouldnt have thought of this myself, so appreciate you mentioning it. i bought a nice bottle of wine for christmas dinner with my parents, but they arent huge wine drinkers, so going with something a little cheaper first for reference is a great idea.

[Anonymous No.18551295]

>>18551193
wine is an agricultural product
I don't buy shit apples from aldi because they taste like shit
there are obvious differences in quality between a 6 dollar and a 60 dollar bottle of wine from the same region

[Anonymous No.18551312]

>>18551294
If you want to go the extra mile with that idea look for cheaper bottles from the same region and the same year.

[Anonymous No.18551313]

>>18551282
Do mean at 8$ it starts becoming good?
Because the gasoline starts at 1.50€ here and it becomes mediocre around 4€.

[Anonymous No.18551339]

>>18551313
It's poorfag cope, don't entertain the lad.

[Anonymous No.18551815]

>>18551282
Not true. There is just as stark a difference between $75-100 range and the $25-40 range. But yes the cheapest wines are all bad deals. Consider the cost of the labor, production, bottles, the cork, the transportation, and retail cut. If you're spending $5 on a bottle the liquid inside is probably worth pennies. If you go from $5 to $10 you aren't doubling the quality of the wine, you're increasing it exponentially. All the production process is relatively the same, but the quality of the liquid rises.

[Anonymous No.18552805]

>>18551024
Bro I wouldn't have asked if I knew what all the best chateaus were

I mean something that's not a $500+ Montrachet or Mouton, while also not being a $30 bottle of shit priced simply because it says Napa or Sonoma on it.

[Anonymous No.18552827]

dude it's all just rotten grape juice containing a toxic carcinogen. why the fuck anyone would pay hundreds of dollars for this is beyond me. I would pay NOT to drink this crap. It's a toxic drug, like literally it kills your brain cells and causes cancer. If you drink it while pregnant your baby can come out fucked up and retarded or even die in your womb.

[Anonymous No.18552839]

>>18552827
Lol whatever pussy

[Anonymous No.18552872]

There where experiments done where expert wine tasters were given box wine and told it's some one the most luxurious brands from across Europe.
And they believed it, they really fucking did, CLOWNS.

[Anonymous No.18552895]

>>18550343
I find expensive wine isn't commonly to my taste because 95% of the time I drink relatively cheap wine. It just goes way out of my comfortable wheelhouse so I don't really enjoy it for what it is. A paired meal would probably do wonders but paying for both the expensive bottle and the meal in the same place isn't for my social class. Might be a worth it if I know it's wonderfully good before somehow.

[Anonymous No.18552912]

>>18552827
Imagine not CHOOSING what will give you cancer which coincidentally also brings you joy rather than waiting around getting random ass cancer or skin cancer because you WILL get some kind of cancer eventually.

[Anonymous No.18552918]

>>18550343

The only noticeable difference I found between a $150 bottle of wine and a $10 bottle of wine was the headache that ensued from the check at the end of the meal

[Anonymous No.18552930]

>>18552872
Is there a link to it?
I've also seen the video of a guy drinking 2 Bordeaux, one $15 and one $900 and was able to tell the expensive one was actually more expensive even though they were both high quality.

[Anonymous No.18553110]

>>18552872
Horseshit I'm just an alcoholic and can tell boxwine from even just average store wine never mind pricey stuff.
You never tasted either if you believe that or are one of the fags that finds alcohol icky anyway.

[Anonymous No.18553201]

>>18552930
>>18553110
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_wine_tasting%23:~:text%3DSome%2520blinded%2520trials%2520among%2520wine,tasters%2520to%2520judge%2520wines%2520consistently.&ved=2ahUKEwjuq-HBwpz7AhU7TjABHZgDDGkQFnoECA8QBQ&usg=AOvVaw1xrybL68mOzHXWR1wYtTue
Theres other links but this is good enough.

[Anonymous No.18553245]

>wine thread on /ck/
mah niggas

[Anonymous No.18553292]

>>18552805
Pick a wine reviewer and go off his ratings. Their scores are generally pretty great and look at wines for what they are more than basing their score off every wine from that style. So a $50 dollar bottle can have a 98 point score and a $500 can have a 98 point score.

[Anonymous No.18553297]

>>18550521
>1082
lol, turn into that gray guy from prometheus

[Anonymous No.18553299]

>>18553201
>The inexpensive wines cost less than £5 per bottle, and the expensive ones were priced between £10 and £30
There is far less of a difference between a £5-30 range than a £30-100, or even £1000+ range
Also,
>Psychologist Prof Richard Wiseman

[Anonymous No.18553303]

>>18550590
>I doubt I will ever spend 1200
not even 1x in your life?

[Anonymous No.18553353]

>>18553299
>>18553201
What are these prices? Even in the rest of this thread people throw prices around 10-30 like it's normal, you can get a 1.5l box of "table"wine (horsepiss) for 1-2€ in central Europe, normal Store Brand stuff that can even be pretty decent especially if you happen to like the grape is about 5ish.
Of course you can get high priced quality wine for over 100 even 1000 but when somebody in France or Germany talks about expensive wine outside of wedding gifts or some shit they mean 10€

[Anonymous No.18553363]

>>18550343
There is a difference but if you don't have a developed sense for it you will not appreciate the difference in quality and will just be wasting money.
Local wine stores will do tastings. Sign up for one and get what you like. Starting off you may find you like the cheep $5 bottles the most. Bottles past the $20-30 range the average person isn't going to be able to tell the difference.

[Anonymous No.18553981]

>>18550343
Yes. Old, expensive wine is sweet and it has very little taste of alcohol. One Sauternes wine I had tasted like apples, grapes, honey, and cinnamon. A 100-year old port wine that I had tasted like very pleasant, silky, smooth, grape juice. Tasting those two wines made me completely abandon regular wine. I don't even consider buying regular wine anymore.

[Anonymous No.18553992]

>>18550343
i had a 450 dollar bottle a few christmas' ago and it tasted literally like welchs grape juice

[Anonymous No.18553997]

>>18550614
I had a similar experience with ice wine. I tried a Canadian ice wine at a wine trade show and it blew my mind. It was the best wine I ever had (until I started drinking Sauternes) but I don't remember what it was called and I can't find it.

[Anonymous No.18554003]

>>18553997
Try a good bottle of german ice wine. Donhoff is an outstanding winery to get a bottle from if you can afford it.

>>18553992
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.18554080]

>>18550842
Folk and Fable Red Blend. It finishes aging on bourbon barrels so it’s really smoky but still smooth.

[Anonymous No.18554110]

>>18550343
I've had a bottle made from wild grapes. it was expensive. tasted like port.

[Anonymous No.18554140]

>>18554080
Nigga that shit is like drinking sandpaper and washing it down with vodka and Franks Red Hot sauce.

[Anonymous No.18554554]

>>18550343
You think I drink wine for it's taste, and not to get fucked up as quickly as possible? Retard.

[Anonymous No.18554764]

>>18553303
Maybe if I get rich off crypto or achieve something significant I'll drop that kind of money
most I've spent thus far is 650 dollars on a bottle
The thing is, if you want superlative bordeaux, chateau haut brion can be had for 600 dollars rather than 1000+ that latour/lafite/petrus command, even mouton is sub-1000

[Anonymous No.18554774]

>>18554764
Good mouton is usually over 1k

[Anonymous No.18554802]

>>18552827
>it kills your brain cells
That's a myth. Alcohol doesn't harm your brain. If you're a chronic alcoholic with a very poor diet, over time you will have B vitamins stripped from your body which causes brain trauma. That's Wernicke's disease. The solution is to either not eat a piss poor diet, or take a multivitamin. And I do mean piss poor, if you have one Monster or other energy drink per week you will always be loaded up on b vitamins. If you eat enriched breads or pastas, you will be loaded up on b vitamins.

[Anonymous No.18554809]

>>18553992
You can go to the store and buy a bottle of concord grape juice, shave some off the top, throw your yeast and a cup of sugar in there, shake it up, put an airlock on it, and wait two weeks.

You will have a delicious wine with good residual sugars that has a nice maybe 9-10% alcohol and tastes like grape juice.

[Anonymous No.18554834]

>>18554140
If you’re a bitch, yes.

[Anonymous No.18554883]

>>18554774
the 2016s are still under 1k, but yes any first growth in its drinking window will run you a grand unless you're buying at an estate/charity auction

[Anonymous No.18555146]

>>18553997
Sauternes is awesome. I had a cheap bottle last Halloween and I’ve been dying for some since.

[Anonymous No.18555904]

>>18554834
>Hey Schlomo, what are we gonna do with this shitty wine?
>Put it in burbon barrels. The goyim will love it!

[Anonymous No.18557462]

I always mix my red wine with coke. Haven't noticed much difference between the cheap and the expensive stuff.