/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.17576297]

I grew up in Argentina in a Gaucho region where eating meat is 100% of what we do every day all the time.

No one here is a faggot about meat doneness and most people eat well done meat because it still remains juicy and it has a nice char on it.

Now some american "steak house" retard culture is seeping in and people are starting to whine if their meat is not bleeding.

What the fuck did retard americans and europeans do to the simple art of eating meat? Even Anthony bourdain said some shit like "argentinians like to burn their meat". Are you that fucking retarded? We literally invented barbecue as people know it.

[Anonymous No.17576301]

>>17576297
>well done meat
>still remains juicy
Nah.

[Anonymous No.17576305]

[Anonymous No.17576312]

>>17576297
As a Brazilian this man is lying. Argentinians (like everyone in this region) eats the meat medium rare to medium.

[Anonymous No.17576318]

>>17576297
Cultural degradation's always bad, but in NA/UK etc it comes down to preparation. How thick are the cuts you're talking about? What type of cuts are they? We don't have communal BBQs in the UK that help with cooking well done meat in any cut in a way that retains moisture

[Anonymous No.17576354]

>>17576297
Imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.17576384]

>>17576297
You're being deliberately polemic. You're not wrong, but you're not right either. I've spent some time in your nation and while your asados are incredible, they do tend to limit themselves a bit and let the chimichurri do too much of the work. Thankfully the meat is generally of such high quality that it doesn't matter. It's just one style though, and there's nothing wrong with preferring it. Do try out some more of the out-of-the-way BBQ available in the USA should you ever visit. And fuck eat grilled riñones, that's awful no matter what. Like eating mushy sand mixed with congealed blood.

Now what I really, really need is a good source of empanadas (I so miss getting those delivered in BsAs) and especially alfajores. And the great wine being so readily available. Your coffee culture is also underrecognized, but that can be said of many Latin American countries other than Colombia.

[Anonymous No.17576396]

>>17576297
We're taking it back

[Anonymous No.17576417]

>>17576384
>especially alfajores
What were your favorites? Some are getting exported nowadays.
>really need is a good source of empanadas
Yeah that one is tough. I have not been able to find good empanadas abroad either. Only way is knowing some argentinian grandparents living outside or something.

[Anonymous No.17576418]

>>17576297
>We literally invented barbecue as people know it.
true nobody ever thought of putting meat over coals until argentina was colonised

[Anonymous No.17576425]

>>17576417
I didn't get to sample a wide variety, but I have to say Havanna.
There's a Peruvian woman selling empanadas here but I'm skeptical. Every time I've tried empanadas since it's just not as good. Something about the crust.

[Anonymous No.17576448]

>>17576297
Here they sell my mom "bacio", "entraña". And at least for now I much rather get a thick traditional cut of french or galician beef. Also the chimichurri I've tasted was not really enjoyable, I look to actually taste a nice steak's natura lfavor.

[Anonymous No.17576484]

>>17576297
well done meat is common in pleb cultures used to having only poor quality meat around, high tier beef can be eaten even raw

[Anonymous No.17576539]

>>17576297
>No one here is a faggot about meat
Says the guy being a faggot about meat.

[Anonymous No.17577015]

inventing something, if even true, doesn't mean you're good at it. try not to use fallacies while complaining to strangers online.

[Anonymous No.17577025]

>>17576297
>No one here is a faggot about meat doneness and most people eat well done meat because it still remains juicy and it has a nice char on it.
Obscenely fucking based.

[Anonymous No.17577052]

>>17576297
>Be Argentinian
>Think you're the emperor of all meats and your word holds any weight
Sad! Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.17577089]

I'm sorry feminized, latinxified america is ruining your culture.

[Anonymous No.17577102]

>>17576297
mad props yo. word up.

[Anonymous No.17577110]

>>17576301
if you know how to cook it does

[Anonymous No.17577131]

>>17576297

Bug eating monkey with a bowl cut is bullied out of the rain forest onto the plains. White people takes pity and give them a cow. Only reason you eat the meat well done is because your brain is too slow to remove the meat in time

[Anonymous No.17577511]

>>17576297
WAAAAHHHHHH! America has improved another cuisine!!! waaaaaahhhh!~!

[Anonymous No.17577514]

>>17576297
i wouldn't eat that "meat" if you put a gun to my head

[Anonymous No.17577527]

>>17577514
I would.

[Anonymous No.17577534]

>>17576297
Well done is better, people who claim to like the less flavor rare parts are lying brainwashed normies

[Anonymous No.17577553]

>>17577514
I would eat all of it

[Anonymous No.17577794]

>a groucho region

[Anonymous No.17578169]

>>17576301
well done meat is still juicy as long as it's not cooked past the point where it just reaches well done. also most people know you can braise ribs or tough cuts of meat for hours and they'll still be juicy, so i'm not sure why you'd think it's impossible.

[Anonymous No.17578187]

>>17576297
>We literally invented barbecue as people know it.
lol you guys are so full of yourselves it hilarious.

[Anonymous No.17578188]

>>17576484
any meat can be eaten raw as long as enough care is taken during raising and butchering. farmed pork can be safely eaten less than well done but i think it still has a worse texture. people who have tried raw chicken in japan where it can be completely safe have said the texture is pretty bad too.

[Anonymous No.17578257]

Different cuts of meat, longer cooking times, etc

[Anonymous No.17578298]

>>17577110
I've seen this repeated here so many times and it's such bullshit. That's just not how meat works. Well done literally means cooking out all the moisture. There's no such thing as a "juicy well done steak".

[Anonymous No.17578322]

>>17577110
if it's juicy then it ain't well done.

[Anonymous No.17579064]

>>17576297
is that anthony bourdain?

[Anonymous No.17579068]

>>17577514
what do you mean by "meat"?

[Anonymous No.17579070]

>>17576484
cope

[Anonymous No.17579082]

>>17576312
lol no, we eat it charred and if it has the slightest hint of pink we throw a hissy fit about it

[Anonymous No.17579086]

>>17578298
>Well done literally means cooking out all the moisture.
No it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.17579101]

>>17576297
That is bullshit, I have lived the Gaucho life in Rio Grande, Uruguay and Argentina, whether Churrasco or Asado they cook fatty or chewy cuts like matambre or costela well done but generally prefer medium rare with most liking their higher quality cuts like entrecot bloody and consider well done to be overcooked.

[Anonymous No.17579117]

dude, you werent the first persons to think about using different wood, or smoke, to cook meat your way

[Anonymous No.17579119]

>>17576297
I got cancer just from looking at that picture

[Anonymous No.17579126]

>>17579117
I was raised on a ranch in the US, beef is my life, and I can honestly say that the gauchos have the best grilling culture. They're still living life in the 19th century out on the Frontera.

[Anonymous No.17579158]

>>17579126
anon. if you can cook with fire then you know that yours' is the best. there's no need to brag.

[Anonymous No.17579182]

The doneness of your steak depends on the fat content. A leaner piece of meat can (and should) be rarer. You want to brown the outside while rendering the fat on the inside (more fat needs more time to render), and minimizing loss of juice. When you cook a steak to well done, you denature the proteins more than necessary, and end up hemorrhaging juice. Just look at picrel. Plus, the crust ends up burned instead of browned.

https://www.seriouseats.com/food-lab-complete-guide-to-sous-vide-steak

[Anonymous No.17579244]

>>17579119
What's wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.17579292]

>>17579244
Advanced glycation end products (AGEs). Will fuck up every organ in your body and make your skin sag and wrinkle like shit once you're over 30.
Also acrylamide, soot (i.e. the stuff that caused boy chimney sweeps to die of ball cancer before they even hit puberty), trans fats, excess heme iron, etc.
You couldn't pay me enough to make me eat that shit. If you want to eat meat then boil it or at the very least don't burn the shit out of it.

[Anonymous No.17579303]

>we've done it wrong for ages therefore it's right
retarded logic

[Anonymous No.17579315]

>>17576297
This is the definition of a 3rd world post and poster

[Anonymous No.17579319]

>>17579292
>trans fats
meat doesn't have trans fat you retard

>If you want to eat meat then boil it or at the very least don't burn the shit out of it.
hey aren't you the same vegayn from this thread >>17579108

[Anonymous No.17579397]

>>17579319
Same guy, yeah. Not vegan though. Picrel is what I'm eating as I type. Semi-cooked spinach, onion, mushroom, yoghurt, and some bread. I will outlive all you faggots and look good while doing so.

>meat doesn't contain trans fats
The trans fats are created when you roast the piss out of it, hence my advice to cook at lower temperatures.

[Anonymous No.17579422]

>>17579319
I eat lamb liver. I buy fresh sardines, gut them by hand, and eat everything except the spine (the head is the best bit). But I'm definitely vegan because I don't advocate for some neanderthal meat-only ketofag diet which literally began as a meme to 'own' vegans.

[Anonymous No.17579427]

>>17576418
>coals
>BBQ
barbecue is smoked in a WOOD fire, fyi.

[Anonymous No.17579457]

>>17579397
>I will outlive all you faggots and look good while doing so.
I'm sure you'll really enjoy fulfillment in your extended late 70s.

[Anonymous No.17579464]

>>17579397
why are cis fats better than trans fats, chud?

[Anonymous No.17579480]

>>17579464
Is anything trans actually good?

>>17579457
Fair point. In reality I don't want to live a long time - I just want to stay youthful my entire life, even if that's only another 40 years until I decide I've had enough. But with my genetics and lifestyle I could probably make it to 90.

[Anonymous No.17579485]

>>17576297
>barbecue
stop using words if you don't know what they mean

[Anonymous No.17579536]

>>17576297
>well done meat still remains juicy

[Anonymous No.17579702]

>>17576297
> We literally invented barbecue as people know it
I’m pretty sure Australians invented barbecue

[Anonymous No.17579710]

>>17576301
Cook it on high heat on the barbecue thay youre too much a sissy to use or own

[Anonymous No.17579714]

>>17577052
>Be american
>think you're the emperor of all discussion about other countries and your word holds any weight
Sad! Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.17579775]

>>17577794
kek
based marx brothers poster

[Anonymous No.17579782]

>>17579292
>>17579397
the only saggy skin is your mom's pussy lips

[Anonymous No.17579842]

>>17576297
>We literally invented barbecue as people know it.
This doesn't mean you did it competently at all. Argentinian cooking is miserable.

[Anonymous No.17579860]

>>17576318
Bump. Discussing meat doneness depends a lot on the quality and form of the meat

[Anonymous No.17580351]

>>17579710
Are you drunk?

[Anonymous No.17580354]

>>17579842
>Argentinian cooking is miserable.
Undeniably based

[Anonymous No.17580438]

>>17576297
Where do you think argies come from?

[Anonymous No.17580686]

>>17576297
>We literally invented barbecue as people know it.
And Americans perfected it.

[Anonymous No.17580718]

>>17576297
>No one here is a faggot about meat doneness and most people eat well done meat because if we didn't we'd all be dead from horrible third world shithole parasites
fixed :^)

[Anonymous No.17582132]

>>17576297
>Even Anthony bourdain said some shit like "argentinians like to burn their meat". Are you that fucking retarded? We literally invented barbecue as people know it.
Sounds more like you invented burning meat and then eating it anyway because you're a bunch of savages who don't know any better.

[Anonymous No.17582144]

>>17576301
You've never eaten properly BBQ'd ribs and brisket before?

[Anonymous No.17582517]

>>17582144
ribs and brisket are dry as fuck compared to a medium rare steak

[Anonymous No.17582585]

>>17576297
This faggot thinks they do BBQ better than the US. At best you come behind 3 different US styles of BBQ.

[Anonymous No.17582592]

>>17582517
Sounds like you've only had bad ribs/brisket. If they're actually slow cooked at under 250F like they should be then there isn't that much moisture loss.

[Anonymous No.17582595]

>>17576297
man, a tray of that would cost me half of my monthly wages here

[Anonymous No.17582647]

>>17582592
This is /ck/. There is a high probability that anon thinks Texas Roadhouse is proper BBQ and has never eaten any other type.

[Anonymous No.17582950]

>>17582144
Smoking at a low temperature for a long time is fundamentally different from searing a steak. Regardless, Brisket can still be overcooked or under-fatted and dry out.

[Anonymous No.17583357]

>>17582517
What the fuck are you talking about? Go back now

[Anonymous No.17583368]

>>17582144
You don't cook ribs and brisket over a flame. With low temperature cooking, like an oven you can bring meat to a higher temperature while retaining the moisture in these meats...by rendering the fat... vastly different than "argentinian barbecuing"

[Anonymous No.17583394]

>>17579422
>>17579397
found the vegan faggots

[Anonymous No.17583404]

>>17576384
Soy argentino y este yanqui tiene razon
there's no universal "well done" point for an asado. it gets its unique treatment depending on the specific cut as well as the size of the piece itself
are you making a whole costillar? you bet that boy is getting charred and cooked over a long time in order to render the fatty cap above it
is it a tough as fuck matambre? let it seethe over the coals until that fucker is chewable
vacio? a medium can work but if you let it sit on indirect heat for a good while it becomes butter that melts in your mouth and you won't give a shit about juices by that point
entraña, ojo de bife, picaña or some other steak-like cuts? those are better when you still leave a nice reddish pink on the inside, and in the case of entraña just sear it on a high heat and then let it rest for a while on a cooler spot of the grill so the juices get their shit together
and then there's pork or achuras, which are a completely different ballgame
OP is full of shit and just trying some /int/ tier shitflinging
also
>gaucho lifestyle promoter
>crying and shitting pants on the 4channels about cooking methods
get your shit together, kid

[Anonymous No.17583864]

>>17576301
>>17578322
>>17579536
>reddit memes told me well done was dry as a bone and as tough as a boot
no, but you might have to add some fat to it while cooking depending on the cut

[Anonymous No.17583868]

>>17576297
>We literally invented barbecue as people know it.
Even if that were true, do you think the guy who invented chess was the best player of all time?
Some cuts are better when you leave them red or pink in the middle. Just like some cuts benefit from aging.
This is not limited to beef either.

[Anonymous No.17583883]

Rare meat is easier to digest. By all means, stay constipated, retard.

[Anonymous No.17584052]

>>17576484
>having only poor quality meat around
bet you feel really smart right now for calling Argentinian beef shit, you fucking tard. I bet you think that you have an IQ of 130 but seethe about people who actually leave their desk for once and achieve something

[Anonymous No.17584060]

>Argentina
>basically German bastard country

Germans can’t cook. No wonder your food is shit. “Culinary arts”. Germans are too autistic to practice an art of any type

[Anonymous No.17584065]

>>17584060
Pretzels? Strudel? Bratwurst? Schnitzel? Sure, they’re no Italians, and they’re certainly not French, but Germans have some good dishes.

[Anonymous No.17584070]

>>17583883
Why is it easier to digest? I thought people always claimed cooking meat is what lead to big brains because it made it easier to digest.

[Anonymous No.17584116]

>>17584065
Polish food is way better
>>17584070
Because humans have been eating meat for thousands of years but cooked meat is recent

[Anonymous No.17584117]

>>17584116
>Because humans have been eating meat for thousands of years but cooked meat is recent
holy fucking brainlet

[Anonymous No.17584118]

>>17578298
>There's no such thing as a "juicy well done steak".
maybe learn how to properly prepare meat and not rush everything

[Anonymous No.17584122]

>>17584116
>Because humans have been eating meat for thousands of years but cooked meat is recent
Well apparently it was about two million years ago. Consuming milk only started happening about 10,000 years ago but a lot of humans have adapted to that already too, so it doesn't take as long as you might think.

[Anonymous No.17584130]

>>17584117
>>17584122
to add, raw meat is harder to digest than cooked because heat denaturalizes the proteins into easier to digest materials
it's the reason why animals have to take a huge ass nap after feasting on meat
when we discovered fire and applied to cooking we suddenly became able to be more active even after having a meal instead of laying on our belly like an anaconda

[Anonymous No.17584157]

>>17584130
An easy way to understand this is that heat gives off energy, this energy is working on the steak. All of that energy came from an outside source and your body won't need to use its own energy to receive the same/a similar result.

[Anonymous No.17584166]

>>17584122
>two million years ago
humans didn't exist two fucking million years ago, what the fuck is this shit? who the fuck wrote this absolute shit?

[Anonymous No.17584172]

>>17584122
>>17584166
Yeah, I thought they usually say more like a quarter million?

[Anonymous No.17584193]

>>17584166
>any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae characterized by superior intelligence, articulate speech, and erect carriage
Probably going by that definition which includes ancestors not considered "modern humans". But if they were cooking two million years ago it seems unlikely that we picked it up only recently.

[Anonymous No.17584197]

>>17584166
>t. cletus the creationist

[Anonymous No.17584199]

>>17584193
>>17584197
only homo sapiens has been able to use fire, homo sapiens appeared around 200 000 years ago.

[Anonymous No.17584208]

"well done" doesn't necessarily mean "the steak your mom charred to leather while getting drunk on the couch"

[Anonymous No.17584253]

>>17576297
Aren't also catholics ?

[Anonymous No.17584305]

>>17576312
talking out your ass. the restaurant in new zealand i worked at we had to teach an experienced argentine chef how to cook steak because everything is well done there. he'd never heard of such a thing as deliberately undercooked meat

[Anonymous No.17584310]

>>17584208
the cringe steak culture in america punsishes anyone who orders well done, from my kitchen experience, every well done steak that comes through the printer is laughed at and treated with disregard,

"they want a piece of shoe leather? ok then we'll give it to them"

they'll throw the steak in the pan then go out for a smoke sometimes

[Anonymous No.17584638]

>>17576297
i've heard that all gauchos are faggots so opinion discarded
go cross the border and fuck some big assed brazilian women, maybe you'll cure your bad taste in meat.

[Anonymous No.17585346]

>>17576297
Argentina is cool and gaucho culture is something i'd love to experience, but you people did not invent barbecue culture. You guys cook your meat all the way through, any documentary showing Argentine BBQ looks charred ans brown throughout.. is it still tasty? I don't fuckin know, I'm not there, but if the people there are starting to prefer it medium rare, maybe it's legitimately better that way.

I also wouldn't solely blame the Americans for this, everywhere else in the world seems to prefer pink meat. Isn't it more a leftover of gauchos cooking outside with handmade spits where you can't control the temperature enough to produce anything other than well done meat?

[Anonymous No.17585851]

>>17585346
what OP is fucking up is the following basic precept
asado culture is not the same and is not replaced by BBQ or Steakhouse culture
they are two completely different processes with completely unique charasteristics and results

[Anonymous No.17585861]

If I see pink I don't eat, enjoy your parasites I guess

[Anonymous No.17586051]

>>17579714
>Assume I'm American
Damn Americans really do live rent free in everyone else's head