Wine Thread

[Anonymous No.17534595]

A thread to discuss wine.

Just polished off this bottle of Caroline's I've been holding on to for about 18 months. Superb.

[Anonymous No.17534953]

Favorite wine regions?
Alto Adige patrician checking in

[Anonymous No.17534986]

I just spent about two grand on wines to my cellar. Now i just have to wait ten years

[Anonymous No.17535004]

>>17534986
The joy of cellaring wine. A gift for your future self. Something to keep you from becoming an alcoholic, so you can actually enjoy the wines after a decade of aging.

Got 4 bottles of 2001 dyquem I bought en primeur that I want to age out for like 40-60 years.

[Anonymous No.17535012]

>>17535004
Nice. I have to stay away from the fancy stuff or my fingers start to itch

[Anonymous No.17535020]

$12 Pinot Noir from Dan Murphy's you cunts

[Anonymous No.17535061]

>>17534986
>>17535004
I thought they stopped aging after bottling and that they only really age in casks?

[Anonymous No.17535077]

>>17535061
I dont know how you could possibly be this stupid.

[Anonymous No.17535082]

>>17535061
This is only sort of true for hard alcohol. Some eau de vie and mezcal producers age their spirits in glass for 10+ years.

Corks allow a small amount of oxygen to leak into the bottle and a bunch of other complex factors 100% allow wine to change and alter over time.

[Anonymous No.17535091]

>>17535061
i think thats more with whiskey
wine will age because its impure alcohol, and impurities will slowly change with time or drop out of suspension
these impurities being everything that isnt water or ethanol in wine, its the grape juice the skin particles, yeast, etc
that being said its better to age in a container than in a bottle so you can rack off the sediment
the purpose of aging whiskey is to let the flavors mix better and mellow out some, which happens over a shorter period of time, and to let the wood act like a tea bag to impart flavor and color

[Anonymous No.17535112]

Any appreciators of off-dry/semi-sweet wine?

[Anonymous No.17535119]

>>17535112
I do love a good spätlese

[Anonymous No.17535124]

>>17535112
Fuck yeah. Auslese, TBA, eiswein. My favorite actually. That goes into the sweet wine territory, but still. So delicious and approachable.

[Anonymous No.17535136]

if i like taylor fladgate port wine what other wines would i probably like?

[Anonymous No.17535181]

>>17534595
Italian, portuguese and spaniard wine. Buy the cheaper ones if you don't have money

[Anonymous No.17535203]

richfag winesnob here, will answer your questions

>>17535136
give madiera a try, similar profile but nuttier. Aim for Boal or Malmsey, as they tend to have a similar port-level sweetness

Also worth trying Vin Santo, Muscat de Beaune De Venise, Malaga, Black Muscat, and late harvest red wines

[Anonymous No.17535223]

>>17535203
What's the best cheap plonk?

[Anonymous No.17535264]

>>17535203
why cant i taste a difference between wines? i drink a lot of beer because there is so much variety from stouts to flemish reds to pilsners to yadda yadda, but with wine it just “tastes like wine”. I can maybe perceive some differences in astringency, acidity, and maybe some trace flavors but at the end of the day it’s all pretty “samey” and I don’t understand people orgasming over some “superb” bottle that tastes the same as the last 30. Maybe I’m a pleb tastelet, but the differences in beer are far more pronounced
For the record I’m mostly referring to French DOC wines like cotes du rhone and bordeaux. Obviously I could tell the difference between a dessert wine and one of those, and I could even probably differentiate between say a bordeaux and a cotes du rhone, but even then the difference is very small other than slight difference in acidity imo

[Anonymous No.17535269]

>>17535264
>the difference between bordeaux and syrah is very small
>maybe I'm a pleb tastelet
I'd say you hit the nail on the head there

[Anonymous No.17535287]

>>17535223
kirkland brand stuff, unironically
most of it is sourced from giant houses that can't afford the damage to their name that would come from selling wines under 20 bucks, so they sell it to private labels to keep cash flow

>>17535264
French wine specifically has a high cost of variety, most of their wines will be ambiguously fruity until you hit a certain threshold on regionality, which comes with an elevated pricetag
Palate acclimation takes time and is contingent on your age, diet, and genetics. The more wine you drink, the more fine tuned you get to differences in acid, tannin, body, fruit expression, etc. Avoid cheap regional blends if you're looking for expressiveness--aim for single-varietal expressions.
Things like cabernet franc and carmenere have a noticeable bell pepper quality from pyrazines, whereas Syrah has a black pepper note from a chemical called rotundone. Try some Valpolicella Superiore versus some Nebbiolo, will really highlight differences in earthiness and oak exposure.

There's no universal answer unfortunately, but try more wines, try to buy them from wine shops rather than grocery stores, even if you don't spend a lot it'll open the door to less safe and samey product

[Anonymous No.17535300]

>>17535287
Where do you read about wine tasting? I find this stuff fascinating. It would be nice to have it compiled in some book.

[Anonymous No.17535302]

>>17535264
Great wine is appreciated most when you have an understanding and perspective of the different years and different wineries that produce wine in that same region. Terroir and vintage.

I know with beers they have different styles, but within the styles there's a lot of variation possible and we have our favorites after trying many different beers.

[Anonymous No.17535386]

not long got a part time job as a cellar door guy to augment my income as a cave guide, had a tasting of a few of the special releases but it died after so I came home with a couple of really nice bottles

they need drinking tonight though so it will be a long haul

[Anonymous No.17535417]

Tell me what chardonnay isn't total shit for butterfags

[Anonymous No.17535465]

>>17535417
honestly want to try a dead meme oak chardonnay so I know what they taste like, I'm 30 and it seems I'm too young for that meme

[Anonymous No.17535470]

>>17535465
I tried a cheap one and it reeked of parmesan cheese. I'm now baffled at how or why this is the most popular grape in the USA. Fantastic cooking wine for beef dishes however.

[Anonymous No.17535946]

bump

[Anonymous No.17535953]

>>17534595
>new zealand pinot noir

[Anonymous No.17535956]

>>17535465
Rombauer is a classic 80s style chardonnay

[Anonymous No.17535957]

>>17535386
I've almost done it lads, last glass of the shiraz, the cab sauv has gone

[Anonymous No.17536351]

Whoever is manufacturing the spigots for wine box bags doesn't let them drain completely. But they can't outsmart me. Remove the bag, snip the corner and pour out every last drop.

[Anonymous No.17536360]

I finished a bottle of apothic red last night, I rate it

[Anonymous No.17536367]

>>17536351
During my darkest times I'd let them empty boxes pile up and once in a while I'd be out of alcohol and in need of some to start the day and I would usually manage to collect a glass of wine doing exactly that.

[Anonymous No.17537125]

>>17535287
>most of their wines will be ambiguously fruity until you hit a certain threshold on regionality, which comes with an elevated pricetag
maybe this is the issue. i’ve tried many different DOCs but I rarely go above $20 on a bottle because it’s hard to justify spending more on something that’s just going to taste the same again
> it'll open the door to less safe and samey product
I hope so. I ferment meads, beers, fruit wines etc. and am a fan of weird flavors so maybe I’ve just been buying normie wine. For the record I do enjoy the “generic red wine” taste and have been consciously trying to get “into” it just felt the differences in flavor were almost too subtle to bother with- in contrast to pretty much any other fermented beverage. I’ll head to a wine shop and try those Italian recommendations

[Anonymous No.17537168]

>>17535020
Dan Murphy's? Fuck that shit! $6 Chardonnay from Dirk vd Broek!

[Anonymous No.17537238]

>>17535470
>I'm now baffled at how or why this is the most popular grape in the USA.
American chardonnay has a reputation for being overpowering and intense and kind of all over the place. One of the main reasons is that American oak and French oak are wildly different. Try a white burgundy like a chablis or something and you will immediately tell the difference.

[Anonymous No.17537251]

>>17535953
>I am a retard who knows literally nothing about wine
Central Otago (and increasingly North Otago) pinot noir is world renowned and highly sought after. Martinborough is beginning to produce highly acclaimed pinot noir as well.

[Anonymous No.17537405]

>>17535417
Why do you want a chardonnay when you can have an albarino? Val Do Sosego to be exact.

[Anonymous No.17537419]

>>17537251
But why buy an import NZ when every RRV pinot noir from $20 and up knocks it out of the park?

[Anonymous No.17537462]

>>17537251
>it's good because Wine Spectator said it's good
You can always tell when someone doesn't drink wine because their rationale for liking a wine is that so-and-so in the magazine likes it.

[Anonymous No.17537521]

>>17536360
That stuff's okay.

[Anonymous No.17537624]

>>17537419
>why buy an import
>>17537462
>wine spectator
I am from NZ lol

[Anonymous No.17537675]

>>17537405
>Why do you want a chardonnay when you can have an albarino?
Because they have wildly different aroma and flavor profiles and pair with different foods?

[Anonymous No.17537763]

>>17537675
Because anything but chardonnay. Anon probably lives in ohio or something where fads from the mid 2000s are just arriving via USPS parcel post

[Anonymous No.17537788]

>>17537763
>chardonnay was a fad
kys winelet

[Anonymous No.17537940]

>>17537788
>anything but chardonnay wasn't a fad
You must be 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.17538121]

>>17537238
Can confirm, had an American rye whiskey finished in new Limousin oak and was pleasantly surprised by how unlike new American oak it was.

[Anonymous No.17538157]

>>17538121
Wait until you taste something that didn't even touch oak, it will blow your mind

[Anonymous No.17538171]

drinking this french rose, pretty nice ngl. fruity, floral and a touch of acidity. will buy again

[Anonymous No.17538740]

>>17538157
not him but i fermented plum wine in glass and it was meh so i threw it in a barrel to age longer lol

[Anonymous No.17538842]

I miss the college days when I’d try $15 bottles of wine and savor them. I’ve been guzzling down bulk cheap stuff for years. Here and there I’ll spend $30 on a decent supermarket bottle and it’s always “oh that’s kind of tasty... different at least.” I end up killing it in a night and it feels like a waste. I’m expecting the same with a more expensive bottle so I don’t bother

[Anonymous No.17538848]

>>17538842
>supermarket wine
There's your problem. Go to a serious wine shop or you're just getting same-tasting knockoffs of popular styles

[Anonymous No.17538870]

>>17538848
Would a total wine be ok? They’ve at least got a large stock. I don’t think I have a whole lot of options around here

[Anonymous No.17539086]

>>17535077
be nice

[Anonymous No.17539690]

>>17538842
I'm still in that first phase. I squirt this Private Preserve gas into the bottle and stick it in the fridge as soon as I pour myself a glass of ultra-fancy $17 wine. Psychologically, I hate the thought of pouring another glass so soon since it's a waste of argon gas.

[Anonymous No.17540043]

>>17539690
dude just get a vacuum cork and drink half the bottle upon first opening then store it in the fridge and finish the following day. it’s not too much alcohol consumption at ~2.5 std drinks/day if you have to neck it all yourself
$17 seems like a pretty cheap bottle to deal with argon over lol

[Anonymous No.17540715]

Best budget wine coming through

[Anonymous No.17540734]

>>17538870
Probably better than nothing. But it depends on the shop person. Some of them will just recommend the same old supermarket crap. Some will really know their shit.

[Anonymous No.17540753]

>>17537763
Chardonnay was not a fad from the 2000s you plonker. It's a grape variety that has been popular for ages and there's really nothing wrong with a well made Chardonnay wine.

[Anonymous No.17542003]

>>17540753
If you are under the age of 18, discontinue browsing immediately

[Anonymous No.17542194]

>>17542003
you should take your own advice lmao

[Anonymous No.17542222]

this chardonnay talk confuses me, did the big oak chardonnay meme last longer in the states? went for a tasting yesterday at one of the smaller local wineries I haven't been to for a while and the winemaker couldn't even think of any that I might be able to try even from the warmer regions in my state

as an aside holy shit I'm spending so much now I get industry rates locally, I need to get a decent cellaring setup

[Anonymous No.17542260]

>>17542194
Sit down zoomie, I'm old enough to be your dad

>>17542222
In the US it was (perhaps obviously) centered on california and kinda died out in the late 1990s followed by a backlash that peaked in the late 00s, said backlash being the aforementioned "anything but chardonnay" meme, where people would trip over each other to be the first to suggest some "obscure" (not really) grape that wasn't chardonnay or sauvignon blanc. This more or less coincided with every idiot and his mom saying they love pinot noir and hate merlot. You can tell the zoomers here were mostly underage until the last couple of years because they have no idea that any of this stuff happened

Then the industry got around to responding and hipsters started to say they like chardonnay in order to get a reaction out of people and the more trend-oriented producers started touting their "old world" style (incidentally any time you hear a california wine producer say "old world" more likely than not it isn't anything like old world, but that's another rant)

Anyway, this trickled to the mainstream and now even red lobster apparently touts their unoaked chardonnay (pic related). The next logical step is that everyone decides they love tropical butter bombs again, in fact maybe it's already happened but I deleted twitter during corona and routed instagram to 0.0.0.0, so I'm less tuned into what wine hipsters think is cool these days

[Anonymous No.17542286]

>>17542260
>>17542222
Curiosity got the better of me and I did some googling, unfortunately Google Trends doesn't have any data on this, but this blog seems to consider it two distinct movements that fall under the same banner. ABC 1.0 was just anti-mainstream-grapes, and ABC 2.0 was anti-malo

https://advinetures.ca/blog/abc-anything-chardonnay/

But I think for the average pleb like me they had the same net effect which was that drinking chardonnay was uncool (unless it was chablis of course)

[Anonymous No.17542310]

>>17542260
>he thinks only in binary terms of contemporary popular culture
this is why you are a stupid faggot.

[Anonymous No.17542330]

>>17542310
I think you're lost, perhaps you'll be more comfortable in one of these:

>>17538642
>>17542106
>>17541907
>>17541714
>>17529963

[Anonymous No.17542331]

Hello, I just moved into my first apartment and I feel like I should have a couple of bottles of wine and some wine glasses for special occasions. Any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.17542343]

>>17542330
>he cant fathom the possibility that someone might enjoy something on its own merits rather than popular opinion
chardonnay has been around for hundreds of years and has been enjoyed by human beings regardless of any fleeting influences from NPC popular culture across that span. the fact that you seem to determine what is and isnt good based on whether you think "hipsters" have appropriated it at any given moment makes you an NPC of the highest caliber.

[Anonymous No.17542352]

>>17542343
Your willingness to have a strong, stupid opinion about a conversation you're struggling to follow, on topic you're utterly clueless about, is honestly kind of impressive.

[Anonymous No.17542360]

>>17542352
>stupid opinion about a conversation you're struggling to follow
I will admit that I just entered the thread and I now understand that you were being ironic when saying anything but chardonnay
>on topic you're utterly clueless about
maybe but I unironically make wine for a living

[Anonymous No.17542375]

>>17542260
Holy shit, those prices

[Anonymous No.17542376]

>catch COVID a couple months ago
>sense of taste is still fucked and can only taste the bitterness of wine
I'm pretty much stuck drinking what's basically grape juice. Everything tastes so bitter it's awful.

[Anonymous No.17542378]

>>17542360
Not everything you disagree with is "ironic" or "trolling". I was speculating as to anon's motivation for suggesting that chardonnay might be undesirable and alvarinho would have been a good substitute.

[Anonymous No.17542382]

>>17542378
>alvarinho
lmao I was almost on your side until you tried too hard with this pretentious bs

[Anonymous No.17542396]

>>17542382
Oh how cute, you still call it albariño? Spain is so 2017, we portugal now

[Anonymous No.17542399]

>>17534986
Stop doing this, you don't want to buy wines that are all ready to drink at the same time.

[Anonymous No.17542410]

>>17542396
yeah ive actually been to portugal and done vintages in douro before the pandemic dipshit. going around calling something literally everyone around you knows as albarino "alvarinho" to make yourself seem even snobbier is just so fucking off putting. god you people are the fucking worst thing about this industry. anon didnt even suggest alvarinho did he? you just cant help yourself.

[Anonymous No.17542414]

>>17542260
>>17542286
thanks

the merlot backlash is interesting, at least in Australia there's more to it than the sideways effect, it's a spectacularly high volume vine in the warmer regions, there's a couple of excellent ones near me though and I benefit directly from that poor reputation with cheap prices

>>17542343
I was explicitly asking about popular perceptions though, you really ought to read the reply chain before you blow a gasket

[Anonymous No.17542447]

>>17542410
>about this industry
I'm not in the industry though, I just like wine and have liked it for a long time. And you popped into the thread spoiling for a fight, so what else would you expect from me? Submission? This is 4chan, there's no such thing as "I was wrong" here.

[Anonymous No.17542452]

>>17542447
>I'm not in the industry though
no you just irritate everyone in it

[Anonymous No.17542476]

>>17542452
>be a condescending prick all the time
>make your entire identity about it
>surprised when it rubs off on the customers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo
You must be from napa or maybe willamette valley, because in "up and coming" areas the wine people aren't like this

[Anonymous No.17542496]

>>17542476
>you are a condescending wine snob
>n-NO U
I am not even american lol and everything ive said up until now is in contempt of wine snobbery

[Anonymous No.17542517]

>>17542496
You've been raging for the last 8 hours about how you're too good to acknowledge what the hoi polloi think is cool in any given year, if it's even possible to be snobbier than that I'd struggle to see how, but then again I'm just a dumb american so what do I know

[Anonymous No.17542526]

>>17542517
>8 hours
lol i came into this thread like an hour ago with >>17542194

[Anonymous No.17542534]

also idk what the fuck hoi polloi means but i only said you shouldnt be basing your perception of wine quality on whatever the hipsters are doing in any given year back when thats what i thought you were doing, not that im "too good to acknowledge" what people are drinking

[Anonymous No.17542539]

>>17542260
I worked fine dining from 2007-2011 and Chardonnay was intensely popular, especially Cakebread. There was never a backlash on Chardonnay that cost upwards of $90 a bottle since that was a massive seller, the only real trend I remember is more and more people ordering Malbec at that time. Are you sure you didn't just barhop a lot during that time trying (hard) to look sophisticated, entrenching yourself in "wine culture" with a bunch of other cheap snobs searching for elitist vantage points to look down on others from?

I suggest this because you somehow suggest that the people doing "anything but Chardonnay" were tripping over themselves, other negative imagery, blah blah blah to make them look like hipsters, but then you describe the people who then proceed to enjoy Chardonnay as also being hipsters.

It just screams "I have no idea what I'm talking about" especially considering I've never heard of this, seen this, and I made wine (and olive oil) professionally in the mid-2010s and again, Chardonnay was a massive, massive seller and nobody treated it like it was fucking Boone's Farm like you're trying to make out here, or tried to act like they were contrarian for liking it.

[Anonymous No.17542542]

>>17537763
Champagne my mayne. (Made from chardonnay in full or part)

[Anonymous No.17542556]

>>17542539
>but then you describe the people who then proceed to enjoy Chardonnay as also being hipsters.
everyone is a hipster but he of elite wine knowledge and understanding of course. he is always one step ahead of the curve, ahead of everyone else. he clearly has had his "finger on the pulse" of the "wine scene" for a long time now.

[Anonymous No.17542559]

>>17542534
Pic related
>>17542539
Where was this, the Cheesecake Factory?

[Anonymous No.17542578]

Any old vintage team? I tried some experimental AOCs for old vintage today and they were pretty interesting

[Anonymous No.17542582]

>>17542559
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/30/garden/wine-talk-465895.html

Article from 1995 talking about your "late 2000's craze" you fucking dork.

I worked at a place where PPP was just shy of $100, and that was in 14 years ago money. I guarantee, you couldn't afford it. I also made wine and olive oil for three years, as in I did everything from caring for the fruit/pruning the vines/olive trees to actually running the centrifuge for the pomace and doing the chemistry/bottling the wine. I really enjoy talking about the stuff but absolutely hate doing it with morons.

[Anonymous No.17542590]

wine is a gay drink for gay fags lol

[Anonymous No.17542639]

>>17542582
"Peaked in late 00s", presumably while you were pouring Cakebread at the Maggiano's. I have elderly relatives who never stopped drinking that kind of stuff, but the tide began turning in the early '00s and reached its peak in the late 2000s, whether your particular "fine dining" (sic) establishment acknowledged this is irrelevant. The fact that you had to google up a citation from 1995 to "prove me wrong" just shows how out of touch you are.

In any case learning is learning even if you only learned to try to win an internet argument, congrats and I'm glad a regular pleb like me was able to teach you something.

[Anonymous No.17542678]

>>17542639
>acts extremely pompous and arrogant
>posts massive walls of text demonstrating his "wine knowledge"
>using obscure foreign language when its completely unnecessary and even incorrect
>but makes sure to periodically refer to himself as "regular pleb" and other such things to make the people he is speaking down to appear/feel even dumber
dude nobody is buying this shtick and nobody ever has

[Anonymous No.17542680]

>>17542639
why do so many insist on coping when they could just let their embarrassment die with the thread, many such cases

[Anonymous No.17542718]

>>17542678
>>17542680
You didn't even know what the ABC trend was until it was explained to you. Then when you realized what the conversation was about, you shifted gears and said acknowledging popular opinion is for idiot NPCs. Then when someone else pointed out you were having a cow over your own confusion, you changed tactics and said you were really just mad at me for using the wrong tone and how awesome and down to earth you are (am I allowed to say "down to earth" or is that too advanced an idiom?). And now you're citing your extensive experience opening Cakebread for boomer couples at Maggiano's as a reason for why I, a mere consoomer, can't possibly be in a position to be explaining wine trends to you, who work in "the industry".

I know it's 4chan and there's no such thing as "oh my bad I didn't know that", but you need to make up your mind, are you way too cool to acknowledge one of the most important western food trends in recent history, or are you just so damm salt of the earth that even acknowledging the difference between non-malo, partial malo, and full malo chardonnay is for fucking faggot poseurs let alone acknowledging that the market recognizes a difference?

[Anonymous No.17542728]

>>17542718
im not the person you were sperging at, im the person making fun of you for being a sperg

[Anonymous No.17542743]

I can't bring myself to open either of these

[Anonymous No.17542745]

>>17542743
I've gotten super into beef stew recently, is it bad that I desperately want to steal them from you and use both for a 5 hour braised stew? lmao

[Anonymous No.17542748]

>>17542718
>pretending as if "down to earth" is language as obscure as hoi polloi and calling albarino alvarinho for literally no reason whatsoever
>in the same kind of attempt to discredit and humiliate while trying to maintain an air of innocent laymanship described above
lol kys didnt even read the rest of this gigantic cope. you are talking to more than one person here btw. I have never served wine in a restaurant setting, i only make it

[Anonymous No.17542749]

>>17542745
I've never actually cooked with tempranillo. My mouth is watering now though lol.

[Anonymous No.17542754]

>>17542718
>acknowledging the difference between non-malo, partial malo, and full malo chardonnay is for fucking faggot poseurs let alone acknowledging that the market recognizes a difference?
none of this was ever in question schizo, take your medicine

[Anonymous No.17542951]

>>17542578
Are you sure those would still be alive? Especially the Morgon.

[Anonymous No.17542986]

>>17542743
>points score on bottle
!!!

[Anonymous No.17542990]

Bros how do I “get into” wine?
I’m super well versed on beer, you can give me any style of beer and I can easily tell you the style it is in a blind folded taste test but I don’t know shit about wine.
My friends from France and Italy tell me that I shouldn’t go from “wine styles” but that I should “keep trying wine regions” until I find some I like.
There’s so many fucking regions and styles from the regions that I don’t know where to start.

I know I like Chablis though.

[Anonymous No.17542999]

>>17542990
why do you act as though there is some kind of barrier to entry for this food item? its a drink. just drink it. literally the exact same thing you did with beer

[Anonymous No.17543005]

>>17534595
Been liking this for the price

[Anonymous No.17543009]

>>17542999
Based and checked

[Anonymous No.17543035]

>>17542999
I feel like wine has a higher bar to entry because it’s more of a commitment per bottle. Beer is nice because you can build your own 6 pack at brewers/stores and try a bunch of styles so if it’s shit you don’t lose out on much but if I want to try wine from a new region it’s going to be a $30 gamble

[Anonymous No.17543059]

>>17543035
you can walk into any winery and they will let you taste all of their wines for a very small fee. sometimes 10 bucks, sometimes 5, sometimes for free.

[Anonymous No.17543068]

>>17543059
Ah that sounds nice. I live in nipland though and the only good wineries are far out in the country away from me and I’ve actually never seen them do tastings.
Next time I visit the states I should take advantage of the wineries.

[Anonymous No.17543090]

>>17543068
they are popping up all over the states now too not just the usual suspects. texas, the carolinas, upstate new york around the finger lakes and erie county...

[Anonymous No.17543107]

Give it to me straight: whats the best dry red I can get for under $25 and is easily available?

[Anonymous No.17543125]

>>17543107
E. Guigal Cotes du Rhone is pretty good.

Louis Jadot Beaujolais Villages too.

[Anonymous No.17543151]

>>17537940
>>17537763

Please tell me one (1) reason why chardonnay is somehow a fad, it's not even my favorite white but there's a reason it remains a staple

>too buttery
get something not made for wine aunts
>too oaked
get something from the central coast

[Anonymous No.17543175]

>>17543107
Honestly there's some decent Argentinian malbecs from Mendoza that would fit the bill

[Anonymous No.17543249]

>>17542999
Because if you act ignorant and want to learn more, you get condescending replies like >>17542999
On the other hand if you have an informed opinion, people say you're being pretentious

[Anonymous No.17543255]

>>17543151
Why don't you read the thread instead of asking me to rehash it for you?

[Anonymous No.17543314]

>>17543249
literally nobody but you, the snobbiest most pretentious blowhard in the entire thread, thought that reply was condescending.

[Anonymous No.17543320]

>>17543314
>no u
Bruh you just told a random internet stranger to just walk into his local wine producing neighbor's tasting room, are you for real?

[Anonymous No.17543329]

>>17543320
>are you for real?
uh yes? people wander into my cellar door every fucking day and we give them wine and teach them about it. its people like you who act like wine is some kind of "big deal" that puts people off to the point where they unironically start asking themselves if they can even do it.

[Anonymous No.17543334]

>>17543329
99% of humans alive today cannot just walk into their neighbor's basement and taste the current vintage. Kill yourself, not in minecraft.

[Anonymous No.17543343]

>>17543334
what makes you say that?

[Anonymous No.17543349]

>>17543343
Because I live in reality, which differs from the moist environment in your descending colon, which is where your head has been inserted, thus impairing your cognition.

[Anonymous No.17543350]

>>17543349
care to extrapolate? i live in nz and literally every single person in this country can go to a local winery. practically everyone in most of europe can say the same.

i would bet that every single major or even middling city in america has at least one winery and/or wine bar where tasting flights are offered. ive seen flights at wine bars around the same price as a flight of beers at a brewpub so when anon says he knows a lot about beer, how do i get into wine? my answer is exactly the same way he would do it with beer. this triggers you because you are a spastic autist who thinks wine is some mystical thing that people have to jump through hoops to find, understand and enjoy

[Anonymous No.17543378]

>>17543350
>care to extrapolate?
No, because you're a little bitch and can't have a conversation without crying to the mods. So let me repeat myself: kill yourself, not in minecraft.

[Anonymous No.17543381]

>>17543378
kek i didnt even report you mate i am having a massive laugh though

[Anonymous No.17543386]

my palate for wine is a bit limited but here is what I'm drinking tonight.

How does /ck/ expand their palate?

[Anonymous No.17543387]

>>17543381
France should have finished the job and tested their nukes in otago

[Anonymous No.17543390]

>>17543387
also now that I can see all the posts that are yours, these two in particular
>>17537462
>>17537462
>>17538848
>>17538848
are the ones that expose you as a complete and utter twat who wouldnt know the first fucking thing about wine if he didnt read it in some meme textbook by jancis fucking robinson

[Anonymous No.17543395]

>>17535470
>baffled that the most popular wine in burgerland tastes like cheese

[Anonymous No.17543397]

>>17543390
I have no idea who that is, but NZ wine is for sangrias, and NZ is for naval target practice, end of story

[Anonymous No.17543401]

What kind of wine goes with this?

[Anonymous No.17543403]

>>17543397
>1970s
>old guard dumb shit twats spit on california red
>it completely btfos burgundy in blind tasting
same thing happened here like 20 years ago but whatever you say chief. ironic you are so entrenched in your effort to limit your "wine horizons" despite attempting to maintain the idea that you are such a highly involved consumer.

[Anonymous No.17543409]

>>17543397
i can highly recommend anything from felton road or man o' war (waiheke island is making some really incredible syrah)

[Anonymous No.17543416]

>>17543386
>How does /ck/ expand their palate?
the first thing you do is drink that wine. then next time you drink wine, get a different one. repeat until expansive palate.

[Anonymous No.17543420]

Let me guess, you NEED more.

[Anonymous No.17543425]

>>17543420
>3L
of course I NEED more

[Anonymous No.17543429]

>>17543416
is there an amount you have to drink regularly in order to achieve this? because I drink wine about once a month, and by that time the wines start to taste similar

[Anonymous No.17543435]

>>17543403
And 20 years later, 99% of NZ wine is mildly objectionable trash for outdoor BBQs and passing the time at shitty airport bars, kind of like how the vast majority of CA wine tastes like $50/btl vanilla coke booze juice. So while you slavishly try to capture the glory of 2 popular European export styles of the mid 20th century, France still not only has what you're imitating poorly, but also hundreds of styles of its own. Funny how that works

>>17543409
Nah I'm good, I gave NZ enough tries, "oh you just haven't had the GOOD NZ wines. Same deal with Australian wines. Only new world wines worth buying: Chilean, and North American with the exception of most of California.

[Anonymous No.17543446]

>>17543429
Few times a week

[Anonymous No.17543447]

>>17543429
everyones sensory experience and ability is different but i find that if i havent had wine for a while i do kind of lose that "sharpness" in my senses to pick out flavours and aromas (not so much textures). if you taste more often you will build up a memory bank of the different things you would expect from different grape varieties and wine styles and then thats when you might branch out into developing a sense of regionality.

if its important to you to be able to understand what you are shopping for on a more specific level then you probably want to be tasting different wines a lot more often. if not then dont worry, pretty much any ~20 bottle of wine on the shelf is going to work out ok for you

>>17543435
lol ok mate

[Anonymous No.17543467]

>>17543175
>decent
>Argentinian malbecs
Pick one

[Anonymous No.17543474]

>>17543435
nz vineyards are awesome though

[Anonymous No.17543475]

>>17543474
dont give him attention

[Anonymous No.17543479]

>>17543475
Make sure to report me to your mommy for hurting your fee-fees again

[Anonymous No.17543483]

>>17543479
still havent reported you one time lmao, the stink of your desperation simply wafts across the board attracting tranny jannies

[Anonymous No.17543519]

Unlimited IP addresses bitch

[Anonymous No.17543522]

>proclaims himself old enough to be my dad
>behaves like petulant child
cant say my dad would approve

[Anonymous No.17543539]

>pressing the modem reset button is hard

[Anonymous No.17543576]

Oh no I had to press the reset button again! At this rate my thumb might get sore in a couple of days.

[Anonymous No.17543590]

>>17543429
>>17543447
definitely agree with this approach, just try as many different styles as you can even if they're relatively cheap

I used to dislike light reds and sweeter whites and now I regularly have bottles of both
>Pinot noir or Grenache Rhone blends
>Gewurztraminer/Gruner Veltliner

[Anonymous No.17543596]

Oops! That didn't work

[Anonymous No.17543993]

>>17542590
holy fucking based

[Anonymous No.17544044]

>>17543474
Anyone know what that dude did to gwt all his shit wiped? Pretty funny desu.

[Anonymous No.17544047]

>>17543386
Save one glass at the end of a bottle. Next evening, open a different bottle. Then compare by having a glass of each.

[Anonymous No.17544263]

>>17544044
I had a bunch of dead links in my browser so I just finished scrolling through the archives, basically nearly all the tryhard dick swingin' posts were the same guy, and there was some ban evasion so I guess the mods just nuked the whole lot.

>>17543068
If you have a higher end bottle shop or wine bar near you they might do tastings.

[Anonymous No.17544278]

>>17544263
I guess you could say wine threads bring out all the whiners! Lol!

[Anonymous No.17544281]

>>17544278
stfu dad

[Anonymous No.17544373]

>>17544281
Don't talk to your father like that. You're asking for the belt again, child.

[Anonymous No.17544385]

Good red wine that is very fruity and semi-sweet? Not like a dessert wine sweet.

[Anonymous No.17544393]

>>17540715
Based and TRVE CVLT pilled

[Anonymous No.17544444]

Please give me wine pairings for: bacon & eggs, biscuits & gravy, omelette with cheese, cinnamon oatmeal, beans on toast. Why is it hard to find wine pairing for breakfast foods?

[Anonymous No.17544453]

>>17544444
>Why is it hard to find wine pairing for breakfast foods?

[Anonymous No.17544603]

>>17544385
Maybe another anon will have a good suggestion, but wines in that category are mostly complete shit, sorry senpai.

[Anonymous No.17544636]

>>17542986
I know. I hate it. Still fucking delicious though.

[Anonymous No.17546104]

bump

[Anonymous No.17546146]

>>17544444
sparkling wine

[Anonymous No.17546586]

>>17543474
I'm pretty sure the guy has form on this, the idea that there's Aus/NZ wine better than Yellowtail or Jameson's Run sends him into a rage. Think he must have been butthurt over some shitposting.

[Anonymous No.17546914]

>>17544385
Demi-sec vouvray. One of the few that does that well. Off-dry Riesling can be good too.

[Anonymous No.17547314]

>>17546586
>the guy has form on this
?

[Anonymous No.17547320]

>>17546914
>Good red wine
>vouvray
>riesling
??

[Anonymous No.17547634]

>>17544444
ugh, checked... mimosas or chocolate wine. there are fruit wines, you know?

[Anonymous No.17548064]

>>17547314
you know you can just google it?

[Anonymous No.17548080]

>>17548064
>you know you can just google it?
Nothing worse than fags who say dumb shit like this. It would have taken you the same amount of time to reply what you meant. The problem is it that even after googling, if it isn't a common saying where the googler is from, they will just be left wondering if what they googled was right or not.

tl;dr kys, you fag.

[Anonymous No.17548199]

>go to charity auction
>very few people attend because it's cold out
>win pic related for 250 bucks

there was also a Romanee Conti for like 2 grand but from a bad vintage

[Anonymous No.17548259]

>>17547320
Ah shit missed that part. Yeah good off-dry red is pretty damn scarce.

[Anonymous No.17548280]

>>17542399
Are you baiting son?

[Anonymous No.17548301]

>>17544636
These scores can be so fucking misleading though. You really cant trust most of them.

[Anonymous No.17548324]

>>17548301
Yeah you can pack a rioja filled with smoky oak that explodes in your nose and mouth right after opening but half an hour later it tastes like sour shit. Still gets an 94 score. But a bordoux in the same price class that ”lacks the length and ripe fruits of a vin de garde” gets a 86 even though its great and continues to develop i taste over the course of a few days.
The score says nothing about quality because most of the wine reviewers go through like ten of them in an hour. They never sit down with a whole bottle

[Anonymous No.17548401]

>>17548080
teach a man to fish etc

[Anonymous No.17549355]

Is minerality a meme?

[Anonymous No.17549837]

>>17534986
Ratti's Langhe bottlings are pretty damn good for drink now nebbiolo. I'd recommend grabbing a few if you want a good reference point for when the barolo is mature enough.
>>17535061
Wines can bottle age given they are low ABV and more prone to oxidation from the tiny bit left in the bottle.
Some beers also can bottle age like barleywine and lambic ales.

[Anonymous No.17549848]

>>17542951
Morgan's have good tannic structure and can definitely age that long, however near 30 years sounds like it'll be quite tertiary driven and probably should be drunk now.

[Anonymous No.17550244]

>>17549837
>Some beers also can bottle age like barleywine and lambic ales.
oud bruin is another style that can be aged. fortunately i prefer the flavor of around 1-3 years so im not one of the unfortunate souls aging for 3-5 lol.
fwiw every beer “ages” just most of the time it’s undesirable (e.g. lagers)

[Anonymous No.17550342]

>>17549355
why would it be a meme? it describes flavor

[Anonymous No.17550434]

>>17550342
It's not a very clear description since who knows what quartz or feldspar tastes like?

[Anonymous No.17551210]

>>17550434
When you taste wine (and anything else), you are smelling it retronasally and these odours are what is interpreted as taste. This is why when you have a strong head cold and your nose is blocked you have a hard time actually tasting your food. When people describe a wine as having a lot of minerality they are experiencing it aromatically regardless of whether it's actually in the mouth or not. I have never tasted them but I know the different scent of chalk versus wet river stones which is what you are experiencing "on the palate" retronasally.

[Anonymous No.17551217]

a diagram for your convenience

[Anonymous No.17552119]

>>17548199
looks like henry kissinger

[Anonymous No.17552325]

man wine is weird, or maybe just alcohol in general, last night was the first time i've ever gotten drunk or had wine and a i drank a pint of cherry wine made by a friend
earlier that day i had the intention of drinking it normally but then a friend invited me out to go to a dance, and it was the first time i built up the courage to go and ask a girl to dance, she was real nice and tall it feels like a dream, but in the end i felt hopeless to do much more than dance and talk with her and that night i went to where we were camping, got drunk off the wine, and sobbed myself to sleep
i dont think i'll ever forget the feeling of that night, and in the morning my senses mostly cleared up and i felt refreshed, things i had trouble smelling before started smelling nice

[Anonymous No.17552387]

>>17552325
ok you fuckin weirdo

[Anonymous No.17552737]

got these in the mail, what do you think they are?

[Anonymous No.17552805]

>>17552737
Quit yappin' and start unwrappin', yah shlub.

[Anonymous No.17552931]

>>17552737
Eggplants

[Anonymous No.17553002]

>>17552737
Whats that shit in the background?

Also i once bought a mystery box of random wines and it was the cheepest trash i ever drank. Got scammed so hard

[Anonymous No.17553044]

>>17553002
a few bottles of Foillard Morgon and Monopole Mersault Rouge from a tiny producer, all very tasty but need a little age

>>17552805
>>17552931
wax tops, that's how you know it's a meme

[Anonymous No.17553048]

>>17553044
SQN?

[Anonymous No.17553062]

Hmm I spy a dumb label

[Anonymous No.17553070]

>>17553062
They make pretty amazing wine. Did you get past their waiting list or were those from a bottle shop?

Had this one a while back. I had a good hermitage alongside and it was very interesting to compare the two.

[Anonymous No.17553077]

>>17553048
well done anon

>>17553070
I've been on the waiting list for 16 years, but copped an allocation from a local retailer for a pretty good price

I had the 2013 five shooter last year and it had sadly shut down, wish I had waited another few years. The purity was ridiculous but none of the secondary or tertiary character was detectable in the slightest

[Anonymous No.17553308]

>>17553077
Imagine paying real money for american wine

[Anonymous No.17553846]

>>17553077
Honestly very keen to try some super opulent California wine. It's not my style but intrigues me nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.17553900]

>>17553077
>tasting notes: bbq, grilled ribs with hot sauce and charcoal and mcflurry with a gnarly burn of alcohol and a aftertaste of gasoline. A real mans drink no pussy ass french shit it aint

[Anonymous No.17554036]

My favorite wine to drink year round. Cheap, local, and delicious

[Anonymous No.17554344]

>>17553308
It's worth the price and easily stands up to the french syrah. You would probably know that if you've ever tried a bottle.

[Anonymous No.17554356]

>>17553308
fiat isn't real money :^)

>>17553846
They're incredibly balanced, most people expect a flabby acid-less mess which is not usually the case for the better producers

>>17553900
who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.17554469]

>>17542578
What did they taste like?

[Anonymous No.17555194]

>>17553308
>muh yurop
kys

[Anonymous No.17556145]

>>17534595
Imagine a bottle of alcohol lasting 18 months.
ngmi

[Anonymous No.17556888]

Recently read about something called Rutherford Dust, sounded like a meme but I snagged pic related on discount due to a warehouse clearing, didn't care too much for Napa cabs overall but hoooooooooooo boy I need more of that shit

[Anonymous No.17557118]

>>17556888
the category's become oversaturated and overpriced but there are still some great napa cabs out there

[Anonymous No.17557447]

>>17556145
unironically kill yourself you poorfag alcoholic nigger

[Anonymous No.17557452]

>>17548324
trufax

This one tasted consistently good even after being open for a while.

[Anonymous No.17557466]

>>17557447
lol hes right enjoy your thimble and fedora

[Anonymous No.17557470]

>>17557466
I drink wine older than you, regularly.

You would too, if you could.

[Anonymous No.17557471]

>>17551210
you kinda missed his point, which was really wht the fuck does 'minerality' connote? and does it do it well?

[Anonymous No.17557473]

>>17557470
>russian river valley
lol ok

[Anonymous No.17557481]

>>17557473
lol it's almost like you purposefully ignored the 3-4-figure bottle of French wine I already posted

here's another pic

[Anonymous No.17557485]

>>17557473
here's another wine older than you

I think the name on this one is fairly funny.

[Anonymous No.17557490]

>>17557481
what you wanna compare empty bottles?
i got a Dominus Napa Valley 2015 i could post i guess

[Anonymous No.17557495]

>>17557490
How was it?

[Anonymous No.17557501]

>>17557490
here's a photo of it unopened

it was good, but a bit past it's peak

[Anonymous No.17557507]

>>17557495
hate to say, dont really remember the details. was maybe 2017, 18? when i spilt it with a bud. kept the bottle for giggles. dont get me wrong tho - all the napa cabs i can get my hands on are great

[Anonymous No.17557509]

>>17557507
im drinking a super small batch Napa cab right now. hand picked by me. hand pressed by me. and i love it and hope there will be more in the future. cheers, anons.

[Anonymous No.17557513]

>>17557507
Try a cab franc from 100yo rootstock, it's amazing.

There's a winery south of Napa that has it.

[Anonymous No.17557515]

>>17557509
making your own wine gets you a gold star from me

[Anonymous No.17558718]

>>17557473
RRV pinot is amazing you pleb

[Anonymous No.17558727]

>>17557509
>super small batch
>Napa cab
>hand picked
>hand pressed
bruh sell that shit at like minimum $600/btl, it will sell

[Anonymous No.17559176]

>>17557447
>>17557452
>>17557470
>he doesnt know about 4channel image flipping
new cunt

[Anonymous No.17559181]

>>17557471
its explained in the post. minerality means it tastes minerally.
>but i havent tasted any minerals!
first of all yes you have, second its explained in the post.

[Anonymous No.17559265]

Meeker Vineyard FroZin is the best dessert wine I've ever had

[Anonymous No.17559312]

*solves wine*
Thanks, argiebros.

[Anonymous No.17559334]

>>17536351
Holy shit that looks like a chilled kidney was stored in that bag anon

[Anonymous No.17559341]

>>17559312
>solves wine
more like solvent, that shit tastes disgusting

[Anonymous No.17559688]

>>17542539
The problem is American Chardonnay at every price point has wood chips soaking in the barrel. It is really overwhelming the grape. Chablis and other Chardonnay wines including champagne that are stores in stainless steel or much more refined, cleaner, and simply easier to drink.

[Anonymous No.17559764]

>>17557452
Young Bordeaux like that should gotten tastier after a day or two from opening.

[Anonymous No.17559780]

>>17557481
>3 to 4 figure
>cru bourgeois
You got ripped off anon. I’m in France and cru bourgeois never costs more than 10-15 euros and is definitely not for aging long time.

[Anonymous No.17559789]

I just don't like Pino Noir lads
Think there's something wrong with me

[Anonymous No.17559812]

>>17534986
Why do people drink red wine? 90% of that shit tastes like grape flavored cough medicine. White is MUCH tastier.
>inb4 stop drinking wine from boxes
I have only had boxed wine 3 times in my life, and probably sampled over 50 bottles.

[Anonymous No.17560176]

>>17559176
I've been using this website since 2006.
>>17559780
I didn't pay that much. It was cellared from purchase, and the estimated value of the winery owner (who was sloshed when we opened it).

[Anonymous No.17560182]

>>17559812
Try this. It's cheap, and delicious.

[Anonymous No.17560187]

>>17559780
I've got a '96 Georis Merlot that I was told is worth around $800+.

Is that overvalued?

[Anonymous No.17560407]

>>17559812
filtered

[Anonymous No.17560751]

Here are my options:
>2011 Chianti
>2014 Tempranillo
>2015 Sangiovese
>2013 rum-barrel Zinfandel
>2013 Merlot
>2012 Riesling
>2012 Auslese
>2014 Spätlese
>2011 Port
inb4 "hurr durr age doesn't mean shit it's all about harvest and storing conditions" curb your marketing faggot.

[Anonymous No.17561071]

>>17559812
>90% of that shit tastes like grape flavored cough medicine
scared to ask what reds you've been drinking

[Anonymous No.17561075]

>>17560751
>yes please dumb down this complex topic for me when I've given you almost no information

[Anonymous No.17561133]

>>17559812
i get this taste too with wines that arent dry
i think you just need to get an older wine or have some bottles sitting for a while to mellow out the taste
the medicine taste is most noticable in homebrewing so it probably just means you're getting cheap wine
i wouldnt really know much though since i dont drink much wine

[Anonymous No.17561134]

>>17560751
get one bottle off the list each month and blogpost about it in a year

[Anonymous No.17561223]

>>17561133
what is the medicine taste?

remember mega grape poster?

[Anonymous No.17561353]

>>17561223
its not all bad but i can see a lot of people disliking it
basically its where it tastes a bit of cough syrup
some pyment i'm making tastes like it and a cherry wine my friend made also tastes of it

[Anonymous No.17561370]

>>17561133
I got hardcore medicine taste in a $60 bottle of Chateuneuf du Pape. It's common in high alcohol, low acid wines

[Anonymous No.17561988]

>>17561370
>$60 bottle of Chateuneuf du Pape

What label? Clos de'loraitoire?

[Anonymous No.17561991]

>>17535061
Kill yourself nigger

[Anonymous No.17562017]

>>17561075
And there it is, the "brand" baby. I'm gonna wager here that the majority of you faggots are from the tea general.

[Anonymous No.17562032]

>>17560751
age matters, harvest matters, storing matters

my chardonnay is light struck
its so saddening

[Anonymous No.17562174]

>>17562017
>"brand"
it's not even that you didn't list the producer, but you didn't even list the place or even the style of wine in some of them, moron

[Anonymous No.17562413]

>>17561988
Domaine du Vieux Lazaret

[Anonymous No.17563243]

>>17534595
Had a 2003 Luis Pato last night. Was good.

[Anonymous No.17563498]

>>17559789
Drink it slightly cooler.
This is life changing.