Germans ruined beer

[Anonymous No.17444828]

https://www.gruitale.com/

>So what’s a gruit? Simply stated, it’s a blend of herbs that traditional brewers added to their beer in Renaissance times and before. Herbs are essential ingredients in beer, both as preservatives and to counterbalance the otherwise cloying taste of malt. You may hear such herbs referred to as hop substitutes, but that’s historically inaccurate. Hops are a gruit substitute. You don’t need hops to make beer, but you do need something–or else plan to drink it immediately, before it can spoil.

>But what’s wrong with hops? Nothing, if you need help going to sleep, going to the bathroom or going through menopause. Hops are a strong sedative, a good diuretic and an estrogen substitute. If you’re a guy, however, you should be aware of a well-documented but under-reported phenomenon known as Brewer’s Droop. In technical terms, hops are a strong anaphrodisiac for men.

>The story of how hopped beer came to replace gruited ale is a complex and convoluted one, with origins in both the Protestant Reformation and the Industrial Revolution. An anti-gruit campaign, similar in scope and absurdity to our contemporary War On Drugs, fed off the anti-clericala and anti-pleasure hysteria of the Protestant Reformation, and coincided with the violent persecution of herbalists as witches and herbs as dangerous substitutes for “scientific” medicine in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. It didn’t help that gruit blends in many parts of northern Europe were exclusive monopolies of the Church. All brewers in those areas were forced to purchase their gruits from specially licensed monastic houses at highly inflated prices, which probably did more to enflame anti-clerical feelings than anything Martin Luther ever said.

[Anonymous No.17444830]

>To understand why hops replaced gruit it is important keep in mind the properties of gruit ale: it is highly intoxicating and aphrodisiacal when consumed in sufficient quantity. Gruit ale stimulates the mind, creates euphoria and enhances sexual drive. Hopped ale is quite different. Contemporary scientific research has conclusively demonstrated that hops contains large quantities of estrogenic and soporific compounds. In fact hops has been used for many thousands of years in traditional medical practice as a natural estrogen replacement therapy and to help insomniacs sleep. The high level of plant estrogens in hops makes hopped beer an extremely good drink for women in menopause but also makes it a very bad drink for men. Consumption by men of large levels of estrogenic compounds can lead to erection problems later in life. In fact, there is a well-known condition in England called Brewer’s Droop which is regularly contracted by bartenders and brewers after years of exposure to hopped beers and ales.

>One of the arguments of the Protestants against the Catholic clergy (and indeed of Catholicism) was Catholic self-indulgence: in food, drink, and lavish life style. And it was this Protestant outrage that was the genesis of the temperance movement. (It would not stop, of course, with the assault on gruit ales but would continue on to include ale itself and any kind of psychotropic or inebriating plants and drinks by the twentieth century.)

[Anonymous No.17444837]

>Hops possessed two characteristics notably different than the herbs it replaced – it causes the drinker to become drowsy and it diminishes sexual desire. Protestant literature of the time, denoting the “problems” associated with the gruit herbs, contradict contemporary beer historians and are in actuality some of the first drug control manifestos on record. The laws that eventually passed in the sixteenth to the eighteenth centuries restricting the number of herbal additives used in brewing are actually the first drug control laws ever passed. As Nordland reveals: “At the time the decree of 1667 ordered an increase of cultivation of hops in Norway, the authorities in continental Europe were generally trying to abolish the use of grut and bog myrtle in brewing. The provincial laws of Bavaria, of 1533 and 1616, imposed severe penalties on anyone brewing ale with herbs and seeds not normally used for ale. Similar laws were passed in, for instance, Holstein in 1623, and [in Norway bog myrtle] was expressly forbidden together with other ‘unhealthy material’. As late as 1723, the laws of Brunswick-Luneburg made it a punishable offence for a brewer to have the dangerous Post [bog myrtle], or other herbs imparting a dangerous potency to the ale, in his house. It is stated that, in spite of earlier warnings, this practice had continued to the peril of the lives and health of His Majesty’s subjects.’

[Anonymous No.17445262]

>critical beer theory
Didn't ask don't care, homo

[Anonymous No.17445268]

germans hate fun so much they created a religion centered on hating it, then they wonder why everybody hates christianity

[Anonymous No.17445270]

Wow, that is way too fucking long. Do you think this is Twitter or something (1/5)? I came into the thread to talk about gruits because I have some experiences with them but by Allah I shan't now.

[Anonymous No.17445276]

FUCK THE RHEINHEITSGEBOT ALL MY HOMIES HATE THE RHEINHEITSGEBOT FUCK THE KING OF BAVARIA FUCK THE KAISER GIVE ME MY SPICES

[Anonymous No.17445289]

Whole lot of shit about estrogen. I don't know anon, I feel like manly men have been drinking hops beer for a while and they're fine.

[Anonymous No.17445291]

>>17445270
your attention span has been completely fried

[Anonymous No.17445319]

>>17445270
By the prophet Muhammand (pbuh) I beseech thee to share your experience with gruits. I've been thinking of brewing again after learning about gruit.

[Anonymous No.17445325]

>>17445262
face it, your dopamine receptors orgamsed when they consoomed this new and novel thread

[Anonymous No.17445395]

All this crap and you don't tell us what this magical blend of 11 herbs and spices are.
Shit thread.

[Anonymous No.17445783]

>>17445289
>manly men
short tempered
emotional
big tits
boulder belly
Erectile dysfunction

these men would by more manly if it wasn't for the hops bear they consume

[Anonymous No.17445793]

>>17444828
i don't care about niggers, the dutch or carrots. faggot.

[Anonymous No.17445795]

>>17445270
>>17445395

newfag here. whats with /ck/ users and their
short spam of attention ?

[Anonymous No.17445829]

>>17444828
So this is what insecure fags fall for. Will this replace thhe seed oil spam?

[Anonymous No.17445854]

>>17444828
>cloying taste of malt
Fuck your shit sideways.

[Anonymous No.17445886]

>>17444837
>The provincial laws of Bavaria, of 1533 and 1616, imposed severe penalties on anyone brewing ale with herbs and seeds not normally used for ale

>Bavaria
>protestant
fucking lol retard

[Anonymous No.17445978]

>>17444828
>the thing we like was replaced by the thing we dont like
>the thing we like is wonderful and does great things and is magical and lovely and it adds 20 years to your life span and ancient wisdom says it was awesome
>the thing we dont like is responsible for all of the evil in the world and it does bad things to you
Every time.

[Anonymous No.17445991]

>>17444828
christcusks strike again

[Anonymous No.17446046]

>>17445783
Because it's totally not the mammalian estrogen in the milk and cheese, it must be them evil plants!
Retard

[Anonymous No.17446072]

>>17444828
> hops are a strong anaphrodisiac for men.
Oh huh, that explains why alcohol free beer gives me this small buzz.

[Anonymous No.17446080]

>>17445262
Well said.

[Anonymous No.17446435]

Wow so Protestants really did ruin Europe, didn't they?

[Anonymous No.17446449]

>>17446435
No, the protestantic countries do better than the catholic ones. The church fucked up itself.

[Anonymous No.17446455]

>>17446449
>destroys beer culture
>invents industrialisation and destroys all other aspects of culture
>physically destroys the continent and their own geopolitical relevancy with repeated total wars using mechanized warfare
The beer interference was merely the early warning sign of what was to come, but you didn't listen.

[Anonymous No.17446468]

>>17445978
This.

Article might as well be asking me to buy cbd oil with how much man-pandering this shit is doing.

Womyn get this holistic trashed thrown about on every cosmetic bottle but some this is beer we’re gonna pretend this isn’t the same shit but for men.

[Anonymous No.17446490]

>>17444828
g*rmans ruined way more stuff than just fucking beer

[Anonymous No.17446494]

Where do you actually find herbed beer though? I've never seen it.

[Anonymous No.17446497]

>>17446455
>catholic church expanded their secular power more and more
>tricked its people into paying for relics and indulgence
>keep the bible as hermetic as possible
>obviously only for the purpose of the clerus' enrichment but not religious reasons
I don't think exploiting their own people is something you shouldn't be mad about. Retards, who defend practices like that probably also worship communist leaders.

[Anonymous No.17446508]

>>17446497
>but what about muh exploitation
Meanwhile, anglo/germanic protestants are literally banning flavor and fun as satanic

[Anonymous No.17446595]

>>17446494
It's difficult unless you make it yourself. Most brewmaking stores have some common herbs that you can use, like yarrow, mugwort, juniper, big myrtle, orange peel, etc. But even finding real recipes online takes some time, there's some books on Amazon about making gruits.

[Anonymous No.17446630]

>some complicated story with several assumptions

or

>hops in beer = beer spoiled less

Hard one to figure out

[Anonymous No.17446671]

>>17445795
Alcoholism does that to people.

[Anonymous No.17446754]

>>17446494
It's hard to find but you can order it online.

[Anonymous No.17446765]

>>17444828
I didn't read past the first sentence, but herbs in beer sounds good.

[Anonymous No.17446769]

>>17445270
>>17446765
t. sleepy and unenergetic from drinking hopped beer

[Anonymous No.17446775]

Imagine caring this much about grain swill for fat ugly manual laborers
Cultured germans drink wine, same as anywhere else

[Anonymous No.17446777]

>>17446769
No, I didn't even finish the first one yet.

[Anonymous No.17448283]

>>17446775
>wine

[Anonymous No.17448613]

>>17446777
>too sleepy to finish his first beer

[Anonymous No.17449623]

>>17444828
has anyone here actually brewed beer with more classical herbs? sounds interesting, but hops are basically all anyone knows that hasnt brewed beer themselves. I couldnt imagine the difference, myself

[Anonymous No.17449733]

>>17446630
Don't forget there were (((usurerersers))) involved

[Anonymous No.17449765]

>>17449623
I had a gruit from a local brewery made with young oak leaves years ago, but it was too much effort to make and they stopped selling it. I remember liking it.

[Anonymous No.17449780]

>>17446046
Get fucked vegan fag, the amount of estrogen in milk is laughably tiny. A normal human male produces shitton of more estrogen daily than he can ever do by consuming gallons upon gallons of milk per day.

[Anonymous No.17450149]

>>17446775
This. The Germans make the best wine in the world. Meanwhile, they can't even make a better beer than Belgium.

[Anonymous No.17450688]

>>17446775
My landlord used to say the exact same thing. He was a 5 ft, ginger manlet, whose wife banged anybody that was slightly interested in her.

[Anonymous No.17450690]

>>17450149
>Germans make the best wine in the world
If you've only had German wine.
>hey can't even make a better beer than Belgium
Which German beers have you had? You sound like a lardman talking out of his ass.

[Anonymous No.17450697]

>>17444828
How strong of a sedative are we talking here?
Hops grow wild where I live but I never did anything with them. Can I get buzzed?

[Anonymous No.17450708]

Austria is here to save the day once again

[Anonymous No.17450721]

>>17446046
everyone look and laugh at the retarded vegan

[Anonymous No.17450837]

>>17450708
Helles is on the same level as lite beer. Flavourless and boring swill.

[Anonymous No.17451344]

>>17444830
This is bullshit. This man is trying to sell you something. The statements about gruit herb blends making you more horny and manly? Pure bullshit. Might as well take gas station boner pills.

[Anonymous No.17451413]

>>17446072
You get a buzz from not being horny?

Either way consuming alcohol lowers testosterone. Doesn't matter how you consume it.

[Anonymous No.17451420]

>>17446494
There's breweries that make it. You'd need to be in an area with a great beer store. Off Color brews gruits. Big Thorn too.

[Anonymous No.17451520]

>>17451344
other sources seem to support the statements

https://2ndkitchen.com/breweries/gruit-beer-without-hops/

http://www.homebrewing.com/articles/gruit/

[Anonymous No.17451537]

>>17451520
Much better articles that lack the sensationalism of the OP. The beer world does need a new shake up. Off Color has been making beers without hops for years.

[Anonymous No.17451554]

>>17451537
yeah, OP's link is definitely doing all they can to sell it, btu with corroboration it does sound interesting. and I like hops to a certain extent as long as they dont make the beer too bitter, but I think other herbs could easily rival the taste, and not making you tired would be an improvement alone. I'm not sure how much the phytoestrogen content actually matters, but avoiding that could only be neutral to positive

[Anonymous No.17451602]

>>17444828
If this spreads we can either have the chuds villify beer as they do soy, or the retards on this forum el realize that phytoestrogens really aren't anything to worry about and it's mammalian estrogen in dairy and meat that's the real problem.

[Anonymous No.17451686]

>>17444828
Sounds like you're casting blame on all Germans, when the blame should fall squarely on Pr*t*st*nts, the filthy little creatures.

[Anonymous No.17451699]

>>17451602
I dont think either are a big problem outside of overconsumption. I think factory farming should be illegal, though. its the reason meat is shitty, causing stress responses in the animals, necessitating antibiotics, and relying on absolute shit-quality feed

the increased cost would also offset the overconsumption that contributes to health problems. of course, corn subsidies seem to be the main driver of obesity