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What are your feelings on these Babybel cheese things?

>> No.17433490

>>17433488
Shell tastes like shit, don't know why people eat these

>> No.17433505

>>17433490
anon…

>> No.17433507

I like to tear up the swiss ones and sprinkle them over my sandwiches

>> No.17433544

>>17433488
Same as cream cheese... an absolute abomination.

>> No.17433565
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17433565

The day I found out they now make tiny brie cheeses in nets was terrible for my health.

>> No.17433566

>>17433488
Based when you're a kid, pointless when you grow 8+
The shell is awful though

>> No.17433589

>>17433488
Doesn't hold a candle to American cheese for versatility, but it tastes great with some fried onions and a bit of bacon.

>> No.17433591

>>17433488
I dont get it. I thought the red cheese was supposed to have some special taste but it's as if I'm chewing through wax

>> No.17433610

I usually eat it without the rind now. I find it doesn't add much to texture and is kinda waxy desu

>> No.17433647

Scrunch the shell up and sneak it into your friend's sundried tomatoes.

>> No.17433650

the skin is the best part

>> No.17433660

>>17433488
Dem lil niggas be bussin do fr fr no cap bix nood moffugga

>> No.17433668

>>17433488
havnt had one since i was in kindergarten

>> No.17433689

had a friend visit from Europe and he said he was going to bring some European cheeses, and he showed up with a sack of these

>> No.17433721

Ate on last night that was in my fridge for Atleast two years and it was still good. I love them, but I don’t buy them often because I go through them so quick

>> No.17433747

>>17433490
Yeah they have the weirdest rind, worse than brie even

>> No.17433753

I bet all you people joking about eating the wax think you're pretty funny

>> No.17433784
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>>17433660

>> No.17433794

>>17433689
i'm from europe and never seen these

>> No.17433806
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>>17433660

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>>17433806

>> No.17433827

>>17433689
lol sounds like he forgot and just grabbed whatever they had at the gas station

>> No.17433829

>>17433591
You are supposed to open them and take the cheese out

>> No.17433831

>>17433806
this is deeply unsettling

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>>17433753
guilty.

>> No.17433846

>>17433488
I haven't had one of these in a long time, then again it's just edam so it doesn't really matter.

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>>17433806

>> No.17434056

Why is the red part a chewy consistency as if it is meant to be eaten, thats the only thing I hate about them

>> No.17434235

>>17433488
Taste is off. Always hated them.

>> No.17434257

>>17433794
lol what god-forsaken 'european' hellhole do you live in? bongland is pretty much the definitive case and we've had them for literally decades

>> No.17434265

>>17433689
he was taking the piss, anon

>> No.17434285

>>17433794
They are popular in 1st world countries, also babybel is designed for kids and is not real cheese

>> No.17434392

>>17433490
I like this website very much

>> No.17434406

They felt like a waste of money gimmick to me.

>> No.17434409

>>17434056
Because that way even children can open them on their own.

>> No.17434424

>>17433794
Where do you live?
They were originally produced in France and have been around since 1952.

>> No.17434442

>>17433488
very tasty, they don't sell the big one anymore

>> No.17434447

I like them a lot.
We rarely had them at home when I was a kid but we sometimes got them on family outings or things like that.
I sometimes still like to buy them when I'm going for longer train rides or for picnics, since they are good travel food.

Almost no carbs and 21,5g of protein per 100g so they are also nutritiously good.

>> No.17434465

>>17433806
Fucking kek

>> No.17434467

>>17433488
i would never buy them because of the price to product ratio, but when i see them in people's refrigerator i will steal and eat them because they come in a bag of many and taste good

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>>17433488
In elementary school we’d use the cheese encasement to play a type of pac man game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrV-ut6LmTA

>> No.17434888

if i'm too drunk or hungover to make a real meal i like to slice these up and melt them on some bread in the microwave, it's oddly satisfying. But unmelted they aren't great. But i dont get these very often

>> No.17434924

>>17433488
I used to love them as a kid. Today I know they're the cheapest, crappiest trash cheese and nobody should it them.

>> No.17434925
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>>17434467
Based cheese goblin

>> No.17434929
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>>17433806
kek

>> No.17434940

>>17434863
who stole marker

>> No.17435413

>>17433488
Don't like em. Feel like I'm ghost eating Pac Man

>> No.17435530

>>17433806
Gen Z is tainting our cheese!

>> No.17435546

>>17433490
Okay I'm retarded, do you eat it or not

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>>17433806

>> No.17436092

>>17433488
There pretty good panko’d then frozen and fried in oil. Without the wax covering of course.

>> No.17436103

It's one of those random rare things i buy at the gas station like an ice cream sandwich or a candy bar. But they are tasty

>> No.17436111

>>17433488
I got about 30 of them for free once and not knowing what else to do with them made mac n' cheese with large elbow macaroni.
It was exceedingly good.

>> No.17436112

>>17433488
they taste kinda flavorless honestly,or at least that's how I remember the flavor,kinda meh
>>17435546
yes

>> No.17436115

>>17433753
I actually bit right into one a while ago since it was my first time seeing one...

>> No.17436121

>>17435546
No, only retards eat it

>> No.17436128

>>17435546
The rind is part of the cheese ffs why do Americans find this so complicated?

>> No.17436135

One time I gathered up the wax from like 20 of them and made a giant ball of wax. Good times.

>> No.17436155

>>17435546
It's literal wax eat it if you have a death wish

>> No.17436163

>>17433488
The concept is fun, but I wish they’d make a version with high quality cheese instead of that plastic crap

>> No.17436442

Sus

>> No.17436455
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>>17433753

>> No.17436509 [DELETED] 

>>17436455
urgh.

>> No.17436525

>>17433488

best off stealing them and then eating them that way. or pay for them using food stamps. dont use real money on that...

>> No.17436657

>>17433565
Did you eat the net?

>> No.17436670

>>17436525
Stealing is wrong.

>> No.17436680

>>17433488
Used to eat these all the time but now I find them too flavorless.

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>>17436128
>The rind is part of the cheese ffs why do Americans find this so complicated?

>> No.17436684

>>17436670
Stealing from individuals is wrong. Stealing from large corporations is morally gray and, for all intents and purposes, a victimless crime.

>> No.17436687

>>17433589
You're supposed to eat that when you don't have access to a kitchen

>> No.17436693

>>17436684
This. Corporations are soulless, inherently immoral entities whose only priority is revenue. They don't care about you. I sleep quite well at night after taking the occasional bag of chips from CVS or whatever.

>> No.17436730

>>17433490
Based and shellpilled.

>> No.17436950

>>17433721
>was in my fridge for Atleast two years
>because I go through them so quick
Pick one

>> No.17436992
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>>17433490
When I was a kid I bit the shell because I thought it was edible

>> No.17436993
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>>17436950
Anon buys a sack of cheese, scarfs most of them in a rush, feels like a fatass and hides the last one in the back of the fridge until he forgets about it.

>> No.17437007

>>17433490
I usually eat it last

>> No.17437011

>>17436993
many such cases, Sad!

>> No.17437033

>>17433488
Soul

>> No.17437075

>>17436693
>stealing chips from a pharmacy
>not buying a bag of chips and walking out with your sleeves full of $80 worth of cold and athsma medicine and a candy bar
do u even steal

>> No.17437089

>>17433488
it's just mini edam. And shit edam at that.

>> No.17437116

>>17437075
The cold medicine sets off the alarm.

>> No.17437997

>>17433488
I like playing with the wax after I eat the cheese.

>> No.17438008

>>17436128
On the off chance you're serious, it is not rind. It's wax

>> No.17438017

>>17437116
Wow! Got him. It's impossible to open the boxes and slip out the pill packets, so no possible way to get it out without setting off the alarm.

>> No.17438032
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17438032

Most American snacks are wax based.

>> No.17438085

>>17435546
it's similar to the wax you see in Maker's Mark and some wine and spirit bottles

>> No.17438210

Memes aside, they're okay. Pleasantly creamy but also kind of bland. And the rind tastes like shit.

>> No.17438239

>>17437075
>not doing your regular shopping while stealing stupid shit like spices, cheese, and mario kart hot wheels

>> No.17438876

>>17438008
(((they))) tell you its wax because they don't want you eating it for nutrients

>> No.17438884

>>17433806
NO CAP ON A STACK

>> No.17438930

>>17433488
Why are they so expensive nowdays? 2.50€ for a few bites is a scam.

>> No.17439720
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Oh boy, more plastic pollution!

>> No.17439781

>>17433806
Put me in the screennocap fr fr

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>>17433490

>> No.17440118

>>17433488
If offered one, I would definitely eat it. I would never buy them though.

>> No.17440165

>>17433488
My mom used to pack me one everyday with my school lunches. I would mash up the wax and get it all warm and soft, then stick on the bottom of my desk. My teacher freaked out when she finally saw it, I think she thought it was shit/ boogers at first. It was a LOT

>> No.17440404

>>17435546
You eat it. Why else do you think they use this specific material? If it was inedible and you should only have eaten the white cheese, it would be wrapped in plastic wrap, not in red cheese with similar texture.
It's basically cheese in cheese wrap

>> No.17440921

>>17436455
Look at those fat fingers

>> No.17440990

>>17440921
they look buff to me

>> No.17441128

>>17435546
You can eat whatever you want. This is America.

>> No.17441148

Saw some at the store recently and it was ridiculously expensive. I think like $6.75 for six.

>> No.17441190

>>17433490
Not sure if bait or actually retarded, have this (you) either way

>> No.17441208

it's just a small edan cheese

>> No.17441224

>>17433490
how does paraffin wax tastes like?

>> No.17441237

>>17440921
Post yours.
inb4 thread 404s with this coward not having done it.

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>>17441237

>> No.17441286

>>17433488
kino mini cheese wheel

>> No.17441291

>>17433566
Of course it's going to taste terrible, it's wax

>> No.17441501

>>17435546
it's the best part

>> No.17441519

>>17441250
what the fuck man this is a SFW board

>> No.17441557

>>17433488
So are these made for children's lunch boxes? Cheese sticks are superior in every way.
And I'm not just memeing when I say you can taste the wax

>> No.17441565

the yellow ones are fucking disgusting

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>>17441250

>> No.17441867

>>17441128
But we are owned by China

>> No.17441875

>>17433488
they're cute and taste like shite

>> No.17441900

>>17433806
Do not put me in the screencap, and do no zoom in on my post.

>> No.17441906

>>17436992
thats a 90s kid pepe, very good

>> No.17442113

>>17433488
>knew a kid who would chew the wax after eating the cheese

>> No.17442123

>buy wedge of cheese with wax on it
>peel off the wax
>cheese on the ouside tastes like nasty wax
why do they do this?

>> No.17442149

113 posts and half of them are the same dad-tier joke about eating the wax. /ck/ has to be the most boomer infested board on 4chan.

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>113 posts and half of them are the same dad-tier joke about eating the wax. /ck/ has to be the most boomer infested board on 4chan.

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>>17442166
Look at this fucked up finger and proof to me that you are not a fucking bot.

>> No.17442250

>>17441250
What's that, did you get some HF on your hand?

>> No.17442277
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>>17433488
Why does everyone eat the small ones? The big ones are way better

>> No.17442284

>>17442192
Which finger is that?

>> No.17442286

>>17442284
Right Hand Index Finger

>> No.17442287

>>17442286
Oh you scared me. I know someone with that same problem but a different finger.

>> No.17442291

>>17442250
Nah I dunno, even my doc doesnt really know. But this shit was even worse about 9 years ago when it affected both of my hands completely, nowadays it's just the index and middle finger on my right hand and the severity depends on the weather.

>> No.17442764

>>17441250
Grandpa is that you?

>> No.17443093

>>17433488
not too long after we immigrated to canada, my dad bought it from the superstore and ate the whole thing without peeling the wax off. after he had eaten at least more than one like that, he told me, "cheese in this country tastes funny"

>> No.17443130

>>17435546
depends. do you the rind of an apple?

>> No.17443138

I don't like soft cheese unless it is melted or more or less liquid like camembert.

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>>17433488
>>17433806

>> No.17443655

>>17442277
nice triple-dubs

also that's a BIG BABY

>> No.17444503
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original is ok, but these are bretty gud

>> No.17444506

>>17439976
Kill yourself

>> No.17444513

>>17444506
holy based

>> No.17444530

I bought some for a picnic date with a woman that lead me on for months so fuck them.

>> No.17444641

>>17433488
>Office used to order these in mass until people higher up noticed at quarter of our weekly shop was on these then shut it down.
So sad.

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>>17433490

>> No.17445442

>>17433488
They were a meme food in the early 2000s. I tried some and they tasted like shit. Never ate them again.

>> No.17445567

My dad used to eat so many of these. He saved a bunch of the wax shells, mashed them into a big ball, and then carved it into a sick-ass ork head.

>> No.17445579

>>17441250
I feel your pain, eczema bro.

>> No.17445587

>>17445567
Coat the front and back of it in turn with plaster of paris and you'll have a sick mould for mashing wax into ork heads.

>> No.17445589

>>17434447
Yeah my nigga, we called them relative cheese cause we only got them when we were having family over.

>> No.17445712

>>17444503
I think you mean pretty gouda

>> No.17445713

>>17433806
When you see it, you'll shit smartphones

>> No.17445720

>>17445712
Pretty who da what?

>> No.17446241

>>17439720
They're coated in wax, not plastic.

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>>17433806
SHEEEESH
THAT CHEESE BUSSIN

>> No.17446371

thanks for reminding me to get some after work
i love every color of these lil suckas

>> No.17446392

>>17441250
Please drink more water

>> No.17447492

>>17446241
how do thye make the layering so perfect though? the vax is quite tick, so i will assume that the molds are pre made and the cheese rolls are pressed into them, then the molds fused together. what do you think burger

>> No.17447504

>>17442291
imagine living with this shit for 10 years and the only cure you have found is to go down to the downy docs and get a cream. god damn you fucking npc fagots you all need to die and this is something me and Bill Gates agrees uppon. FACT

>> No.17447520

>>17447492
They're dipped:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8DnMoFHrso&t=220s

>> No.17447530

>>17447492
Dip, wait, dip, wait, dip

>> No.17447538

>>17447530
>>17447520
>100k a day
>dipped
yeah anones i dont know

>> No.17447553

>>17447538
Machines anon, watch How It's Made sometime.
Almost everything mass-produced is on a conveyer belt or hanging in the air on a chain drive..

>> No.17447557

Hey I just saw a screen cap of this post on instagram

>> No.17447569

>>17447557
I don't doubt it.

>> No.17447651

>>17441128
Okay I'm gonna go eat a dog

>> No.17447676

>>17447520
>the paper opening strip is what's used to hang them for dipping
It seems so obvious after seeing it, but that's genius.

>> No.17448477

>>17447504
The fucks your problem faggot?

>> No.17448552

Kids were all over them when I was in elementary school (Europe) and back then 95% of cheeses disgusted me so I never had any. Today I'm eating plant-based 99% of the time, hence dairy products are no longer of interest. And of course all foods marketed at kids by corporations are shit, so from a foodie POV, just bin that stuff.

>> No.17448557

>>17436455
>mini
wait, so what's the regular size like?

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>>17448557

>> No.17448634

>>17433488
good enough, but they always leave a weird aftertaste in my mouth. I only eat more than one if I want to use the wax to make a little man. overall, 6.5/10

>> No.17448669

>>17433490
The shell is wax and you ate petrochems. The

>> No.17448670

>>17433488
worlds worst cheese by taste. tastes pathetic. unworthy of the wax wrapper

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>>17448609
where to cop

>> No.17448751

>>17433490
My dog loved eating the wax shells. Cheese for me, shells for thee

>> No.17448755

>>17433488
Almost tasteless cold, pretty pleasant room temp, not worth buying when you have to leave one out for a few hours to enjoy it

>> No.17449048

>>17433488
They taste good.

>>17433490
That dumb tumblr blog that documents this place is going to post this.

>> No.17449079

>>17433488
>Buy the Mozzarella ones
>Absolute garbage

>> No.17449088

I used to make little tanks out of the shells haha you'd take the long strip in the middle and use it to make a barrel haha and then I'd do little wargames with them and my mom would get mad

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>>17433490

>> No.17449341

>>17433488
I always end up eating way more than I intended, then make snakes out of the wax and braid them.

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>>17433490

>> No.17450230
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>>17433488
excellent cut into chunks with picrel dried tart cherries on decent crackers

>> No.17450260

>>17433488
They should let them mature until the entire thing tastes like the rind. The core is disgusting and I always throw it out.

>> No.17450352

Isn't it basically string cheese coated in wax? That's what it always tasted like to me.

Once I got my hands on butterkase I never looked back

>> No.17450372

Prefer a string cheese, biting in to a chunk of cheese is just gross.

>> No.17451553

>>17433806
Lmaooo strait bussin sussin fr

>> No.17452080

>>17433806
fucking hell thanks for that

>> No.17452090

>>17448697
You can get it in France I think. I believe I haven't seen the big ones in Austria for a while.

Apparently the minis way outsold the originals so they're mostly making the small ones these days.

>> No.17452111

>>17452090
Damn never knew that the big one was the OG, never saw it before in leaf land.

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>have light version for ages
>protein food fad rolls around
>wrap your light cheese in black foil and try to sell it for more
>people notice
>now both light and protein aren't selling

retards

>> No.17452812

>>17448609
>>17442277

They don't make the big ones anymore.

>> No.17452959

>>17452812
You shut your whore mouth

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>> No.17453177

>>17452987
literally me

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>>17433806

30 yo boomer here wtf am i missing

>> No.17453690

>>17453299
Every 16 year old with that haircut talks like that.
>t. 30 yo boomer that left retail management

>> No.17454639

>>17453690

ah fair enough i've been wfh since last year and make sure to avoid schools.

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>>17433490

>> No.17455790

>>17433490
Anon, I...

>> No.17455817

>>17452685
The light ones sell very well in bongland (8/10) rating

Never seen blacked supermarket cheese before...

>> No.17455822

They are decent but heres a good question.
do you eat them with or without the shell.

>> No.17456095
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>>17455817
Maybe it's regional. You're not missing anything, black foil aside. The wax is still red. Also light cheese is crap, no flavor.

>> No.17456127

https://youtu.be/dSFILRVKuYg

>> No.17456259

>>17433806
ong if im not in the cap no cap im bussin cheeks fr fr

>> No.17456280

>>17452812
A strong argument for gatekeeping, big babybel fags should have kept mini babybel fags out of their community

>> No.17456353

>>17433488
where do i buy theese in Denmark? havnt seen them in decades

>> No.17456476

>>17435546
It is a wax casing, meant to protect the cheese but be easy enough that a child can open. Although it is technically editable, you are not supposed to eat the wax casing. It is a wax casing, not a normal cheese rind.

>> No.17456567

>>17453299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntJJFzBXjuQ

>> No.17457943

>>17456567
Horrible

>> No.17458138

>>17433488
Its a sign of upper middle class. Only had them for a little while as a kid with some homemade wine when my other brothers were at school, turns out the local food bank gave them away and my mom had them stored away so they wouldnt disappear.

>> No.17458721

>>17445354
Biggus..............Dickus

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>>17433490

>> No.17458776

>>17433488
Overpriced, but they're not bad.

>> No.17458789

>>17433806
cheese with my haircut be sus fr

>> No.17458800

>>17456567
generation schizo

>> No.17458865

>>17442149
and that's a good thing

>> No.17459253

>>17442192
>>17441250
Go to dermatologist. They'll fix that shit in 1 - 2 weeks

>> No.17459296

>>17433488
>this shitty thread has been up for 5 days
based OP bumping his thread at the last possible second.

>> No.17460265

>>17433806
kek

>> No.17460416

>>17456567
Interdasting. Thankyou for the benefits of knowledge.

>> No.17460625

>>17442192
>>17442291
you eczema tards just go to a dermo and get some steroid cream. fucking hell.

>> No.17460653

>>17433565
>President
>Brie
Anon...