/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.17390207]

redpill me on the carnivore/keto diets

[Anonymous No.17390345]

>>17390207
You're on keto when you're sickly and have no appetite. So you're not meant to be on them for months on end, but you *could*...
Definitely these diets are not magical and don't live up to the hype. If you want to lose weight just eat better food and fewer calories. That is the ONLY wya.

[Anonymous No.17390379]

>>17390207
1% of people have the willpower to do it properly and exercise
Every fatty believes somehow this diet will give them willpower to stick with it

If done properly it's great for energy and weightloss while keeping muscle
Like he said though, you are likely better off just eating less

[Anonymous No.17390670]

>>17390207

If you don't do it, you're basically admitting you're a veggie/vegan faglord. Case closed.

[Anonymous No.17390676]

i fucking love "dirty keto" no more than 40g net carbs a day.

[Anonymous No.17390724]

>>17390207
My penis grew one inch in ketosis

[Anonymous No.17390791]

Carnivore diet is absolute nonsense peddled by the "real man" type of idiot who equates diet to masculinity. Any real dietitian will tell you that you need a mix of protein, carbs and vegetables. You can't get all the nutrients you need only from meat. The only thing Carnivore diet will do is keep you from shitting.

[Anonymous No.17390802]

>>17390791
>This post was brought to you by General Mills.

[Anonymous No.17390815]

>>17390791
Wrong. I shit out 8 pounds of water one day while in ketosis

[Anonymous No.17390925]

>>17390815
Learn reading comprehension, retard. I was talking about Carnivore diet, not keto

[Anonymous No.17390936]

>>17390791
>"Meat is for lardos"
>"Meat is a social construct"
>"Any real dietician will agree"

[Anonymous No.17390960]

>>17390936
[Le strawman has arrived! You are soy I'm epic manly man

I never said don't eat meat. I eat plenty of meat, just in addition to veggies and grains as pretty much any non-fad diet shill will tell you. Your brain is broken by /pol/ if the only options are only eating steak or soylent

[Anonymous No.17390977]

>>17390925
pretty sure carnivore is keto. if you eat so few carbs you will be ketotic no?

[Anonymous No.17391003]

>>17390207
Keto combined with intermittent fasting is probably the easiest way for most people to lose weight and fix their metabolic issues. It's not a magical fix though and I do think the emphasis on getting into ketosis is a little overhyped. The prime advantages is that you (should) eat more real foods and less processed crap on keto. The food you eat is more satiating and your insulin spikes will be less frequent. You still have to eat calorie deficient, which is where fasting comes in. Keto food is usually tasty so it's still possibe to overeat even if its filling.
Carnivore is a different beast. It's more suited to solve inflammation issues or autoimmune problems. Some people are very sensitive to lecithins and carnivore might be their best solution. The problem is that carnivore diets come with no fiber to feed your gut biome. From what I've heard you might lose your ability to eat vegetables completely.

[Anonymous No.17391005]

>>17390977
Carnivore is literally only meat and salt. Keto allows for fats and veggies. Keto has its uses but carnivire is nonsense. It is literally physically impossible to get all the nutrients you need from meat as its impossible to get all the nutrients you need from veggies. It's just the mirror image of being a vegan and is just as stupid.

[Anonymous No.17391013]

>>17390207
Meme diets that counterintuitively are healthier than vegetarian/vegan diets

[Anonymous No.17391051]

>>17390207
They're based. Every animal even cows are in a state of ketosis nearly always. It allows your body to use its own lipids for energy so you'll feel more energetic without food. Listen to your body though and if you crave eating a whole loaf of bread or something it may mean you are missing some nutrients. Avoid gluten and sugar as much as you can
>>17390345
Don't treat it like some fad diet. The average European was historically in ketosis for 90 percent of the year historically. They only ate forragged berrys and mushrooms in the spring before bread and vegetables became commonplace.

[Anonymous No.17391062]

>>17391051
Why would you want to eat the diet of a historic European peasant?

[Anonymous No.17391070]

>>17391062
>peasant
He's talking about pre-agriculture humans.

[Anonymous No.17391084]

>>17390207
The idea behind keto/low carb as a weight loss method is that insulin prevents fat mobilisation. One reason keto is recommended to fatties is that their (likely) insulin resistance means they have more insulin in their bodies for a longer time, meaning even less fat mobilisation than a healthy person, which leads to a downward spiral of getting fatter and fatter. Keto attempts to correct this by keeping their insulin super low so they can access their fat stores again.

Fat stores are also a more stable source of energy for endurance. Marathon runners can't run on glycogen because it'll run out before they finish their race and they'll feel like garbage. If they just burn fat all the time instead it fixes the problem.

Personally I'd recommend avoiding high/refined/processed carbs to everyone, regardless of the sort of food you plan on eating.

[Anonymous No.17391096]

>>17391051
Retard trying to seem intelligent by saying basic shit
Back to redit

[Anonymous No.17391112]

>>17390925
Suck my fucking ©ock

[Anonymous No.17391156]

>>17391070
return to monke?

[Anonymous No.17391480]

>>17391062
>>17391156
Gluten and seed oils and chemically modified foods make you unhappy and unhealthy. The standard diets of many people can cause cancer and most diseases. Even diseases like herpes and stuff like that have warts and sores pop up are seasonal. They only pop up sometimes which is when your body has too many toxins and trys to rid itself of them. The virus is always there, but the diet is what causes the negative effects.

[Anonymous No.17391498]

>>17391480
everybody talks about seasonal changes leading to immune system issues but nobody likes to talk about the measurable difference in solar radiation exposure on a seasonal basis.

[Anonymous No.17391499]

>>17391096
Wasn't even trying to sound smart bro. You're the one saying big four syllable words like intelligent when small word do trick

[Anonymous No.17391510]

>>17390207
for one thing, you can compltely ignore >>17390345

[Anonymous No.17391526]

>>17391498
It's a combination of radiation, mentality, and physical and dietary exposures. Even then, diet is the biggest part of it in most cases for most people. People get less sun exposure than ever and are less healthy than before.
If everyone is exposed to similar radiation, the people who eat mainly meat should be just as unhealthy as vegans which isn't true

[Anonymous No.17391540]

>>17391499
Well that's good because you sounded like a retard lol. It's like you didn't even read my post!

[Anonymous No.17391548]

>>17391526
You don't need to be in sunlight to be affected by solar radiation. In theory the lack of direct sunlight combined with the indirect radiation exposure is part of the problem.

[Anonymous No.17391875]

-Cultish Horseshoe vegans
-just as difficult to eat with

+Ngaf about insulin or insulin response
+Epilepsy and other medical issues are improved on these diets

[Anonymous No.17392085]

Ketoschizo thread

[Anonymous No.17392087]

>>17390960
>Le strawman
>/pol/
Is zero self reflection a symptom high carb diet?

[Anonymous No.17393259]

>>17390207
>redpill me on keto diets
Your body has 3 main ways of producing energy before it cannibalizes muscle and these work on a priority system of glycolysis > glycogenolysis > ketolysis. Glycolysis breaks down glucose which is basically sugars and sugar like compounds (carbs), not all is burned and some is stored as glycogen. These stores go second when you don't eat much sugars and carbs. When your glycogen stores are low, ketones are produced from fat and then burned to make the highest amount of cellular energy (ATP) of the three options at the cost of making your blood acidic (ketogenic acidosis, aka ketoacidosis). Ketones are produced in the liver, which cannot make use of ketones for energy but can keep the rest of the body going.

Pure consumption of nothing but fats will lead to a pH imbalance in your blood and effectively send you to the hospital once you kill off your glucose and glycogen reserves and your body relies solely on ketones (fats) for energy for a sustained period of time either from ketoacidosis or a literally dying liver. You essentially want to go on a "dirty" keto diet to have some freely available sugars to burn and balance your blood pH and then have a majority of the rest of your diet come from ketones.

tl;dr: carnivore diet = you will be hospitalized, keto + minimal carbs = you'll be fine

[Anonymous No.17393289]

>>17390207
I've been living most of my live on meat because I've been a picky eater since I was a kid. I'm 30 and asian, so I guess that's the reason why I'm not an obese sack of shit.

[Anonymous No.17393311]

>>17390960
reddit's that way, faggot

[Anonymous No.17393322]

>>17393259
this is the most retarded post ive ever read
imaging thinking eating carbs will stop you from getting fucked up

[Anonymous No.17393328]

>>17390207
it's an overcorrection of the great western carb problem where sugars are just put into everything and people consume them far in excess

the best diet is a balanced one with not too many carbs

[Anonymous No.17393411]

>>17390207
Can't redpill you on the most retarded diets for fucking morons I'm afraid.

[Anonymous No.17393437]

>>17393322
I'm literally a Biologist whose taken medical biochemistry. This mechanism is repeated in diabetics who cannot break down and use sugar due to a lack of insulin and have a higher incidence of ketoacidosis as a result. Carnivore diets, biochemically, essentially mimic diabetes, in a normal person you fix it by consuming sugars or in the case of a diabetic, injecting insulin. You can theoretically skip carbs if you exclusively do pure sugar + meats but that kind of defeats the purpose of avoiding high fructose corn syrup infused carb rich meals. Go be retarded somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.17393445]

>>17390207
Imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.17393446]

>>17393437
>hurr you must eat sugar to live
do amerimutts really?

[Anonymous No.17393448]

>>17390207
Eating too much meat causes cancer, keto is literal poison

[Anonymous No.17393450]

>>17393448
Not just cancer, but also Chron's and UC which you do not want to get.
I would call keto a meme diet if it wasn't so harmful lmao.

[Anonymous No.17393451]

>>17393448
Everything is poison, you idiot.

[Anonymous No.17393452]

>>17390207
you should do it to be contrarian cool dude to piss off vegans

[Anonymous No.17393456]

>>17391051
>before bread and vegetables became commonplace

before bread and vegetables began commonplace they at gruel and fucking porridge you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.17393458]

>>17393452
>get cancer to piss off vegans

[Anonymous No.17393460]

>>17393437
you stupid

[Anonymous No.17393462]

>>17393458
that's pretty much all carnivore/keto diets are for

You fart a lot, get diverculitis and cancer because you're too much of a baby to eat some vegetables

[Anonymous No.17393463]

>>17391051
Literally just link proof and I’ll belive you. Just spend 5 fucking minutes to find a relevant study and you will feel more euphoria from convincing people on the internet your superiority then you ever have before.
But you won’t because your a brain dead larping teenager. Prove me wrong (pro tip, you can’t).

[Anonymous No.17393467]

The brain literally tries to warn you when entering ketosis that what you're doing is terrible for you. This is the brain fog that people report when transitioning to prolonged ketosis.
This is only a tier above eating tide pods in terms of stupid meme diets.

[Anonymous No.17393476]

>>17393456
This has to be bait. Hurr humans only ever ate porridge and gruel durr.

[Anonymous No.17393478]

>>17393476
No but in a agrarian society this is what peasants ate you fucking retard. Otherwise they got strung up for poaching.

[Anonymous No.17393480]

>>17393476
>agrarian society has a lot of fucking grain
>lol they never ate it before bread was massly consumed
>they just grew it for shits and giggles

Can't believe there are sub zero iq retards that walk the planet

[Anonymous No.17393484]

>try carnivore for a month because shills here
>feel my IQ dropping more and more by the day
>after a week start to stutter and drool more often
>few weeks in catch myself accidentally mouthbreathing often, can smell own rotting breath even after brushing
>acid reflux after every meal
>dry, jagged turds rip my asshole once every few days
>mental clarity requires intense focus
>month later hair noticeably thinning, falls out in clumps in shower
>insomnia and cold sweats at night
>muscle cramps, lost strength, and dizziness at gym
>month later and all lost weight returns even at a caloric defecit
>PRs went down by 25%
t-thanks /ck/

[Anonymous No.17393486]

>>17393478
What the fuck are you even talking about? You're describing feudal europe in its worst stages, and calling me the retard. Use your brain for once, what is animal husbandry? Milk and cheese? Hunting was common to practice along with regular farming or herding, its not a massive worldwide switch the moment someone discovers a cereal crop you fucking spastic monkey.

[Anonymous No.17393492]

>>17393480
Yeah people just fucking walked around eating grain all the time and had animals around them as garden ornaments, actual fucking mongoloid retard.

[Anonymous No.17393497]

>>17393484
many such cases

[Anonymous No.17393505]

>>17393486
>feudal ages
You do know that the feudal ages were basically like heaven on earth compared to hunter gatherer scavenger tier starvation faggotry right?

>milk and cheese
Animal husbandry was way way way late later in the game than fucking grain.
>hunting was a common practice
Yeah by the time of human settlement the animals all fucked off the the forest and were already hunted to extinction. Your fucking fantasy novels aren't reality.

This is the fucking reality. Humans created settlements because it's easier to plant grass in the ground and harvest the seeds than move from place to place to hunt animals to extinction.

Human settlements only became a thing because you can grow enough grain to feed people

Most poor people ate fucking grain and some fish and meat if they could hunt it but it was really fucking rare because by this time there was serfdom and you get strung up by the lords if you poach on their property.

No they did not consume milk and cheese in large amounts because it spoiled within a day without refrigeration and cheese would be hard as fuck because that's the only thing that would last without refrigeration.

Salt used to be fucking rare and labor intensive to produce so there isn't enough salt in the world to mass produce cheese and meat preserves.

In short you are a fucktard who needs to stay in school

[Anonymous No.17393528]

>>17393505
>feudal ages were basically like heaven on earth compared to hunter gatherer
wrong, faggot. confirmed 14 year old that knows nothing about history, opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.17393532]

>>17393528
>wrong
No I'm pretty correct.

Hunter gatherers are a society based on luck moving from place to place with no certainty on whether you lived or died. If the animal you hunted went to extinction you could either move or attack riskier prey or fucking just die out.

Meanwhile the settlement with enough food thanks to superior agrarian technlogy is busy building larger and larger populations to wipe the fuck out of the low iq hunter gatherer hyena vulture retards.

[Anonymous No.17393533]

>>17393486
Very low IQ post. I guess Ketolards are just ignorant, brainwashed children. Reminds me of big tobacco. Sad!

[Anonymous No.17393542]

>>17393528
Why don't you read a book or a few things on the internet based on history and logic.

What fucking part of human civilization is based on two fucking grains don't you fucking get?

You eat wheat or you eat rice. You own enough land that is good for growing those things then you get to be king. Otherwise you're basically pirates who stole shit from other people because you can't into growing your own food.

There is no meat based society in antiquity and if you didn't have enough grain to feed your people, you get fucking strung up and some other dude becomes king. This has happened so many times in history you literally have to be a giant moron not to be able to comprehend the whole of human history relies on motherfucking grains.

[Anonymous No.17393548]

>>17393532
>hnnnnng you see i am much smarter becuase i use FACTS and LOGIC
14 year old retard, doubly confirmed.
a bad season means no food means horrible starvation and death, hunter gatherers are small tribes that follow the food. If you read literally any actual research on the topic you'd know hunter gatherers were on average better fed and had fewer catastrophic seasons.

[Anonymous No.17393552]

>>17393542
>reddit spacing
>"you own enough land that is good for growing those things then you get to be king
I need to adjust my age guess, this child is no older than 10. Who let you onto 4chan, child, leave.

[Anonymous No.17393553]

>>17393548
>small tribes that follow the food
Top kek, the reason the neanderthals died out is because they were 'small tribes that follow the food'

The food gets extinct and you go extinct along with it. Hunter gathering was a terrible existence which is why logically humanity became an agrarian society.

>>17393552
>hurr you're 14 years old because you know things and aren't retarded

You should try being a hunter gatherer for a few days in the forest. Bring some sticks and and stones and try not to starve or become worm food.

[Anonymous No.17393556]

>>17393553
>gave up trying
that's ok too kid, nobody's forcing you to argue really easily googled information

[Anonymous No.17393568]

>>17393556
>really easily googled information

Yeah it's pretty easy to google the fact that hunter gatherer existence was literally pathetic coin-flip life where you get merked by other hunter gatherers you're in competition with or end up stranded on some island until you figure out how to grow grain and form society.

[Anonymous No.17393569]

>>17393568
>more extremely vauge hypotheticals that have no basis in reality or relevance to a serious discussion of hunter-gatherer vs agricultural societies
I'm think I have enoguh data now, this is an 8 year old child. Child, I am done with you, go watch power rangers or something.

[Anonymous No.17393574]

>>17393569
>hypotheticals
>low life expectancy
>short lifespans
>poor health
>low height due to malnutrition

Hunter gatherer life sure was great

[Anonymous No.17393582]

>>17393569

[Anonymous No.17393593]

>>17393582
Sir I am blown away by your excellent arguments, sir please accept your nobel prize sir

[Anonymous No.17393596]

>>17393593
>I'm wrong so I'm going to be facetious like 4 year old

You must be 18 or older to post on this website

[Anonymous No.17393612]

>>17393596
child i have already told you i am not speaking with you, please, I am trying to give this man a nobel prize for groundbreaking research. please sir or maam collect your autistic child.

[Anonymous No.17393637]

>>17393612
Stopped paying attention to your retarded posts long ago.

Go live in a cave and bang rocks together because that's where you'll find happiness.

[Anonymous No.17393644]

>>17393637
very good child very good i will let you continue larping as a rich and prosperous medieval peasant

[Anonymous No.17393645]

>>17393582
What exactly qualifys as a "violent death" ?

[Anonymous No.17393657]

>>17390207
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketone_bodies
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10634967/

[Anonymous No.17393683]

>>17393645
I agree, state violence is still violence. These stats don't take into account at all the countless people killed by the state every year in modern society.

[Anonymous No.17393721]

Peasants were malnourished manlets wtf is this delusion.

[Anonymous No.17393754]

>>17393721
anon do not anger the autistic child they will scream

[Anonymous No.17393757]

>>17393574
>by today's standards

you stupid cunt.

[Anonymous No.17393759]

>>17390207
Simply weighing and tracking the calories you put in your body will go a lot further than following meme diets. You can follow vegenism/keto/vegetarianism/etc and still manage to put an ungodly amount of calories into your body if you're not careful. It might be a little bit harder to do this on a carnivore diet, but there's a lot of very fatty meat that you can overload on if you're not careful.

[Anonymous No.17393768]

>>17393259
>thinks keto is ketoacidosis

retarded midwit confirmed.

[Anonymous No.17393773]

>>17393484
let me guess you only ate muscle and fat.

[Anonymous No.17393779]

>>17393768
We are all born with a finite amount of glucose, once we use that up it's gone, no going back. Keto brainlets are using theirs up all at once.

[Anonymous No.17393792]

I love reading these threads. The vegan troons rage and I just keep losing weight on keto and enjoying life.

[Anonymous No.17393799]

>>17393792
Good 4u but not everyone is a lardass that needs to lose weight.

[Anonymous No.17393800]

>>17393792
post body if your ketoacidosis isn't so bad that you can't physically manage it

[Anonymous No.17394063]

>>17390670
I wanna have sex with that. It's rare, that fat is rendered and it has a crust. Perfect!

[Anonymous No.17394070]

>>17390207
it's for incels LARPing as "alpha males" who discovered that they can get away with saying more and more retarded shit as long as they phrase it in the form of a question

>>17393792
case in point, this guy is probably taking fishbowl cleaner and colloidal silver because some "just asking questions" guy went on joe rogan and shilled them as a redpilled alternative to (((modern medicine)))

[Anonymous No.17394122]

Carnivore diet literally turns bald man to hair thick like xi jinping.
The secret? Raw meat. Raw pork, raw chicken. Eat all the organs. Especially brain. Also rotten meat. Very easy. Leave meat on counter 6 months then enjoy. Very delectable.

[Anonymous No.17394148]

>>17390207
It helps some people with hunger management and cravings. There are also claims it has effects on hormones influencing fat depositing and may help with some chronic deseases.

I say try it if you are trying to lose weight and having trouble with hunger. If it helps you keep at it, if not, stop it. Just dont let the rapid weightloss in the first 3-6 days of keto fool you. That is mostly water and will come back the second you eat any carbs ever. It's not fat. The amount you lose after those 6 days is what you can expect to be actual fat (plus a little muscle).

[Anonymous No.17394149]

>>17394122
He clearly got a hair transplant. He wore a hat for like 4 months. The carnivore diet, sunstaring, pedo-apologizing, and children-stabbing made him go bald in the first place.

See: the kiwifarms /threads/sv3rige-kids-range-gatis.41531/page-57

[Anonymous No.17394157]

>>17391005
What nutrients can't you get from meat? I know Inuits apparently ate nothing but meat until they got Colonised.

[Anonymous No.17394159]

>>17394149
Found the seethng vegan.

Remember, if you cook your meat, you are not carnivore, you are a poseur. No carnivores know how to cook. Show me a lion who cooks his meat. That's right. Apex predator only know hunt, kill, e beg, and eat raw meat.

[Anonymous No.17394168]

>>17394159
>uR a VeGaN!1
Found the ketoschizo. Are the vegans in the room with us right now? Sv3rige is an insecure, child molesting grifter. If you idolize him you're a bigger faggot than he is. Now go give him $5 for saying your name, goodgoi.

[Anonymous No.17394178]

>>17393259
>>17393437
Thanks for the breakdown biobro.

[Anonymous No.17394201]

>>17393259
This guy clearly is clueless. Sv3rige has eaten nothing but raw meat for 5 years and he is in tip top shape.
His diet literally is raw meat, raw organs, raw milk, bananas, mandarins, finasteride, etc. All pure animal product made by nature.

[Anonymous No.17394207]

Had an ex that thought margarine was vegan and I had to show her that milk is clearly one of the ingredients.

[Anonymous No.17394222]

Heh heh

Vegans are fucking retarded

*stares at sun*

[Anonymous No.17394223]

>>17394201
There's literal proof of him eating McDonald's and chips and shit in his kiwi thread you retard. He is a grifter who cheats everyone and everything at all times. He lies to himself, everyone around him, and doesn't practice what he preaches. He is just a contrarian moron. Plus he looks deflated and malnourished lately.

[Anonymous No.17394230]

>>17393437
Did they tell you about this in biochemistry?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

You get people have lived over a year eating nothing right? Just living of their body fat. You only get ketoacidosis if you have severe diabetes or alcoloholism. Otherwise the system regulates itself.

[Anonymous No.17394232]

>>17394201
kek

[Anonymous No.17394245]

>>17391480
We know that. What's retarded is that you dumbasses think potatoes will give you cancer

[Anonymous No.17394700]

>>17394157
Nothing but you should probably eat organ meats and bone broth to get everything you need

[Anonymous No.17394731]

>>17393799
>>17393800
>>17394070
>>17394222
>>17394245

[Anonymous No.17394741]

>>17394157
Yeah and their average height is five foot four inches.

[Anonymous No.17394750]

>>17391051
why would i want to live like a medieval european lmfao

[Anonymous No.17394768]

I had Type 2 diabetes in my 20's and went keto when I turned 30. Don't know why I didn't do it sooner... probably cause doctors pushed insulin & other meds instead of just telling me to cut sugar/carbs. But haven't had an insulin shot in 4 years and haven't had blood sugar higher than 130 since.

[Anonymous No.17394845]

>>17394741
Yeah they get shorter and less healthy after they started eating grains, sugar, and vegetables

[Anonymous No.17394859]

>>17390207
Carnivore is a legit diet if you've got some stomach/intestine/allergy problems (unless meat/fat triggers it). Other than that it is kinda expensive tb h.

[Anonymous No.17394860]

>>17394845
Nope still eat what they've always eaten, just meat, quite a tussle to import that other kind of stuff, little to no carbs. Plus fun fact modern Inuit have lifespans 12 to 15 years shorter than the average Canadian and this figure remains stagnant. Some really healthy carnivore idols there, its our natural diet inherited from our lion ancestors after all :>)

[Anonymous No.17395285]

>>17390207
Meat is delicious and your poops will be solid and easy to pass.
That's about it though.

[Anonymous No.17395419]

>>17393448
>>17393450
>super soi'd faggots freaking the fuck out that people might stop eating the slave grain

[Anonymous No.17395424]

>>17393484
I tried carnivore for a couple of months.
>Black shits for a week, then they were once a week and smol
>Felt great
>Lost weight
>Lots of energy
>Couldn't work out for more than an hour
>Lost strength
Fuck sake

[Anonymous No.17395454]

>>17395424
>>Lots of energy
>>Couldn't work out for more than an hour
Isn't this kind of contradictory?

[Anonymous No.17395464]

>>17395424
Probably not enough electrolytes. If youre not going to eat leafy greens you should include some bone broth

[Anonymous No.17395566]

>>17395454
Glycogen is necessary for any meaningful aerobic exercise.

[Anonymous No.17395615]

>>17395566
lmao what a fucking moron
keep eating the grain cattle it's good for you

[Anonymous No.17395650]

>>17390791
You literally do not need carbohydrates you fucking brainlet. Your body is perfectly capable of surviving on only protein and fat.

[Anonymous No.17395697]

>>17393779
What the absolute fuck are you talking about you retard? Glucose comes from the food we eat it's not something we just have stored in our bodies from birth. How retarded are you?

[Anonymous No.17395707]

>>17395566
If you restrict carbohydrate and become fat adapted you minimize glycogen use and primarily oxidize free fatty acids and ketones

[Anonymous No.17395708]

Carnivore can work, but you need to supplement a few things. And if you think carnivore means steak and chicken wings you'll be deficient in even more. First you need more fat than muscle meat commonly contains, then you need more micronutritients (can be found in organ meats, but those can polluted).
Still, there is decent research that keto has advantages and works for certain purposes - and there is no decent research that carnivore is better than a keto diet that watches for the right kind of fat. So go for that cabbage and avocado and whipped cream. Hell, you can introduce onions, peppers, even tomatoes in small doses (though I've had the experience that small doses of sugar entice you to eat more, so only do that if you trust your discipline.)

[Anonymous No.17395711]

>>17395707
I remember from school that fat requires more oxygen to burn and is therefore a slower way to create energy.

[Anonymous No.17395798]

>>17395711
yes this is another reason keto tards are called tards, because their brain literally operates more slowly. Anyone who's tried ketosis and experienced the brain fog knows what that is.

[Anonymous No.17395808]

>>17395798
Transient effect. The clinical trials on alzheimers also show potential benefit for cognition.

[Anonymous No.17395845]

>>17395798
lmao cattle accusing carnivores of being slow

[Anonymous No.17395959]

>>17395615
what's a "grain cattle"? is that something ketolards eat to keep their IQ at room temperature aka keto brainfog?

[Anonymous No.17395967]

>>17395959
it's clearly you if that's the best you can come up with lmao

[Anonymous No.17395975]

>>17390207
Make sure it’s lean meat and slowly cooked

[Anonymous No.17395982]

>>17395967
You must be extremely lonely as most of your responses have been within 2 minutes; for hours now. 'ur a cattle/sheep/etc' is over-used. You type like a teenager and obviously give no thought to your responses, apparent given your previous posts.

KetoBrainfog™ at it's finest I guess. I would kill myself with a noose or a slug to the dome if I were this far into a redditor cult.

[Anonymous No.17396024]

>>17395424
Sounds about right.

I've read about carnivore and it's an interesting concept but ultimately very hard to make sustainable.
IIRC, it is actually possible to get everything you need from the carnivore diet without relying on supplements but that would require eating a large variety of meats, fish, dairy, and most importantly, organs.
It's a great diet for cleansing once in a while but going further than that is difficult.

In regards to ketogenic diets in general, the diminished gym performance aligns with what I've heard too.
People on keto seem to perform consistently worse in the gym than people who do consume carbs.

[Anonymous No.17396036]

>>17396024
The clinical trials show performance is the same if not better once fat adapted. Granted if you dont give adequate electrolytes performance will suffer.

[Anonymous No.17396059]

>>17396036
>In our study KD athletes lost fat mass without any detrimental effects on strength, power and muscle mass. When the goal is a rapid weight reduction in such athletes, the use of a KD should be taken into account
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34530857/
Relatively short trial you might see even greater benefit given more time

[Anonymous No.17396316]

>>17396036
>>17396059
>western diet vs ketogenic diet
also >n=8
>lower fat but same counter movement jump despite lower weight = lower muscular performance = you didn't read the study dipshit
>extra cellular water (−3.43% KD vs 0.03% WD)
There were no changes for absolute and relative (Kcal/Kg) REE in both groups even though KD showed a greater Δ pre vs post difference=1.32 Kcal/Kgbw/day, ES: Cohen’s d: 0.6, simple main effect KD; Pbonf<0.001), whilst RER decreased significantly in KD (time *diet interaction p=0.0008), further indicating a good compliance to KD diet.
>data suggesting that the fat loss induced by a ketogenic diet relies only on calorie deficit

>
>such outpatient weight loss diets may lead to greater body fat loss because of decreased energy intake and/or increased physical activity” [67] that we unfortunately didn’t measured.
>
>To minimize the burden on subjects, tests were performed at only at 2 time points

KD lost only waterweight and saw reduced performance and only kept their muscle
WD increases muscle tissue while losing weight
https://rdcu.be/cGyDt
Read the actual study and you'll laugh your sides off

[Anonymous No.17396320]

Where does the idea of eating meat only comes from? Whenever I hear about keto, it's always meat and veggies. Regardless of your diet, it will only benefit you to cut out flour and added sugar.

[Anonymous No.17396325]

>>17390207
grains are literally a binge food for me. Eating low carb/keto has saved me from becoming obese. End of story

[Anonymous No.17396393]

>>17396316
>>lower fat but same counter movement jump despite lower weight
How do you figure that?
>CMJ significantly improved (p = 0.0021) only in KD.

[Anonymous No.17396397]

>>17396316
And they lost visceral fat as well which you carefully removed. Weird...
> There was a significantly higher decrease of body fat (p = 0.0359), visceral adipose tissue (VAT) (p = 0.0018), waist circumference (p = 0.0185) and extra-cellular water (p = 0.0060) in KD compared to WD group.

[Anonymous No.17396436]

>>17396393
>>17396397
Learn to read a study, moron.

[Anonymous No.17396454]

>>17396436
enlighten me how you ignore the visceral fat change and conclude its all water weight

[Anonymous No.17396578]

>um excuse me sweaty but i'll have you know a carefully controlled keto diet SNIFF a carefully controlled keto diet also produces a noticeable reduction in SNIFF in visceral fat SNIFF of cousre I am an educated and learned gentleman so I understand the biochemical impications of this, unlike you foolish carbohydrate eaters.

[Anonymous No.17396609]

>>17396578
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.17396873]

>>17395707
Show me a ketard doing endurance sports. Keto is a co-brand of crossfit.

[Anonymous No.17396878]

>>17396578
I have been sniffing... I assumed it was covid?

[Anonymous No.17397367]

>>17391062
Because the peasant ate what we now call "organic free range grass fed bio" food.

[Anonymous No.17397374]

>>17393463
>LINK THE SOYENCE
>chemical reactions are... LE BAD

[Anonymous No.17397376]

>>17396873
You are not an athlete and never will be. Show me an athlete who eats rice and chicken breast.

[Anonymous No.17397380]

>>17390207
I bought a steak the other day and tried to cook it in my cast iron skillet, both sides of the steak were blackened but when I went to eat it the inside of the steak was still basically raw/extremely rare. I've had diarrhea for 3 days now, is this normal? I've eaten steak tons of times in my life but never had this happen, is this normal for undercooked meats?

[Anonymous No.17397397]

>>17397380
You used too much heat. Not bormal

[Anonymous No.17397444]

>>17397376

[Anonymous No.17397496]

>>17390207
It's ok if you eat my meat and drink it all.
If not, you are a faggot.

[Anonymous No.17397506]

>>17390670
ketolards are literally vegans

[Anonymous No.17397529]

>>17397380
Pans too hot, cook it at a lower temp then let it set off heat 10 or so minutes to self-cook to your desired doneness. If you want, throw it back in the pan at higher heat if you want a bit of char on the outside.

[Anonymous No.17397602]

>>17397444

[Anonymous No.17397782]

>>17390207
Any extreme category restriction diet is probably going to help you lose weight especially initially, because you will be so bored from the limited amount of things you are able to eat that you will stop eating for pleasure.

Carnivore and keto are nice because your blood sugar is basically always low so you’ll always be mobilizing lipids and catabolizing triglycerides to fuel gluconeogensis and/or ketosis (if you cut enough carbs). Keto is really great for people with type ii diabetes because it takes off a lot of the diabetic stress because you need a lot less insulin to function. Also it helps non-alcoholic fatty liver disease because you start burning that stuff and it doesn’t sit around damaging your liver.

I find keto gives me good appetite suppression. My brother finds the same for carnivore.

Carnivore is a good diet for figuring out food sensitivities. You go down to just beef and slowly add things back in to see how you feel, and you know what to cut out. The problem with carnivore is that even if we were carnivores in the Paleolithic, we weren’t eating just muscle. We were eating organ meat and the skin and cracking open bones for marrow. You need more than the nutrients that muscle supplies.

[Anonymous No.17397785]

>>17391003
>The prime advantages is that you (should) eat more real foods and less processed crap on keto.
100%. If you’re doing keto correctly your diet will consist of meat, green vegetables, cream, cheese, butter, lard, etc. it won’t be a fast food meal with tons of french fries and soda. And it won’t be easy frozen meals. Or snack foods like chips and candy. It will be real whole food like a grilled steak with a chef’s salad and some steamed broccoli and butter. A good meal but harder to overeat or eat from boredom.

[Anonymous No.17398003]

>>17390379
>1% of people have the willpower to do it properly and exercise
The secret is to not be "smart" starve and yourself.

If you go hungry yor willpower reduces a lot.

[Anonymous No.17398006]

>>17390207
cant shit and when you do it is super stinky

[Anonymous No.17398107]

>>17390791
>You can't get all the nutrients you need only from meat.
What nutrients?

[Anonymous No.17398190]

>>17397782
>The problem with carnivore is that even if we were carnivores in the Paleolithic, we weren’t eating just muscle. We were eating organ meat and the skin and cracking open bones for marrow.
So? What's stopping you from eating organs, skin and marrow on a carnivore diet? Those are still "meat" in an extended sense.

[Anonymous No.17398193]

you probably dont have the genes for it

[Anonymous No.17398238]

>>17396320
>on keto, I want a steak and side of broccoli
>eww broccoli, I'll just eat the steak
thus carnivore diet was born

[Anonymous No.17398377]

I have a very small penis. 5 cm erect. My wife and her boyfriends Tyrone and Jamal always make fun of me when they're together. I am very ashamed.
I found out carnivore diet can heal many shortcomings like lack of hair, balls, manhood, etc. I went on the diet eating specially only penises. Cow penis, pig penis, chicken penis. After 3 months my dick grew 20cm!!! I am now literally hung like a bull.
Unfortunately Tyrone has a 30cm penis. My wife says once you go black you ain't never going back. I am now kicked out of my own house and the judge orders me to pay all of their expenses. I need all your help please donate to my Patreon.

[Anonymous No.17398389]

>>17391062
>>17394750
The historic white man was the ubermensch, it is said that he could generate spices using his organs which is why whites don't season their food today. He was also able to withstand the strongest opioids without overdosing. He prayed to the Nordic gods and kissed his dog on the lips every day. Of course this was all before da jewish man done came an took our superpowers away n shiet.

[Anonymous No.17398393]

>>17397602

[Anonymous No.17398397]

It's a good diet and I felt so good on it but it's hard to eat the calories you need, to even eat that much would feel like over eating but you feel the effects of not eating enough if you try to work out or something
Losing weight and keeping the weight off requires more than just a fad diet, you need to change your lifestyle completely, unless you can make keto work for you

[Anonymous No.17398411]

>>17398377
>T.

[Anonymous No.17398479]

>>17390676
you aren't keto

[Anonymous No.17398491]

>>17390207
Not long term sustainable. You should only go full keto for a few weeks at a time to clear up your skin and regain some insulin sensitivity. Your brain runs faster on some carbs.
The true redpill is to eat a balanced diet where carbs are like 1/3 of calories and then doing 100 hour Snake Juice fasts every few months.

[Anonymous No.17398523]

>>17398411
Are these eye bags caused by antidepressants?

[Anonymous No.17398573]

>>17398523
No, being vegan just makes you age 30 years in 5 unless you buy expensive supplements. Even then, it's terrible for you and gives you jew killing farts.

[Anonymous No.17398598]

>>17390724
For real?

[Anonymous No.17398602]

>>17398573
Thanks for the non answer dipshit

[Anonymous No.17398619]

>>17391062
They didn't have cancer or heart disease.

[Anonymous No.17398624]

>>17398573
>expensive supplements
Multivitamins are actually very cheap for what they give you. Anyone who has an eliminative diet should take one. Hell, anyone who doesn't take care to eat a very diverse and high nutrient diet would be better served to take one.

[Anonymous No.17398637]

>>17398523
No, these are the vegan equivalent of carnivore dieters, clean raw vegan is a retarded diet. Most likely she believes any medication is evil.

[Anonymous No.17398647]

>>17398389
Nothing funny about making fun of white people LITERALLY FUCKING DYING from opiates you fucking deranged vegan tranny. Those are peoples LIVES, enjoy hell subhuman.

[Anonymous No.17398648]

>>17398637
I see ppl with the same eye bags who aren't on any diet. Dumbass

[Anonymous No.17398725]

>>17390936
Why did she put his condition in blast like that
Why would she put his condition in blast like that

[Anonymous No.17398748]

>>17398598
Sorry. I lied for attention.

[Anonymous No.17398770]

>>17396873
>>17397376
Endurance athletes live much shorter than the average so I don't see how they are even supposed to be some guideline to how to live

[Anonymous No.17398910]

>>17398624
About vitamins: I bought some D-vitamins because we don't get any sun this time of year. The 70 μg and the 10 μg ones were basically the same price, so I figured I could just buy the former and then take them once a week, instead of 10 μg every day. Is that how it works?

[Anonymous No.17398944]

>>17398910
It is for vitamin d.

[Anonymous No.17399002]

Ketofag here.

Do not use me as your role model or you may end up with a life like mine.have tried a bunch of diets, including but not limited to: paleo, vegan, less-strict vegetable based than vegan, protein power diet, weight watchers, body for life, 4 hour body, and a bunch of others. Of these not keto options I basically only recommend 4 hour body and body for life; 4hb is the better book but body for life probably has a better baseline expectation of what 'healthy gym habits' should look like than outright 4-hours-at-the-gym shit.

weight loss is different than fat loss. I've lost weight with all of these, but consistently with keto I lose fat rather than muscle mass. I also am able to do this while maintaining high energy levels, good clear focus, and all of my other life expectations.

my diet is meat and or animal fat based, but with a close-to-equal volume of plants ("green leafy vegetables" + herbs and spices -no fruits faggot). A good example meal is a bratwurst, a hamburger patty, a slice or two of cheese, and a small pile of kimchi, usually along water or coffee or propel/sugar free electrolyte beverage. I don't take supplemental ketones, and I consistently blow a 2.5+ on a meter.

if you get your fiber and electrolytes, there is no 'keto flu'.

sweets are a thing that could derail me, so identifying this and having an acceptable variety of sweets has been critical. Sugar alcohols and additives in the 'sugar free' chocolates/candies etc you can buy at the store have made them a no-go; the hershey's sugar free chocolate chips consistently give me stomach cramps, however your mileage may vary. The 'sugar alcohol' -> 'replacement for sugar' is just 'a different chemical form of sugar that they're allowed to label as 'not sugar'', stay away. My baseline "i need something sweet" treat is keto cheesecake in a coffee cup in the microwave. google it.

Basically at this point I plan to be on some version of a ketosis centered diet for the rest of my life.

[Anonymous No.17399004]

>>17398944
Is it different for other vitamins?

[Anonymous No.17399096]

>>17398190
The problem is how people practice carnivore. Many just end up eating muscle meat instead of the whole animal

[Anonymous No.17399174]

>>17399096
I think the main issue is that carnivore is a fucking meme diet. Inuits are the mythical prehistoric carnivores and they live 12-15 years less than the average Canadian and are quite short. Varied diets are always better.

[Anonymous No.17399359]

Been 170-180 lbs for the past decade. 6’1”.
I eat a diet consisting of mainly vegetables and meat. I eat a large amount of meat including chicken, beef, eggs, fish etc. I like a practical “diet” rather than a diet trend that is only temporary because of how ridiculous it is.
I also “fast” a few times a week sometimes going 12-16 hours without food which probably helps me maintain my weight because I eat a lot. I think eating a lot of meat the night before suppresses my appetite until lunch time

[Anonymous No.17399365]

Everyone who starts blaming certain food for their problems end up with some kind of meme diets. They always end up mentally ill and allergic to food normal people can eat with no problem.

[Anonymous No.17399469]

>>17391051
>The average European was historically in ketosis for 90 percent of the year historically.
What year was this? Provide some sources. Humans and their ancestors spent a few million years developing a carb-based digestive system, so the idea that Europeans branched off and quickly developed a different meat-based one is hard to believe.