Coffee Time General /ctg/

[Anonymous No.16935832]

Takeaway edition

Takeaway coffee in a cup. What's in it?

[Anonymous No.16935882]

its eleven thirty at night, why the fuck are you making a new ctg
who's up drinking coffee at this hour *siiiip*

[Anonymous No.16935888]

That's some real classic shakeoshi- well milkshakes as they call them these days. Four parts white and a good shot o' black for good measure. Now just drag your dipstick in there with a bit o the ole back 'n forth and wa la. Simple as

[Anonymous No.16935980]

Might as well ask now and check answers in the morning

When I first got into coffee about 10 years ago, I watched some youtube videos on espresso making. There were a lot of expiremental tips like notching or sloping the grounds in the basket with the tamper, one guy even suggested putting the filled portafilter in the freezer. Videos like that were common, it wasn't one-off advice.

Fast foward today I recently started youtubing espresso extensively, but there was a change. The only advice, and I mean the only advice, is that the grounds in the basket should be completely flat and evenly distributed because the point is for water to flow evenly. This is the only thing that can make sense, you can't rationalize anything else. What the fuck did I watch 10 years ago? I watched video after video and could not find those retarded basket tricks again. I didn't imagine this right? Were people retarded with espresso around 2010?

[Anonymous No.16935984]

>>16935980
Monkey see, monkey do
Not my circus, not my monkeys
Simple as

[Anonymous No.16935991]

>>16935980
People never stopped being retarded with espresso, anon.

[Anonymous No.16935994]

fuck's sake, does anyone on this board actually cook?

[Anonymous No.16936168]

>>16935994
cook coffee?

[Anonymous No.16936259]

>>16935832
What is the best setup for coffee while outdoors? I have a Moka pot and hand grinder, but I'd like some milk substitute as well. I don't think the aeropress is a good idea cause of the paper filters producing waste.

[Anonymous No.16936334]

>>16935991
What this anon says. Same vloggers went experimenting with alternative brewing and shit like portable espresso machines you're supposed to brew yourself a pseudo-9bar cuppa in the forest

[Anonymous No.16936335]

>>16935994
Coffee is brewed, not cooked

[Anonymous No.16936345]

>>16936259
There are metal mesh reusable filters for aeropress, 2 dollars or something. By outdoors i assume you mean camping, trailing? Maybe get some powdered milk or cream

[Anonymous No.16936498]

What's a good coffee maker? I don't have time in the morning to babysit my Chemex, and it isn't anything a machine couldn't do.

[Anonymous No.16936556]

>>16936498
Ratio 8

[Anonymous No.16936651]

>>16936556
Fuck that's expensive. Anything under 100 or maybe 150?

[Anonymous No.16936711]

>>16936651
No. That's the price of convenience. If you're too lazy to pour water, pay several hundred for the privilege of an automated nozzle.

[Anonymous No.16936738]

>>16936168
>>16936335
I dunno. I "cook" coffee. Coffee insiders call it "roasting". At least a few people here do it. But you can also use brewed coffee as a cooking ingredient. You see it most often in dessert recipes. Sometimes people use coffee grounds in dry rubs for meats.

[Anonymous No.16936884]

>>16935832
I have tried latte art and I always end up with just a foamy mess… is there anything I can do to get better? Do I need to foam my milk better? Do I need better milk? Better steam wand?

>inb4 git gud

[Anonymous No.16936908]

>>16936884
>Do I need to foam my milk better?
Probably
My guess is you’re oversteaming and creating too much macrofoam and bubbliness

Hold your steaming pitcher by the bottom rather than the handle so you can really feel the temperature inside it should never be too hot to touch comfortably
The consistency of the steamed milk should be like white paint

[Anonymous No.16937253]

>Imagine if we lived in a world where coffee grinders actually operated by a universal standard for micron sizes that where accurate enough to be applicable. Imagine, I want to imagine, why can't I imagine.. is this too much to ask for? Why don't they? Because we live in a way of hypercritical people that would complain that their machine calibration drifted .5 of a micron with a change of season and that it resulted in a coffee that offended them? Why? .....imagine.

[Anonymous No.16937310]

>>16936738
>Coffee insiders call it "roasting"

so do people who drink folgers and maxwell house from a $10 drip machine

[Anonymous No.16937326]

>>16937310
Roasties drink folgers, not roasters.

[Anonymous No.16937365]

>>16936884
Probably just too much foam, there's a difference between making a big head of foam and a small head of foam for lattes. You can youtube good insturctional videos.

The way I've seen it explained is you want to barely aerate the milk by only lifting the wand out of the milk enough to make a soft "tschh tschh tschh" scraping sound. No big slurps unless its a cappuccino. You want to do this quickly when the milk is still cool, once the milk is neutral or warm you need to submerge the wand and roll/vortex the milk to blend the bubbles you made. If your steam wand is powerful you'll get a stronger vortex and it'll break up big bubbles better if you did a bad job. Before you pour your milk bang it on the counter to break up big bubbles that are still left, and swirl the pitcher to mix the head of foam and liquid as much as possible.

Another problem could be on the espresso side. The crema needs to move out of the way for art to happen. Many ways to do this, use cups are wide enough so it can spread out, or wait for the crema to dissipate a little bit, and when you start your pour hold the pitcher high and zig it around to break up the surface tension.

[Anonymous No.16937788]

coof

[Anonymous No.16938140]

coof

[Anonymous No.16938184]

I have bags of roasted whole bean coffe that I ordered from Bones Coffee like 6 months ago that aren't opened,

still good or nah?

[Anonymous No.16938220]

>>16938184
I said in your thread you may as well try it. Might be drinkable.
t. roaster

[Anonymous No.16938238]

>>16938220
Oh I know, I made that thread and didn't realize this one was here, so I am just retarded and killed a thread, my bad.

[Anonymous No.16938243]

>>16938238
Nobody cares if you killed a fast food thread.

[Anonymous No.16938491]

>>16935832
So after a while of shitty, unpredictable pourovers, I got myself a better grinder (Timemore Chestnut C2). The second cup I made with it was the best cup of coffee I've ever had. All this time wasted trying to dial in my shitty Porlex and I got a perfect cup on my second try. Hofffag method pretty much every time; no changes other than the grinder. It only cost a little more, too. I don't know why I waited so long. It also grinds 3x faster and doesn't get stuck, and it's way more comfortable to hold and grind.

Anyway, this means that I'm finally going to roast my own coffee again. I might take pics if I do it later today. There's this one Ethiopian coffee (Guji-Dimtu) that I could tell was amazing even with shitty sour pourovers, and I'm excited as fuck to try it with my new grinder.

[Anonymous No.16938548]

>>16938184
You're not gonna get anywhere near the same amount of nuance/complexity than if it were fresh. It's not gonna make you ill or taste off if anything it'll just taste like brown. Maybe some vague notes of what it used to taste like, but likely pretty bland

[Anonymous No.16938820]

>>16938491
I did this, too. I saved some of last year's coffees for the sake of comparison before and after upgrading grinders. Need the exact same coffee for a valid comparison. The new grinder blew the old one away. Guji region coffees are great.

[Anonymous No.16938908]

>>16938820
Yeah, I did multiple back-to-back tests with the exact same coffee and ratio, and I got a sour or bland, silty cup every single time with the shit grinder. Sour cup on my first try with the new one, and absolutely perfect on the second.
>Guji region coffees are great
I'm fucking excited, man. This one's naturally processed. What do you do for degassing the beans, or is that a meme?

[Anonymous No.16939214]

>>16938491
Its astounding how much difference $20 can make huh?

[Anonymous No.16939230]

>>16939214
It's kind of absurd. I'm even thinking about returning this thing for a 1zpresso JX, but I much prefer the look and grip of the Timemore.

[Anonymous No.16939251]

Anyone here ever grind espresso? How long does it take per shot?

[Anonymous No.16939260]

>>16939251
hand grind*

[Anonymous No.16939282]

>>16939251
~a minute with a very light roast 18g dose on a kinu. My kettle and machine don't heat nearly that fast so its not like I'm in a rush.
>>16939230
Do it if you can. Regardless its going to fall on your shoulders to keep the next moron from buying a porlex.

[Anonymous No.16939322]

>>16939282
I know, anon. Say, have you used a JX before?

[Anonymous No.16939334]

>>16939322
I have not, but the discord homos all love them.

[Anonymous No.16939348]

for me, it's the $2 7-11 latte with an extra shot. Has to be the old machines tho, the new touchscreen ones make a horrible watery creme.

[Anonymous No.16939393]

>>16938908
A good grinder makes a hell of a lot of difference, doesn't it? I find dry process Ethiopians are perfectly good for pourovers 24 hours after roasting. This is based on my limited experience of 8 different dry process Ethiopians since I started learning how to roast. I was rambling about it a little bit in the last thread. Only a few hours after roasting the flavors were all there, but they don't taste cohesive. All the flavors come in disjointed waves. It's a weird thing. One theory someone put out there was the offgassing of CO2 interferes with the way water hits the grounds.

[Anonymous No.16939411]

>>16939322
>>16939334
I have the k-plus, and it's fantastic for pourover.

[Anonymous No.16939444]

>>16939393
Interesting. Yeah, I had figured that's what gassing/blooming was doing. How do you store yours while they're airing out? Open jar, jar with lid slightly open, open ziploc, closed ziploc, or...?
>>16939411
I'm pretty tempted. The C2 looks and feels much better to me, but I know the grind consistency would be a good amount better with the JX.

[Anonymous No.16939482]

>>16939444
I always use 1qt ziploc freezer bags. I open them a little and squeeze the air out if they get puffy. I only roast 1 week of coffee at a time.

[Anonymous No.16939508]

>>16939348
I'm reminded of a foreign meme from a couple year ago. They got new sleek new self-serve coffee machines in Japanese 7-11s, but staff were apparently worried that the interface wasn't intuitive enough so they covered them in an almost demeaning amount of stickers explaining things like:
>"For a LARGE coffee, please press the LARGE button."

[Anonymous No.16939525]

>>16939508
>tl note: LARGE means big cup

[Anonymous No.16939547]

>>16939508
those 7-11 machines make coffee as good as the average coffee shop for half the price. They single handedly increased customer traffic 10 fold. In the mornings its normal for a crowd of people to be lined up for coffee.
and now the stupid fucks are ruining everything by replacing the machines with shitty ones that make noticeably inferior coffee. It's just fucking dumb and annoying.

[Anonymous No.16939597]

>>16939547
>those 7-11 machines make coffee as good as the average coffee shop for half the price.
cafebros I don't feel so good...

[Anonymous No.16939706]

>>16939547
>as good as the average coffee shop for half the price
citation needed.

[Anonymous No.16939780]

>>16939706
https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/b0ryak/the_coffee_at_711_is_totally_underated/

>reddit
you wanted normies citation fuckface. or just google "australian 7-11 coffee". It's become a cultural icon of sorts.

[Anonymous No.16939813]

>>16939706
and just to clarify- the machines are basically automated baristas. The beans are in a tube on top and are ground fresh for each serve and the milk is properly steamed and separated.

[Anonymous No.16939908]

>>16935832
What are these?
They look good

[Anonymous No.16939915]

who would win a coffee making contest, a 7-11 coffee maker or a 7 time WBC gold medalist using an aeropress

[Anonymous No.16939933]

>>16939915
Tie?

[Anonymous No.16939958]

>>16939780
>I'm a bit of a snob. Coffee food wine you name it.
LOL.

[Anonymous No.16939982]

>>16939597
>>16939706
They were basically gutted espresso machines making americanos. You compare that to your average carafe that might get refiled two or three times a day by the gas station attendant, and yeah it'll end up on top.

[Anonymous No.16939986]

>>16939915
>aeropress
7-Eleven.

[Anonymous No.16939996]

>>16939780
>australian
opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.16940218]

Got a drip attachment to make coffee Vietnamese-style. Was a b-day present.

>>16936335
>>16939348
>>16939508
I doubt that brewed 7-11 coffee is any good but it's cheap enough that I would give it a try..

[Anonymous No.16940444]

Anyone know the glass decanters like the one in pic related?

[Anonymous No.16940451]

>>16940444
saw something almost exactly like this with a cork topper at ikea
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/ikea-365-carafe-with-stopper-clear-glass-cork-90279719/

[Anonymous No.16940459]

>>16940451
thx bro

[Anonymous No.16941361]

>>16935832
black coffee is so gross
ive been drinking it exclusively for three days now because i want to like it
but this cup is just straight up yucky

[Anonymous No.16941368]

Ayooo niggas my Gaggia arrived! I’ll be making coffee all day today
Any tips?

[Anonymous No.16941518]

>>16941368
Following up, it makes good coffee but I’m a retard and I used a cup too big
Check out that crema tho

[Anonymous No.16941792]

Opened a bag of year + old kona today and pulled a shot 12 g in 36 g out. Primarily tasted chocolatey and roasty. I'll chalk it up to the age. Apple crisp on the side, v. good breakfast

[Anonymous No.16941984]

>be the tard that asked about a cheap French press
>use press twice with a medium-dark roast, coarse grind
>add proportionate amounts of grinds and water just off the boil
>steep for 4-5 minutes
>press and pour
Dashes of milk disappear into the dark coffee, but it's just weaker than I expected, though I'm getting coffee bitterness and not sour notes. Am I doing something wrong, way off on ratio (rounded tbsp per 4 oz water in), or should I not expect it to be motor oil like a dark roast in a drip brewer?

[Anonymous No.16942060]

>>16940218
>Vietnamese-style
My 1 portion phin filter just came in with some Vietnam robusta from a local roaster. I didn't expect it to be so different than when i prepare a basic V pourover of the same beans. Brewing/dripping time is much longer than my V. Got a stronger brew with less grounds by weight. It dripped for almost 4 minutes.

[Anonymous No.16942478]

Previous thread had me thinking about asking for pure robusta in coffee shops and guess what, none have it. Baristas looked at me almost with palpable disgust when i asked for it. Then i started thinking about all those oldschool coffee shop classics, ice cream, gezve, einspanner, whatever which you can't order in "we have everything" 3rd wave coffee shops that actually just push for 7 types of filter coffee. Am i overthinking this?
Also, what's with the Aeropress hate?

[Anonymous No.16942508]

>>16942478
i am trans btw

[Anonymous No.16942522]

>>16936259
Phin

[Anonymous No.16942722]

>>16941368
it's the classic right? People pay way too much for these used on ebay because its no longer a secret. It's "holding its value" to the point that it doesn't hold value because you might as well buy a new one.

Anyway they tell you to ditch the pressure basket with the 1 smale hole in the bottom and mod the pressure down to 9 or 6 bar. Really easy to do.

[Anonymous No.16942723]

>>16942478
>Also, what's with the Aeropress hate?

Its been used by baristas since 2005 and has yet to win a world brewers cup. I don't even believe its had a top 10 placement. Seems self explanatory. If it were capable of making better coffee (insert random pourover cone), it would have by now. The people who made the fucking goatmug have a first place finish, but the darling of the coffee industry has to make their own competition because they were incapable of competing with the rest.

[Anonymous No.16942744]

>>16942723
>If it were capable of making better coffee
Than*

[Anonymous No.16942761]

>>16942744
Try harder ESL

[Anonymous No.16942812]

>>16942761
https://www.authorlearningcenter.com/editing/basic-editing/w/common-mistakes/7349/7-mistakes-writers-should-avoid-when-self-editing
>1. Editing while they write

[Anonymous No.16942839]

>>16942723
>Its been used by baristas since 2005 and has yet to win a world brewers cup.

not that anon, and I don't know hardly anything about coffee, but knowing how other competitions are conducted I have to ask if you are taking a massive mental shortcut here. Is the WBC apolitical, blind taste tested?

[Anonymous No.16942874]

>>16942839
I also wonder if it's somewhat based on the presentation the baristas are giving, with the music and all that bullshit. Nothing too showy about pouring coffee in a tube and pressing it out, but when you get little miss chang up there pouring two kettles at a time, it really tingles their dingles.

[Anonymous No.16942876]

Can someone explain to me why are there 10 different pourover cones/firms? Hario V60, Chemex, OXO, Kalita, this one >>16942723. Do third wave coffee shops keep all that just for the design if it's producing the same damn result?

[Anonymous No.16942885]

>>16942839
The judges taste the coffee in front of them. The judges are not allowed to judge their own country for the finals. 10 minutes to (explain and) brew 3 cups, any manual, unpowered method allowed. The guy with the highest compulsory score(taste) got DQ'd for going over time this year. You'd think the aeropress would shine under these conditions.

https://youtu.be/_7azuIxdRF4
https://youtu.be/RyE5dvRTox8

[Anonymous No.16942908]

>>16942885
It's shit. They should have made baristas work under combat conditions. Make 2 cappuccinos, 3 late 1 with oat, one with coconut milk, then whatever pourover they want, then more orders.

[Anonymous No.16942914]

>>16942874
Presentation plays into it, but its not pageantry. Just how well they explain what they're doing and how clean and efficient they are while brewing.
>>16942876
Most will specialize in one cone. You might have a shop that will do one size of v60 for small cups, and an upcharge on a larger chemex. The shop I frequent uses only clever drippers.
>Hario V60-Standard, tried and true. Cheap. Like $8 cheap.
>Chemex- significantly more paper in the filter, built in carafe, people use it because it was in friends
>Kalita-flat bottom filters
>Oxo-flat bottom filters+auto dripping
>Gina-standard v60 style filters, but it has a valve at the bottom to control your drip rate.
>Origami-can use v60 style or kalita style filters.

They're all going to have pros and cons. I bought an origami so I could use multiple papers back when people were freaking out over filter shortages.

[Anonymous No.16942917]

>>16942885
>You'd think the aeropress would shine under these conditions.

Why? Placebo is a powerful factor here, and it's hard to talk up and show off a plastic tube.

[Anonymous No.16942919]

>>16942908
That's the world brewers cup, not the world barista championship. Bunch more faggotry in that wbc. I think its 3 espresso drinks, 1 straight, 1 milk, 1 "signature". Hosted at the same event, different contests.

https://youtu.be/FoOw2oq5ZSU

[Anonymous No.16942923]

>>16942917
Strict time limit. You're not going to breach 10minutes and get dq'd when you can just HNNNNNNNNNNNG in front of the judges and squirt out some brown water. Seems easier to travel with a few plastic tubes than pieces of fragile ceramic like alot of people do.

[Anonymous No.16942930]

So, Aeropress is a productive but not a show-y apparatus.

[Anonymous No.16942939]

>>16942919
>put on the headphones to enjoy coffee asmr
Jeesus, it's just a drink. Chill out, professionals.

[Anonymous No.16942947]

>>16942923
Lacking a failure mode isn't going to get you passed the "highest compulsory score" problem and win you the competition.

[Anonymous No.16942961]

>>16942930
So it should score extremely high in the compulsory score, but not in the open presentation scoring? Didn't happen the few times APs have shown up. This guy made great coffee with a shitty nervous service. Presslets should at least be able to do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdBqTnllQNc
>>16942939
> Bunch more faggotry in that wbc.
I'd give that guy a few extra points for every minute I didn't have to listen to him. He knows what he's doing.

[Anonymous No.16942976]

>>16942961
>So it should score extremely high in the compulsory score, but not in the open presentation scoring? Didn't happen the few times APs have shown up. This guy made great coffee with a shitty nervous service. Presslets should at least be able to do that.

Well we don't know how much distortion placebo is causing, so no one can say. Also the judges may not be biased against a nervous or sloppy contestant, but may be biased against equipment, even unknowingly.

Anyway I trust coffee judges tasting coffee about as much as audio judges listening to speakers. A lot if its a blind test, and not at all if it isnt.

[Anonymous No.16942988]

>>16935832
I quit drinking coffee after my best friend died...

[Anonymous No.16942996]

>>16942947
The first round starts with competition provided beans, then your own beans and service. Top 6 advance to finals.
>In this Championship, competitors prepare and serve three individual beverages for a panel of judges. The Championship consists of two rounds: a first round and a finals round. During the first round competitors complete two coffee services – a compulsory service and an open service. For the compulsory service, competitors prepare three beverages utilizing whole bean coffee provided to them by the competition. For the open service, competitors may utilize any whole bean coffee of their choosing and must also accompany their beverage preparation with a presentation. The six competitors with the highest score from the first round will go on to compete in the finals round consisting exclusively of an open service.

http://www.worldbrewerscup.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/2021-WBrC-Combined-Rankings.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzI16LSYAwDZfFOUPPDOQEy4WQYzd3piL

[Anonymous No.16943011]

>>16942976
>Also the judges may not be biased against a nervous or sloppy contestant

>No “presentation” should be performed whatsoever. Competitors should endeavor to
work quietly. If the Head Judge determines that the competitor is endeavoring to
influence or “present” to the judges the competitor may be disqualified.
>Competitors will not prepare their coffees at the judging table. The judging table is for
the evaluation of the beverages only, and judges will not be able to observe the
preparation.

I'm not seeing anything limiting the ap from scoring high in the nonperformative taste test with normalized beans.

[Anonymous No.16943014]

>>16942996
So there's no presentation in the compulsory service? Do the judges know what method is making the coffee?

If that's the case, that's how I'd judge the best method with WBC results. The finals is all open service with presentation and will have the most distortion by placebo

[Anonymous No.16943028]

>>16942988
What's the connection?
>>16942976
>I trust coffee judges tasting coffee about as much as audio judges listening to speakers. A lot if its a blind test, and not at all if it isnt.
best way to put it

[Anonymous No.16943053]

>>16943014
I believe only the "head" judge observes the compulsory service, but the coffee is delivered to the other 3 scoring judges. Full rules are here. I don't actually give a shit, you'd just think reddits favorite coffee brewer would score at least average in one of these.

https://msca.org.my/resources/Documents/2021%20WORLD%20BREWERS%20CUP%20RULES%20AND%20REGULATIONS%2015DEC2020%20(1).pdf

>>16943028
The idiot from ASR everyone listens to has tinnitus to the point he drove around harassing his neighbors for running a generator. I'd say its probably him testing headphones at 100db.

[Anonymous No.16943123]

>>16942839
>Is the WBC apolitical, blind taste tested?
No. Pic related, the sponsors. Notice which company is missing?

[Anonymous No.16943181]

>>16943123
Origami and goat mug. The ones who won 2018 and 2019 respectively. Origami had 2 in the top 6 this year, cafec had one, kalita had 1, hario had 2. Weird that chemex and clever are both sponsors but didn't place. They should complain.

[Anonymous No.16943197]

>>16943123
Wait just a minute. Whats the excuse now?

[Anonymous No.16943223]

Should I get an AeroPress or a Clever Dripper? I currently only have a Moka Pot and heard v60 is too hard to get good at.

[Anonymous No.16943233]

>>16943181
>Equipment Partner
They supplied $100 of aeropresses for the 3 people who wanted to use one. Didn't even make it onto the green pic.
>>16943223
Aeropress. V60 isn't hard though, people just overcomplicate it to make it look cool and win contests sponsored by Hario.

[Anonymous No.16943254]

>>16943233
They're paying yearly not to place. And you're telling me its not the cuck's choice? Why can origami and cafec take half of the finalists without paying a dime?

>contests sponsored by Hario, kalita, chemex, aeropress and techivorm.

[Anonymous No.16943259]

>>16943233
>for the 3 people who wanted to use one
31 entries, no ap :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxVB_e2Kbbk&list=PLzI16LSYAwDZfFOUPPDOQEy4WQYzd3piL

[Anonymous No.16943273]

>>16943254
Caring about a coffee contest for literature degree dropouts is peak cuck desu. I just drink coffee and point out retardation when I see it.
>>16943259
Because there is no chance of winning... You are not too bright. Didn't watch that shit btw.

[Anonymous No.16943309]

>>16943273
>inventing reasons why your plastic tube can't win despite financing the competition
>no chance of winning
So how did origami and gina brewers win?

[Anonymous No.16943326]

>>16943309
It just looks fancier.

[Anonymous No.16943360]

>>16943326
>>inventing reasons why your plastic tube can't win despite financing the competition


>Competitors may utilize as many or as few brewing devices as they wish in order to produce the required three preparations within the allotted time

You could bloom in an aeropress and finish with something fancier. You could bloom in something fancier and drip over an aeropress. Instead year after year alan adler sends a check and a crate of aeropresses that gets left at the venue. After 15 years of r&d, their innovation was tapped out at
>Lets make a travel version of our travel brewer.

[Anonymous No.16943458]

>>16943326
Emi Fukahori, the chick who won 2018 did compulsory round with the aeropress, open with the gina. Took 8th in that scoring. Only problem is the roaster she owns(MAME) is a sponsor of the event so I guess gina and AP are both out.

[Anonymous No.16943464]

>>16943360
>despite financing the competition
Giving out 100 dollars worth of plastic tubes isn't really much of financing the competition tho

[Anonymous No.16943472]

>>16943458
>roaster she owns(MAME) is a sponsor of the event
How in the world is this possible for an owner of a sponsor to compete?

[Anonymous No.16943481]

>>16941984
And it's been overshadowed by meme plastic cups.

[Anonymous No.16943497]

>>16943472
She didn't use her beans. Competed with
>Daterra Laurina (Brazil) 17g : 220 mL @80-95°C, 2:55 extraction (hybrid immersion-pourover method)
I'm not going to check if mame sponsored the 2018 competition, but they certainly do now. Clearly some backroom deals going on to promote the goatmug dripper. I just think its funny how people are upset members of the SCA are sponsoring an SCA event.

[Anonymous No.16943543]

>>16943309
Low IQ cope.
It's a pourover contest, no other method has ever won, so nobody is going to try.
But my main point is you're just a complete retard if you think winning a non-blind, style over substance contest means anything when it comes to the quality of the coffee, especially for someone making coffee at home.

[Anonymous No.16943559]

>>16943543
Emi Fukahori won 2018 with a GINA dripper using something of a hybrid immersion/pour technique, and Aeropress in compulsory round. Scored 74.17.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ja4oencu59sawud/2018%20Brazil%20WBrC%20Final%20Scores.pdf?dl=0

[Anonymous No.16943670]

Timemore fag here again.
May or may not upgrade to the 1zpresso, but I have to reiterate how much of a difference getting a decent grinder made. My success rate is very high now. Also, learn the balance of disrupting the coffee in a pourover; I went too aggressive on one of my cups and it made the coffee sour due to channels of coffee grounds forming.

[Anonymous No.16943691]

>>16943670
>due to channels of coffee grounds forming
tfw he doesn't melodrip. No but seriously. Its taken you 3 days to understand how agitation, particle suspension in the slurry, and uneven flow affect your cup. You're on the right track.

[Anonymous No.16943713]

>>16943691
M-melodrip? Anon, I must know.
>3 days
I had a period before this where I tried a bunch of different techniques and never once made a good cup with my old grinder. Once I got the thing, though, I caught on, but don't give me too much credit.
I also took the grinder apart to get the burrs as perfectly aligned as possible. They were out concentrically by what felt like 0.010." This didn't seem to affect things much in the coffee, though the grinds do look a little more consistent.

[Anonymous No.16943873]

Are v60 bleached filters any different from the natural brown unbleached filters? I thought my cups were shit until I really rinsed the fuck out of this natural filter, talking about at least 300mL of hot water and ended up getting a really good cup. I was aware that you had to rinse the filter, and I was, but it seems that you need a lot more water for the brown unbleached ones.

[Anonymous No.16943884]

>>16943670
How many clicks are you at? I'm around mid-high 20s for a medium-coarse grind when the manual says it should be in the teens/low 20s.

[Anonymous No.16943886]

>>16943713
Little memey handheld shower screen. I feel like by controlling agitation and reducing the particles kicking up I can grind finer and extract longer without any detriment.

[Anonymous No.16943891]

i want you fucking spergers to appreciate the fact that you're all just bickering OVER A FUCKING FUNNEL

[Anonymous No.16943907]

holy fuck the plastic press cult is real lmao
i thought it was a meme

[Anonymous No.16943936]

>>16943907
>plastic press
Wat

[Anonymous No.16943937]

>>16943891
The point of those spergy coffee comps, for home brewers, is to steal ideas and techniques. It seems like the most prevalent aeropress technique is to not touch it and find any random cone. Emi Fukahori was 1.13 pts away from not making the top 6 and eventually winning the finals as her AP score was only in the middle of the pack of finalists.

[Anonymous No.16943956]

>>16943884
17, but I'm grinding medium-fine. I'll be trying medium for my next pourover to see if there's any difference, but I'm making really fucking good coffee now. High 20s sounds right for medium-coarse; are you sure you read the manual properly? Are you counting the clicks from the wrong direction?
>>16943873
The brown ones taste and smell a lot stronger. I switched to bleached. I filter my water so it's too much of a hassle to fill an entire kettle just so I can rinse the filter well.
>>16943886
Good lord, anon, that's a fucking maymay. I might give it a try at some point, though.
>>16943891
It's real out here

I'm gonna make another cup now at 22 clicks. I'm guessing I will have to pour a little more aggressively on my initial pour, but that could backfire without a perfect grind or sifting, right?

[Anonymous No.16944033]

>>16943956
22 was interesting. The bed looked PERFECT after the brew, not a single muddy fine in sight; the draw down took the same time as with my finer grinds, though I did take care to keep the water boiling at all times. The flavor is interesting, though not as good. It's not sour, but it has a lot more fruity notes than it did with the finer grinds. It's missing part of the body in comparison. I think I've learned that I prefer that this particular coffee borders on, but doesn't cross into, silty territory. The chocolatey notes and mouth feel are gone. It's not bland, but it's not my preference. The grind consistency was ridiculously good at this setting, and this is what I'm going to use for french presses from now on. Holy fuck, niggers, get a better grinder if you have a shit one, it literally makes all the difference

Side note: the grinder holds a static charge, which actually helps it hold onto chaff and fines. I wipe them off before pouring the coffee. It seems to hold onto .5 grams for a 14 gram grind.

[Anonymous No.16944034]

>>16943956
I've been using it since march. I like it. Even with a nice fellow pouring kettle, there's way less cloudiness in the brew bed. Its supposed to keep your kettle from shooting fines through your filter, but controlling your agitation comes along with that. Without adjusting my grind, it took a hazelnutty brazilian I couldn't stand and turned it into something palatable. I'd imagine it pairs great with cheaper grinders since my kinu does produce a bit more fines than optimal at pourover coarseness.

[Anonymous No.16944052]

>>16944034
Looks like right around what I just ground, maybe a tad finer. I'll set aside coffee that I have trouble dialing in, and I'll give this a shot if I can find it. For now, I should focus on roasting those beans... I'm very excited. You know "that smell" you get when you grind freshly roasted coffee? That smell literally does not exist after a few days. I love it.

[Anonymous No.16944060]

>>16943937
i want you to go back and re-read what you've written there and then reflect on whether or not those are words that would come out of a normal persons mouth

[Anonymous No.16944066]

Is there a DIY or cheaper alternative to 3rd wave water if I'm using soft city tap water, or is that the one option to actually extract the full strength of coffee?

[Anonymous No.16944092]

>>16944060
Grade 1 washed gedeb worka sakaro isn't going to come out of a normal persons mouth either. I'm still going to sip it though. Get back to aeropressing faggot.
>>16944066
Yep. Baking soda and epsom salts. Buy a $7 aquarium water test kit to find out how you need to adjust.
>>16944052
I think its well worth and not any more work than you're already doing. He'll give you a return label for free if you're not happy and will replace it if you ever break it somehow. Seemed like a no brainor to try it out.

[Anonymous No.16944097]

>>16944066
Forgot the link.
https://www.baristahustle.com/blog/diy-water-recipes-redux/

[Anonymous No.16944103]

>>16944097
Thank you very much, I couldn't get anything useful to turn up searching by keywords.

[Anonymous No.16944165]

>>16944097
>diy-water

[Anonymous No.16944180]

>>16943956
>are you sure you read the manual properly? Are you counting the clicks from the wrong direction?
I guess the perspective of online images don't help. They certainly look the shape in pictures, but it's smaller than I thought it would be.

[Anonymous No.16944183]

>>16944165
I bought a fish kit a year ago and haven't bothered opening it.

[Anonymous No.16944300]

>>16944165
Well it's either delve into blending my own boutique water, or figure out why following the printed instructions isn't enough to even get normal-strength coffee out of a French press.

[Anonymous No.16944313]

>>16944092
Interesting. It's worth a try for sure, so I may order one. Seems a little autistic, which is a good thing, but it also seems like a potential hipster scam like the bripe.

[Anonymous No.16944362]

>>16943559
>filling the press halfway with grounds
do competitioncucks really?

[Anonymous No.16944576]

>>16944362
Competition cucks are brewing 2:1 and diluting with 2x+ the water.

[Anonymous No.16944604]

>>16944180
...huh?

[Anonymous No.16944634]

LOL.

[Anonymous No.16944753]

>>16936498
Fuck you dude

[Anonymous No.16944759]

>>16936259
Moka pot? Do you like very strong coffee? I’m genuinely just curious because I used one once and it was -powerful-

[Anonymous No.16944775]

>>16936498
>What's a good coffee maker?
Right here baby

[Anonymous No.16944824]

>>16936498
>and it isn't anything a machine couldn't do.

This, never be the substitute for technology. I used table legs to hold up tables. I use pumps to drop water on coffee.

[Anonymous No.16945008]

What's a good entry level thing to get at a coffee shop?
A latte?

[Anonymous No.16945026]

>>16945008
yeah. If it's good you probably won't even care to sweeten it

Kind of weird how often these threads have "hey anons Ive never had coffee ever" type questions. Welcome to this horrible hobby

[Anonymous No.16945032]

>>16945026
I drink coffee all the time, but just black coffee I make at home
I never really had any fancy coffee drinks, except some of those bottles of Starbucks frappuccino.

[Anonymous No.16945040]

>>16945032
I'm not into coffee particularly anymore, but when I was it was more fun to do it at home and just try different brands each time. There's lots of variety, moreso than what you will get at a single coffee shop. It's cheaper. You can sort of experiment to your tastes and such, be very subtle.
Cafes are a little more of a social thing in my mind. Not that that's bad or anything.

[Anonymous No.16945047]

>>16945040
Well I have a giftcard for an independent coffee shop nearby that I haven't used yet.
I don't want to just get regular black coffee... I feel like I should expand my horizons

[Anonymous No.16945118]

>>16945008
get a cortado

[Anonymous No.16945122]

>>16945118
Fuck cortados are so based.

[Anonymous No.16945141]

>>16945032
if you drink black coffee you can order anything, get something stronger like >>16945118

[Anonymous No.16945151]

>>16945118
>>16945141
Ok, do I need to say anything to order this?
Do they come in multiple sizes and stuff? I'll want a big one...
Can I get them to go?
Honestly... if I don't know what to say ahead of time, I'll probably sperg out

[Anonymous No.16945222]

>>16945151
>Honestly... if I don't know what to say ahead of time, I'll probably sperg out
Go in, order the first thing that catches your eye. Cross it off the list, and repeat per visit. Start with a black coffee if that's where your comfort zone is.

[Anonymous No.16946029]

Coof

[Anonymous No.16946044]

>>16945151
cortado is a small drink actually

The way espresso drinks work is smaller is stronger and larger is more milk

[Anonymous No.16946397]

>>16945118
Tagliato*

>>16945008
Lattes are to test the shop’s quality and service time, the espresso is to test their coffee making habilities

[Anonymous No.16946414]

>>16946397
>why yes, I do test my local coffee shops. Most of the time they're not up to my rigorous standards. How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.16946526]

>>16946397
Ok, thanks
I was going to go in and order one, but there were a bunch of people inside so I decided not to

[Anonymous No.16946549]

>>16946414
What's with the bloodshot eyes? Coffee drinkers are high T btw

[Anonymous No.16946684]

>>16946549
Obviously he's been up crying that they aren't following competition aeropress recipes.

[Anonymous No.16946730]

>>16935832
Today I had my coffee with some brown sugar, coconut gel cubes and some of the syrup the cubes came in.

[Anonymous No.16946793]

>>16944576
I just made this recipe. A bit different, tasted weird until it cooled down, but still kind of good.

[Anonymous No.16946892]

>>16946793
You need to incorporate the
>Turbulent wiggle
from the second place recipe.

[Anonymous No.16946901]

>>16946414
I just don’t like drinking shit coffee after waiting 15 min for a macchiato, but you go ahead and enjoy

>>16946526
Yeah don’t worry, you may ask a couple questions to know if they actually care like
>”what kind of roast/beans can I pick from”
If their answer is “dark roast” or “we only have a single bean” they either have their recipe nailed down or they just do it with whatever they have around

[Anonymous No.16946939]

>>16946901
>EXCUSE ME I've been waiting for 15 MINUTES FOR MY FUCKING SOY MACCHIATO.
inb4 thats not a macc. Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.16946948]

>>16946939
>30 second extraction
>40 second frothing
>14 minutes of fucking around
“Here’s your cold milk with a dash of coffee”

[Anonymous No.16946997]

Why do you guys keep your feet on Aeropiss cucks' necks? If drinking carcinogen laced coffee from a plastic tube makes them happy, let them be.

[Anonymous No.16947035]

>>16946997
They don't let you throw shit at zoo animals anymore.
>>16946948
God why don't these minimum wage employees give a shit about service?

[Anonymous No.16947045]

>>16946997
>>16947035
This level of obsession can't be healthy.

[Anonymous No.16947067]

>>16947045
Baseball players make fun of guys who play softball. Tennis players make fun of guys who play pickleball. Coffee drinkers make fun of aeropressers. If you're at all sensitive to it, it may be the estrogen leach. Its like you've never heard of a running gag. Two threads ago we were all shitting on the coldbrew moron.

[Anonymous No.16947089]

>>16947067
I see, you do it because you are insecure and want to fit in somewhere, and sadly that happens to be 4chan. Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.16947109]

>>16947089
You're projecting buddy. Just admit you'd be alot more comfortable here without all the aeropress meming.

>7. Using the elbow to press the AeroPress into the server for 30 sec.
>8.Enjoy

[Anonymous No.16947128]

>>16947045
My sentiment was an honest one. If filter coffee is superior (it is), none of the shart tube drivel should matter. I think you should be able to drink the "coffee" you enjoy, even if its aeropiss.

[Anonymous No.16947134]

>>16947128
filtered pour over* I forgot how important semantics are to you retards

[Anonymous No.16947175]

>>16947128
Hario switch does a better job at immersion and is glass for ~$10 more. The only use case I could see for the AP would be like otr long haul truckers, college kids, or people with physical/mental disabilities. Not even exclusively referring to tards, but its easy to see how dumping water in a tube would be easier than pouring steady concentric circles for someone with ms or parkinsons.

[Anonymous No.16947180]

>>16947175
>its easy to see how dumping water in a tube would be easier than pouring steady concentric circles for someone with ms or parkinsons.
based empathetic solution finder

[Anonymous No.16947892]

Coof

[Anonymous No.16947965]

So I've never ordered fresh coffee online before, where do I go and what should I buy? I'm getting my first espresso machine so I want something that will be easy to test it out with.

[Anonymous No.16948017]

>>16947965
>I've never ordered fresh coffee
>I'm getting my first espresso machine

[Anonymous No.16948026]

>>16947965
>so I want something that will be easy
ohnono. Please elaborate on your setup.

[Anonymous No.16948079]

>>16947965
have you ever tuned in a coffee grinder before? you can't just grind up coffee and expect the coffee to be good on an espresso machine, you have to set some variables for it to be perfect.

[Anonymous No.16948110]

>>16948026
>>16948079
Yeah so I don't know what I even want. Do I want something forgiving with the grind size, or something that will readily reveal flaws if its barely off? Are there even such things? I just have fuck all tasting experience btw.

Anyway it's going to be a stock gaggia classic at first, and I'm trying to find a breville smart grinder. That's all I can afford. I'll be doing the OPV spring mod down to 9 bar at least.

[Anonymous No.16948123]

>>16948110
>breville smart grinder
Oh so you're just shitposting, got it

[Anonymous No.16948126]

>>16948110
https://espressoaf.com/recommendations/entry-grinders.html

>Not Recommended
>Baratza Virtuoso/Encore
>Baratza Sette 30
>Delonghi Dedica
>Rancilio Rocky
>Breville Sage Smart Grinder Pro
>Gaggia MDF

[Anonymous No.16948139]

>>16948110
https://www.1st-line.com/buy/lelit-pl043mmi-fred-espresso-coffee-grinder/

I work in the prosumer coffee machine sector who specialize in commercial grade espresso machines for home use, one grinder I personally own is the Lelit PL043MMI Grinder, it's a stepless grinder with conical burrs so you basically have a universal range of how fine or course you want the coffee to be. Highly recommend for your first grinder.

[Anonymous No.16948143]

>>16947965
>so I've never flown a plane before, where should I take flying lessons? I'm getting an F-104 starfighter so I want a good flight instructor

[Anonymous No.16948156]

>>16948143
Even if you pretend being a barista is hard, it's a dead end job and you'd be better off in a hole in the ground

[Anonymous No.16948160]

>>16948126
Sure but there's no testing or reasoning provided, you might as well said it was shit like >>16948123 and it would've had as much credibility.

[Anonymous No.16948164]

>>16948160
So you admit that you're the same faggot shitposter who went on for hours defending that piece of shit grinder a few threads ago? Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.16948170]

>>16948156
If your validity is threatened by the idea that baristas might be good at something, you need to fix your life.

The point, though, was that you're in way over your head if you've never even bought freshly roasted coffee before and you're starting off with a (almost certainly shitty) home espresso machine and a mystery grinder.

p.s. I'm a software engineer if you want something to seethe over, I pay more in taxes than you earn in a year, but I am pretty sure I respect baristas more than I respect whatever it is you do

[Anonymous No.16948172]

>>16948164
It could be a shit grinder, but your superstition doesn't make it so

[Anonymous No.16948180]

>>16948160
Each and every one of those grinders has been extensively tested on their discord. The reason its not documented is the same reason I haven't written a pastebin for these despite saying I've been working on it for years. You're not worth the effort.
>you might as well said it was shit
I did say that. The last time you asked about the sgp. I gave you a particle distribution graph and you responded with
>By lowering my standards it can become good

[Anonymous No.16948186]

>>16948172
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.16948200]

>>16948170
It's you thats threatened by a normal person controlling a few variables with a few hours of internet advice. Running a service is hard, making coffee at home isn't.

Of course my first attempts will turn out terrible and I will waste some coffee, if you're afraid of that you're probably afraid of girls. Also if you haven't heard of a gaggia you're probably not worth replying to but this board is a little lonely.

Also if you're going to sprinkle cringe on your post with a claimed job title at least make it relevant

[Anonymous No.16948209]

>>16948200
>my first attempts will turn out terrible
All of your attempts will be terrible if you're using a terrible grinder and an at best mediocre poorfag-tier espresso machine

[Anonymous No.16948212]

>>16948180
>Each and every one of those grinders has been extensively tested on their discord.

I'll look for the results, if they aren't there, you lied. But I think you knew that.

>I did say that. The last time you asked about the sgp. I gave you a particle distribution graph and you responded with

The graph was for 4 grinders in a similar price bracket and the sgp did the best. If you had the same data for more expensive grinders then a value judgment could be made, but you don't. Instead all you've ever been able to provide is an imaginary line.

[Anonymous No.16948214]

>>16948110
the Gaggia is fine, don't get the breville fucking kek

[Anonymous No.16948224]

>>16948214
He has had his heart set on the meme smartgrinder for weeks now. No matter how shit it is, he is going to convince himself that it's amazing through the power of confirmation bias and he's never going to stop shitposting about it.

[Anonymous No.16948237]

>>16948214
>>16948224
Pretty sure he's looking for a used one on ebay too kek. Its a $200 grinder brand new. Imagine going for that over a phoenix or jxpro. I can't wait for him to buy it.

[Anonymous No.16948247]

>>16948237
Dude you don't get it you're just superstitious cargo cultists my dirt cheap meme "smart" "burr" grinder is just as good as a real grinder you don't even have any heckin peer reviewed fact checked studies to support your superstitions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.16948256]

>>16948200
Making terrible coffee at home is easy. I have no doubt you'll excel at it. Enjoy ruining all those perfectly good beans.

[Anonymous No.16948264]

>>16948247
https://coffeeadastra.com/2019/05/27/seasoning-grinder-burrs-and-grind-quality-2/

This guy is pretty smart. Get everyone's dick's hard with
>Gathering these data takes a tremendous amount of work, but I’m gradually building up a library of quality factors for different grinders that I managed to get my hands on. My Patreon followers can already access that partial list
and charge em.

[Anonymous No.16948265]

>>16948212
Just buy stale grocery store beans if you're going to be running them through a motorized smart mortar and pestle kek. Wasting good beans on a setup like that is a crime.

[Anonymous No.16948269]

I currently drink instant coffee with hazelnut creamer. What should I drink instead?

[Anonymous No.16948271]

>>16948269
.30-06

[Anonymous No.16948277]

>>16948269
I've got some brazilian maragogipe that's straight hazelnut. Look into medium altitude south americans. Whole lotta nuts and chocolate.

[Anonymous No.16948281]

>>16948271
I can't drink solids, retard.

[Anonymous No.16948288]

what the fuck is the "regular" setting supposed to be?

[Anonymous No.16948296]

>>16948277
Link? Did you order that or was it in stock?

[Anonymous No.16948319]

Holy fuck, this might be the most autistic thread on the entire website. Literally just grind that shit, put in your frenchpress with hot water, press, milk, sugar, drink.

[Anonymous No.16948323]

>>16948264
So his photogrammetry app has been open source since 2019. Anyone can photograph their grind and use it

https://coffeeadastra.com/2019/04/07/an-app-to-measure-your-coffee-grind-size-distribution-2/

I think there should be community data on every popular grinder several times over, but I'm also not surprised if the internet, in fact, sucks

[Anonymous No.16948325]

>>16943123
Redpill me on big coffee.

[Anonymous No.16948329]

>>16948319
nooooo you have to buy my darlings as a minimum because you just do ok?

[Anonymous No.16948343]

>>16948319
>just grind that shit
There's the first problem. Grind quality makes a fucking MASSIVE difference.
>milk, sugar, drink
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.16948363]

>>16948319
>drink

[Anonymous No.16948411]

>>16948296
I've had the greens sitting around for a while. I'll probably roast and offload them for christmas. Absolutely massive beans compared to everything else I have laying here. Heres a little tiny ethiopian next to the brazilian elephant.
>>16948288
A shitty rendition of siphon?
>>16948323
It stings to statistically prove you wasted money on a smart grind pro or encore. I think I just saw that moron join the eaf discord too.

[Anonymous No.16948448]

>>16948411
>It stings to statistically prove you wasted money on a smart grind pro or encore.
still waiting

>I think I just saw that moron join the eaf discord too.
Which gender has the best grind?

[Anonymous No.16948451]

what are some temp control gooseneck kettles i don't have to pay a kidney for? i don't feel like wading through a bunch of sketchy amazon listings

[Anonymous No.16948470]

>>16948451
I don't know that they exist, honestly. I'm pretty happy with the pour control I get from my regular electric kettle, but I'm not sure whether a more laminar stream from a gooseneck would make much of a difference.

[Anonymous No.16948529]

>>16948448
34% of your grinds finer than your set window is absolute dogshit. Grinders like those 4 are "recommended" by mommyblogs and the like because they're pushing affiliate links. If you can't understand how an extremely wide and skewed distribution is going to affect your brews, you're beyond help.

Buy that hamilton beach they rec. 4.7 stars with 37k reviews. You can't go wrong.

https://www.foodandwine.com/lifestyle/kitchen/best-coffee-grinders

[Anonymous No.16948562]

>>16948529
If I'm going to keep playing with you, you have to keep it fresh. Show some data for grinders you like in the same price bracket, or else you have nothing to compare 34% against other than feelings. You could also show data for more expensive grinders, then a conversation about value can take place. Until then it's just still your shitposting

[Anonymous No.16948608]

>>16948562
Fuck off, shill.

[Anonymous No.16948609]

>If I'm going to keep playing with you
Massive faggot. You're not even getting a (you) for this
>Show some data for grinders you like in the same price bracket
I'm not sifting any more coffee than I have to, and certainly not cleaning my burrs and sieves for you. I already told you last thread using a kruve sifter at 200um and 600um, 20g of beans in a kinu phoenix nets me about 1g in fines and 1g in boulders letting me normalize at ~18g dose in a pullman 17/19. I'd imagine the jx pro is very similar in this regard. Waste your money however you want, you're clearly not interested in changing your opinion.

[Anonymous No.16948622]

>>16948609
will you clean your burrs and sieves for me if i suck your dick, anon?

[Anonymous No.16948627]

>>16948529
knew the Breville was bad but I didn't think it was this bad kek. breville dude reading this: why are you so set on this one shitty grinder? do you have a coupon or something and have to convince yourself it's good? I genuinely do not understand

[Anonymous No.16948635]

>>16948609
Have you tried putting those sieves in your headphones?

And no, I will not change my mind that guessing is not knowledge. I feel bad for leading you on

[Anonymous No.16948646]

>arguing with a literal retard
just let him have his dogshit coffee. same with aeropiss cucks, they don't want to be saved so don't waste your time lmfao. it's common knowledge how garbage normie grinders are, let him make his own mistake and learn from it years from now (assuming he doesn't give up on espresso entirely kek)

[Anonymous No.16948667]

>>16948627
I have a budget, what's left over after the graggia isn't enough to buy a more expensive electric grinder. Can't raise my budget, definately not downgrading the espresso machine, I'm buying used so I can always sell to get the money back if I want to upgrade the grinder at another time. I can definately entertain manual grinders, but that is a lot of grinding, and making espresso for guests probably isn't fun. If the quality were so much better that I would spend less time adjusting grind trying to improve the results of a bad electric grinder, then a manual grinder would also make sense that way. But nobody can offer anything better here than word of mouth and conventional wisdom instead of objective measurements, so I'm having a hard time judging which way to go. Also throwing the idea of the sgp in the trash wouldn't solve my problem, I'd still have to pick among numerous manual grinders under $200 with no data.

[Anonymous No.16948689]

>>16948667
hate to be the one to have to drop some conventional wisdom but your grinder is so much more important than your espresso machine. you should be budgeting for a grinder first, and then squeezing for a used gaggia classic. all the empirical evidence in the world can't help you if you're this stubborn.

[Anonymous No.16948696]

new to cofey
what recs
wher buy

[Anonymous No.16948700]

>>16948627
Also I've never claimed the sgp is good, though it is probably the best electric grinder at its price point, excluding rare grinders

[Anonymous No.16948710]

>>16948700
>it's not good it's just the best one at it's price point
have you heard of the jxpro?

[Anonymous No.16948716]

>I'd still have to pick among numerous manual grinders under $200 with no data.
You ignore the data regardless so whats the fucking difference. Taste is subjective, even extraction is not. You're not going to cook a 1in cube of steak and a 2in cube of steak to the same temp in the same time in the same pan. You're not going to get an even extraction if ~1/3 of your are finer than the rest of your basket.
>I have a budget
Cool. Stick that money in an envelope. Come back in 3 months when you've got more cash to blow. Spend the rest of the time reading.
>>16948646
You can lead a moron to water, but you can't make him drink.

[Anonymous No.16948720]

>>16948689
In the abstract, you're probably right. But in real world the items we have to choose between items as they exist. Getting something cheaper than a graggia is a big drop in quality, and you have to pay a lot more money to beat its quality. It can also be hotrodded with cheap mods that vastly increase it's value. It's not a normal circumstance.

[Anonymous No.16948738]

>>16948720
You have zero basis for this thinking other than
>than word of mouth and conventional wisdom

[Anonymous No.16948747]

>>16948716
And i'll get an even extraction from grinders you've never seen no data for? Maybe, but you don't know, so stop posting.

[Anonymous No.16948760]

>>16948738
brewing variables are well understood, what variables you can get with a graggia and how much you pay for it are facts, sorry

[Anonymous No.16948775]

>>16948747
Yes, since those discord retards go and hang out with each other and test grinders side by side. Tell me why you're so obsessed with the gaggia, despite it having shit brew temp, shit brew pressure, and a weak steam wand unless you immediately void your warranty. Is it just all your can afford, or is some youtuber word of mouthing in your ear without robust datalogging?

[Anonymous No.16948794]

>>16948760
>brewing variables are well understood
Not by you apparently. An opv mod isn't going to stabilize your temp retard. If you're dead set on a gaggia, why the fuck would you pay for a warranty you're immediately planning on voiding? Buy a second hand one, put the difference into blind buying a better grinder.

[Anonymous No.16948798]

>>16948775
Evidently he must want an entire home espresso setup with something like a $600 budget, which simply is not feasible without making sacrifices so great that the entire effort is going to be wasted.

[Anonymous No.16948810]

>>16948646
I don't really care how he wastes his money, I just don't want someone less informed coming in here and being memed into buying some garbage due to seeing his posts. Because then when people get memed into buying garbage they go around badmouthing coffee autism as a whole to everyone they know irl and to other people on the site.

[Anonymous No.16948818]

>>16948775
>Yes, since those discord retards go and hang out with each other and test grinders side by side.

That's not knowledge for you and I unless they share measurements. Also what do you think "testing grinders side by side" means? Are you talking about frotting? A taste test isn't ideal, and I don't trust someone with golden eyes to tell me they can see grind consistency. I'd really like someone to use that app that guy made, all you do is take a photo of the grounds on a piece of paper with a coin. I don't see the need to trust a community that hasn't done something so easy.

I'm buying a used gaggia, there is no warranty. You can fix those problems cheaper than you can buy a better machine.

[Anonymous No.16948822]

>>16948794
that's what the PID is for, you can also wrap the boiler with a copper supply line to prevent the temperature from dropping

I am buying used.

[Anonymous No.16948829]

>>16948822
How about you stop being poor and buy an actual machine and an actual grinder instead of trying to nigger-rig the absolute bare minimum shitty equipment?

[Anonymous No.16948837]

>>16948829
"stop being poor" is good advice, much better than imagining data on what more money can buy

[Anonymous No.16948842]

>>16948822
>That's all I can afford. I'll be doing the OPV spring mod down to 9 bar at least.
You've not once mentioned a pid. Its actually pretty funny because I did all the digging for someone else's gaggia mods a few threads ago. You cannot afford the mods you'd like to do, regardless of the shit grinder you buy.

https://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=232

[Anonymous No.16948843]

>>16939348
I want one of these in my house.

[Anonymous No.16948854]

>>16948837
Why do you have such an autistic obsession with seeing data? Why do you think it makes sense to buy something that you know for a fact is garbage, with data backing it up, rather than risking trusting a coffee expert who has far more experience than you?

[Anonymous No.16948867]

>>16948854
>That seems arbitrary and you could get way different graphs depending on how high or low the tolerance you picked was.
He's already looking at ways to skew what I show him to suit his narrative. He doesn't want data, he wants a smart grinder pro and a gaggia.

[Anonymous No.16948894]

>>16948842
I said at least, not my fault you can't read. Also I may just be happy with the espresso so I won't buy another mod. Also, you seem to advocate that money on a grinder would be better than money on a PID anyway. I don't know why you have the idea in your head I need to buy the PID to justify the machine. And machines at the same price and cheaper definately don't have one.

It's also cheaper here fyi https://www.shadesofcoffee.co.uk/post-2018---gaggia-classic-pro-gaggia-classic-2019/gaggia-classic-pro2019-pid-kit---132din-single-display

>>16948854
Experience in the abstract is not knowledge about a specific claim. And a line of assumptions definately aren't.

[Anonymous No.16948896]

>>16948894
Why do you keep referring to things "in the abstract" as if that has an actual meaning and isn't just a really unusual form of cope on your part?

[Anonymous No.16948903]

>>16948867
>what numbers do a "coarse" and "fine" grind mean on this graph?
>stop trying to skew the data to suit narratives!

[Anonymous No.16948909]

>>16948896
because you abstract topics like a child, in better company I never say that

[Anonymous No.16948916]

>>16948909
Why are you even here? Do you have a humiliation kink or something?

[Anonymous No.16948919]

>>16948909
>because you abstract topics like a child
Intelligent people speak in proxy, abstract, and metaphor. Midwits, such as yourself, speak in absolutes and what you *think* is data/truth.

[Anonymous No.16948920]

>>16948854
>Why do you have such an autistic obsession with seeing data? Why do you think it makes sense to buy something that you know for a fact is garbage, with data backing it up, rather than risking trusting a coffee expert who has far more experience than you?

[Anonymous No.16948927]

>>16948920
Again, why are you here? You have already decided what you're going to buy. So why are you broadcasting your stupid decisions on the internet for everyone to laugh at you? What do you gain from that?

[Anonymous No.16948929]

>>16948919
>Intelligent people speak in proxy, abstract, and metaphor

Like " this discord says"?

[Anonymous No.16948931]

>>16948903
Exactly how I know you never read the second link.

>So, somewhat arbitrarily, we decided to adopt a 400-micron window as the basis for our evaluations. With Horiba’s help, for each sample we zeroed in on the mode particle size, meaning the particle size that occurs most prevalently within a given sample. We then set boundaries 200 microns larger and 200 microns finer, creating a 400-micron range with the mode size at its center. We then calculated what percentage of each sample landed within that range, and used that key metric to compare grind consistency among samples and grinders.

>It's also cheaper here fyi
He's even cheaping out on the mods kek.

[Anonymous No.16948935]

>>16948927
I have not, I'm seeing if anyone here will back their claims with data. I can buy any grinder under $200, though the grind performance of a hand grinder needs to outweigh the convenience of electric grinding for me

[Anonymous No.16948936]

>>16948903
don't these people use this chart that just says the number

[Anonymous No.16948941]

>>16948929
I'm not getting involved in your previous conversation, but I'm calling you out for being an s-type midwit.

[Anonymous No.16948944]

>>16948931
Yes I went to the link yesterday, I was not asking the question twice. I was pointing out that asking an important question isn't dishonesty unless you're well, you.

[Anonymous No.16948946]

>>16948936
https://www.kruveinc.com/pages/brew-guide
i'm smartn't

[Anonymous No.16948951]

>>16948941
Then it should be easy to show me where I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.16948953]

>>16948941
>s-type midwit.
How could you tell?
>Yeah so I don't know what I even want. Do I want something forgiving with the grind size, or something that will readily reveal flaws if its barely off? Are there even such things? I just have fuck all tasting experience btw. Anyway it's going to be a stock gaggia classic at first, and I'm trying to find a breville smart grinder. That's all I can afford.

Here's what he was originally looking for.

>Most common use would be v60 pourover but if it was possible to catch something that could potentially make a halfway decent espresso in the future that would be a bonus.
Since last sunday he's arbitrarily set a budget and decided he's going to start pulling espresso shots for all his guests.

[Anonymous No.16948960]

>>16948951
>then
Surely you know this is invalid given the literal first clause of my last comment
>>16948953
>How could you tell?
Oh, you know... intuition...
>Since last sunday he's arbitrarily set a budget and decided he's going to start pulling espresso shots for all his guests.
I'm demoting the man to 109.999 IQ. Teehee

[Anonymous No.16948961]

>>16948953
>Most common use would be v60 pourover but if it was possible to catch something that could potentially make a halfway decent espresso in the future that would be a bonus.

That's not me. That was another anon asking about the breville. Some guy replied and I tested his knowledge, he had none. Some say he browses this thead to this very day, repeating things he has heard.

[Anonymous No.16948962]

>>16948935
What "data" do you even want?

[Anonymous No.16948965]

>>16948962
grind distribution data that can be compared to the data we have on the breville

[Anonymous No.16948968]

>>16948961
Yep, its just some other guy with your exact lack of experience, budget, and arbitrary preferences. I don't think I've EVER seen another mention of the SGP in these threads, but op might have looked at a few more posts than me.

[Anonymous No.16948969]

>>16948965
Dude, fucking using a mortar and pestle would produce less non-ideal grinds than the breville.

[Anonymous No.16948972]

>>16948965
So you have data showing you that your favorite grinder is shit, but you need more data showing that other grinders are better?

[Anonymous No.16948975]

>>16948972
I think we're arguing with an actual retard here, anon.

[Anonymous No.16948977]

Okay lots to get off my chest:

I use honey to sweeten my morning coffee and afternoon tea. Approximately 5 weeks ago I ran out of honey at work and had forgotten to purchase some from my local farmer's market.

I sometimes frequent a more upscale coffee shop in the morning before work. They have excellent coffee and two stations where you can add various sweeteners or organic dairy/soy products to your coffee. Their honey is good and in a nice vessel for pouring. For the past three weeks I have been asking for an additional cup of ice with my coffee under the pretense of cooling it down or making my own ice coffee. I pour out the ice at the station and fill it with enough honey to last the week.

Yesterday I purchased a coffee and asked for my usually ice cup . The coffee peon had the audacity to deny me my ice cup and actually told me that a customer had complained about my innocuous habit and that the manager would ban me from the store if I kept, "stealing honey".

I asked her how I was stealing something that was left out for the paying customer, and that I had every right to consume as much honey as I wanted to with my beverage. She said she was, "just the messenger" and to talk with the manager next Tuesday, when he would be back from holiday.

I am currently preparing a case and complaint against said manager and would like your advice on the matter. I was flabbergasted and vexed by this social interaction and it set me off for the rest of the day and possibly my weekend. I wonder if I could use this as part of my argument or to demand some sort of compensation (eg: free coffee for two weeks)?

[Anonymous No.16948980]

>>16948972
He does not own a grinder. He is meming while he waits for christmas money. He has randomly decided on the SGP because he thinks he can find one for $100 on ebay.

[Anonymous No.16948986]

>>16948977
This is midwit tier bait.

[Anonymous No.16948993]

>>16948969
whisper more sweet nothings in my ear

>>16948972
Yes I need data on other grinders, and for me "better" is never assumed.

[Anonymous No.16948995]

>>16948993
Why do you not trust the experts? Why are you a literal domestic terrorist?

[Anonymous No.16948997]

>>16948980
Actually possible on facebook marketplace btw

[Anonymous No.16949003]

>>16948993
Yeah, this guy has a humiliation fetish.

[Anonymous No.16949007]

>>16948995
unless you've seen data, or you've owned the grinders you make claims about and the difference is so large evidence of the senses is enough, you're not an expert on those grinders and qualified to make claims about them. And if there's data it can just be provided. Trust isn't necessary, costly even.

[Anonymous No.16949009]

>>16948997
You could also buy chipped vintage mason jars on fb marketplace. But why the fuck would you?

[Anonymous No.16949016]

>>16949003
says the guy trying to bring "grinderphile" into the english lexicon

[Anonymous No.16949017]

>>16949007
>you've owned the grinders you make claims about
What the fuck are you talking about, schizo? Nobody has made any claims about specific grinders here. Go grind your meds in your Breville Smart Grinder™ and snort them.

[Anonymous No.16949023]

>>16949007
>Trust isn't necessary, costly even
Buddy, if your intuition can't tell you that an 85% grind INconsistency is abysmal, you're beyond saving. If you like data so much, why don't you go watch some videos that compare extraction rates between grinders? Would a side-by-side of grounds be good enough visual evidence for you, or do you actually, unironically, and seriously need someone to analyze it for you? This is N O T very complicated.

[Anonymous No.16949028]

>>16949016
You've got me pegged... wrongly. Wow, your kind would have died in the wild without help from people with intuition.

[Anonymous No.16949029]

>>16949017
I've got a kinu, a full set of kruves, and hundreds of shots pulled with a sep. Its not enough. I need to render it graphically for him to decide my methodology is arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.16949066]

Its about 50/50 this is the same guy as
>Theres no reason a top quality grinder should run more than $20.

[Anonymous No.16949074]

>>16949023
When grinding in a fine setting, the sgp was over 50% in the optimal category of the chart. I would use it as an espresso grinder if I bought one.

I'll take a look at that. But I have to ask how that works. The grounds that are too fine would try to make the extraction time slower, and the grounds that are too coarse would try to make the extraction time faster. But they push/pull against each other, so how does that tell me how consistent the grind is? And when comparing two grinds from two grinders, how do they know they are the same average size? If you knew that, seems like you'd have an analysis and the analysis would tell you the consistency in the first place.

Also yes, if the photos were obvious enough that I could trust my judgement. This was one of the first things I searched for but I didn't find anyone willing to show it.

[Anonymous No.16949076]

>>16949028
intuition is great for a hypothesis, facts, not so much

[Anonymous No.16949081]

>>16949029
You have $200+ headphone cable, we know

[Anonymous No.16949088]

This nigga needs someone to come in and analyze the thread just to re-type everything that's been said to him and format it like an empirical research paper.

[Anonymous No.16949095]

>>16949074
Just go buy your smart meme grinder and fuck off. You asked for advice and received much more than you deserved. It's none of our faults if you choose not to accept it and would rather buy garbage.

[Anonymous No.16949097]

>>16949088
You can start with emperical evidence

[Anonymous No.16949102]

>>16949081
Just squished some fresh wax. What should I listen to tonight?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVtIPeYIeQ

[Anonymous No.16949104]

>>16949095
Were you the anon I just replied to? I answered the questions, yet all I get is anger that I'm willing to accept evidence and not "advice".

[Anonymous No.16949112]

>>16949104
And clearly nobody here is willing to go out of their way to spoonfeed you the arbitrary data that you want, so you're just wasting your time. Go buy your shit grinder and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.16949124]

>>16949112
That's fine, as almost the entire population of earth is not spoonfeeding me data this very moment, all that I ask is that claims are justified.

[Anonymous No.16949128]

>>16939348
I went to 7-eleven for the first time in awhile because of this post. The coffee machines had been switched over to touchscreen doohickeys with the bean grinder on top, but they only served coffee. The cream/milk dispenser was a separate machine. The latte/mocha machine was one of the old pushbutton ones without any screens on it, just "Press Button For (insert drink type here)"
I just got a plain dark roast because I mean it's gas station coffee. Very middle of the road.

Oh, the roller grills with the hotdogs and shit are now self-service here. That was neat. Really helps with my social anxiety. Now I just have the anxiety of accidentally burning myself on the grill snagging a taquito.

[Anonymous No.16949130]

>>16949124
Nobody made any claims. I recommend you buy the Breville Smart Grinder since 50% of its grind is within the optimal category or whatever. Now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.16949152]

>>16949130
compared to what? whether you endorse or condemn the breville doesn't matter, what you qualify as a "good" grind consistency doesn't matter, I want to know its performance against other grinders under the same price ceiling.

[Anonymous No.16949157]

>>16949130
I recommend the kitchenaid blade grinder, as it is one of the most highly rated grinders on amazon. You can't go wrong with 4.7 stars and 30k+ sales.

[Anonymous No.16949162]

>>16949152
Just buy the BSG. It's the best grinder in the world since there is no evidence proving otherwise. Now buy it and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.16949163]

>>16949162
I dunno man. Hario skerton pros produce about the same amount of +200um particles due to the burr wobble. Might be worth looking at.

[Anonymous No.16949167]

>>16949163
Do you have a single peer-reviewed source to back that claim up?

[Anonymous No.16949177]

>>16949162
If you've been strawmanning me in your mind this whole time that's your problem. I've never made a value judgement on the breville, it may very well be a bad grinder that's not good enough for my needs. But if you make claims like "its consistency was this number and that number is shit", I'm going to expect you to have that number for a competing grinder to compare it to and put it in context. No one could do that for either expensive or inexpensive grinders. All other reasoning was always the brand, or who it's marketed towards, or it has good amazon reviews.

It's simple. If you don't know, don't opine.

[Anonymous No.16949191]

>>16949177
I didn't make any claims to you. Nobody in this thread is making any claims to you about the consistency of the grind according to the arbitrary standard that you set. Buy the grinder and get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.16949192]

>>16949177
>I've never made a value judgement on the breville

>it is probably the best electric grinder at its price point

Now you're gaslighting us? Get fucked.

[Anonymous No.16949197]

I can't even tell what you guys are arguing about anymore.

[Anonymous No.16949208]

>>16949191
That was the generic you btw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you

>>16949192
"best electric grinder at its price point" doesn't say it's a good or bad grinder or make a claim about its worth. I thought you'd realize that because the line here is that sub $200 electric grinders are hot garbage.

[Anonymous No.16949212]

>>16949208
>It's simple. If you don't know, don't opine.

[Anonymous No.16949216]

where should i buy some good bean
what sites sell good bean

[Anonymous No.16949220]

>>16949197
epistomology, but I'm the only one who knows it

[Anonymous No.16949225]

>>16949220
>Peer reviewed sources needed.

[Anonymous No.16949226]

>>16949216
I think we used to have a pastebin or a copypasta guide. Where you at?

[Anonymous No.16949231]

>>16949212
Ok, I'll retract my claim that it's the best electric grinder at its price point, I don't know. But I'm also not married to a mistake

[Anonymous No.16949238]

>>16949231
Buy the grinder and go away.

[Anonymous No.16949240]

>>16949225
>hey what if we measured grind consistency with free open source software that requires a piece of paper and a quarter instead of just repeating what we hear
>oh so it has to be published in nature for you to believe it huh

[Anonymous No.16949242]

>>16949231
Yes you are. We're going to make fun of you unless you buy the SGP. If you want some data, make it. You can afford any grinder under $200, so order it now. Post the invoice.

[Anonymous No.16949244]

>>16949226
phoenix

[Anonymous No.16949249]

>>16949240
>Why won't everyone in the world do [exact specific arbitrary test that I want] on their grinders so that one profound autist posting on an anonymous cow bile farming forum can figure out which grinder to buy
I wonder

[Anonymous No.16949253]

>>16949244
Gross.

[Anonymous No.16949257]

>>16949253
yes it sucks i wish i was back in va

[Anonymous No.16949262]

>>16949240
>>hey what if we measured grind consistency with free open source software that I just found out about today, have no experience testing, but will glom onto it in the hopes that it bolsters my nonexistent credibility.
I love how people want and will criticize the fruits of others labor, while not being in a position to contribute whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.16949263]

>>16949249
>directly measure the grind consistency
>arbitrary

It would be like if you could measure the frequency response curve of audio equipment for 25 cents, and you keep the 25 cents, yet it's not done and you trust the anecdotes of "experts".

[Anonymous No.16949267]

>>16949263
Buy the BSG or shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.16949269]

>>16949267
>and

[Anonymous No.16949272]

can you guise recomend a good grinder and expresso machine combination?
my budget is $18k (US)

[Anonymous No.16949275]

>>16949272
Breville Smart Grinder and Gaggia Classic

[Anonymous No.16949278]

>>16949262
You're criticizing the labor of the photogrammetry method. Which you will be able to tell if it's not measuring the grounds in your photo properly. It may or may not be as good as laser diffraction, but it's a lot better than... how did you say people were supposed to determine grind consistency again? Ask discord?

[Anonymous No.16949285]

>>16949267
Why are you mad? It's good news that the knowledge is cheaply and easily accessible, but people have to demand it and stop relying on consensus.

[Anonymous No.16949286]

>>16949272
I think $18k is actually the exact cost for the Mastrena espresso machines they use at Starbucks. Have to buy them through shady back alley deals, though.

[Anonymous No.16949305]

>>16949285
The fact that you refuse to buy the BSG indicates that you don't actually believe that it's a good grinder. So why do you keep shitposting about it?

[Anonymous No.16949309]

>>16949305
I don't refuse to buy it, I just haven't made a decision yet. I'm currently in the 4chan research phase which I have to say has been a waste of time

[Anonymous No.16949312]

>>16949309
Yeah it sure has been so why don't you fuck off already

[Anonymous No.16949328]

>>16949278
>how did you say people were supposed to determine grind consistency again?
By buying a set of sieves. I told you to ask discord because a few of the people there are extremely autistic and hang out in rooms with 10k of various grinders and fuck around all day. That's how you learn enough about a subject to develop a testing methodology dipshit.

https://www.endecotts.com/products/sieves/

[Anonymous No.16949365]

>>16949286
>superautomatic

[Anonymous No.16949448]

>>16948794
just curious what grinder did that guy recommend to go with the gaggia?

[Anonymous No.16949459]

Wait you guys are arguing about that shitty breville grinder? It’s fine for pour over I guess but I can’t imagine unironically buying it for espresso kek, the state of you faggots LOL

[Anonymous No.16949641]

>>16948126
>let's just list everything that's popular and <$500
Damn didn't know it's that easy to be a snob

[Anonymous No.16949470]

>>16949448
weber hg2

[Anonymous No.16949679]

>>16949517
2nd crack is pretty dark for that one. Betcha the lighter one is going to taste much better.

[Anonymous No.16949517]

Just finished two roasts of those Ethiopian Guji-dimtu beans. I did one after second crack but before oiliness, and one between first and second. I'll try them out tomorrow even though they won't have been resting long enough; I'm out of other coffee. I'll just bloom them for longer and see what happens. Man, it's so much cheaper, better, and more fulfilling to roast them yourself. Accounting for losses, 4 ounces of coffee will last me 10 cups, or about a week. 1 lb of coffee per month at 17 bucks for some seriously good beans... that's unbeatable. 40 cents per cup for REALLY good coffee.

[Anonymous No.16949684]

>>16949641
Hand grinders, sette 270, and the new varios are all still in for entry level, but if you go a few bucks more at $350 you can snag df64s now and swap in ssp burrs later. You would be retarded to pay delonghi $230 for an espresso grinder with 18 steps.

[Anonymous No.16949695]

>>16949679
You think? I mean I halted it as soon as I heard second cracks starting, not that I waited for them to stop. There's zero oil in the roast.

[Anonymous No.16949731]

>>16949695
The oil takes a day or two to show up. I usually stop my natural Ethiopians somewhere *during* 1st crack. You really can't say where each coffee tastes the best until after you've done a few batches. Some are more forgiving if you cross into dark roast territory, but some taste like crap if you hit 2nd crack. You'll find out. Let us know in the next thread.

[Anonymous No.16949757]

>>16949731
For sure. I've roasted dark before and it definitely leeched oil right away, so that was my reference point. I look forward to keeping you guys updated in the next thread.

Not much difference color wise between the two, but the split has a different appearance.

[Anonymous No.16949759]

>>16949731
What I find works very well is to cut the heat right in the middle or just after a good rolling 1st crack, but keep agitating. They'll keep popping for a bit, and the color darkens a little bit while you do this. Then I dump 'em and blast 'em with a cooling fan to stop the roast completely. I started doing this coast thing after getting some fuckhuge 18-20 size beans. They were just too big to roast evenly. When I applied it to the tiny Ethiopian coffee beans and found I got a lot better control.

[Anonymous No.16949769]

>>16949759
So what I think this is is carryover cooking, or residual heat. The larger coffee beans have a greater volume to surface area ratio. If you just blast it like normal you'll get an unpleasant over/under roast. Similar to an over/under extraction flavor with a hitty grinder that gives boulders and dust. But to use the residual heat before crash cooling the insides of the beans even out better with the outsides. I've found this also corrects for when you're doing a lighter roast on average sized beans and you keep getting patchy light and dark surfaces. It's just more even. Blah blah blah.

[Anonymous No.16949783]

>>16949759
>cut the heat right in the middle or just after a good rolling 1st crack, but keep agitating.
This is how my tc4+ abomination popper runs. Cut the heat at target temp, bump the fan up to 92% to cool and dechaff. That worka sakaro is fucking fantastic btw. Definitely snag some.

[Anonymous No.16949805]

someone made a new thread for you coffee spergs

so go argue about made-in-china grinders and plastic espresso squeezing tubes in the new thread

>>16949477