/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.16056451]

If red meat has been proven to be carcinogenic, why is it still a staple of a regular diet?

[Anonymous No.16056452]

>>16056451
The only times I've seen people make the claim is because of additives like nitrates

[Anonymous No.16056459]

Its a work in progress. Bitter clingers will be worn down over the next decade as plant and insect alternatives become more popular. Plus they're mostly poor and rural so they'll be priced out of meat in due time.

[Anonymous No.16056471]

Because it actually HASNT been proven to be a carcinogen. The who even admits red meat has health benefits in their faqs about their claim that red meat is "possibly" a carcinogen even though their shitty rat studies showed that red meat actually helped prevent colon cancer.

[Anonymous No.16056497]

>>16056459
>Plus they're mostly poor and rural so they'll be priced out of meat in due time.
This is actually the whole reasoning behind the "eat the bugs goy" meme. It's got nothing to do with sustainability and everything to do with using the population as cattle while real meat is reserved for ""them.""

[Anonymous No.16056503]

>>16056451
>proven
Show me the study.

[Anonymous No.16056508]

>>16056497
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.16056544]

>>16056451
>>16056503

I think this is the most famous one, just a small association of a 16% increase risk of colon cancer for eating at least a serving a day. Even if it was a proven cause of that increase, it really isn't that big an issue. Eat with abandon, OP.

Pan A, Sun Q, Bernstein AM, Schulze MB, Manson JE, Stampfer MJ, Willett WC, Hu FB. Red meat consumption and mortality: results from 2 prospective cohort studies. Arch Intern Med. 2012 Apr 9;172(7):555-63. doi: 10.1001/archinternmed.2011.2287. Epub 2012 Mar 12. PMID: 22412075; PMCID: PMC3712342.

[Anonymous No.16056612]

>>16056451
yummy

[Anonymous No.16056615]

>>16056451
I don't give a shit. I'm eating it anyway.

[Anonymous No.16056644]

>>16056544
>as always, it's a questionnaire that doesn't account for any possible other factors involved.
>it's about as "proven" as proving death to increase person's wealth by comparing dead people to teenagers and finding that the former tend to have a higher peak net worth.
Thank you for posting the source, anon.

[Anonymous No.16057053]

>>16056451
>if
Post the study, you know the one, there’s only the one and it’s been widely discredited for many years by many people including ethical vegans.

[Anonymous No.16058213]

>>16056497
Schizophrenics shouldn't be allowed to post here.

[Sage No.16058232]

Every major study on the detrimental health effects of red meat done in the last 2 decades was reviewed by a board of experts from around the world and they concluded that there is little to no evidence to suggest red meat is harmful.
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M19-1621

[Anonymous No.16058259]

>>16056451
>proven
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.16058269]

>>16056459
>they'll be priced out of meat in due time.
I could buy meat even if it was $400 per lbs.

[Anonymous No.16058290]

>>16056471
>>16056544
>>>16056644
>>16057053
>>16058232
Why do you lie?
>The best evidence comes from a pair of large 2005 studies, one from Europe, the other from the United States. The European research tracked 478,000 men and women who were free of cancer when the study began. During nearly five years of follow-up, 1,329 people were diagnosed with colon cancer. The people who ate the most red meat (about 5 ounces a day or more) were about a third more likely to develop colon cancer than those who ate the least red meat (less than an ounce a day on average). Their consumption of chicken did not influence risk one way or the other, but a high consumption of fish appeared to reduce the risk of colon cancer by about a third. The effects of red meat and fish held up after the results were adjusted for other potential colon cancer risk factors, including body weight, caloric consumption, alcohol consumption, smoking, physical exercise, dietary fiber, and vitamins.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/red-meat-and-colon-cancer#:~:text=A%20meta%2Danalysis%20of%2029,meat%20increases%20risk%20by%2020%25.

[Anonymous No.16058296]

>>16056471
>>16056544
>>16056644
>>16057053
>>16058232
>The U.S. study, sponsored by the American Cancer Society, added important information about the effects of long-term meat consumption. The subjects were 148,610 people between the ages of 50 and 74. Each person reported on his or her dietary patterns and health habits when the study began in 1982 and again, 10 to 11 years later. A high consumption of red and processed meats at both dates was linked with a substantial increase in the risk of cancer in the lower colon and rectum. Conversely, the long-term consumption of large amounts of fish and poultry appeared protective.

[Anonymous No.16058297]

>>16058290
don't care.

[Anonymous No.16058301]

>>16056471
>>16056544
>>16056644
>>16057053
>>16058232
>These two studies are impressive, and they don't stand alone. A meta-analysis of 29 studies of meat consumption and colon cancer concluded that a high consumption of red meat increases risk by 28%, and a high consumption of processed meat increases risk by 20%.

[Anonymous No.16058309]

>>16058297
You did care enough to lie apparently.

[Anonymous No.16058318]

>>16058309
you have me confused with someone else.

[Sage No.16058324]

>>16058290
>>16058296
>>16058301
Correlation does not equal causation.

[Anonymous No.16058349]

>>16058296
Food frequency questionares are not causation.

Tell me, how many lbs of blueberries did you eat in the last 5 years? Oh you... cant give an accurate answer? Just give it yout best shot.

Also are we factoring in other things like bmi, smoking, exercise, alchohol consumption?

Yeah your studies found correlation, they were paid to, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.16058369]

>>16056451
Why do people smoke, drink alcohol and use drugs?

[Anonymous No.16058372]

>>16058349
>Also are we factoring in other things like bmi, smoking, exercise, alchohol consumption?
Not only you lied about the level of evidence but you didn't even bother to read what I posted.
>The effects of red meat and fish held up after the results were adjusted for other potential colon cancer risk factors, including body weight, caloric consumption, alcohol consumption, smoking, physical exercise, dietary fiber, and vitamins.

[Anonymous No.16058374]

>>16058324
>The effects of red meat and fish held up after the results were adjusted for other potential colon cancer risk factors, including body weight, caloric consumption, alcohol consumption, smoking, physical exercise, dietary fiber, and vitamins.
Another retard that didn't read.

[Anonymous No.16058380]

jams your ass up and makes your gut fat
>>16056497
jews will feed a bug shit and you a bug, don't eat any of their food

[Anonymous No.16058381]

If oxidation from the air has been proven to be carcinogenic and a major factor in ageing, why is it still a staple of our biology?

[Anonymous No.16058389]

>>16056451
As always: in what amounts? Take sassafras for example. To drink enough root beer (made with real sassafras) to cause cancer, you’d die of the sugar long beforehand.

[Anonymous No.16058392]

>>16058349
>correlation isn't causation xDdd
Love how you retards say this as an epic gotcha as if scientists didn't know about confounding factors or as if scientific studies ever used language like "X food totally causes Y disease", it gives away that you don't read scientific studies.
If food questionnaires are unreliable, feel free to post something better.

[Anonymous No.16058395]

>>16056451
Alcohol is vastly more carcinogenic and everyone but Mormons get entirely butthurt if you tell them you don't drink.

Anymore I pop a few phenibut before hand and just tell them I pregamed

[Anonymous No.16058820]

>>16056459
>>16056497
That makes no sense, only an extremely developed agricultural industry could ever dream of exploiting soil only suitable for cattle for growing insects.

The entire world would have to be rich as shit for something like this to happen, that or have all insects grown in the first world shipped to the rest of the world and all beef grown in the rest of the world shipped to the first world, which would be very inefficient, taking into account that "they" are concerned with efficiency.

[Anonymous No.16058902]

>>16058392
Too bad there is new research showing that red meat has no effect on overall health. All the lobbyists funded by P&G are getting their panties in a bunch because the Annals of Internal Medicine are challenging their claims. God forbid our ever widening waistlines eat less grains and sugar in favor of a bigger steak.

This demonization of red meat and animal fats has been criticized and silenced over and over again since the invention of crisco. You are super butthurt that the whole world doesn't agree with you. You're such a pissy whiny bitchboy.

[Anonymous No.16058921]

>>16058902
>angry rant
>no source whatsoever backing his claims
>brings up grains when nobody said anything about grains
>blames grains for him being an obese faggot
>oblivious to the existence of vegetables, everything is either sugar or meat
Embarrassing. Not only you can't even dispute scientific research with a source backing you claims but you ousted yourself as a lardass.

[Anonymous No.16058945]

Seriously, why did this guy bring up grains and sugar when confronted with research on meat's impact on health?

[Anonymous No.16058965]

>>16058921
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-10-09/red-meat-diet-nutrition-guidelines

Again, you are a butthurt little girl who can't stand criticism.

[Anonymous No.16058980]

>>16058965
>https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-10-09/red-meat-diet-nutrition-guidelines
>posts an opinion article

[Anonymous No.16058987]

>>16058965
>a news outlet that doesn't even link to a study
Kek. What's the deal with your obsession with masculinity, fattie? Looking like a hamplanet is not masculine, you know.

[Anonymous No.16059070]

>>16058301
>>16058296
>>16058290
>Epidemiology
Kek, into the trash it goes. Give me a meta analysis of clinical trials stating that meat is bad, I'm waiting.

[Anonymous No.16059097]

>>16059070
>pro red meat evidence
Opinion pieces from the low Angeles times
>anti red meat evidence
Study and analysis of the distribution (who, when, and where), patterns and determinants of health and disease conditions in defined populations that anon discounts because they don’t agree with his argument

[Anonymous No.16059098]

>>16058987
Tell that to the dick you haven't seen in years.

[Anonymous No.16059143]

>>16059097
>>16058980
>>16058987
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31569236/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31569214/

Here you go fag. And remember, humans evolved eating red meat. The first animals we domesticated had red meat. We were able to live in landlocked areas (no fish) because of red meat. You can be a fag and let your cooperate overlords cuck you into a diet of cardboard cafo chicken (not duck because thats scawwy wed meat!) and unsustainably caught/shittily farm raised fish because you want your booty hole perfect for tyrell, but I don't give a shit. Even if these studies didn't exist I would still enjoy my steaks, livers, roasts, jerky, and (GASP) cured/smoked meats.

I'm sorry you were raised by a single mother.

[Anonymous No.16059144]

vegans and vegetarians are retarded monkeys.

[Anonymous No.16059174]

>contains every nutrient in their most bioavailable forms
>get's fully digested because it's literally pure nutrition
Anyone who believes that red meat is carcinogenic is braindead. The only reason why it could be carcinogenic is because of other factors such as animal feed not being carcinogenic and not species appropriate, medication or carcinogens created in the cooking process.
Food- and health science has always been heavily influenced by the food and pharma industry. Even smoking was "recommended by doctors" in the 50s. You could say veganism is the new smoking but it's all going to crash down sooner or later when vegan raised children grow up to be underdeveloped and get dementia in their 40s.

[Anonymous No.16059195]

can you guys argue about grass fed specifically for a few posts

[Anonymous No.16059204]

>>16059143
>Conclusion: Low- to very-low-certainty evidence suggests that diets restricted in red meat may have little or no effect on major cardiometabolic outcomes and cancer mortality and incidence.

This whole article was arguing that “ low- to very-low-certainty evidence that diets lower in red meat may have little or no effect on total cancer mortality”

Note the word “lower”. Need I pronounce it out for you. L o w e r. Now I know you may lack basic knowledge of basic definitions so I’ll put it in baby language for you. Teensy winsy less than big big thing.

Keep living on those opinion articles you mentally stunted retard

[Anonymous No.16059232]

>>16059204
Keep projecting. And move out of your moms basement already. She already regrets you enough

[Anonymous No.16059241]

>>16059204
You're literally a propaganda baby, why should anyone believe you. Probably also a tranny.

[Anonymous No.16059244]

>>16059241
He probably wishes he was a tranny with how useless his microdick is.

[Anonymous No.16059246]

>>16059232
>>16059241
Go on, post another opinion article, or better yet a study which doesn’t support your opinion whatsoever, so you can live in your sheltered red meat slobbering bubble

[Anonymous No.16059247]

>everybody talking manly
>nobody posting timestamped physique
really gets the noggin joggin

[Anonymous No.16059259]

>>16059246
Heres some white meat for you my boy

[Anonymous No.16059271]

>>16059246
>Go ahead, post propaganda that outdoes my propaganda
Why, you're already convinced not eating meat will make you morally superior. None of those studies are conclusive enough, and by my own experience meat is a great source of nutrition when paired with other foods. You're stupid.

[Anonymous No.16059277]

>>16059098
>no u
Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.16059287]

>>16056451
Fucking everything causes cancer, nobody gives a shit except faggots

[Anonymous No.16059293]

>hamplanets are confronted with evidence
>they sperg out and start ranting about transexuals and interracial sex or just claim research is all a hoax

[Anonymous No.16059298]

>>16059271
In stupid? Says the one who can’t state a single study in support of red meat yet still mindlessly goes on and on about it’s supposed health benefits >>16059174

I eat chicken and seafood not red meat and there will never be a study conclusive enough for you to prove it’s unhealthy properties in your mind.

[Anonymous No.16059301]

>>16059259
that pic kek

[Anonymous No.16059323]

>>16059298
You know you can eat mountain lion because their meat is light, but you can't eat duck because their meat is red. Also can you eat dark meat fish like wild caught salmon since their meat is red? Does that mean the corn fed farm raised salmon is healthier because the meat is lighter in color?

[Anonymous No.16059336]

>>16059323
isnt it the haem iron that causes ass cancer
so yes in the cases where that is why the meat is red

[Anonymous No.16059338]

>>16059323
White meats are those that remain white after they're cooked, and they include poultry, like turkey and chicken. Of course, the differences between red and white meat involve more than simply the color of the meat.

Another significant difference between red and white meat is the nutritional and health value of the meat. Red meat is typically higher in saturated fat, and many people regard white meat as healthier.

That is how you distinguish red and white meat

[Anonymous No.16059362]

>>16059338
But wild caught salmon is lower in fat overall. not to mention duck IS poultry but is a red meat. And duck is also a very fatty meat too.

There is also grass finished beef that is lower in fat. But then there is conventionally raised pork that is injected with weird shit to lower its fat content and make the meat light. So is pork a white meat?

Is rabbit a white meat? It is considered poultry and is so lean that people actually died from "rabbit starvation" when all they could catch and eat was rabbit. If low fat is healthy then wouldnt a lean meat like rabbit not cause people to starve to death on the pure protein meat?

[Anonymous No.16059370]

>>16059298
You're right, there will never be study that convinces me that red meat is carcinogenic because it's just common sense that it isn't. You might as well tell me breathing fresh air is carcinogenic. You would believe that too if science told you that, wouldn't you?

[Anonymous No.16059378]

Holy frick, meatchads are humiliating meatlets with actual arguments here.

[Anonymous No.16059398]

>>16059378
truth will always prevail, as long as there's people fighting for it

[Anonymous No.16059415]

nobody posting body w/timestamp lol

[Anonymous No.16059422]

>>16059415
including you coomer

[Anonymous No.16059424]

>>16059370
I guess you should get a pack of ciggies too I’m sure they don’t damage your lungs. Better yet jump off a cliff I’m sure gravity is just some science hoax
>>16059362
The classifications get tricky since white meat doesn’t strictly match the colour in name. However,
In nutritional studies, white meat includes poultry and fish, but excludes all mammal flesh, which is considered red meat.

[Anonymous No.16059426]

>>16059422
nice projection

[Anonymous No.16059447]

>>16059424
so this >>16059323 is red meat and this >>16059143 is white meat.

Got you.

[Anonymous No.16059504]

>>16059424
Ironically science once told us that smoking was healthy and people still believed it even if it was common sense that it wasn't healthy.

[Anonymous No.16059559]

>>16059504
Thats because scientific studies need funding. And whoever has the most money funds the studies. For example, the american heart association was a really tiny insignificant organization until proctor and gamble gave them several million dollars back in the 1920s. Do you think they would say anything bad about crisco?

[Anonymous No.16059611]

>>16056451
red meat doesn't cause cancer, certian byproducts of digestion of amino acids and heme iron cause cancer, and they are very weak causes at that. all food you eat will do the same thing, it's just that read meat usually has a lot of protein and heme.
literally a non-issue.

[Anonymous No.16060399]

>>16056451
bottom line is no RCT has ever shown that red meat consumption causes cancer or cardiovascular disease these "studies" you cite that are observational epidemiology ONLY show correlation not causation
in fact when the diet heart hypothesis (saturated fat causing heart disease) was finally tested in a large publicly funded well controlled RCT and it came back negative the results were hidden from the public for decades because the researchers didnt like the results and this is not a one off it happened to varying extents with the minnesota coronia study syndey heart study and a few other large expensive rcts
https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246
read Big Fat Surprise if youre interested in the history of this

[Anonymous No.16060466]

>>16056451
and telling people NOT to eat red meat when it is one of the best sources of vitamins in bioavailable forms while more and more people nutritionally defficient due to our poor modern diets is irresponsible and likely causing harm
too lazy to post but somebody could find the studies of underdeveloped children of vegan parents because of b12 and other vitamin defficiencies

[Anonymous No.16060720]

>>16060399
I'd rather trust the WHO.

[Anonymous No.16060746]

>>16056451

Because there are health benefits that balance it out. Just don't eat red meat for like every meal.

[Anonymous No.16060777]

>>16060720
didn't the WHO try to cover up the severity of covid 19 when it first happened because china was paying them to cover it up?

[Anonymous No.16061360]

>>16060720
>trusting jewish enterprise
good goyim

[Anonymous No.16061386]

>>16060777
literally yes lol

[Anonymous No.16061623]

>>16056471
Ok chud. Nice cope. Keep seething. You will never be a man.

[Anonymous No.16061628]

>>16056451
If the sun is proven to be carcinogenic why don't we live underground like mole people?

[Anonymous No.16061650]

>>16056451
Water is a likely carcinogen.

[Anonymous No.16061654]

>>16056451
it's only carcinogenic for type As who lack the stomach acid to sufficiently digest it.

[Anonymous No.16061750]

>>16061628
where do you think we are

[Anonymous No.16061767]

That's the Jewglobohomo pushing this lie.

[Anonymous No.16061790]

>>16061750
We’re talking about normal people
4channers are barely human to begin with

[Anonymous No.16061793]

>>16061654
Interesting how there is so little A and B in mexico and below

[Anonymous No.16061795]

>>16058296
>Self reports
You trust this? Self reports are the most inaccurate shits of all time
>>16059204
>>16059447
>Plebbit spacing
That explains a lot

[Anonymous No.16061852]

>>16056451
cooked meat, not red meat in general. anything cooked is carcinogenic.

[Anonymous No.16062171]

They use "Science" as the priesthood to dictate ethics and how we should live. I'm not even sure anymore if tobacco is actually bad or not.

[Anonymous No.16062183]

>>16062171
Honestly I just base smoking being bad on anecdotes. I lost family and know people who lost family to lung cancer/disease who were heavy smokers, as well as people who got throat cancer from second hand smoke. Like, a LOT of people.

Meanwhile regardless of red meat consumption I still don't know anyone who has died of colorectal cancer, and the only heart attack deaths I know of were fat sedentary fucks (who also sometimes smoked/drank heavily)

I think if you don't drink/smoke, exercise, don't overeat, and avoid junk food for more whole foods, you can get away with a nice thick juicy steak for dinner a few times a week.

[Anonymous No.16062194]

>>16056508
>>16058213

[Anonymous No.16062280]

>>16062183
Nice red herring, vegtard. You don't "get away" with something that's undeniably healthy like steak from grass-fed cows.

[Anonymous No.16062855]

Jesus this thread is really something. You will really defend red meat doubtless of how many studies BTFO it and constantly emphasise colorectal cancer and other health issues caused by it. Quite sad that you can’t find a single study, a SINGLE one to support eating red meat and all studies anti red meat are Jewish
Then you go on a rant about personal anecdotes and opinions you just recently pulled out your ass
>>16062194
>>16062183
>>16062171
>>16061852
>>16061795
>>16061767
>>16061360
>>16060466
>>16059611

[Anonymous No.16063208]

>>16056451
because of the boomers

[Anonymous No.16063730]

>>16062855
conveniently ignores
>>16060399
and just get triggered by the /pol/tards because the vegans/vegetarians dont have any good data (actual clinical trials not just shitty epidemiology that only show correlation not causation) supporting their claims

[Anonymous No.16063758]

Take my cows away and I'll start hunting faggots like OP

[Anonymous No.16063825]

>>16056451
>If red meat has been proven to be carcinogenic,
I'm sure, when that happens conclusively, red meat will be phased out.

[Anonymous No.16063859]

This has to be the most retarded thread ever.

[Anonymous No.16064035]

>>16058301
>this is a shit study
>well, what if we roll 30 shit studies into a meta analysis?

[Anonymous No.16064044]

>>16063825
>>16063859
>>16064035
Never enough to prove is it. Each study after another you'll just block your ears and pretend it isnt there. Sad!

[Anonymous No.16064052]

>>16059174
>You could say veganism is the new smoking
Thats a great analogy, damn

[Anonymous No.16064077]

There are even studies in places like the UK recently that people stated that they'd rather just die 10-20 years early than not eat meat. Its that good.

[Anonymous No.16064116]

>>16056508
stop taking your "meds" (HRT) you will never pass.

[Anonymous No.16064123]

>>16058902
the reason they demonize it is because they want a less manly population because it is easier to control

[Anonymous No.16064189]

im not afraid of death

[Anonymous No.16064202]

>>16060777
No, they made recommendations based on the available evidence at the time as protocols suggested. As for China paying them to cover up, this is nothing but a conspiracy theory from schizophrenic far-right blogs.

[Anonymous No.16064218]

>>16064202
China didn't "pay" to have it covered up
However China is a major contributor to the WHO's budget, and the WHO didn't try very hard to object or press for evidence when china initially downplayed the severity and the spread of covid. They made recommendations based on the available evidence, but did a shit job of collecting evidence.

[Anonymous No.16064224]

>>16064202
idk I heard about this from a guy who lived in china for a decade and wanted to love china but ultimately found it corrupt. He seems as far from right wing as you can be.

[Anonymous No.16064235]

>>16064123
You're not manly, fatass.

[Anonymous No.16064241]

>>16056451
if smoking has been proven to be carcinogenic, why is it still a staple of the American workplace?

[Anonymous No.16064243]

>>16064218
Covid's severity hasn't been downplayed. If anything, it's the opposite: they've been hyping this meme flu for two years and robbing me of my liberties.

[Anonymous No.16064250]

>>16064243
We're talking about January 2020 when it was new and countries were getting called racist for shutting their borders.

[Anonymous No.16064255]

>>16063730
>a 1968-1973 study
>isn't even about meat and cancer risk but about the effects of replacing saturated fat with vegetable oil rich in linoleic to see whether it reduces coronary heart disease and death by lowering serum cholesterol
You're a lying idiot.

[Anonymous No.16064259]

>>16064123
I think the term is "weaker, more docile" Women can also be a huge threat to the elite. Wasn't the womens march on versailles a major turning point for the french revolution?

[Anonymous No.16064263]

I eat red meat and butter all the time and I feel great.

[Anonymous No.16064356]

>>16064235
>there are only skellies and fatties
i can tell which one you are lol

[Anonymous No.16064373]

>>16064356
There's a pretty stark inverse correlation between BMI and testosterone, fattie.
And no, your rotund gut isn't muscular, fattie.

[Anonymous No.16064393]

>>16064373
19.1 actually

[Anonymous No.16064408]

>>16056451
IIRC, it's a very weak carcinogen, which is next to no issue unless you are eating kilos of it every day. Pretty much everything kills you if you take too much, including oxygen and water. Stop being so obsessed and afraid of death and just enjoy life.

[Anonymous No.16064410]

>>16064263
I also eat mcdonalds everyday and I feel fine. I think nutrition is a lot more complex than what these so called "experts" tell us

[Anonymous No.16064420]

>>16064408
>https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/risk-red-meat
>After adjusting for other risk factors, the researchers calculated that 1 additional serving per day of unprocessed red meat over the course of the study raised the risk of total mortality by 13%.
>Those who consumed the highest levels of both unprocessed and processed red meat had the highest risk of all-cause of mortality, cancer mortality and cardiovascular disease mortality.
Guess you should just enjoy life and start chain smoking cigarettes lmao

[Anonymous No.16064421]

>>16064420
yes?

[Anonymous No.16064440]

>>16064420
>additional serving
>additional
Just eat in moderation, like every sane dietician tells you to.

Wow, 13% whole percent! Who cares? It's like saying married people have 25-50% chance to get divorced, so you might as well be an incel your whole life. That may be fine for you, but I will take my chances.

[Anonymous No.16064446]

>>16064420
>risk of total mortality by 13%.
hehe

[Anonymous No.16064691]

>OH MY GOD OH MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE EAT RED MEAT AND DEFEND IT
>THE INSIDES OF THEIR ASSHOLES MUST BE RIDDLED WITH CANCER
the fuck is wrong with these people

[Anonymous No.16064695]

>>16064446
How can you raise a number above 100%?

[Anonymous No.16064830]

>>16064695
They will be super dead!

[Anonymous No.16065020]

>>16064691
They're upset that their asshole is riddled with cancer from all the dicks.

[Anonymous No.16065204]

>>16059259

[Anonymous No.16065324]

>>16064691
>>16065020
This is a sad way to cope with getting btfo.

[Anonymous No.16065342]

>>16065324
Can you at least make a new image? It makes me wonder if your iron poor diet has depleted your creativity stores.

[Anonymous No.16065365]

>>16065342
I'm not the author of that image but why make another one when that one hits a nerve, fattie?

[Anonymous No.16065371]

>>16065324
>>16065365
everyone knows that /ck/ posters are all sickly pale skeleton men

[Anonymous No.16065379]

>>16056451
life is carcinogenic

[Anonymous No.16065384]

>>16065371
Being skinny is attractive and healthy.

[Anonymous No.16065386]

>>16065384
being fit*

[Anonymous No.16065403]

>>16065384
post your abs lol

[Anonymous No.16065404]

>>16065384
>Being skinny is attractive and healthy.

[Anonymous No.16065413]

>>16065403
take your time its fine

[Anonymous No.16065425]

>>16056451
Look bro, the mongols ate red meat, dairy, and yogurt and took over most of Asia as a horde of nomads. I'll go with my gut and choose the diet of warriors and kings, not the meals of slaves and rodents.

[Anonymous No.16065453]

>>16065425
Mongolia has a life expectancy under 70

[Anonymous No.16065461]

>>16065453
Did you want to live longer than that?

[Anonymous No.16065463]

>>16065453
Genghis Khan only lived to 65. Your point?

[Anonymous No.16065472]

>>16065453
Yes its true zoo humans tend to live longer for the same reason zoo animals live longer.

[Anonymous No.16065511]

>>16056544
>Pan A, Sun Q, Bernstein AM, Schulze MB, Manson JE, Stampfer MJ, Willett WC, Hu FB. Red meat consumption and mortality: results from 2 prospective cohort studies. Arch Intern Med. 2012 Apr 9;172(7):555-63. doi: 10.1001/archinternmed.2011.2287. Epub 2012 Mar 12. PMID: 22412075; PMCID: PMC3712342.
What the fuck is this. Post a link I can click on you piece of shit

[Anonymous No.16066333]

>>16058290
>>16058296
>>16058301
You forgot to mention that the vast majority of the studies specifically done on red meat failed to control for whether it was processed, and you are also forgetting about all of the studies that proved a LACK of correlation between cancer and red meat consumption. I can't post links to any sources because I'm on my phone but I'm hoping that anyone reading this who wants to see if I'm telling the truth will go ahead and look for the studies themselves. From my understanding, the consensus is that unprocessed red meat is in fact healthy in moderation and probably doesn't cause cancer even in large amounts, but does slightly increase your risk of heart disease if you are already at risk.

[Anonymous No.16066346]

>>16065453
They also drink like four or five times more than the global average so that's actually really impressive

[Anonymous No.16066351]

>>16064259
>Women can also be a huge threat to the elite.
Not since feminism, they can't.

[Anonymous No.16066367]

>>16065511
Learn how to use your magic internet handbox for more than Facebook and porn, faggot.

[Anonymous No.16066811]

>>16066367
guess ill eat more red meat then

[Anonymous No.16066825]

>>16058296
>A high consumption of red and processed meats at both dates was linked with a substantial increase in the risk of cancer in the lower colon and rectum. Conversely, the long-term consumption of large amounts of fish and poultry appeared protective.

I eat large amounts of all of those so I guess it balances out. Checkmate, vegans.

[Anonymous No.16066925]

>>16066333
In one of those posts, it says
>A high consumption of red and processed meats at both dates was linked with a substantial increase in the risk of cancer in the lower colon and rectum. Conversely, the long-term consumption of large amounts of fish and poultry appeared protective.
See the "red and processed" bit?

And on another post, it says
>These two studies are impressive, and they don't stand alone. A meta-analysis of 29 studies of meat consumption and colon cancer concluded that a high consumption of red meat increases risk by 28%, and a high consumption of processed meat increases risk by 20%.
Again, a distinction between red and processed meat.

Next time bother reading the posts you reply to.

[Anonymous No.16066965]

>>16058372
Go back to faggit you retarded soyience faggotnigger

[Anonymous No.16066980]

>>16056451
Because it's fucking delicious

[Anonymous No.16067119]

>>16064052
they used to have to write so much for ads back then

[Anonymous No.16067318]

No one is making money on real meat. Processed fake meat is a money-maker and people have to be coerced into ingesting it "for their own good."

[Anonymous No.16067456]

>>16058290
Drink green tea.

[Anonymous No.16067523]

>>16067318
But the same studies say processed meat is even more carcinogenic than natural red meat

[Anonymous No.16068209]

>>16067119
I mean, it's shorter than an average modern sponsored article

[Anonymous No.16068331]

>>16064420
>the study raised the risk of total mortality by 13%
i love the wording in these jewish articles
do you realize what this means? if we google the general risk of colon cancer
>Overall, the lifetime risk of developing colorectal cancer is: about 1 in 23 (4.3%) for men and 1 in 25 (4.0%) for women
we have to multiply this general risk by 1.13. so your new risk factor then is for example for men:
0.043 * 1.13 = 0.04859
so your risk of developing colon cancer if you eat alot of red meat and/or processed meats as a male is 4.9% instead of 4.3% according to this study. this slight increase can even be because of statistical errors and it being a food questionnaire. quite useless. did you know that epidemiological studies that connected smoking with lung cancer had a 3000% increase? it needs to be ATLEAST 100% (a doubling) to be of concern. and then you do ACTUAL research into this, as an epidemiological study is not evidence, but more of an idea to research further into.

[Anonymous No.16068342]

>>16056451

People who eat nothing but beef with a pinch of salt for every meal are extremely healthy. I don't buy it.

[Anonymous No.16068428]

change is slow and people like steak

[Anonymous No.16068467]

>>16056459
>insect alternatives

[Anonymous No.16068471]

>>16056451
Memetics, infrastructure

[Anonymous No.16068483]

>>16058290
>1 329 people out of 479 000
>0.027% chance of developing colon cancer
>"a third more likely" isn't actually gonna significantly increase that risk

[Anonymous No.16068532]

>>16056451
I don't give two shits.
>>16056459
People like you disgust me. I'll make sure to either support meat producers or grow my own if I have to. Start messing with our laws and there'll be pushback.

[Anonymous No.16068540]

>>16062855
Fuck you. Really. Just fuck you.

[Anonymous No.16068545]

>>16056451
Red meat is the healthiest thing you can eat. Only a shill that wants you to eat what amounts to gruel like some slave would tell you otherwise. Their "studies" are meaningless paid papers with no actual value, or do you think cigarettes are healthy as well?

[Anonymous No.16068609]

>>16056451

If cars kill thousands of people a year why do we still drive them?

[Anonymous No.16069306]

>>16068342
Woah, dude, actual meta-studies btfo.

[Anonymous No.16069327]

>>16068331
Basically your cope amounts to
>not that many people get colorectal cancer anyway, so a 13% increase still isn't that many people
Good to see you've moved the goalposts after getting caught lying.
Also epidemiological studies > your lac of sources. Keep coping, fattie.

[Anonymous No.16069333]

>>16068532
Cletus-tier post, no wonder you fell for such obvious bait, hick.

>>16068540
You type like a redditor.

[Anonymous No.16069370]

People itt started by claiming that meat is healthy and that research backs their claims. The second they got contradicted with evidence, they started all types of coping
>w-who cares? Not that many people get colorectal cancer anyway
>w-who cares? The studies are all (((fake)))
>w-who cares, meat taste good
>w-who cares, self-report studies are not worth it (this without them posting studies backing their claims)
>w-who cares, here's an unrelated study about replacing saturated fat with something else and not about cancer risk
>b-but it's processed meat (while replying to a post that literally makes a distinction between red and processed meat)
>b-but you need to take smoking, BMI, exercise and alcohol into account (this is actually adjusted for)
>w-well u r a tranny xD

[Anonymous No.16069391]

>>16056451
its delishious

[Anonymous No.16069392]

>>16068609
Name the fallacy

[Anonymous No.16069412]

>>16069333
My, I've been rused with arguments people actually make. I don't care if it's bait or not. Fuck. You. I'll gladly play Cletus if it gets the point across.

[Anonymous No.16069639]

>>16069370
How do you know when someone's a vegan? Because they'll tell you. Kek

[Anonymous No.16069666]

>>16056451
>food studies
Into the trash. All you need is some common sense.

[Anonymous No.16070082]

>>16069370
why would I want to live an extra 30 years with fucktards like you? if anything I wish the heart attack I was supposed to enjoy happened over 2 years ago like I was promised by vegan faggots.

[Anonymous No.16070411]

>>16069327
>>16065384
>>16065403

[Anonymous No.16070419]

>>16058290
maybe participating in medical studies causes cancer

[Anonymous No.16070736]

>>16069327
no, he's saying that the amount of increased risk isn't even outside of uncertainty in the measurement. basically, you can't even claim with certainty that the risk is increased.

[Anonymous No.16070742]

>>16065384
being skinny can be a sign of illness

[Anonymous No.16071391]

>>16059204
Are you retarded?
It says diets restricted in red meat have little to no effect
As in it doesnt matter how much meat is consumed

[Anonymous No.16071591]

>>16056451
Short answer, it isn't.
Long answer, do you really think these people care about your health? Of course not. Otherwise the more pressing issue is seed oils or sugar. The most significant study I could find said meat increased cancer by 18%. Even if they actually controlled for all the other variables in the diet of your average meat eater vs vegetarian (which they didn't), it pales in comparison to the increased cancer risk from smoking which is 2500%. I legitimately don't know who is pushing this or why but your health is not their concern.

[Anonymous No.16071604]

>>16071591
Another liar, even after adjusting for obesity and smoking, the increase in cancer risk still applies, see >16058372

[Anonymous No.16071618]

>>16071591
>Otherwise the more pressing issue is seed oils or sugar.
According to whom?

[Anonymous No.16071639]

>>16071618
wew

[Anonymous No.16071663]

>>16071639
Not an argument. Post proof that sugar is more dangerous than meat.

[Anonymous No.16071665]

>>16071663
theyre both bad retard

[Anonymous No.16071674]

>>16071665
How is sugar bad?

[Anonymous No.16071677]

16071674
we're done here

[Anonymous No.16071679]

>>16056471
It has been proven so (in large quantities) for a long time now. Isn't this shit common knowledge? Just eat it in moderation.

[Anonymous No.16071707]

>>16056451
Everything else is carcinogenic too

[Anonymous No.16071714]

>>16071677
>>16071674
>>16071665
>>16071663
both of you need to stop reading women's checkout magazines and thinking it makes you informed

[Anonymous No.16071731]

>>16071714
red meat is fine i dont give a shit
just trying to see if i could bait him from
>proof that sugar is more dangerous than meat.
to
>How is sugar bad?

[Anonymous No.16071744]

>>16071731
You didn't post proof for either of those things and you claimed something about red meat that's contradicted by evidence.

[Anonymous No.16071755]

>>16071744
yeah
suck it nerd

[Anonymous No.16072437]

>>16071744
where is this "evidence" that red meat is bad i've only seen epidemiological studies posted here which only show correlation not causation, for the latter you'd need a randomized clinical trial testing red meat and ill health effects which to my knowledge does not exist... but the contrary does

[Anonymous No.16072474]

>>16072437
See
>>16058392
>>16058372
Btw, you do realize the difficulty in making a randomized controlled trial for cancer incidence, right?

[Anonymous No.16072501]

>>16072437
here is some of the real evidence testing whether red meat causes cancer in actual RCTs not just shitty epidemiology

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17855692/
8 year study on about ~2k people showing no change in risk for colorectal cancer

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/science/womens-health-initiative-whi
~50k women, 8 years, again NO effect on colorectal cancer

[Anonymous No.16072506]

>>16072474
you'll never figure out what is true with that attitude and above i just posted some RCTs testing that couildnt find the data for the WHI easily but if anybody is interested it shouldnt be too hard

[Anonymous No.16072508]

>>16056451
So is smoking and anything that releases smoke including candles, incense and even burning gas fuels which don't release visible soot.
I'm mostly vegetarian but the cancer risk isn't much of a consideration unless you're eating red meat everyday, then it could be worth cutting down to once or twice a week like a normal person (looking at you Americans).

[Anonymous No.16072518]

>>16072501
From the first study you posted.
>The Polyp Prevention Trial (PPT) was a multicenter randomized clinical trial to evaluate the effects of a high-fiber (18 g/1,000 kcal), high-fruit and -vegetable (3.5 servings/1,000 kcal), and low-fat (20% of total energy) diet on the recurrence of adenomatous polyps in the large bowel over a period of 4 years. Although intervention participants reported a significantly reduced intake of dietary fat, and increased fiber, fruit, and vegetable intakes, their risk of recurrent adenomas was not significantly different from that of the controls.

[Anonymous No.16072522]

>>16072501
The second link doesn't even link to a study.

[Anonymous No.16072523]

>>16072508
smoking presumably only when you directly draw the smoke into your lungs or significant amounts put into the surrounding air in an enclosed space

as far as the red meat carcinogenicity once again there is no good evidence, clinical trials showing this but if thats how you want to eat and you feel good doing it more power to you

[Anonymous No.16072528]

>>16072506
You posted only one RCT which doesn't claim what you claim it does.
>This study failed to show any effect of a low-fat, high-fiber, high-fruit and -vegetable eating pattern on adenoma recurrence even with 8 years of follow-up. (Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2007;16(9):1745-52).
Next time bother reading what you post or just don't lie.

[Anonymous No.16072554]

>>16072528
"Another possibility is that the dietary intervention was inadequate; a reduction in fat intake to ≤15% of calories or a greater intake of fiber or fruits and vegetables might be required to reduce the risk of recurrent adenomas. Moreover, we may not have chosen the optimal set of dietary targets. The 20% reduction in the consumption of red and processed meat among subjects in the PPT intervention group may have been too small to affect the risk of recurrence of adenomas. Since the PPT intervention was a behavior modification trial in which participants self-selected foods to obtain their fat, fiber, and fruit and vegetable goal, the range of intake of specific phytochemicals in foods was enormous. Moreover, in spite of the self-reports of dietary change and the (modest) effects on hard end points such as serum carotenoids and total weight, we cannot rule out the possibility that participants did not in fact make the fairly extensive dietary changes recorded in the dietary assessment instruments."

next time dont just read the abstract but thats not entirely your fault because they want to hide these results

[Anonymous No.16072575]

>>16072554
is from first study posted in
>>16072501
tl;dr you have to read more than just the abstract because they actively try to conceal their data when it shows red meat does not cause cancer

[Anonymous No.16072588]

>>16072554
>self-report isn't reliable
>here, look at this study based on self-reports, specially this part where they admit participants may not have made the extensive diet changes in the assessment instruments
Good job.

[Anonymous No.16072590]

>>16072523
You presume wrongly.

[Anonymous No.16072591]

Studies show 100% of Cancer patients consumed dihydrogen monoxide chronically, and was a fundamental part in them developing the disease.

[Anonymous No.16072596]

>>16072554
>>16072528
What the fuck does any of this shit means anyways? When I die who fucking cares if I was an herbivore or carnivore or just ate fast food or ate whole organic foods or whatever. I'll just be another rotting corpse for scientists and fuckers on this stupid website to squabble over.

I don't even want a cause of death or a cause of my health decline. I just wanna die (preferably my cause of death would be a doctor administered overdose of barbiturates when I become to invalid) and be unembalmed, uncremated, and fed to animals, if not that, buried in a shallow grave in the woods. What the fuck is wrong with all you fucking people? Who fucking gives a shit what he or she or they eat? Really, who gives a S H I T?

[Anonymous No.16072601]

get fucked braindead retard vegan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGG-A80Tl5g

[Anonymous No.16072606]

>>16072588
never fail to move the goal posts i cant say im surprised here is the other study i couldnt find from before
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4929241/
and criticism of self reported data of is warranted but these are at least randomized clinical trials which are a stronger form of evidence than the epidemiology i see posted here showing a link between red meat and cancer that also use self reported data

[Anonymous No.16072612]

>>16072596
well its a question of shithole cancer innit

[Anonymous No.16072622]

it's a falacy.
Red meat "increases" cancer risk because it boost a person's metabolism.
and higher metabolism "correlates" to a higher cancer risk.
they want you weak and lethargic.

[Anonymous No.16072625]

>>16072596
I'll simplify for you anon. Meat, fish and saturated fat are okay. Probably good to eat some green vegetables too and even modest amounts of unprocessed carbohydrate are okay as well just take it easy on the candy and soda. And I care because if you eat well you can live a longer, more healthful life less likely to be riddled with the chronic diseases that are currently in part causing life expectancy to decline and bankrupt the healthcare system. At least in the US rest of the world I can't comment except for the similar prevalence of these diseases; cancer, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, etc...

[Anonymous No.16072630]

>>16072622
not red meat per se but fat consumption increases energy expenditure, red meat and even moreso organ meats being the most nutritionally dense foods for humans on the planet

[Anonymous No.16072639]

>>16072588
>specially this part where they admit participants may not have made the extensive diet changes in the assessment instruments
what you are misinterpreting there is actually the researchers attempting to explain why they didn't get the result they were expecting i.e. more red meat more cancer

[Anonymous No.16072749]

>>16072625
I have an expansive garden I expand every year, eat boatloads of vegetables (though idk how the fuck you are supposed to get 2.5 lbs of salad in every day I eat pretty close to that number even though my garden yeilds lots of greens to where I could get those in during the growing season), I eat homeraised, slaughtered, and butchered poultry and I bought wholesale beef from a local farmer, but next purchase is gonna be from a regenerative farmer who grass finishes. I hate candy and I don't drink soda, not even diet soda. My main vices currently are grains and refined sugar. I want to learn to bake so I can upsell my garden crops at the farmers markets but the practice results in me indulging, so I limit those projects to once or twice a month and try to give away extra and make small batches. I fucking hate carbs.

It's not about health for me, its just about enjoying having a connection with my food.

Honestly, don't worry about what others eat or how they live their lives. It's not worth it. Whenever I see yet another fat fuck drinking 10 gallons of soda a week and their leg rotting off I just shrug it off. It was a twisted combination of financial greed and a fucked up form of empathy that created and continues to perpetuate this sick society. Best to avoid both.

[Anonymous No.16072764]

EAT THE BUGS
LIVE IN THE PODS
CONSUME THE PRODUCT

[Anonymous No.16072787]

>>16072749
sounds comfy, where are you?

[Anonymous No.16072793]

>>16072749
That's sounds like an amazing way to eat and live anon very happy for you. Unfortunately most are not so well informed and even those who try to be tend to be confused or misinformed because of all the mixed messaging. It gets even more difficult due to sugar being surreptitiously added to nearly everything in the grocery store. Consider the fact that continuing these worsening epidemics is a great boon to the food manufacturers who produce the garbage food that is poisoning people yet foot none of the bill. Most doctors, nutritionists, and hospitals will just treat your symptoms with lifelong drug usage that never addresses the actual root cause of these diseases. As well as the fact that the anti dietary and anti saturated fat message has been pushed by all relevant governmental and health authorities for nearly seventy years. Thankfully the ship seems to be slowly turning at this point, yet some would still like to double down on their failed advice so as to not have to admit guilt or mistake...

[Anonymous No.16072853]

>>16072787
Midwest flyover. Keep saying our food sucks, it keeps the coasties away.

>>16072793
Trust me, I know about all that shit. I've known about it for a LONG time. I have very little trust for doctors even though I ultimately know I will be their bitch in an emergency. As far as nutrition goes I just do what I can. You can try to inform people all they want but most of them are stuck in their ways. The issue really lies in that no one has any connection to their food. You can tell them a chicken is exactly like a human being and people will believe it because no one interacts with chickens anymore. I just don't care what other people do, I just want to take care of myself, and I don't want others taking that away from me.

[Anonymous No.16073225]

>>16056451
eat the bugs goyim

[Anonymous No.16073315]

>>16058290
>external contributing factors? what are those?
Oh, look... another shittily designed (((study))) that can't even articulate the unique properties of red meat that "lead" to the carcinogenic result. Fuck off jew.

[Anonymous No.16073342]

>>16066925
>red and processed
>illiterate seething soy
meaning they were lumped together lmao
fuck you're stupid...

[Anonymous No.16073350]

>>16056451
Literally everything is carcinogenic. If it exists, there's some artificial claiming a study has linked it to cancer. So who cares

[Anonymous No.16073366]

[Anonymous No.16073368]

I've already destroyed my brain with alcohol, the effects meat will have on my body are marginal

[Anonymous No.16073376]

[Anonymous No.16073389]

>>16073376
The human digestive system isn't a fucking series of pipes, retard.

[Anonymous No.16073405]

>>16073389
It is, though.

[Anonymous No.16073407]

>>16073350
Take your incels, med.

[Anonymous No.16073986]

>>16056451
Because the "regular diet" is absolute garbage and unhealthy.

[Anonymous No.16074199]

>>16056471
Enjoy the moobs lmao

[Anonymous No.16074202]

>>16074199
Enjoy the bird chest! Lmfao

[Anonymous No.16075195]

>>16073315
Literally the last paragraph in that post:
>The effects of red meat and fish held up after the results were adjusted for other potential colon cancer risk factors, including body weight, caloric consumption, alcohol consumption, smoking, physical exercise, dietary fiber, and vitamins.

Seriously, it's like the fifth time one of you idiots embarrasses himself like this

[Anonymous No.16075210]

>>16075195
This. It's like a joke at this point. Lying and claiming that they don't take external factors into account is dishonest as it is but lying like this when the very post they reply to contradicts them is plain embarrassing. And it didn't happen once but multiple times in this thread.

[Anonymous No.16075222]

>>16072606
If you want to cherrypick to keep stuffing your face with red meat, good for you.

[Anonymous No.16075318]

>""""""proven""""""
>"""""""independent""""""" research
>""""""""""verified"""""""""""" results
>"""""""""""""""""""""experts"""""""""""""""""""""""
Follow the money. Who pays the researchers' income and holds their careers hostage?

[Anonymous No.16075349]

>>16073405
If your pipes get to the temperature it takes for bacon grease to solidify not only are you dead but you have been dead for a while.

Seriously a healthy human is 98 degrees and will die if they get below like 94-93 except for some freak cases of hypothermia where you are unconscious and close to death.

[Anonymous No.16075382]

>>16073366
As soon as an animal dies it goes into rigormortis. You need to wait 24 hours before the muscle fibers relax again. The meat will not oxidize until it is exposed to oxygen, same goes for plant flesh. I have eaten frozen meat wrapped in butchers paper that was almost a year old and it's been just fine and perfectly red because it was frozen after chilling after slaughter (freezing immediately after slaughter will result in tough meat)

[Anonymous No.16075844]

>>16075210
still only correlation not causation... if you don't have clinical trials then there isn't good enough data also how would red meat cause cancer when it used to be eaten even more then at current rates (think pre 1960s/1970s) yet rates of cancer were lower then they are today

[Anonymous No.16076033]

>>16075318
It's the Big Broccoli industry.

[Anonymous No.16076306]

>>16056451
dont buy meat from costco or other shady suppliers with suspiciously low prices.
nothing but red dye and preservatives in that machine tenderized shit.

buy meat from a trustworthy butcher, not some middle man for china.

[Anonymous No.16076547]

>>16056451
Life has proven to be terminal, you still you insist on living. Why is that?

[Anonymous No.16076600]

>>16076033
>plays dumb to the existence of cash crops

[Anonymous No.16077364]

Vegans are truly embarrassing themselves as per usual itt.

[Anonymous No.16078680]

>>16072622
you WILL eat the bugs and you WILL love it
https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/may/08/if-we-want-to-save-the-planet-the-future-of-food-is-insects

[Anonymous No.16079060]

>>16068331
this is the main reason why these studies are so bad. the difference is so small, it could easily be due to people estimating their intake inaccurately. smoking had huge differences, which were further studied in more controlled environments. not only that, but there needs to be clearer definitions of what constitutes as red meat, claiming that salami is the same as a wild animals fresh meat is just wrong. if you think red meat is bad for you and you don't want to eat it, go ahead. but the problem is that people act like there's undeniable proof that red meat is bad for you, which there is not. I'm not claiming that red meat is healthy, we just don't know if it is or if it isn't. but the studies that have been done so far appear to point to the fact that possible detrimental health effects are nonexistent or at worst barely noticeable

[Anonymous No.16079185]

>>16056451
>>16068483 <-- is right
Had this conversation with my vegan university flatmate a few years ago when the NHS brought out all this stuff saying red meat was bad. she kept telling me it was awful blah blah she studies biology blah blah le NHS said so.
When i actually looked at the Oxford study or whatever it only really increase the chanced from like 5% to 6% (not actual figures it was probably less), but they worded it as INCREASES CHANCES OF CANCER (incurable death disease you will die) BY A WHOPPING 20.0000%!!!!!!!!
Meanwhile she was always fucking tired (wonder why)
This OTHER super hippy vegan guy i knew fucked his leg up bouldering, to this day it hasnt healed properly and hes not experimenting with red light.

[Anonymous No.16079219]

>>16076600
Man all these subsidies going to big wheat oh wait sixty three percent of the U.S. government food subsidies go directly or indirectly to subsidize the meat and dairy industries, less than 1 percent goes to fruit and vegetable cultivation and less than 2 percent goes to nut and legume cultivation.
>>16077364
>>16078680
>>16079060
>>16079185
Can't quote a single study in support of red meat, embarrassing. No wonder Amerifats are so unhealthy when they show this much subservience to burgers and steak

Keep bumping this gem of a thread and keep on that heme iron retards

[Anonymous No.16079236]

>>16056459
>poor and rural
It's pretty much impossible to be both poor and rural nowadays. To live a rural life you need a car and probably have to own your house, neither of which poor people can afford. They may be rural and stupid, but highly unlikely they are also poor.

[Anonymous No.16079254]

>>16056451
Everything is cancerous. Red meat tastes delicious though so normal people will keep on eating it. I'm actually finishing off a steak in the oven right now. Can't wait to eat it.

[Anonymous No.16079352]

>>16058290
>>16058296
Peiple who are more eager to participate in such studies already have a history of family illnesses and do it for the free medical checks.

[Anonymous No.16079543]

>>16079254
Enjoy the colon cancer and antibiotics. Plus people can only afford such an inefficient source of nutrients because of the huge subsdidies
>>16079352
Mega cope. Red meat is cancerous and big beef serviles like you will always defend it.

[Anonymous No.16079628]

>>16066925
I'm no science fag but what are the controls? Same cuts and cooking style? Unadulterated(unseasoned)? From a local grocer or a dedicated butcher? Are they counting the 'char' on grilled steaks as a carcinogen?
I am just curious of the qualifiers.

[Anonymous No.16079635]

Tastes good

[Anonymous No.16079639]

>>16079628
Look up heme iron
>>16079635
So does chocolate cake

[Anonymous No.16079650]

>>16079543
Thanks. I did enjoy my steak very much. I might have to buy another for tomorrow's dinner too.

[Anonymous No.16079709]

>>16079639
Chocolate cake isn't carcinogenic and does no damage to your health if you control your portion size and frequency

[Anonymous No.16079726]

>>16079709
Does chocolate cake have amino acids that the body needs?

[Anonymous No.16079871]

>>16079726
>egg
>flour
>dark chocolate
yes

[Anonymous No.16079876]

[Anonymous No.16079900]

All these meat eaters absolutely btfo itt. They will definitely see my superiority and convert to veganism now. I'm so damn great lol

[Anonymous No.16080017]

>>16079900
Those fatties would cry if they didn't stuff their faces with sausages every day, the last thing they'd do is become vegan. Instead they'll just do what's said in this post: >>16069370

[Anonymous No.16080027]

>>16079352
Irrelevant because participants in the studies are being compared to each other, not to those who didn't participate in the study. Try again.

[Anonymous No.16080121]

>>16080017
So ultimately what is the point of this thread?

[Anonymous No.16080182]

>>16056451
> less than 5% percent increase
> sunlight and city air will kill you first

[Anonymous No.16080313]

>>16080121
For vegans to pretend they are better than anyone because they have no social life and no one likes being aorund them.

[Anonymous No.16080318]

>>16056451
If Corona has been proven to be a flu, why is it still being pushed as a narrative?

[Anonymous No.16080780]

>>16073376
>>16073405
This is some "I am 13 and just took my first big kid science class" shit

[Anonymous No.16082235]

>>16059259
Kid got some balls on him, goddamn...

[Anonymous No.16082462]

>>16056459
I'm going to fukkk you, everyone you know to death.
No matter how long it takes, my basement is large.

[Anonymous No.16082466]

>>16056451
Assuming you're right (you aren't) nothing will ever be as cancerous as your faggot ass