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16031582 No.16031582 [Reply] [Original]

Why do Americans put up with High-fructose corn syrup?

>> No.16031590

>>16031582
america is run by corporate lobbyists

>> No.16031597

>>16031582
It's what plants crave

>> No.16031609

>>16031582
I don't. I only drink water, wine, beer, coffee and selltzers. Most white people here are aware of the issues associated with HFCS, so it's mainly consumed by dumb mutts, niggers and spics, or at barbeques when there's nothing else left in the cooler.

>> No.16031770

>>16031582
Not really anymore since it seems everyone wants to stay away from it. I usually find This doesnt have HFCS on the box of many things.

>> No.16031792

>>16031582
They're too tired to put up a fight because of all the high fructose corn syrup.

>> No.16031818
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16031818

Am I really supposed to be butthurt that ketchup has corn syrup in it? It's not like ketchup is fattening.

>> No.16031819

>>16031770
yeah, now they just use codenames instead lol

>> No.16031831

>>16031582
Subsidies and lobbying, combined with a populace that is retarded when it comes to nutritional education. Remember the food pyramid? Suggested most of your diet should come from carbs.
The sheer number of foods with added sugars in them is staggering and includes shit like bread, peanut butter, cereals, condiments, even fucking fruit juice that already naturally has sugar gets even more added in.

>> No.16032134

>>16031792
kek

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>>16031590
Truth

>> No.16032147

>>16031818
>corn syrup in ketchup
That's gross.

>> No.16032254

probably because you're assuming every single american is a poor retard

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16032269

I'm trying my best to avoid it but it's in damn near everything.
>mfw

>> No.16032310

>>16031582
Some of us read labels and avoid it
>>16031590
fpbp
almost every facet of our society is controlled by money

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>>16031590
fpbp

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>>16031590
NOOOOO YOU GOTTA #BUILDBACKBETTER WITH US NOOOO

>> No.16032432

>>16031609
>issues associated with HFCS
i've never really paid attention because we don't have that stuff where i live, but what are the issues?
>>16032310
>almost every facet of our society is controlled by money
almost universally applicable to the world in itself, certainly however in le civilised western world

>> No.16032465

>>16032432
>foreign policy controlled by corporations
>military expenditures controlled by military contractors
>healthcare policy controlled by insurance, pharmaceuticals, etc.
>education policy controlled by educational industry
>carcinogenic flame retardant must be in mattresses b/c of chemical industry
>local politics controlled by real estate developers
as I get older, I find more and more of these connections. is it like this in everywhere?

>> No.16032469

>>16032465
who the fuck else would control everything

>> No.16032565

>>16032469
well, if you ask /pol/...

>> No.16032570
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>>16031590
unfortunately

>> No.16032576

>>16032565
any board that archives threads on the same day theyre made is bound to be full of retards

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16032579

I'm curious euro here how much do americans eat vegetables fruit etc and other healthy foods? Is there any reason not to, are they more expensive for some reason?

>> No.16032596

My retarded mom said sweet teas like nestea and Arizona are healthier than soda because they don't have carbonation. Boomers are a bunch of fat retards lol.

>> No.16032601

>>16032579
The US is a large country with a lot of different people in it. Some people eat healthy, but the average person does not
Produce can be cheap or expensive, depending on where you live. Plus, many people just don't like vegetables

>> No.16032618

>>16032579
America has tons of fruit and vegetables that get bought up by corporations that immediately go into unhealthy shit. This makes getting them on their own more expensive as a result. It sucks. I just fast these days. Only way to beat the system.

>> No.16032669

>>16032601
Huh fair and balanced
>>16032618
Could you grow your own? I have my own patch growing like strawberries, green beans etc. Dats my advice. Then you can eat unhealthy stuff as well if you eat some healthy it balances out

>> No.16032675

>>16032601
>Produce can be cheap or expensive, depending on where you live.

Haha city cucks and their food deserts make me laugh

>> No.16032678

>>16032669
It's not my job to grow food.

>> No.16032679

>>16031582
cos it stop s ppl from stealing juice

>> No.16032816

>>16032675
Cities in California have cheaper produce items than the rural Midwest

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16033029

who loooooooves orange soda?

>> No.16033079

>>16033029
rolling

>> No.16033082

I don't. No one in my family drinks that shit

>> No.16033103

>>16032269
Just like walk past it in the supermarket dude. Walk straight to the meat section or the produce section. Eat shit from there. Its not that hard.
Just don't shop the shelves and if you have to, read ingredients.
https://sugarscience.ucsf.edu/hidden-in-plain-sight/
The side bar on the right is about 60 other names for sugar on packaging.

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>>16031818
>nutrition facts per serving (which can be whatever size they want) instead of per 100 grams
what the fuck is this, it makes it look like 4 grams of sugar is nothing but in fact it is 23.5g per 100g which is almost in the candy territory
they just want you fat

>> No.16033425

>>16031582
FDA is corrupt

Idiots are brainwashed to trust the FDA

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>>16031590
FPBP also just drink water or tea honestly.

>> No.16033531

Food lobby lobbies for subsidies
Government provides subsides to corn farmers
corn farmers make more corn than then US needs
unused corn goes to into make HFCS
HFCS goes into literally anything that needs sugar which artificially lowers prices

>> No.16034014

Just don’t drink it? We don’t have government agents forcing us to consume products. You get a choice over here. I’ve been drinking la croix (luh-CROY) and it’s pretty tasty.

>> No.16034382

>>16031582
>put up with

And what would you have us do? I know I go for the cane sugar drinks whenever I want one and the choice is there, but most Americans are too fucking stupid to make the difference so we're stuck with corn juice everywhere.

>> No.16034418

>>16032565
lmao, tHe JeWs. Just say elitist ffs

>> No.16034440

Idk maybe 'cause it tastes good.

>> No.16034452

What are you gonna do, stop drinking Pepsi, Coke, Dr pepper??

>> No.16034491

>>16031582
>what is a staple crop?
Why do you put up with beet sugar? Stupid question. You live in a different environment.

>> No.16034550

>>16034452
Dr. Pepper has a cane suger alternative and Coke's yellow cap kosher soda has sugar as well. I know Mountain Dew was doing real sugar offerings for a while but IDK if they still do.

>> No.16034570

>>16031582
You'll find that people in general will put up with virtually anything if they're raised alongside it. If the older generation doesn't nip it in the bud, the kids will take it as normal. Then it'll start to get worse, and if that generation doesn't end it there, the next generation will normalize something even more terrible, and so on.

>> No.16034577

>>16034550
Dr Pepper and Coke have some seriously damning politics. I'd rather suck down some corn syrup and run less of a risk helping damage everyones' lives. Pick up generic and drink in moderation is my goal.

>> No.16034622

>>16031582
Diet soda doesn’t have corn syrup but you get made fun of for drinking it in burgerland

>> No.16034631

>>16034577
I tend to go store brand anyways because my store has decent soda made with cane sugar. I was just talking about the big names because that's what the post I replied to mentioned.

>> No.16034877

>>16031582
Hfcs is metabolically the same as sugar and tastes a little different. It's not a big deal
>BUU ITS NOD DA SAME AS SUGAR
I did a fucking thesis on this. To the body, it's the same as sugar, except increased diarrhea if you consume an utterly huge amount

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16034884

Stop drinking pop.

>> No.16034899

Still waiting on anyone itt to say that the problem with it is or why they avoid it.

>> No.16034952

Carbonation is na dfor your teeth. I wish they made uncarbonated sodas.

>> No.16034965

>>16032465

Just capitalism working as intended, comrade

>> No.16034970

>>16034884
I can't. I'm addicted to diet coke.
Lately, I have been adding a dash of cheap wine to it to improve the flavor.

>> No.16035002

>>16034899
I don't want an abundance of diabetes syrup in everything I eat. Simple as.

>> No.16035010

Because I don’t have some absurd idea that sugar made from sugar is sugar and therefore healthy and wholesome because farmers good and companies I like care about me, but if the sugar is is actually made from sugar instead of sugar, it’s suddenly not sugar and therefore poison because farmers evil and companies I don’t like are killing the world because they have a moon colony to escape to.

>> No.16035015

>>16035010
Fructose is metabolized differently.

>> No.16035033

>>16034899
Drinking soda made from the sugar created by god instead of the sugar grown by evil corporations not only helps with weight loss, it also cures diabetes and assists with raising testosterone.
Is that enough? Or would you like some more reasons?

>> No.16035065

>>16035002
then don't eat stuff with it? implementation of hfcs is not an issue with hfcs, it's an issue with federal government

>> No.16035067

>>16035015
>Fructose is metabolized differently.

in what way? go ahead and be really specific.

>> No.16035069

>>16034877
Can you go into further detail on this? Genuinely curious as in my mind they should be mostly the same. I've heard HCS is harder on the body but it can't be THAT much worse than sugar.

>> No.16035095

>>16035065
>then don't eat stuff with it?
I don't?
See:
>>16034899
>why they avoid it

>> No.16035109

>>16032816
no shit. california grows almost ALL the produce the us consumes. of course it's going to be cheaper.

>> No.16035135

>>16035067
not him, but the liver handles fructose exclusively as the the GI tract is essentially retarded and doesn't know what to do with it. glucose is what our bodies know how to use and seeing as most of digestion and nutrient absorption is done in the GI tract, its nonsensical to have our organ that primarily filters toxins processing our body's fuel. we aren't made to run on fructose, its too much of a big to make it usable in our bodies.
t. fresh out of my second year of anatomy

>> No.16035140

>>16035069
see
>>16035135

>> No.16035170

>>16035015
>Fructose is metabolized differently.
Differently than what? The fructose you’re blissfully unaware of eating because it isn’t on the ingredient list?
“Sugar” (both cane and beet) aka sucrose is 50/50 fructose/glucose.
The ‘highest’ HFCS (HFCS55, really only used for soda) is 55% fructose. A whole whopping 5% more.
And the ‘regular’ HFCS (HFCS42, used for not-soda) is, you guessed it, only 42% fructose.
So with the exception of bottles of literal liquid candy (which nobody should be drinking anyway), a product using HFCS has *less* fructose than a product using “sugar”.

>> No.16035180

>>16032432
>i've never really paid attention because we don't have that stuff where i live, but what are the issues?
Diabetes for one

>> No.16035186

>>16035170
well the problem is that hfcs is ONLY fructose. our bodies can't utilize fructose well. cane sugar might be a disaccharide, but we can use the glucose without a roundabout method. sure, its all sugar when you get to brass tacks, but having your liver metabolize sugar not only is bad for your liver, but is an improper way of getting energy distributed around the body. don't think im trying to poke holes in your idea, im just clarifying for the people lurking. ultimately sugar should be consumed in low amounts, but fructose is an absolute bitch to solely rely on for energy

>> No.16035192

>>16035135
>the GI tract is essentially retarded and doesn't know what to do with it
explain the GLUT5 transporter then fucking m2 trash

>> No.16035223

>>16035135
>as the the GI tract is essentially retarded and doesn't know what to do with it

who in the world told you this?

>> No.16035227

>>16035135
>t. fresh out of my second year of anatomy
Future murse or doc?
If you chose murse-life, prepare for a career on easy-mode where your dick is a master-key to open all doors.
I’ve never met a (honest) nursing manager who hasn’t mentioned they move resumes from men to the top of the stack, and make offers with significantly higher pay because they know murses will work circles around their counterparts.

>> No.16035229

>>16035186
>our bodies can't utilize fructose well.

why? post studies to support what you'ves aid

>> No.16035232

>>16035192
transportation isn't metabolization. those are two completely different processes. in nature, if we were still hunter gatherers, we'd be getting natural fructose from fruit, but our body just doesn't use it effectively. glut5 is super inefficient at what it does, and its meant more to regulate sodium intake and sort of remove dietary fructose. like >>16034877 said, in high amounts fructose just kinda makes you shit because we don't know what to do with it. its too much of a pain for our bodies to use as the liver has to metabolize it. i get you kinda just googled something to disprove what i was saying, but in reality, dietary fructose doesn't have a lot of a purpose for us to use and its just an additive.

>> No.16035250

>>16035232
>but our body just doesn't use it effectively.

weasel words, state what this means from a biochemical perspective.

>> No.16035256

>>16035227
i was going toward nursing simply because i wanted a job, but honestly at this point i'm just learning about the body because its neat. i think if i ever get out of this stage of limbo, i might work towards a doctorate for funsies and just kinda research shit. its more fun to learn about things than it is to apply it onto a patient.
>>16035229
i've said it in other posts. the liver metabolizes it, not our GI tract. its just inefficient for us to use as energy as our liver is not designed to be our primary source of fuel. just to break things down for you, our intestines do almost ALL actual digestion and absorption, not our stomach. the stomach just breaks food/drink/whatever into stuff that our body can use. having our liver do anything other than what its supposed to do, which is essentially just filter things before our body uses them, is an utter and complete waste of time and horribly inefficient for our bodies. if you want to learn more i'd really suggest you google how fructose is metabolized. fructose may be a monosaccharide, but we just aren't designed to use it specifically. fructose, at least how i look at it, is sort of like having a hot girl in a movie. its there to attract animals/us to consume the item, but nothing else really.

>> No.16035277

>>16035250
>biochemical perspective
>literally explained the flaws in it without using notation just so people could grasp it better
fructose is purely just sweet and requires way too much time to convert into something usable in our bodies. our bodies literally CANNOT subsist off of fructose without converting it into glucose/lactate via our liver. i get you want to see the numbers and all the fancy notation, but i'm not going to explain all of that shit when you're clearly just trying to bait me into an argument about what sugar is better. all sugar is equally shit, and if i was god, we'd all be functioning off of purely fats and proteins.

>> No.16035283

>>16035256
>the liver metabolizes it, not our GI tract.

weasel words. fructose is converted to glucose in the liver and ends up back in the bloodstream.

>but our liver shouldn't be metabolizing it!
yeah, our liver shouldn't be doing a function that it carries out, because reasons.

you have no actual argument

>> No.16035289

>>16035277
>it takes too much time
>the liver shouldn't be doing it
>it's bad because I say so

no actual argument. just talking shit.

>> No.16035309

>>16035289
>>16035283
>>16035283
>yeah, our liver shouldn't be doing a function that it carries out, because reasons.
The liver isn't designed to metabolize sugar long term. There's a reason why increased fructose consumption has been linked to liver disease/kidney failure and so on. It may go back into the bloodstream, but the liver was not designed to make energy for our bodies. I get at this point you're trying your hardest to make the guy seem like he's just spouting shit off of the first Google search he's done, but you legitimately do not understand what you're talking about and you're oversimplifying all of your claims. Yes, the liver does play a big role in digestion, but its major purpose is not going through the grueling process of converting fructose to something that our body widely uses. Our bodies have a lot of "failsafe" functions for when we can't get proper nutrition/exercise/etc- see Anaerobic versus Aerobic respiration

>> No.16035313

>>16035309
>The liver isn't designed to metabolize sugar long term.

ah, tell me more about what the liver is "designed to" do

intelligently designed to not carry out the metabolic functions that it does.

you've lost the argument, bye

>> No.16035317

>>16035289
i get you didn't pass any basic biology classes and just think sugar is sugar, but our body sees things differently. you can't force a square peg into a circle hole without sanding down the edges. our body has to do the same shit to make fructose usable. i also wasn't trying to say fructose is inherently bad, its just not wise to subsist off of ONLY fructose.

>> No.16035333

>>16035317
i have a degree in exercise science which includes multiple levels of organic chemistry and such

thanks for playing

>> No.16035345

>>16032579
Really depends. Lowest of the low income no. They don't. I used to work at a mid range grocery store that accepted ebt that had plenty of fresh produce hell even prepackaged ready to cook vegetables but the blacks and Mexicans only bought the most processed foods available despite the fact they could spend that money on good quality food

>> No.16035350

>>16035313
the liver's primary functions, at least speaking in terms of digestion, fall more towards converting excess glucose into glycogen for storage, (emergency fuel,) producing cholesterol/fats, and producing bile which helps break down fat. its non-digestive functions are more related to cleaning/processing our blood, hemoglobin processing, clearing toxins, regulation of blood clotting and so on. don't think that when i say it takes a long time to metabolize fructose to glucose i mean like, days, but in terms of what our bodies need it isn't efficient in the long term. >>16035309
is right about fructose being linked to kidney failure and liver disease as well. its been pretty well documented in obese folk who drink a shitload of soda. they're often poorly hydrated and have an over abundance of fructose in their system being crammed where it shouldn't.

>> No.16035352

>>16035350
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

>> No.16035356

>>16035333
>exercise science
ah got it, so you weren't smart enough to understand greater body functions, but you decided to focus on making muscles big and nothing else. if you really have a degree in anything relating to the human body, you'd understand the risks of purely consuming fructose and using it as a primary source of sugar in the body any why its problematic in the long run.

>> No.16035364

>>16035186
>well the problem is that hfcs is ONLY fructose
It’s fundamentally impossible for hfcs 55/42, respectively consisting of 55% and 42% fructose, to contain ONLY fructose. The remaining percentage is glucose.
Hence saying that if fructose is the problem, then HFCS42 (in everything non-soda) must be healthier than “sugar” as it has less fructose and *more* glucose (both cane and beet sugars have 50/50 of the two).

The real problem is that tards get so wrapped up in the “evil corporate conspiracy” or “lol do Americans really?” aspect that they don’t bother remembering highschool chemistry.
The “hf” in “hfcs” isn’t there because some heartless chemists were paid by global elites to invent a synthetically concentrated weapons-grade “sugar”.
It’s “high fructose” because actual corn syrup in its natural state is literally 100% glucose. Any fructose present had to be created by enzymes.
That’s why corn syrup which literally consists of more glucose than fructose is still “high fructose corn syrup”; any significant presence qualifies as “high fructose” because pure corn syrup doesn’t have any.

>> No.16035366

>>16035364
beat it nerd. no one cares

>> No.16035387

>>16035364
huh, neat. guess i was wrong then. didn't bother to google the concentration of sugars in hfcs. oh well.

>> No.16035403

>>16035356
>Doesn't know what type of curriculum an exercise science degree is

You have no higher education, so of course you act like this in the presence of those who do. This is why you can't make it.

>risks of purely consuming fructose
LOL goalposts moved into another dimension

>> No.16035404

>>16035256
>i think if i ever get out of this stage of limbo, i might work towards a doctorate for funsies and just kinda research shit
If you want to maximize income and funsies, I highly recommend going for NP.
It’s like Murse++.
Jobs and promotions with inflated salaries thrown at you left and right, and you’re basically guaranteed to end up with a cushy executive gig.
>t. On the corporate management side of a major hospital company
Our “Chief Nursing Officer” is literally a murse who got his BSN and actually did his job instead of complaining, and in 10yrs went from clinical rounds to C-tier executive

>> No.16035407

>>16035333
>exercise science
You made me decide to google my local uni's requirements and they don't even have anatomy as a prereq for the degree, just a general biology. Why do you think you're more knowledgeable about the topic than someone who's actually sorta y'know, explaining things a bit more than using the phrase "weasel words," over and over again? Medfaggotry is way different and more specific than over simplified general biology and organic chem.

>> No.16035413

>>16035407
There is no exercise science program that does not include multiple levels of anatomy and physiology.

This isn't an argument or a discussion. You got btfo trying to manufacture controversy by people who know what they're talking about

>Muh local uni
In romania or something? LOL

>> No.16035417

>>16035407
>actually sorta y'know,

You have to go back.

>> No.16035427

>>16035403
>You have no higher education
I'm currently in university though?
>Doesn't know what type of curriculum an exercise science degree is
yeah, i do. its not as focused around the human body as being a medical doctor is. seeing as this type of degree would enable me to be a personal trainer.
>LOL goalposts moved into another dimension
its not about me moving goalposts, you just genuinely are disregarding my argument because you think your associates in biology and organic chem means anything. you haven't once explained why i was wrong which is showing to me that a lot of what you've been trying to deflect is coming from a very loose understanding of things.
>>16035404
i've considered np, but we have so many in my area i'd need to move to actually get work. at the moment, im just enjoying learning about about how the body/cells/etc works. no one ever told me how fucking fascinating microbiology/anatomy is.

>> No.16035433

>>16035387
It’s all good, learning is learning.
Once you filter out the industry propaganda and national shit-flinging, the differences between hfcs and sucrose are physiologically insignificant unless someone is consuming so much that they’d be fucking their health no matter which they were gorging on.

>> No.16035443

>>16035413
>mister associates in making people walk on a treadmill thinks he's replying to the same poster
>he still hasn't corrected either of them
i've really been enjoying watching you three idiots bicker for the past hour. also fuck off with your reddit spacing.

>> No.16035446

>>16035427
You aren't a medical doctor. You aren't even a premed upperclassman.

I didn't disregard your argument as you didn't make one. Your subjective assessment of "it's bad" is not an argument, nor is your attempt to bizarrely refocus the argument on imaginary 100% fructose consumption.

I didn't argue with you because I wrote a thesis on this. As I stated hours ago.

Stop digging. It doesn't get any better from here. Come back when you've passed freshman year of your zoom zoom classes.

By the way exercise science is the premed degree for physical therapy which is a doctoral program. At least I have my "associates" and actually got laid in college unlike you sitting in the basement for what should be one of the experiences of your lifetime. Ouch.

Can't make an argument so attack the superior and actually fully attained education of others. So pathetic and typical of dumb wannabe nerds.

>> No.16035451

>>16035407
>they don't even have anatomy as a prereq for the degree
Not trying to be a dick and outright call bullshit, but a link to the university site would make this much more believable.

>> No.16035457

>>16035451
It's bullshit. Exercise science is a harder degree than pre med which he probably isn't in. Have to take multiple levels of physics and calculus...oh, you also have to take your shirt off in class, which would make him urinate on himself.

>> No.16035461

>>16035446
>says all of that while posting it on 4chan
you do know where we are right? anyone can say and pretend things but you haven't made an attempt to actually explain where im wrong. you've just said im wrong but haven't told me why. at this point im purely curious on why im wrong and i want to see the errors of my perception on fructose.

>> No.16035469

>>16035461
>I have to argue with you because we are on 4chan
You already admitted you didn't even know what hfcs is. Jesus christ kid, you are being an extremely stereotypical child

>> No.16035474

>>16035469
its funny that you keep dodging any attempt to even explain why im wrong and haven't made any attempt to dissuade the naysayers. you'd think youd want to flex that degree, eh?

>> No.16035488

>>16035474
>haven't made any attempt to dissuade the naysayers. you'd think youd want to flex that degree, eh?

First part: adult
Second part: child

No wonder you don't get it. Feel free to spend your life converting those who are wrong.

>> No.16035505

>>16035488
>still dodges it
its funny that my child mind can at least simply basic things about the human body but you can't even correct me without flexing a degree i can't see and a theies i can't read. its almost like you don't know what you're talking about either.

>> No.16036322

>>16035505
>cope and seethe

>> No.16036482

>>16031582

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/01/food-injustice-has-deep-roots-lets-start-with-americas-apple-pie

>> No.16037428

>>16031597
That's my favorite fucking scene

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I've been making a lot of strawberry syrup with cane sugar since I'm in a spot geographically where that isn't an issue. Is simple syrup from cane sugar better, worse, or the same as corn syrup? It's all sugar right, just one more refined than the other?

I made some strawberry soda the other day and that was delicious

>> No.16038117

>>16031590
It's this. It's not like Americans collectively said "we want this shit in our food when cane sugar is an option"

>> No.16038136

>>16037841
What matters is portion control rather than a specific ingredient
Sugar is sugar, even if it's glucose vs fructose its still processed the same

The problem I personally have with corn syrup is the after texture, that and the government seems to have invested in corn without really thinking about what America might actually need, but other than that it's in like 97% of snacks

>> No.16038219

>>16031582
I don't.
>>16031609
Wise anon is wise.

>> No.16038226

>>16032579
They should have a lot of fruit and vegetables very cheap, they are a very warm country mostly. But maybe I'm wrong.

>> No.16038227

>>16033388
How much fucking ketchup are you eating on a daily basis?? Go be a hyperbolic hysterical woman on plebbit.

>> No.16038242

>>16032678
>zoomer detected