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2021, I am forgotten

>> No.16004833

onions

>> No.16004836

>>16004823
2021, OP is still a faggot

>> No.16004905 [DELETED] 

>>16004823
lol it's funny how juul has completely fallen. back a couple years ago juul was the nicotine king in college and everyone had one. now it's completely forgotten

>> No.16004924

>>16004905
free market tends to do that.

>> No.16005901

>>16004924
not even free market. us government told them they couldn't do flavors anymore and that raped them, all the faggots in high school couldn't get enough of the mango flavor

>> No.16005912

>>16004905
because every other vape went the cheaper route, and since kids are prone to losing theirs pretty often, no one wanted to shell out $20 for the device and another $20 for the carts when they could just spend $5 on another brand and get the same shit

>> No.16005943

>>16005901
Mango was ass, the cucumber and mint wasn’t bad. It was really gay looking back on it

>> No.16005952

>>16004924
>free market
>you can only sell 2 flavors when most of the appeal was the funky flavors
personally I liked the tobacco and menthol the best so I could care less even though I don't do it anymore.

>> No.16005966

>>16004924
Yes, I'm sure the government pressuring them had nothing to do with their choice to drop all flavors other than tobacco

>> No.16006013
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16006013

You can quit nicotine easily and painlessly if you read this book

>> No.16006017

>>16006013
this book fucking sucks. typical american self help tripe.

>> No.16006018

>>16006013
But I like nicotine

>> No.16006022

>>16006013
fuck you dad I'm gonna put 6 nicotine patches on and ride the dreamscape

>> No.16006082

>>16006017
>>16006018
>>16006022
Relax, I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying you can if you want. I quit overnight after smoking pretty heavily for 12 years because of that book.
Someone else might be lurking here wishing he could quit, but feels that he might as well give up thinking about it because life without nicotine doesn't seem like it could be worth living anyway. I hope that person will read it, because it will take the weight off his shoulders.

>> No.16006092

>>16006082
Stop thinking uneccessary thoughts

>> No.16006122

>>16006082
What is the core message/idea? I'm not going to read it, ever.

>> No.16006127

>>16006122
the book is literally "stop smoking because it's bad for you" repeated over 200 pages.

>> No.16006153

>>16006122
You don't actually like smoking, you just think you do. When you fully internalize that fact, it doesn't take willpower to quit because you'll lose the desire to smoke.
>>16006127
t. didn't read it

>> No.16006166

>>16006153
Well, this may be news to you but I actually fucking love nicotine. I don't like drinking which I'm also hooked on.

>> No.16006192

>>16004823
Imagine sucking robot cock for your fix

>> No.16006206

>>16006166
I used to think I loved it too, but the book opened my eyes to the fact that it was just an illusion.

Let me just say that I don't expect to change your mind with these posts, no post could've changed my mind about nicotine either. I'm not going to try to reproduce Carr's argument and method here because it would be futile. The only thing I hope to convince you of is that if you read the book you will become a happy nonsmoker.

>> No.16006285

>>16004823
Good.
Vaping is for faggots.

>> No.16006408

I miss my cucumber pods bros...

>> No.16006604

>>16006082
Pussy just quit without buying the book you jew nigger

>> No.16006635

>>16006206
Disagree (for me). It requires you to buy into his brain washing that nicotine doesn't do anything for you and never has. I personally got a quality buzz from the first cigarette of the day, and all cigarettes early when I was smoking.
He tries to do the same thing with drinking. That seems even more wrong. If you can trick yourself into believing his BS it works pretty well. I couldn't.
For me I chose mindfulness and it worked wonders.

>> No.16007339

where'd they go?

>> No.16007616
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16007616

>This is the uh fruity one they have

>> No.16007626

>>16004823
good

>> No.16007792

i still see things called 'puffbars' in fruit flavors for sale
how do they get away with it?

>> No.16007844

>>16006082
Why are you shilling this again? I saw you in another thread just quit yourself. Needing someone to tell you to quit is a sign of poor willpower

>> No.16007860

>>16004823
We need to start putting nicotine into our soft drinks

>> No.16007867

>>16007860
That doesn't sound like a very good idea

>> No.16008169

>>16004823
I actually liked creme brulee

>> No.16008254

>>16004823
I never understood these. Expensive as dick for no good reason. One of the big selling points of vaporizers was that it was cheaper than fags, yet people were happy to overpay for these pod memes. Regulating them seems to have completely killed the fad.

>> No.16008326

>>16007867
studies have shown that 50 mg of caffeine and 2 mg of nicotine raises your metabolism by 10%, we'll market it as the South Beach Diet Soda.

>> No.16008616

>>16008254
Still cheaper than cigarettes here in Washington state. they don't tax them the same for some reason.

>> No.16008707

>>16007860
Tobaccoke

>> No.16008715

>>16007792
If I recall correctly there were never actually laws passed about the flavors, juul just capitulated to saber rattling.

>> No.16008869

>>16008715
Not quite, all pods and cartridges with flavors other than tobacco or menthol are banned. But the puff bar type model isn't technically selling a cartridge.

>> No.16008881

>>16004924
>free market
I don’t even vape and still know it was government regulation. Kys.

>> No.16008901

>>16008254
It was a middle ground of price and convenience. You could still just pop into a gas station to get your fix, but get the equivalent nicotine of a pack of cigarettes for like $2.50. The cheapest cigs in the US are like $4, and in places like New York get to be over $10

>> No.16010032

Oh man when I got kicked out of the place I was living in in 2019 I also started stress vaping, I must have went through a pack of cool cucumbers an mint every week. Now I have my own place by myself and don't smoke anymore. Feels good man.

>> No.16010169

>>16007616
WOAH

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>>16004924
retard

>> No.16011507

Trump is gone, why hasn't Biden reversed the ban?

>> No.16011532

>>16007616
this looks like me in 35 years
wow

>> No.16011563

had to switch to gum because i couldnt get pods any more. tried to order some online but they got confiscated.

>> No.16011644

>>16004823
vaping has literally saved millions of lives from disease. It's the greatest medical achievement in human history

>> No.16011951

I got one of those few years ago but my country limits nicotine concentration to 20mg.
16mg of nicotine salts felt like hot air

>>16011563
why ?

>> No.16012066

>>16005943
you are a tool and should off yourself for sucking on these fogsticks.

>> No.16012332

No one seems to have an answer on whether vape is better for you or not, it just comes down to people arguing about how faggy it is to use them
There are undoubtedly a lot of people who do use them as a cessation tool

>> No.16012383

>>16012332
It's pretty clearly better than smoking, that's not even close. There's no evidence at this point of any serious health problems caused by it, if there were that's what all the anti-vape signs would talk about instead of just saying it's addictive.

>> No.16012492

>>16011532
whoa

>> No.16012495

>>16004823
I used to be a cucumber fan before they had to go and ban everything. Runner up mango

>> No.16013168

>>16004823
do the vapours actually taste like mango?

>> No.16013209

>>16006166
no anon. you only think you like nicotine. you don't actually like nicotine. or whatever.

>> No.16013618

>>16012332
>>16012383
From the last I've heard the vapes cause popcorn lung. The flavouring is diacetl which is what causes the scars on your lungs. It was used in the liquids and stuff, but got banned. In the UK it's banned but I don't know about USA and such, I would imagine they did the same but you never know. The biggest problem with vapes is with it's flavours and nicotine content. Sometimes you don't know how much nicotine you're really ingesting, which causes addiction and your brain to rewire to want nicotine. Flavours like mango or super sherbet watermelon blue blast and shit spund attractive to people because it smells nice, instead of the regular dirty smoker smell. This in turn appeals to kids, because it tastes like sweets and stuff. Things like nicotine can do more harm for kids in the longrun because their brains are still developing compared to an adult. It's supposed to be a replacement to help you quit, like the nicotine patches. Another thing is the social aspect. Smokers will know what I mean, you make friends over having a ciggie or whatever. Because it's not cigarettes it becomes popular with the hip faggy crowd, making it more widespread and giving it one of those attractive looks. Yes there isn't much information about the long term effects, but people need to realise it's going to be similar to regular smoking

>> No.16013649

>>16013618
Forgot to this add on. With cigarettes you know there's a high chance of getting lung diseases and cancer, but with vapes it could be worse. It could be more aggresive cancer, maybe non fatal lung diseases that just fuck your breathing capacity for life etc.
>>16013209
I like smoking, I like the feeling the nicotine gives me. Granted I can go through a 20 pack in 2 to 3 weeks but I still like doing it. It's sort of similar with how some people only smoke while drinking, they might like the taste or the social aspect, or both

>> No.16014380

funny how the govt only went after Juul and never went after the expansive market of nic salt juices. I scrapped the Juul in favor of the Smok Nord, I can refill my own pods and it saves way too much money from Juul.

>>16005943
>Mango was ass
faggot

>> No.16014408

>>16008254
convenience of not having to go outside to smoke, also not smelling like smoke. These 2 factors also make it attractive to kids.

>> No.16014480

>>16014380
Nicotine salts have a stronger hit to it, closer to normal ciggies than liquid is. It's also easier on the throat which makes more pleasant to inhale, which is a big factor in addiction. I don't know why the government didn't go after them but I assume you're american so you would know more about that than me

>> No.16014513

>>16014480
Juul also uses the same 5mg nic salt that you can buy juice bottles of today, but the govt was really fixated on the fact that Juul supposedly marketed to kids. I personally don't think they did directly, and that kids found appeal in the Juul product because of being able to vape in their rooms without their parents finding out. There was no smell, and if their parents found it on their desk they'd just say it was a flash drive and move on. The flavors were an added bonus.

>> No.16015022

>>16013618
Nobody uses the popcorn lung chemical anymore. Again, if they did that's what the anti-vape orgs would be using to scare kids away from them

>> No.16015134

>>16014513
Looked up Juul on wikipedia and it said they had a 72 percent market share at some point. I'm no /biz/nessman but maybe that was part of the whole thing.
Also the wiki said mango was most popular flavour. Also as you said doean't help with how it looks being all sleek like and disguised. I still think it's all bollocks because then at some point people would want a ciggie off a friend if their vape pen has run out
>>16015022
I know yeah but they'll find other things instead to use, you never know about if kids who started vaping because of campaigns but no I have idea

>> No.16015182

>>16013618
I think the popcorn lung thing was a stretch. The people who originally developed it were breathing in that shit daily for like 8+ hours straight for years. It was probably also a powder. I guess there are some pretty heavy vapers out there. I do think it's fair to be cautious none the less.

>> No.16015978

>>16015182
>I think the popcorn lung thing was a stretch
It could be yeah or just overreacting but it was noticed because some workers in a popcorn factory got it from working with the chemical, it's the reason for the name. Yeah it could have been powder which would be worse than vapour
>The people who originally developed it were breathing in that shit daily for like 8+ hours straight for years.
My grandad is 94 and has been a heavy smoker since his 20s. He's got no lung serious lung problems and has no trouble breathing, so some people can smoke heavily without dying. He died though, the bannister he was holding onto broke and he fell down the stairs and hit his head hard

>> No.16016197

I still use mine constantly since Virginia tobaccy was always my go-to anyway.
If you puff on it at a bar there’s a good chance another 30 year old boomer will chat you up. I’ve never bothered trying Vuse or whatever the kids are getting addicted to nowadays

>> No.16016256

>>16005943
i don't mean to come off as cruel or uncaring, but that is an incredibly gay thing you said.
vaping is for gays and underage, period. smoking and dipping is where you start and end.

>> No.16016297

>>16016256
Fuck that, cigs are nice but reeking of shit isn’t worth it. It’s about the nicotine at the end of the day.

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>>16004823
>Don't smoke
>Would really love for smoking to come back as an institution in the States
>Smoking knocks 5-10 years off your life depending on who you ask - so instead of dying at 85 in a nursing home you die from lung cancer at 75.
>Smoking is often a social activity
>Smoking is often a stress release
>Smoking is often a break excuse
>Smoking is often used to regulate weight
>Look forward to JUUL as a new inroads into introducing smoking to the masses
>It disappears

Oh boy, I am sure glad we don't get the option for recreation breaks at work, get put on anti-depressants, and live long enough to lose all quality of life.

>> No.16016488

>>16016197
got a vuse since they stopped selling juul pods where i live since no one bought them.
most of the flavors taste the same, and its cheaper. but its way too bulky. id rather pay more for juul

>> No.16016493

>Juul
Wow
Much food
So cooking
Wow

>> No.16016542

>>16016493
faggot.

>> No.16017017

/ck/

>> No.16017060

>>16016312
take your meds

>> No.16017697

Lmao just stop smoking.

>> No.16018031

>>16005943
>>16005952
>>16006018
>>16008169
>>16008326
>>16010032
>>16011563
>>16012495
>>16014380
>>16014480
>>16016197
>>16016297
>>16016488
you are all fucking faggots for vaping and being addicted to nicotine. ngmi

>> No.16018597

>>16012383
Nobody has been vaping for that long, it hasn't even been around for 20 years yet. 95% of people who vape just started in the past 5-10 years. That's not even long enough to get any noticable effects on the health from smoking cigarettes, so why would you assume vaping is clearly better if we haven't even seen what happens to these people after 40-50 years? Anecdotally speaking, I smoked for over a decade and never had anything wrong with me, not even a cough. But for a short period I switched to juuls and it gave me a horrible cough and shortness of breath. Vape made my lungs feel wet. And it was also way more addictive and easy to take in an obscene amount of nicotine. I had to wake up in the middle of the night to suck on that thing. Man, I'm glad I quit nicotine now.

>> No.16018771

>>16013618
Popcorn lung is a specific problem with specific flavourings, only butter-based flavours (it came from cinema workers using artifical butter flavourings in popcorn). Fruit-only is reasonably safe, as is using menthol flavours. Just stay away from butter/cream/cake flavours and you're fine.

>>16018597
Firstly, your cough was probably due to the psychotic nic levels in Juul pods, and the fact that smoking cigs burns the little hair-like-things in the back of your throat that stop irritants. Literally EVERYONE will get a bit of a cough at first when they switch to vaping if they were already smoking - your body got used to one set of chemicals, and you're breathing in another. That, plus high nic levels (i.e very harsh on your throat) and the high PG level in Juul pods (also harsh, but carries flavour better) means you're in for a bad time, at least temporarily.

The problem with Juul is that it was just peddling psycho high nicotine levels in a tiny, reasonably cheap, and tasty package. The kids got into it because of these factors, except it's insane shit like 50+mg nic, vs say the 3mg I use. Combine that with shop staff who fully believe ''it's better for you!'' and wanting to make profit vs turning customers down, you have a hellscape.

The (((science))) is that it's 95% safer than smoking. If you source your shit from reputable companies (UK best imho, Malaysia is good for liquids too), and don't abuse it, it's a good smoking cessation aid.

If you want to know the science, the UK has done a decent amount of research into this and they're desperately trying to prove it's terrible so them saying ''uh its not THAT bad actually'' is more credible imo.

>> No.16018774

>>16018771
forgot to add, I have 4 years vape industry experience, 2 years management and i've seen the shady shit that goes on. the problem is NOT the vapes just the absurd overcharging. they want to make money, not kill people.

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>>16004823

>> No.16019293

Juuls are for suckers get yourself a uwell caliburn. Cheaper pods that are refillable and no govt cucking so any flavor you want is available since it's just a liquid and not in ready made pods

>> No.16019755

>>16006082
disregard all the hate i read his the nofap version of his book and it instantly makes u realize the core issue
if you want a super basic summary here you go
>you're addicted because you lack something else
>health concerns won't convince you to stop you need to truly understand yourself to see why you do it in the first place

>> No.16019780

I have a smok, used to have a quic pod thing but I prefer just adding my own liquids. Seems a tad cheaper. Cheaper than cigarettes where I live anyway. Prefer cigarettes though.

>> No.16019946

>>16018771
I imagine the fruit flavours only have things like citric acid or whatever the equivalent is, I'm not sure. Menthol should only be that mint chemical, but again my knowledge is spotty. You're right with the nicotine levels, because it isn't a ciggie it can be harder to gauge how much you're having in one go. This is especially bad with children because they wont have alot of experience smoking.
>>16019755
When I changed jobs I didn't have much time to myself in between kids and work, not much time to play a bit of vidya or whatever so I ended up smoking more. Helped me mellow out and it was quicker. After that I had more time, so I slowly changed back from smoking to other things. The trick is to force yourself to do something else.

>> No.16020076

>>16018784
Is this for the marijuana

>> No.16020256

>>16020076
It looks similar to one a friend had. Vaping weed is better than regular smoking, you get a cleaner high because it doesn't burn like a joint does. It can't replicate the feeling of a joint though, it nice to smoke a joint while chilling

>> No.16021629

>>16020076
yes