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15536294 No.15536294 [Reply] [Original]

How is it possible to eat well but get under the UN recommended 2300mg of sodium per day? less than 3% of the global population is able to do this. Some organizations go even further and say that humans should stay below 1500mg of sodium per day. isn't this kinda insane? 1500mg is virtually impossible for a pre industrial diet, let alone a modern one. Americans consume on average 3500-4500mg a day. Chinese and Japanese go as far as 6000-7000 a day. I figure the 1500mg recommendation is one of those "noble lies" health officials often do as a negotiation tactic. Knowing that you won't reach it, but that you'll still cut back on your sodium *somewhat.*

>> No.15536307

>>15536294
>2300mg
There is literally nothing wrong with eating more than that. But anyway, if you don't eat processed shit or bread then it is unironically hard to eat more salt than that even if you salt the hell out of your steak. Trust me, I have measured how much salt a WELL salted steak is. I don't remember the exact number, but the point is if you avoid bread and shit you can salt as much as you like and still be around the recommended limit

>> No.15536309

>>15536294
The recommendation is retarded and wrong. Sodium is necessary for proper brain function and the regulation of bodily fluids between organs. You need lots of it and it will not give you hypertension.

>> No.15536322

>>15536294
Is this why people are salty

>> No.15536326

>>15536307
yeah i guess it really comes to diet a lot then. eating unprocessed meat and steaks is probably one way, but most people can't afford to have high quality beef as their staple food. unfortunately, billions of people are going to rely on bread and rice, and those $1 or $2 frozen meals.

>> No.15536328

>>15536294
Use canned foods to cook with and wash the brine off with a caulander.
Or just eat more plain potatoes and sweet potatoes because taking potassium as a supplement is bad and ineffective, you're meant to get it in particular from foods, and most health conditions associated with moderately high sodium intake can be prevented by keeping your potassium more in line with it

>> No.15536358

>>15536294
It's impossible to eat more than recommended if you make your own food. Meaning the people who eat too much salt have shit diets and lifestyles, this is muh red meat all over again

>> No.15536402

Yes, its actually kinda funny because people who eat reduced sodium foods can end up with severe salt deficiencies. There were even health warnings on my local radio from the government reminding everyone to eat a daily amount of salt because so many people in my area were ending up in the hospital.

>> No.15536419

>>15536402
This. I'm usually good about eating filling meals that fulfill all my minerals, vitamins, and such. Somedays I feel dizzy though and something like salty chips or crackers get me right back to normal. People should be more educated about sodium intake.

>> No.15536422

don't eat eggs, don't eat salt, don't eat butter, don't eat meat
eat this soybean slop patented by Unilever if you want to be healthy

>> No.15536436

>>15536322
Yes.

>> No.15536448

>>15536294
If you are on keto diet you can eat as much salt as you want.

>> No.15536472
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15536472

>>15536294
People take health far too seriously today and sacrifice quality of life for quantity like fucking retards. Who the fuck wants to spend life eating bland food just so you can spend an extra twenty years unable to move without a walker? Just don't be a lard ass and enjoy the one fucking life you get rather than wanting more of the part of life that nobody enjoys.

>> No.15536478

>>15536472
>Who the fuck wants to spend life eating bland food just so you can spend an extra twenty years unable to move without a walker?
No, the goal is to extend your healthspan so you can spend an extra twenty years WITHOUT a walker.

>> No.15536490

>>15536478
Eating less salt doesn't magically prevent joint decay and arthritis retard. DNA is guaranteed to break down in everyone at roughly the same dates. Regardless of how someone lives they're all but guaranteed an encyclopedia of health problems at a late age.

>> No.15536492

>>15536478
>healthspan
That has to be goofiest made up buzzword of the last decade.

>> No.15536516

>>15536472
Yes yes, le die by 30 so you doubt become the people you brainlessly hate, le be enlightened enough not to fear death, anyone who wants to live forever must just be a coward, you're so in tune with the natural order, breathe in that coffee scent and cozy up with your Apple products or whatever, and feel inspired.

The rest of us have plans.

>> No.15536523

>>15536490
Telomeres don't really fuck you in and of themselves until you're like 120, moron

>> No.15536527

>>15536490
>Eating less salt doesn't magically prevent joint decay and arthritis retard.
Correct, in fact eating more salt is better for you as well as limiting carbs and processed foods. Restricting eating windows and occasionally fasting are also shown to improve your biological age markers. Look into longevity research, it's actually some very interesting stuff.

>>15536492
Lifespan is birth to death. Healthspan is birth to when your health begins degrading irreversibly. It's an important distinction because you can increase the length of someone's life without improving their health. What would YOU call it?

>> No.15536534

>>15536523
Yes, that's why literally everyone's body goes into nuclear meltdown at 60.

>> No.15536562

>>15536402
I don't eat reduced salt anything but I stopped eating out or adding salt to my food and I soon realized I was salt deficient so I resumed adding salt. It's not hard to stay low sodium unless you eat salty foods all the time (pizza is my biggest offender).
I don't know why retards like super salty food anyway. Like potato chips for example. They would be so much better if they cut the salt by at least 50%.

>> No.15536578

>>15536326
how fucking daft are you? It doesn't have to be steak. It can be any kind of meat you want you fucking low IQ idiot

>> No.15536584

>>15536562
Literal tastelet. People that prefer salty foods are proven to have more taste buds than average.

>> No.15536601

>>15536534
>literally everyone's body goes into nuclear meltdown at 60
My dad is 66 and he goes for multi-mile runs regularly in addition to walking his dogs for a minimum of 2-3 miles about every other day. He takes turns walking the dogs with my mom who is 60 and still actively working at her job. Neither of them have any health issues whatsoever other than being a little overweight, both of them also do plenty of yard work all the time.

Only people with shit diets and lifestyles have a nuclear meltdown at 60.

>> No.15536636

>>15536422
I LOVE SOI

>> No.15536643

>>15536578
wtf why are you being so rude

>> No.15536647

>>15536601
Your dad will have a massive heart attack in less than 10 years. 50/50 chance he dies screaming.

>> No.15536649

>>15536584
>>15536472
Salt isn't the only spice, brainlets. You have low iq genes and/or high salt tolerance if you like the amount of salt dumped into junk foods.

>> No.15536650

>>15536294
using real salt instead of msg helps, nacl has way more power on the taste. msg just makes you more hungry

>> No.15536652

>>15536649
>t. Tastelet

>> No.15536653

osmoregulation is fascinating. i think people also drink far too much water and piss out all their electrolytes. like you don't need a gallon of water if you're sedentary.

>> No.15536654

>>15536643
Because you I gave you great information and then you act so incredible stupid about it. It is you that's being rude

>> No.15536671

>>15536652
Obviously baiting, but you are unironically the tastelet if you dump salt on everything.

>> No.15536681

>>15536653
I sweat a lot so I'm chronically dehydrated regardless and don't care anymore.

>> No.15536693

>>15536654
ok i apologize. will you accept my apology if i promise to be better?

>> No.15536694

>>15536647
Keep coping and trusting the "experts." Ever notice how every time there's an article about a healthy and vibrant centenarian the description of their diet is always the opposite of what most people do, and often opposite the recommendations of the modern health industry? And in those articles, they always say things like, "He/She must have just won the genetic lottery! They're doing everything wrong but still healthy at age 100/105/110! Don't follow their example, by the way, keep following the recommendations!!!" Ever think that maybe these people are actually doing something right and the establishment just can't fucking admit it?

>> No.15536710

>>15536671
Literal tastelet. Supertasters always have more taste buds and prefer salty food because salt enhances every other flavor.
https://recipes.howstuffworks.com/sweet-or-salty-food-preferences.htm

>> No.15536757

>>15536693
Yeah I accept your apology. I like that you want to be better

>> No.15536770

>>15536294
Just fucking work out. You'll sweat out the salt. AND OPEN THE FUCKING SAUNAS YOU GOD DAMNED COMMUNISTS. LET THE WEAK AND THE FAT DIE OFF ALREADY. MY 89 YEAR OLD GRANDMOTHER BEAT COVID IN 3 DAYS. LET THE GENELETS DIE ALREADY I WANT TO SAUNA

>> No.15536776

>>15536710
Shouldn't it be the other way around? That supertasters are already hypersensitive to flavors and should dislike salt enhancing that further?

>> No.15536790

>>15536770
>MY 89 YEAR OLD GRANDMOTHER BEAT COVID IN 3 DAYS.
Yeah, all my parents' old friends (60-70+) have gotten it and recovered without incident and no lasting effects. No one even reacts to it any more, when someone close to anyone in my family gets covid we all just go, "Okay, get well soon" and they do in under a week.

>> No.15536804

>>15536776
Why would you dislike flavors being enhanced? That makes no sense. They're not eating shit sandwiches. Who wouldn't want beef to taste beefier?

>> No.15536815

>>15536804
Sensory overload, too much of a good thing, etc.

>> No.15536863

>>15536472
This. Just enjoy your food, eat what you want but don't overdo it. That's it.. I've lost count of the number of people growing up who were health freaks being deathly afraid red meat, salt, fat, etc yet all died a drooling retard in a wheelchair at 90. Good job in extending your life 20 years I guess, too bad the last 15 were miserable.

>> No.15536912

>>15536863
>I've lost count of the number of people growing up who were health freaks being deathly afraid red meat, salt, fat, etc yet all died a drooling retard in a wheelchair at 90
That's because the red meat, salt, fat, etc IS WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU and that's what they're avoiding. The modern concept of "healthy" food is FUCKED.

>> No.15536914

>>15536294
unless you're a fat fuck with high blood pressure there's literally no reason to be scared of salt

>> No.15536957

>>15536534
That's because of organ damage, hormonal changes and gland underperformance you fucking dumbass

>> No.15537028

>>15536601
>I have anecdotes of my loved ones!

>> No.15537046

>>15537028
He's replying to a guy who thinks telomere degradation is why people go into nursing homes at 60, and he's the one you're annoyed with?

>> No.15537065

>>15536294
>salt bad
Nope.

>> No.15537084

>>15537028
Yes, sweeping generalizations that start with "LITERALLY EVERYONE" can be disproven with anecdotes because if even 1 person breaks the trend then it can't be true that it happens to literally everyone. Anecdotes are only fallacious if you're trying to prove that something is statistically likely, but I was only proving that not literally everyone's body falls apart at age 60 and that anecdote is sufficient to do so. Stop getting so hung up on some prescribed list of fallacies and actually learn what they are, why they exist, and how they work.

>> No.15537364

>people still think salt and sodium are the same thing
Just switching from table salt to sea salt will cut your sodium intake by a third, or more.

>> No.15537460

>>15537364
You can blame the EU for perpetuating that nonsense. EU nutrition labeling guidelines require that you take the sodium content of a food, double it, then label it "Salt" instead of "sodium." Their logic is this:
>salt = sodium chloride (NaCl)
>sodium chloride (NaCl) = 50% sodium 50% chloride per molecule
>people cannot be trusted to figure out what sodium is
>people are familiar with what salt is
>therefore all sodium measurements must be converted to "salt" measurements by doubling it even if there is no actual chloride content present in the food
So literally in the EU they do not discuss sodium intake recommendations, they only discuss "salt" intake recommendations and their labels do not say sodium anywhere, they only say "salt."

>> No.15537959

>>15536710
Supertasters are not a real thing and the word was never meant to mean what you think it means. The person who coined the word later said she regretted it because it's been wildly misinterpreted and the data has since changed.

>> No.15538023

>>15536294
Salt isn't bad for you. The health authorities are completely wrong here

>> No.15538116

>>15536523
If that were true we would see more than 1 verified 120 year old person, most people have telomere loss to the point of chromosome malfunction/loss of function in their mid 90's

>> No.15538413

>>15538116
You do not understand what you are talking about

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15538435

>>15536472
>>15536490
>>15536492
t. 300lb zoomers who don't understand what it's like to live with the chronic health conditions they will inevitably reap
Eating slightly fewer Big Macs and ''''family'''''''' size bags of chips per week is an easy sacrifice for many more years of good health. "Quality of life" as determined by indulgence vs. good health isn't even a choice one has to make if they know how to cook and/or aren't addicted to food.

>> No.15538447
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15538447

>>15537959
>Supertasters are not a real thing

>> No.15538460

>>15538435
I already have a poor quality of life but it's so hard to stop eating because it's one of the few comforts I have in my life.

>> No.15538470

>>15536422
You should be more concerned with your schizophrenia medication than with soy or meat.

>> No.15538472

>>15537959
I'm so sorry you lack tastebuds. Tastelet. Go eat a sweet to compensate.

>> No.15538485

>>15536527
>carbs BAD
What long-lived population has a diet low in carbohydrates?

>> No.15538512

>>15538460
Do you have access to healthcare? I would really recommend seeing a good CBT therapist and psychiatrist if you can, or at least seeing a psychiatrist that can prescribe you amphetamines so you'll stop overeating. I have an incredibly fucked up spine for non weight-related reasons, and when it's acting up it is pure agony to be alive. You don't want to end up with issues with your joints, kidneys, etc., trust me. For however shitty your life may be, it can get MUCH worse.

>> No.15538516

>>15538485
>reducing carbs = CARBS BAD
Fuck off and learn some nuance. You have to be 18 or older to post here.

>> No.15538535

>>15536309
look at this lad he's smarter than all the doctors

>> No.15538547

>>15538512
no and I'm being sued for 200k worth of hospital bills. might be forced to lose weight because of a lack of food by the end of it

>> No.15538552

>>15538535
You do know you can reduce carbs without going keto or carnivore, right? Overeating carbs is bad, the modern western diet has way too much and even doctors recognize this.

>> No.15538571

>>15538547
Jesus Christ, that's horrific. I'm sorry you're going through that, anon.

>> No.15538578

>>15538571
appreciate it friend. hoping thanks work out okay.

>> No.15538581

>>15538552
Japanese diet is proportionally more carb-heavy than American diet

>> No.15538582

>>15536294
why does libleft want to ban all foods that aren't gross?

>> No.15538592

>>15538547
>he fell for the hospital bill scam
Lmao, default, send it to collections, pay it for pennies on the dollar.

>> No.15538595

>>15538581
But a lot less processed carbs and a lot less sugar which, again, even current doctors all agree are bad for you.

>> No.15538606

>>15538592
the collections are who's suing me

>> No.15538635

>>15536294
This is easy to accomplish if you eat enough Haitian mud cookies.

>> No.15538666

>>15538413
Yeah, actually I do

>> No.15538674

>>15538606
Time to look into declaring bankruptcy.

>> No.15538721

>>15538606
If it's gone to collections fight it. 99.9% of the time collections simply buys the debt not any relevant paperwork. They'll show up to court with nothing you've signed proving you owe the debt. I'm not even memeing, why do you think they bully people so often to get them to make payments if they could just sue you and collect with the assistance of the state. Because they know damn well if you call their bluff the debt is forgiven.

>> No.15538770

>>15536307
>thread about salt
>ketard thinks it's time to schizopost about bread again
An entire goddamn loaf of sliced whole wheat bread(~20 servings) still only has like 3500mg sodium. People aren't eating entire loaves of bread to get those sodium numbers...

>> No.15538792

>>15538470
You should be concerned with glowing in the fucking dark. Do you never get out of the house? "experts" push a new health scare or fad food every week and have the ENTIRE TIME I have been alive on this planet. You are denying reality while calling people schizos, retard.

>> No.15538869

You need salt to live, so of course the UN is pushing you to eat less of it to ultimately harm your health. When fasting, good to have several pinches of salt over the course of the day.

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15539007

>>15538578
I'm wishing the best for you too, and life can get better even when it doesn't seem like there's a way out of the shitpit you're in.

>> No.15539171

>>15536294
What do jews have against salt now?

>> No.15540789

>>15538635
Was this supposed to be funny?