/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.15309335]

Wait are there actually people that believe eating vegetables is unhealthy?

[Anonymous No.15309341]

>>15309335
they contain anteenootrients

[Anonymous No.15309346]

>>15309335
You have teeth explicitly designed to tear meat. Go ahead and deny biology by chopping off your genitals though.

[Anonymous No.15309353]

>>15309335
Believe? no they know it is unhealthy.

[Anonymous No.15309360]

>>15309346
We also have teeth explicitly designed for crushing plants... it's almost like the omnivorous diet we've been on forever has been working for us or something.

[Anonymous No.15309377]

>>15309335
Yep. Eventually they get filed under Darwinism with the gluten-free vegans, the "Grains are poisoning our children," crowd, the easily misled "Nobody needs carbohydrates," fatties, and the "We didn't evolve to drink milk" people (who at least are right sometimes).

[Anonymous No.15309383]

>>15309341
But that's what cooking is for. The whole purpose of stews and soups is to catch any nutrients lost through cooking.

[Anonymous No.15309434]

>>15309360
Don't even humor retards like him. Veganism and other extreme diets are for the mentally ill because it caters to their extreme nature. Just let them be retards.

[Anonymous No.15309479]

>>15309434
Not until we have a plan to dispose of the bodies

[Anonymous No.15309491]

>>15309335
>that hairline
yike

[Anonymous No.15309824]

>>15309335
No. It's people who feel personally attacked by the existence of vegans, so they decide to go full carnivore out of spite.
They don't actually "believe" anything.

[Anonymous No.15309834]

they're the counter response to the vegatarians/vegans.
Ignore both sides.

[Anonymous No.15309848]

>>15309335
i think some vegetables do have essential nutrients for humans to survive and carbs and starch does help us to digest food better. but eating it to such an extent that many people promote can quickly become unhealthy. humans require a balanced diet.

[Anonymous No.15309855]

>>15309848
It's not exactly required. Scurvy is rarely fatal.

[Anonymous No.15309858]

>>15309848
>>15309855
oh and also humans evolved to eat fish and crustaceans. pesco-vegetarian diet is the only true natural diet.

[Anonymous No.15309860]

>>15309848
>humans require a balanced diet
no, humans require certain nutrients. your body doesn't care if you get those nutrients from eating one thing or from eating many things as long as it's getting them.

[Anonymous No.15309872]

>>15309860
you cant get vitamins from plants, retard. only meat

give one person beef thrle other broxcoli see who live longer...

[Anonymous No.15309916]

>>15309872
excuse me? when the fuck did i say that you can get vitamins from plants? do you have no reading comprehension?

[Anonymous No.15309918]

There's a bunch of ideas floating around. We obv eat a number of pretty much poisonous plants that we do a lot of processing to, so its not a big leap to declare they're all detrimental. Meat is on the other side of this, with basically no antinutrients so some gravitate that way. Carnivore is a good way to start an elimination diet if you want to check what gives you allergic reactions.

The truth however is that we always lived with some anti nutrients in our food and incorporated them into our own biology.

>>15309383

You cook a bunch of useful shit off as well, a lot of times its better to eat vegs raw. And things like gluten will still be there after. Best thing to do is to avoid the unhealthy plant foods. Basic idea behind paleo diets.

[bruce3434 fan !STALLMANtk No.15309919]

For me, it's eat both meat and veg.
I also eat chemical

[Anonymous No.15309927]

>>15309919
>I also eat chemical
we can tell

[Anonymous No.15309935]

>>15309479

[Anonymous No.15310024]

>>15309872
>>15309916
You get vitamin C from plants. Without vitamin C the Krebs cycle does not function and you die. Read a book.

[Anonymous No.15310050]

>>15310024

you get precursor to C from plants and the conversion is very poor

you get actual C from raw meat. What book did you read, exactly?

[Anonymous No.15310053]

>>15309335
Anybody who eats raw meat is inevitably evolutionarily filtered. The only shit humans actually need from meat we get much more of when its cooked.

[Anonymous No.15310057]

>>15309848
Humans evolved to subsist on seafood and coastal plants. Red meat is probably the least healthy meat we can eat.

[Anonymous No.15310058]

>>15310053

Can you even name the meat vitamins off the top of your head? You read the same book as >>15310024 ?

[Anonymous No.15310062]

>>15309918
Vegetables are the last fucking thing you should be eating raw. Even the inuit cook their vegetables and their diet is 90% raw seal.

[Anonymous No.15310073]

>>15310062

inuits eat a bunch of weird horseshit to adapt to their extreme biome, you want that to be the plant food model?

[Anonymous No.15310083]

>>15310058
You don't eat meat for the vitamins you cock, you eat it for the fat, protein, and minerals, all of which are more easily digested after cooking. You get vitamins from fruits and vegetables, with the cellulose in most veges (and by extension the nutrients within it) being completely undigestable when eaten raw. What does it matter if cooking degrades 50% of a vitamin if it makes it 80% more bioavailable?

[Anonymous No.15310085]

>>15310050
Any book on biology. You can't get enough C from animal products. I think liver and fish eggs might give you enough to survive but you won't be healthy. The Inuit are biological anomalies and even they eat berries, grasses, and seaweed gathered in season.

>>15310058
D and B12 are the main ones but there's other nutrients.

[Anonymous No.15310095]

>>15310073
Anon if every single group of people on earth cooks their veges, from the fucking inuit to uncontacted tribes in india, maybe it might be working. Plant cells are coated in this stuff called cellulose that humans can't digest, which means the extra nutrients won't mean shit if you're crapping out the plant cells like microscopic corn. Cows need 3 stomachs to break down cellulose, humans just use fire. When you grow 3 stomachs, I'll stop considering you a retard for thinking raw vegetables are more nutritious.

[Anonymous No.15310096]

>>15310083

>You don't eat meat for the vitamins you cock

No no, YOU don't eat it for vitamins.By the sound of it you eat it for the breading and sodium.

>You get vitamins from fruits and vegetables,

You don't get most meat vitamins from any plant.

>>15310085

>Any book on biology. You can't get enough C from animal products.

Unless they're raw. And especially if you don't eat a carb based diet, when your C requirements go down.

[Anonymous No.15310100]

>>15309377
don't carbs literally make you fat?

[Anonymous No.15310113]

>>15310096
>meat vitamins
I did some looking into this, and of all that I found, the only one that is of any concern is niacin, which is still only lost if you discard the cooking runoff. All other nutrients are either 100% heat resistant, produced naturally by the body, or found in non-meat foodd.

[Anonymous No.15310123]

>>15309491
I was more concerned with chowing down on a chunk of raw meat but yes. Yikes.

[Anonymous No.15310130]

>>15310095
>Anon if every single group of people on earth cooks their veges, from the fucking inuit to uncontacted tribes in india, maybe it might be working.

They don't. Bushmen eat raw roots and tubers and they're the closest to how ancestral humans lived off the land. Vegetables are cooked alongside grains and beans which are inedible w/o processing. That does not mean all vegetables should be cooked.

You're tunnel visioning on muh efficiency and not realizing that doesn't matter one bit. We don't use vast majority of fibrous plant calories with or without cooking. The bacteria eat most of it. We ought to eat them because we ate some analogue of them in the past and are adapted to them, not because of their energetic value. That civilization learns to squeeze every last calorie out of an acre so all the peasants, craftsmen and soldiers can go about their business has no bearing on that, the focus is individual health. And if you need sulfurophane or something akin to it to be healthy then you are fucking up when you boil it off.

Man, I wish I was on /sci/, I feel like I fell into a badly constructed ball pit and have to explain economy to surrounding 5 year olds to pass the time before firemen pull me out. Fuck this thread.

[Anonymous No.15310131]

>>15310113

like C?

[Anonymous No.15310145]

>>15310131
If you want to eat raw liver instead of a fucking orange be my guest, but don't come bifching to me if you end up parasites. Thats another fun aspect to cooking that people forget about; it cleans the meat.

[Anonymous No.15310149]

>>15310130
>Man, I wish I was on /sci/
you're entertaining me lurking thanks anon
so if eating raw plants is good for sulforophane which boils off when cooked
is there a benefit to raw meat? i'm guessing the vit c that would also be heat murdered but you don't need that if you get your raw veggies

[Anonymous No.15310151]

>>15309335
Look at the hairlet

[Anonymous No.15310160]

>>15310130
>bushmen
Anon they're barely people; even pre-human early hominids cooked their food.

[Anonymous No.15310285]

>>15309848
define "balanced diet"

[Anonymous No.15310311]

>>15310285

[Anonymous No.15310327]

>>15310130
>Man, I wish I was on /sci/
go back then with all the other pseuds

[Anonymous No.15310422]

Why not eat a little bit of everything?

[Anonymous No.15310452]

>>15310100
Food makes you fatter, that is why we eat

[Anonymous No.15310455]

>>15310100
>>15310100
Exfatty here everything in excess makes you fat but the real reason carbs make you fat is because they don't really fill you up in the same way fatty meat and vegetables do.
I can eat 2000 calories of white rice but I will be hungry less than a hour later if it didn't have any eggs/meat and vegetables with it.

Want to lose weight start eating eggs vegetables and meat with only a small portion of carbs.

[Anonymous No.15310592]

Oh it's this thread again. This debate will be eternal since people on /Ck/ are stupider than /pol/ and rarely if ever touch scholarly articles, and even if they do they don't know how to differentiate between good science and bad science. Veganfags are stupid, raw meat fags are stupid. No you aren't Inuits and you don't have regular access to a variety of raw frozen aquatic mammals, fish, and wild game stop the larp.

[Anonymous No.15310599]

>>15310085
>Any book on biology. You can't get enough C from animal products.
You can, just not from supermarket steaks. Biology books don't cover everything in the world. You need to look at Specialized research papers.

[Anonymous No.15310600]

>>15310455
>Want to lose weight start eating eggs vegetables and meat with only a small portion of carbs
Thanks ex-fatty. What about cookies? Where's my cake?

[Anonymous No.15310607]

>>15309860
The only correct post in this thread.

[Anonymous No.15310621]

>>15310599
I'll take that. But no system is immune to chaos and nutrition is fraught with variables. Gut bacteria alone is totally opaque without extensive examination. None of us have a clean system and postulating an ideal diet hinges on the precept of a flawless machine.

[Anonymous No.15310623]

>>15310600
I still eat cookies and cake and drink beers.
Main thing is cut most of the snacks down and learn about how much calories are in the food you like then just make a educated guess on how much your eating once you know.
I normally eat breakfast and lunch only but they are big meals and maybe some snacks to 5-6 days a week.
Eat cake every day and you get real fat real fast.

[Anonymous No.15310635]

>>15309335
>tfw too intelligent to eat vegetables

[Anonymous No.15310648]

>>15310623
It's the goddamn RitterSports, anon

[Anonymous No.15310689]

>>15310621
>None of us have a clean system and postulating an ideal diet hinges on the precept of a flawless machine.
Correct. People who promote fad diets as being universally the best for every human body is retarded.

[Anonymous No.15310723]

inuits ate fermented meat when they could (possibly also fermented fish) to maintain gut flora. mongolians had (and still do) a lot of fermented dairy and some carbs from it to maintain flora.
carnivore is useful short term to help someone with severe intestinal permeability or UC but you only risk partly sterilizing your microbiome going long term. Its what helps to keep the immune system reacting approptiately. It's a miserable time to react badly to any little trace of food that isnt pure meat and salt. Most are not going to have access to high quality fermented dairy (non pasteurized) or want to eat rotted meat.

[Anonymous No.15310769]

>>15309335
I'm sensitive to oxalates and prone to kidney stones. Most vegetables and fruits are a risk for me.

[Anonymous No.15310848]

>>15310100
Excess glucose makes you fat. Glucose deficiency eventually makes you dead. If you're fat, you lean toward deficiency until you find a happy medium where you can enjoy the occasional french fry. If you keep leaning toward glucose deficiency (through your hypothalamus and eventually the rest of your brain screaming "FEED ME") eventually you will run too low on fat cells to continue. You need some fat - a bit oversimplified, but your brain's basically a lump of it with some fancy wiring sitting in a skull-shaped tub of gross gatorade, and your body will eat that to survive if it has to.

[Anonymous No.15310861]

>>15310769
That's shitty... but rare. Congrats!

[Anonymous No.15310868]

>>15310648
Figure out what your daily intake to lose weight and then eat them every day and the rest can just be healthy filling food.
I quit drinking 2L of coke a day and lost 15kg over a year then saw I could lose weight and looked up how much calories and in food and nutrition and got all autistic about weighting food for a mouth and gave up and just guess everything and lost 10kg over the next year.

[Anonymous No.15310977]

sv3rig3 is an absolute legend

[Anonymous No.15312002]

>>15310769
Same but with black tea

[Anonymous No.15312016]

>>15309335
It’s doing wonders for his hairline...

[Anonymous No.15312036]

>>15309346
No we don't, you stupid mongoloid

[Anonymous No.15312055]

>>15310130
It's never worth arguing with a carnivore diet retard. They believe their books on nutrition and biology written by chiropractors or joe rogan fans.

[Anonymous No.15312064]

>>15310130
God what a whiny pathetic faggot, go to reddit

[Anonymous No.15312085]

should tell you about the mental stability of this guy that before eating raw meat he was vegan and into sungazing before being hospitalized

[Anonymous No.15313870]

>>15310057
Proto-homids, yes, but by the time we were homo sapiens, we were endurance hunters who mostly tracked medium-to-large game and almost exclusively used their fat for sustenance.

[Anonymous No.15314114]

If the guy can eat raw bloody meat and not die then more power to him. He's obviously on a higher level.

[Anonymous No.15314163]

>>15310769
take oxalobacter supps

[Anonymous No.15314242]

>>15309360
Correct. Thing also to remember is that even carnivores also occasionally eat plants, and herbivores also occasionally eat meat. Even within the animal kingdom, the idea of an animals subsisting off these extreme meat only or plant only diets is unheard of in nature. Wolves and lions also eat grass, berries, nuts, acorns, and so on, while rabbits and deer with opportunistically feast off carrion. There's really any vegans, vegetarians, or meatarians in nature.

[Anonymous No.15314256]

Eat pounds of veggies or a 4oz serving of beef liver to get the same nutrients. Tell me what the point of vegetables is?

[Anonymous No.15315061]

>>15314242

[Anonymous No.15315383]

>>15309335
dunno about unhealthy but for me, plants trigger massive inflammations causing an avalanche of illness such as onset of arthritis

[Anonymous No.15315585]

>>15310130
Cope you got got faggle

[Anonymous No.15317042]

>>15309341
Imagine looking at this and not thinking this man is mentally retarded

[Anonymous No.15317264]

>>15314242
Yeah, that must be why I always choose to bait my deer stand with rotting meat instead of corn, lmao!

[Anonymous No.15317282]

I hear this a lot from around Russia, it's their version of our keto fad I think

[Anonymous No.15317300]

>>15309335
in america yes, your vegetables are so full of pesticideas and chemicals that no matter how much you wash them the poison is already inside of it, it'll be healthier to eat roadkill directly from the street.