>I deserve $15 an hour.

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Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:05:33 2020 No.14979537 [DELETED]

>I deserve $15 an hour.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:10:05 2020 No.14979550 good for you for thinking that

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:21:12 2020 No.14979583 >using pleb filters

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:22:15 2020 No.14979589 >>14979550 ikr? Imagine if fast food workers got paid enough to afford rent AND luxuries like food. People would actually try to do a good job knowing society values their work enough to eat and sleep. College kids could pay for college even. Woweee!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:24:22 2020 No.14979599 >>14979589 Society doesn't pay there wages. The average McDonald's consoomer(basketball Americans) will also not buy that shit when all the prices are jacked up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:25:14 2020 No.14979606 >>14979589 >80 iq teenager or current/ex junkie thats going to fuck up your food no matter what >JUST PAY THEM MORE kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:26:01 2020 No.14979611 >>14979599 It's almost like people having money to buy things would pay for buying things! Mind Blown.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:27:43 2020 No.14979615 >>14979611 Most people do have money to buy things. If mcdolan employees want more money they can always strike, it is a huge multinational afterall

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:30:28 2020 No.14979622 >>14979589 Low-income housing exists, so do food stamps.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:30:57 2020 No.14979624 >>14979615 Imagine the fattie rage on this board if there ever was a fast food workers strike. lmao.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:33:17 2020 No.14979632 >>14979624 I personally would prefer my toxic mcslop served to me by cute robot hostess at cheaper prices. But while they take time installing them things might get alittle dicey around these parts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:33:18 2020 No.14979633 >>14979624 >expecting organization and collective effort from people who literally cannot use a coffee filter or use a spatula

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:35:02 2020 No.14979637 >>14979633 They wuz good boys.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:35:22 2020 No.14979639 >>14979622 NOOOO we can't let them encourage people to contribute to society by raising min wage!! We must instead give them our taxes to subsidize wealthy corporations and slumlords and tell them they're bad people forever!

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:35:47 2020 No.14979640

>>14979537
Local basketball Americans at the McDs get paid 10.50 an hour, which is enough to afford all the basic things like an apartment, a car, food, and even the occasional oince of weed. Sure, you can mandate 15 dollar wages, but then 50% or more of them will get fired or lose significant hours to make up for the higher cost of labor. Companies don't magically have more money to pay wages, they simply reallocate what they have.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:37:20 2020 No.14979644 File: 46 KB, 510x378, 160728-124210259389543-Sajal_origin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14979639 Gibs me 15 dollar for clown burger.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:37:23 2020 No.14979645 >>14979640 >*reallocation of profits to fat old rich guys that is

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:38:34 2020 No.14979647 >>14979644 Gibs 1% 3T dollars pls thx

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:40:02 2020 No.14979655 >>14979639 What would a fast food worker put back into the economy making $15/hr? Are they gonna invest $1 into stocks a month?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:40:30 2020 No.14979657 >>14979644 Why did Nixon get rid of the gold standard?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:41:44 2020 No.14979663 Just fuckin do the $15 wage already. I'm fuckin bored. If it doesn't work, hopefully it'll burn the whole thing down. Money's fake anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:42:36 2020 No.14979664 >>14979655 They are going to buy things they need and they are going to go to college. Dur? How are stocks going to do rat shit for the economy? Really.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:42:48 2020 No.14979665 >>14979645 Doing things like creating insecurity through legislation only exacerbates this problem. If there's more risk, the business will err on the side of screwing the worker in favor of the owner.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:43:21 2020 No.14979667 >>14979622 Shoot yourself in the head you communist fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:43:28 2020 No.14979669 >>14979655 Rent? Car payments? Food? Insurance? I don't have a big opinion on the minimum wage but how out of touch are you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:43:58 2020 No.14979671 >>14979647 No you have the Coronavirus so you best stay inside and wear a mask.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:45:03 2020 No.14979676 >>14979639 15$ an hour for minimum wage would lead to more job loss for employees. To pay the employees that remain, businesses would increase the cost of items you buy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:45:06 2020 No.14979678 >>14979663 Exactly. Who are these fucking retards who still think of money like that? It's all based on faith in the civilization, and that faith is rapidly diminishing. It's a win-win no matter where you stand.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:47:11 2020 No.14979681 >>14979657 War and jews. Look back at the the creation of the FED and the one alphabet agency that gives funds to the gl0weez, forgot its name maybe some anon can help out. Also 3trillion lmao more like 600trillion. Look it up

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:48:11 2020 No.14979685 >>14979537 Stupid troll.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:48:54 2020 No.14979686 >>14979685 It's fun tho.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:49:05 2020 No.14979687 >>149798 >the USD is based on plebs faith in civilization.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:49:51 2020 No.14979689 >>14979599 Then don't jack the prices up. These big wig silver spoon executive motherfuckers should take a pay cut.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:52:12 2020 No.14979693 >>14979681 The $3T I was referring to was the Corona Virus™ Gibs bonanza for a very small number of extremely rich people. Thanks Congress!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:53:15 2020 No.14979696 >>14979689 The bigwig Silver Spoon executive motherfuckers are the ones that make the rules.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:54:15 2020 No.14979701 >>14979696 Thx to Congress®

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:56:16 2020 No.14979708 >>14979701 Thanks to their the ones that own the businesses and actually create the jobs. You don't like it? Make your own business.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:58:15 2020 No.14979711

>>14979689
what these retard neoliberals don't want you to know is that a $15 minimum wage won't jack prices up.

In economics, there's the concept of binding and non-binding price ceilings/floors.
A minimum wage is an example of a price floor - "you cannot buy/sell below this price". When a price floor is set below market equilibrium, it is "non-binding". This means any rise in the price floor will not have any effect whatsoever on the market.
A price floor will continue to be nonbinding until it exceeds the equilibrium price, at which point you WILL start seeing a shitload of consequences.
For example, let's say a gallon of milk costs $3. The government imposes a price floor of $1 - "you can't sell for below $3". That price floor ain't gonna do jack shit because it's already selling significantly above that. However, if the price floor is set to say $5, you're gonna see a massive drop in demand since it's a full $2 above the equilibrium price.

Same thing goes for the minimum wage. The inflation-adjusted minimum wage is roughly $15. Currently, the actual federal minimum wage is $7.25. This is a non-binding price floor. This means we can raise the minimum wage to anything between $7.25 and $15 and literally .xXFuck All!Xx. would happen besides a significant rise in living standards for people around the country.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:59:17 2020 No.14979716 >>14979708 I did. It's awesome. But what's not awesome is that I don't get to not pay taxes nor sponsor acts of congress.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 08:59:18 2020 No.14979715 >>14979711 >The government imposes a price floor of $1 - "you can't sell for below $3". that should be "you can't sell for below $1"

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 09:01:24 2020 No.14979720 >>14979711 >.xXFuck All!Xx. would happen besides reducing the tax burden on the middle class

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 09:03:55 2020 No.14979724 >>14979696 I know they won't, but they should.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 10:25:43 2020 No.14979939 >>14979708 The bigwig silver spoon executives go out of their way to increase the difficulty of starting and maintaining a small business, often using their vast lopsided resources to drive them out, and then call it "healthy capitalism"

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 10:29:40 2020 No.14979953 >>14979537 Robots will be replacing these workers soon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 10:56:59 2020 No.14980041 >>14979537 Dios mio

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:06:28 2020 No.14980074

>>14979655
That's an extra (assuming 40 hour job) 180 dollars a month from $10.5. Those extra dollars can be saved up, for instance, and that's an extra $2000 a year. That money will be fueled back into the economy increasing demand for all sorts of stuff, which means supply must catch up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:08:24 2020 No.14980079 >>14979676 By all accounts, what you're describing is plain old fiction. Increases in minimum wage have not led to the mass firings you'd expect.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:14:16 2020 No.14980104

>>14979599
Jacking up the prices by just $0.10 will pay for the $15 wages

Capitalists make their money by creating artificial shortages in supply
Somehow it's justifiable for CEOs to make billions yearly because they are good at business, but not justifiable for the people actually selling the food to make a liveable wage, even though they are the ones actually conducting business

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:16:13 2020 No.14980112 Its always fun to see media people who live in Brooklyn talking about what a "living wage" is, not realizing how incredibly atypical and expensive their chosen lifestyle is

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:17:14 2020 No.14980115

>>14979953
No, robots won't be replacing fast food workers because they mainly use customer service skills to help customers
Robots can still get orders wrong or function improperly, customers can still be upset at robots, but customers will stop eating at mcdonalds if they can't scream and ask for a manager when then hashbrowns they didn't order aren't in the bag

Robots WILL be replacing farmers, miners, loggers, all of the "tough boy" jobs that have already seen massive spikes in unemployment due to increases in technology
Why do you think coal mining towns are struggling?
It's not because we don't use coal, it's because it takes 10 people to mine a mountain when it used to take thousands

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:17:41 2020 No.14980116

>>14980104
>Capitalists make their money by creating artificial shortages in supply
no, sometimes there are marketing tactics around this on very high end goods, but this is not in general how capitalists make money. Capitalists make money by innovating and delivering something people want cheaper and/or better than others

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:18:35 2020 No.14980120 >>14980079 You haven't seen the automated ordering computers that they put in place earlier in the year at mcdonald's? they are cheaper than paying a fast food worker minimum wage.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:20:51 2020 No.14980128 >>14980079 its not "mass firings" its slow and steady reduction in the work force as minimum wage outpaces low end people's skills

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:21:55 2020 No.14980131

>>14980104
Before anyone responds to this poorly
Mcdonalds makes more money now than it ever has
But what about Mcdonalds hasn't changed? Wages
Minimum wage hasn't increased along with inflation, so the people at the top who make money by hiring people to do jobs for them don't increase wages, they are effectively stealing funds from the people who do those jobs
If these jobs were more sustainable, people would actually enjoy working there, people would probably keep working their, and their ability to provide excellent customer service would also increase

BUT Mcdonalds KNOWS that only people who are absolutely desperate for money would work there, so if you keep working conditions at the minimum possible effort, you can get a rotating staff of people who need money but aren't yet burnt out like they will be 6 months from after they start
People quit and they hire more and more people who need money

That's the artificial shortage--wages

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:25:25 2020 No.14980146

>>14980116
>Capitalists make money by innovating and delivering something people want cheaper and/or better than others
Most capitalists don't actually innovate--people with large amounts of money are able to invest large amounts of money into systems they know will give them a nice return of that money
Capitalists will hire people to innovate for them and then sell the innovations to people, you'll see this in literally every industry
Capitalists squeeze all the money they can out of whatever system they can

That's why you'll see so many tech companies trying to get government funds--not because they need it, but because it's more money for them
That's why you'll see so many drug companies raise prices on relatively cheap medicine--not because it's a new medicine, but because it's more money for them

so on and so forth

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:25:56 2020 No.14980150

>>14980131
there should be no minimum wage, minimum wage primarily hurts poor people. At best it is neutral to poor people in very biased studies that try and show it helps. Minimum wager pushes are 100% populist political bullshit cynically supported by politicians to increase their support amongst uneducated people

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:26:25 2020 No.14980151 >>14980128 Source? >>14980120 You still need to hire someone to

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:27:06 2020 No.14980157

>>14980146
>people with large amounts of money are able to invest large amounts of money into systems they know will give them a nice return of that money
Yeah, innovators
The system works because innovators create wealth, so no not every individual making money in the system is personally innovating but the wealth comes from innovation and market improvements

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:27:39 2020 No.14980161

>>14980120
Technology always obsoletes jobs and creates new ones. If replacement is the path, then so be it, and we as humans have the capacity to adapt and move on.

>>14980128
Then get better. We don't have the job that was in every engineering company of the Computer, women with math degrees whose job was to do the calculations for the minutiae for whatever the fuck they were up to, because they've been made obsolete by our computers, but they have opened up far more jobs.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:28:29 2020 No.14980164

>>14980150
>minimum wage primarily hurts poor people
Primarily, it's only ever benefitted poor people
It only stops benefitting poor people when minimum wage doesn't increase along with inflation, increases in minimum wage lead to more economic mobility, which means that people who make minimum wage don't have to continue making minimum wage because they can't afford to invest in things like education or transportation that make life easier for them

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:28:44 2020 No.14980166

>>14980151
Its simple economics, if you artificially increase the cost of labor you reduce demand for it. Markets don't primarily respond immediately so the idea that there not being mass firings the day minimum wage is implemented is somehow evidence that there is no negative effect is just fucking silly

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:30:23 2020 No.14980174

>>14980157
>innovators
Exactly, capitalists don't create innovations nor do they innovate, they profit off of innovations, but that's not the same thing as innovating

At the same time, capitalists can also profit off of a lack of innovation--
if innovation TRULY was the best way for capitalists to make money, the idea of a company buying the rights to make something or patent something (especially when they didn't develop the innovation themselvees) wouldn't exist

That's an artificial supply

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:30:51 2020 No.14980175 File: 464 KB, 1854x1896, ARbys has the something.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14979537 SO DO I!

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:31:23 2020 No.14980177

>>14980164
>it's only ever benefitted poor people
It benefits some random ass poor people (well ideally the hardest working amongst them, I am sure on average there is some meritocratic effect but probably small so not completely random) while hurting the majority of poor people

On the whole they hurt poor people even if they help some individual poor people

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:32:26 2020 No.14980184 >>14980164 >increases in minimum wage lead to more economic mobility They lead to the exact opposite, they price low skilled workers out of the economy altogether

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:33:34 2020 No.14980187

>>14980174
>Exactly, capitalists don't create innovations nor do they innovate, they profit off of innovations, but that's not the same thing as innovating
You are using the term "capitalist" absurdly exclusively. The innovators are capitalists, the investors are capitalists, the skilled workers with 401ks are capitalists. "capitalist" isn't just some boogeyman code word for super rich person you don't like

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:34:55 2020 No.14980196
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>>14980174
>At the same time, capitalists can also profit off of a lack of innovation--
Not overall, the capitalist economy trives on innovation, few understand how much better everything has gotten over the capitalist era, 90 percentile poorest Americans today live better than 90 percentile richest people in Europe 200 years ago

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:35:03 2020 No.14980197 >>14980166 that's how it works in theory, I just want a specific source that shows that historically, increases in a minimum wage lead to less workers in an industry like fast food

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:36:14 2020 No.14980204 >>14979537 they serve millions of coffees a day. every once in awhile there is gonna be a malfunction you pampered pussy

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:37:40 2020 No.14980216

>>14980187
>innovators are capitalists
no
>the investors are capitalists
yes
>the skilled workers with 401ks are capitalists
working within capitalism doesn't mean you're a capitalist, it just means that capitalism is how the society works around you

But also, broadly, yes a capitalist DOES literally mean a person of wealth

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:39:34 2020 No.14980222

>>14980196
>Not overall, the capitalist economy trives on innovation, few understand how much better everything has gotten over the capitalist era, 90 percentile poorest Americans today live better than 90 percentile richest people in Europe 200 years ago
That's not a result of capitalism though
If people could make more money by preventing innovation, they would (and they do)

That's why tech companies will buy up smaller companies so they have less competition
That's why pharmeceutical companies will prevent medicine that tax contributions helped develop from being created by other companies who "could do it better/cheaper"

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:41:26 2020 No.14980227

>>14980197
Do you think McDonalds would buy automated ordering systems if it weren't cheaper than workers?
Making workers more expensive quickens investments in automation, and in places where automation isn't available kills small businesses. High minimum wage like most regulatory burden favors large companies that can make the initial capital investments in automation, it is a big driver toward fast food at the expensive of local food. So just looking at "fast food jobs" is too simplistic as minimum wage drives people away from things not classified as fast food like small local restaurants as they close down

Just remember that almost every labor related regulation disproportionately effects small business, they are very often lobbied for by large businesses specifically for this reason

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:42:38 2020 No.14980231

>>14980216
lol at this fucking definition where inventing something and building a company around it doesn't make you a capitalist

Anyone profiting and thriving in a capitalist economy is a capitalist, so almost all of us besides those living off the government dole

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:44:24 2020 No.14980236

>>14980222
>That's not a result of capitalism though
It absolutely fucking is
>If people could make more money by preventing innovation, they would
again, you are getting confused by individual actions. Sure there are cases when an individual can make money by preventing innovation but in those cases literally everyone else can make money by encouraging it, so the capitalist economy strongly encourages innovation overall even if some individual actors in it don't want it

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:44:51 2020 No.14980238 I'm fine with increasing the minimum wage if we halt immigration. You can't do both at the same time. That's the retarded part. >inb4 stopping immigration isn't that easy Not the point.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:45:02 2020 No.14980240

>>14980227
>they are very often lobbied for by large businesses specifically for this reason
This obviously isn't true because if they actually wanted to pay people more, they could
Actually, you'll see more small/local businesses invested in a liveable wage than the majority of larger businesses

Has Amazon always paid it's workers a $15 wage, or did they only start because people demanded it and boycotted?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:45:03 2020 No.14980239 File: 124 KB, 750x913, 1603378380173.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14979606 you're not much better if you're eating at place that hires them, just saying

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:45:27 2020 No.14980243 >>14980227 Ohhhhh nooo not the heckin small businesses! Not muh shitty overpriced coffee shop that was Karen's dream nooooo

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:45:31 2020 No.14980244 >>14980238 immigration is good, minimum wage is bad

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:45:59 2020 No.14980248 >>14980239 This. We should burn down all fast food restaurants in a video game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:47:01 2020 No.14980252 >>14980244 When has ethnic replacement ever benefited the native population?

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:47:09 2020 No.14980253

>>14980240
>This obviously isn't true because if they actually wanted to pay people more, they could
ah, but you miss the point entirely
If everyone has to pay their employees more it benefits large companies over small companies. If only your company starts paying people more it hurts your company, its actually pretty simple to comprehend. This applies to almost all regulations, if you are the only one doing it it hurts you but if everyone has to do it it helps the big guys at the expense of the small local guys

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:47:23 2020 No.14980255 >>14980239 Yes I am

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:48:12 2020 No.14980259

>>14980240
>Has Amazon always paid it's workers a $15 wage, or did they only start because people demanded it and boycotted?
Yes they did it for PR purposes and then immediately started lobbying the government to try and force all of their competitors to them because they know they will be at a advantage when the smaller guys are doing it too

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:48:15 2020 No.14980261 >>14979537 >this is what you get when your employees are paid 7$/hour

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:49:18 2020 No.14980267

>>14980236
>It absolutely fucking is
We see more funding from the government put into innovation than we do private investment
We know that the majority of the innovations of the past 90 years didn't truly come from innovations from private investment
People think capitalism is all Henry Ford and the amazing automobile assembly lines

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:49:47 2020 No.14980271

>>14980252
American Indians today live much better. longer, healthier lives that they did 400 years ago
Fuck ethnicity, the nation belongs to the individuals that live here and people who chose modern western culture has nothing to do with genetics, anyone can assimilate to modern culture its a choice

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:51:10 2020 No.14980276 >>14979622 Yes. Let us continue to indirectly subsidize the corporations through entitlement programs. Why should they pay wages after all?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:52:03 2020 No.14980280 File: 6 KB, 275x183, download (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14979599 >McDonald's makes hundreds of millions in profits annually >but it's OK not to pay their workers more because the CEOs and shareholders did all the work

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:52:06 2020 No.14980281

>>14980253
Who gives a shit about the small local guys? I've ever only known like 3 small business owners who weren't completely exploitative shitbags looking to make money off the backs of people they don't give health insurance or a meaningful wage. They're the most entitled fucks in the world. It's always "what do you mean you don't want to work a double back for minimum wage over thanksgiving? What about my dreaaaassmz?!"

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:52:33 2020 No.14980284
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>>14979622
>Low-income housing exists, so do food stamps.
and if you walk to work and wear the same cloths everyday you might be able to afford a cellphone which is basically required for employment in 2020

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:53:58 2020 No.14980289

>>14980271
>American Indians today live much better. longer, healthier lives that they did 400 years ago
Longer? Maybe
Healthier and better? By what regard?

People will cite wars and lack of medicine as reasons why life was worse for native populations, but they "forget" about melting glaciers, fracking sinkholes, toxic water, and a lack of biodiversity
They also forget that many native people absolutely WOULD live they way they did 400 years ago if they could--native populations are adapting, not assimilating

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:55:15 2020 No.14980293

>>14980271
1. Your western standards are meaningless. Ask the natives if they think white colonization was good for them.
2. You might not behave as if your ethnicity matters, but other groups do. This will be bad when you're the minority.
3. Most POC are a tax burden and commit disproportionate crime. This is largely because of their low IQ.
4. Assimilation works when immigration is low and slow. If you think assimilation is working in Europe right now you're retarded.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:55:44 2020 No.14980294

>>14980267
>We see more funding from the government put into innovation than we do private investment
by what metric?
>People think capitalism is all Henry Ford and the amazing automobile assembly lines
Capitalism is countless small innovations all over the place. Its TV's steadily going from giant boxes with tiny screens costing half a year's salary to slim walls with massive screens that cost a week's salary in 50 years and similar if less dramatic changes in almost every industry over time. Its beer going from a small handful of megabrewers only making the same shitty lagers to 8000 breweries making dozens of styles each in the US today. Its your parents generation only eating shitty boomer food to all of us having access to dozens of restaurants of varieties of food from across the world, or going from boomer chains to local "hipster" places. Its computers going from the size of a room and doing simple calculations to almost everyone having a quite powerful one in their pocket. Its the internet barely being able to handle text to everyone having near instant access to any video they want in their pocket

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:56:30 2020 No.14980301

>>14979599
>Society doesn't pay their wages.

Of course it does, through supplemental benefit programs. If workers are paid so little that they qualify for "assistance", that means everyone helps pay for those big macs and shitty cups of granular coffee whether they buy them or not.

It's indirect corporate welfare.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:56:36 2020 No.14980302 File: 155 KB, 570x788, 1601484784923.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14979599 You mean Dinnertimers?

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:58:02 2020 No.14980311
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>>14979640
McD's only gives out 24h work weeks and no one is renting anything more then a corner in a shared room with 5 other people with that amount of money unless you live in Kentucky or Oklahomo

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:59:09 2020 No.14980319

>>14980289
>but they "forget" about melting glaciers
lol you realize that American Indians settled most of America at the tail end of the ice age? Their entire existence here is a story of melting glaciers. Pretty goofy illustration for you to pick

Western medicine alone is worth the coming of modern capitalism
>They also forget that many native people absolutely WOULD live they way they did 400 years ago
Thats a common cognitive flaw in humans, people are nostalgic by nature, they remember the good parts of the past and ignore the bad parts, it is not evidence that things were actually better. Tens of thousands of elderly southerns feel the same way about Jim Crow

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:59:26 2020 No.14980320

>>14979657
Technically inflation is good if you have assets anon. It's only bad for the guy at the bottom. Why would inflation matter if your company or property is more valuable on paper? Plus the gold standard was far too transparent for the elite. Better for the federal reserve to be hidden in shadow and voodoo.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 11:59:33 2020 No.14980322

>>14980196
Ah yes because capitalism invented artificial fertilizers, vaccines, public education, social healthcare... Oh wait, that was all feudalism or socialism and people under capitalism were encouraged to put their children into dangerous labor as soon as possible (8 years of age), as well as causing massive amounts of deaths through unsafe working conditions and lack of healthcare.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:00:22 2020 No.14980326

>>14980289
>native populations are adapting, not assimilating
the vast majority of native people assimilated, the modern pseudo-tribes are just larpers who resisted modernity, they do not represent their people as a whole, they are essentially the brown version of Amish people

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:01:46 2020 No.14980331 >>14980322 capitalism funded the systems that made all of those common

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:02:49 2020 No.14980336 >>14980322 ah yes because capitalist america didn't invent almost every relevant vaccine, we all remember how it was communist Russia that cured polio

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:03:50 2020 No.14980339

>>14980322
>as well as causing massive amounts of deaths through unsafe working conditions and lack of healthcare.
This is nonsense, the natural state of man was no healthcare and physically dangerous work. It was only capitalism that created enough societal wealth to finally combat this

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:04:06 2020 No.14980340

>>14979640
Restaurants work on a 10% margin and amazon already pays 15/hr. If you're too stupid to make 15/hr it's your fault. Amazon is literally everywhere. Sure the job sucks, it's deadend, it's dystopian, they have a slogan that may as well be "arbiet macht frei" above their creepy turnstyles, you have to have a transparent bag like a prisoner, and you can't listen to podcasts or music while in a warehouse that is damaging your hearing, and you're constantly monitored for efficiency, you'll never afford a house and constantly pay rent like a feudal peasant, but hey 15/hr.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:05:25 2020 No.14980345 >>14980339 This bitch nigga thinks hunting is more dangerous than a steam loom.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:06:54 2020 No.14980351 >>14980345 you ever tried to run through a wild old growth forest before?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:07:56 2020 No.14980357 >>14980340 you can easily afford a house on a couple both making $15/hour in much of the country, it won't be a super nice one but its not that hard

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:08:20 2020 No.14980359

>>14979589
>People would actually try to do a good job knowing society values their work

>Americans

You know damn well they'd still do a shit job and find something else to complain about. The job they do is simply not worth $15 and hour and if you were to seriously implement it the only people that would suffer are the insufferably poor idiots that see fast food as a genuine food lifeline and ironically the dumb wagies themselves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:08:58 2020 No.14980361 >>14980345 So basically capitalism made things a little more dangerous for like a generation before quickly building societal wealth and then making everyone safer than ever before.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:15:46 2020 No.14980394
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>>14980115
>because they mainly use customer service skills to help customers

Robots can already perform the menial burger flipping, assembly, and deep fryer tasks that the average burger wagie does. As for customer support you're an incredible idiot if you think that's where the fast food worker shines. Most people don't want to interact with a fast food worker (or indeed any sort of till worker) hence the rise is self-service checkouts and ordering booths (far more efficient, auditable, and inexpensive in the long run. People are less likely to complain as (whether you like it or not) machines are less likely to screw up a simple task through forgetfulness and you can't cheat it either by saying you ordered something else (again, ordering electronically and having the process automated means more auditability oversight.) If there is a balls up then there will still be a few people on site (maybe a technician or software maintenance person as well as a general manager) that someone can readily complain to.

You fast food wagies are on the way out whether you like it or not.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:16:22 2020 No.14980398

>>14979622
Low income housing is a pain in the ass to try and get into, let alone the fact that people with money take the time to vote no on low income housing.
>food stamps
Oh, you mean the thing that gets you looks of scorn and gossip of how you're just "using everyone else's taxes for lobster and $60 steaks"?? Fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:17:25 2020 No.14980404 >>14980339 >It was only capitalism that created enough societal wealth to finally combat this Hospitals and their like have existed long before capitalism was even a concept.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:18:00 2020 No.14980407 >>14980351 I'm a desert rat anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:19:55 2020 No.14980422 >>14980404 they weren't good though, there were actually extremely bad

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:20:57 2020 No.14980433 >>14980357 30,000/yr isn't really enough for anything anon.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:21:07 2020 No.14980437

>>14980394
You still need human "wagies" to clean your deep fryer robots, clean and sanitize the establishment, clean the bathrooms, ect. You fuckheads will always find a way to dehumanize us and it's just sad that you'd rather spend your energy hating on your fellow man.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:24:19 2020 No.14980457 >>14980361 And now everyone wants to kill themselves and is living in a dystopian hellscape destroying the earth on an exponential scale. We were better off in tribalism where we lived in the manner we evolved for.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:26:28 2020 No.14980467 >>14980433 I specifically said 2 incomes, so a couple. As someone who bought a nice $155,000 condo as a single person when I was only making like 50K, I can tell you with complete confidence that a couple making 62k can easily afford something

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:28:27 2020 No.14980473

>>14980457
>And now everyone wants to kill themselves
Not true though. The difference in suicide rates now is extremely small, yes suicide rates have gone up a little but thats mainly due to more effective means and not having kids when you are like 15 that are dependent on you for survival, not because people are unhappy, just unhappy people have fewer obligations

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:29:36 2020 No.14980484 >>14980467 That's two people to pay for insurance, car, car insurance, and feed. Plus in all likelyhood they will have a baby before being able to afford a house.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:29:54 2020 No.14980486

>>14980457
>a dystopian hellscape destroying the earth on an exponential scale
This is a silly assertion. We are destroying the earth in some very anthropomorphic sense, but the scale of it is absolutely reducing, in many ways the world is in much better shape today than it was only 40 years ago as much of the third world has embraced western capitalism and the prosperity that comes with it

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:31:05 2020 No.14980492 >>14980473 Yeah antidepressants and adderall work wonders. What a utopia.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:31:33 2020 No.14980498

>>14980484
houses aren't that expensive in most of the coutry

But yes you hit the real factor here, the problem stopping poor people from owning houses is their unwavering commitment to having children before they are old enough to afford them. Want to know how to be a socially mobile poor person? Don't have a kid young, thats it, thats all it takes to be successful

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:32:25 2020 No.14980504

>>14980437
>You fuckheads will always find a way to dehumanize us

No. You have that backwards. It's the jobs you do and the corporations you work for that dehumanize you. It's the understaffing that forces every penny of "work product" out of you, causes you to have to run your collective asses off all day long that dehumanizes you. it's being sent home when "things are slow" without regard to your income needs for that week which dehumanizes you. It's the less than 40 hr weeks so that benefits do not have to be paid, split shifts, lack of advancement opportunity and so forth. All of those things dehumanize you.

Self ordering, robots and such are merely new steps along the road the corporations are using to dehumanize you further.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:33:32 2020 No.14980507

>>14980492
you really really underestimate how bad life was historically

Have you ever known a couple that lost a child? Even just a miscarriage? Have you seen the emotional toll that takes on couples? Now imagine 60% of your children dying before adulthood, thats what life was like before capitalism

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 12:33:51 2020 No.14980508 >>14980486 Oh yay, the developing world is entering the tooling stage and actively destroying the natural world while breeding like mice. What a wonderful world of hyperinflated humans so that each of us is worth less and less as individuals.

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