Redpill me on veganism /ck/

[Anonymous No.14460390]

[Anonymous No.14460401]

>>14460390
It's for faggots and women.

[Anonymous No.14460410]

Good for your heart

[Anonymous No.14460415]

its debunked

[Anonymous No.14460432]

>>14460415
not sure how you can debunk a personal choice, its like trying to debunk someone having a kid when they already have one

[Anonymous No.14460434]

>>14460390
Life is complicated and none of us really know what we're doing. It's easier to shout at people you think are getting things wrong than it is to examine whether you're doing anything right.

[Anonymous No.14460467]

Good for your body, good for the environment, sustainable, healthy, ethical, religiously friendly across the board, no animals are harmed.

If you ever leave your basement and start a garden in your back yard, you can basically eat for free.

[Anonymous No.14460479]

>>14460410
The problem with Esselstyns health trials is that there were also other recommendations he made along with his diet that has already been proven to reverse heart disease like... quitting smoking, exercising more, not drinking... I mean shit, just losing weight will reverse or halt coronary artery disease.

So if someone quits smoking, exercises more, stops drinking and eats a low carb animal based diet and loses weight that way wont that also reverse or halt coronary artery disease?

I mean, is there a one size fits all diet for optimal human health?

[Anonymous No.14460488]

>>14460467
>If you ever leave your basement and start a garden in your back yard, you can basically eat for free.

Send pic of garden.

[Anonymous No.14460515]

>>14460488
Nice. Here's last year's.

[Anonymous No.14460598]

>>14460515
47 squash picked way too late and full of water
3 and a half peppers

[Anonymous No.14460633]

Veganism is objectively healthy for you, and keeps you morally safeguarded from killing your fellow living beings or needlessly exploiting your fellow living beings

[Anonymous No.14460655]

>>14460467
>good for your body
no real proof of this, and you need to use supplements for some nutrients
>good for the environment
if everyone went vegan we would need a lot more intensive agriculture, or good quality products wouldn't be available for everyone
>sustainable
if you want to feed everybody you need intensive agriculture, see above
>healthy
which is the same as good for your body and just as wrong
>ethical
I've no ethical/moral problem with eating meat, just as most other people around the globe
>religiously friendly
really? how is this an actual argument for veganism?
>no animals are harmed
this in theory is correct but, this goes for vegetarianism not veganism, chickens are not harmed by someone taking their unfertilized eggs which they would lay anyway. but the question i'd like to ask any vegan is: let's assume everyone went with your idea and became vegan what the fuck would we do with all the cows? and the chickens? they have no natural habitat since they have been bred to be farm animals.

for the garden bit i assume the person writing the post owns at least a couple of acres of land to farm and greenhouses to have vegetables during the winter.

Just eat a little bit of everything and buy quality stuff when you can, don't radicalize everything.

[Anonymous No.14460675]

>>14460633
>unironically thinks that saying "objectively" makes his opinion objective

[Anonymous No.14460681]

>>14460515
Not worth it to show off harvest. I have been eating tons of cucumber and zuchhini, ate my first watermelon last week. Cherry tomatoes are ripening and broccoli is coming in. Already ate most of the peas, and getting ready to pick and replant the last of my beets and turnips Picked green beans but I realized I hate green beans so I left them aside from one jar I pickled.
Already got my second batch of radishes going, my sunflowers are opening, and peppers are forming.
Not bad for a first timer having no clue wtf is going on and getting half my shit eaten by pests (I refuse to use any sort of unnatural pesticides)

I have no clue when my corn or potatoes will be ready for harvest.

But the best part is all my failed crops I dont eat/want to eat go to my ducks, and allegedly ducks are winter layers so when your garden is dead I'll be getting fresh eggs and meat >:3 In the meantime they are excellent pasture management (they are on rotating pasture), where they roost at night makes the grass greener and more lush. Can't wait for chicken so I can have some compost management though. Ducks aren't scratchers and are a bit pickier when it comes to food, they prefer semi aquatic insects (beetles and slugs being a favorite), whereas chickens would be great for eating maggots out of duck shit/compost..

[Anonymous No.14460711]

>>14460655
You're just LOOKING for reasons to argue at this point. You're not a very happy person in general, are you?

[Anonymous No.14460739]

>>14460711
I'm looking for reasons to argue because in my life I've never argued with anyone advocating for veganism with reasons other than "it's good for you, followed by no explanation or supporting argument" or "poor animals *crying noises*"

of course i'm not happy, I'm on 4chan

[Anonymous No.14460765]

>>14460675
Oh sorry, I meant empirically.

https://www.livekindly.co/are-vegans-healthier-than-meat-eaters/

[Anonymous No.14460773]

>>14460390
I've never met a vegan who wasn't mentally ill on multiple medications.

[Anonymous No.14460782]

>>14460390
Man has eaten meat since the dawn of time. Why change it now?

[Anonymous No.14460788]

>>14460390
Most people do it because they feel bad about animals needing to be killed. It's probably partially from how many people are completely removed from the process, so they go decades without thinking about all the animals that had to die, and it hits them all at once.

I think it's good to at least go vegan or vegetarian temporarily, until you feel like your body really needs you to eat some meat so you learn to fully appreciate it. I think that's what most people do because the majority of people who go vegan don't seem stay vegan. Other than that, the health benefits and such are overstated and it has its own problems because plants don't provide complete nutrition. I wouldn't expect veganism to really matter anymore once lab-grown meat gets into stores too, a lot of vegans already say they'll eat it.

[Anonymous No.14460806]

>>14460788
Sounds like a generation of sheltered kids raised by hippies.

[Anonymous No.14460809]

>>14460782
We're constantly changing what we do in an attempt to improve things. I respect nature and find it fascinating, but I don't believe everything in nature is good either or that there's anything wrong with trying to improve aspects of it.

[Anonymous No.14460820]

it's a fairly simple and healthy diet. however, it's also boring. i've been vegan for about a year, and it's really hard to make a nice entree or shake things up all that much. there's only so many ways you can dress up beans and rice, you know?

[Anonymous No.14460821]

>>14460782
>we've had slavery/rape/murder since the dawn of time. Why change it now?

[Anonymous No.14460826]

>>14460806
Well a lot of people are trying to make it illegal to film what happens in slaughterhouses. They want people to stay sheltered because it makes them feel less guilty so they'll buy more meat.

[Anonymous No.14460839]

>>14460821
>eating meat is literally rape

[Anonymous No.14460848]

>>14460826
Just go to your local butcher bro, that shit happens with corporations.

[Anonymous No.14460849]

>>14460390
I want to redpill you on (((Veganism)))
>18 Vegan Doctors Who Drive (((The Plant Based Movement)))
https://nutriciously.com/vegan-doctors/
I just want /ck/ to look at the driving forces behind Veganism. Notice anything?
>Esselstyn (alternate spelling of Esselstein)
>Goldner
>Goldhamer
>Ostfeld
>Lederman (alternate spelling of Letterman)
>Klaper
>Ornish
>Michael Greger (the #1 vegan doctor on Earth, confirmed Jewish by his wikipedia page)
>Joel Kahn (admits to being Jewish in an interview (see sources))
>Garth Davis (he made a Facebook post saying he is Jewish (see sources))
That's 10 out of 18 confirmed ultra-Jews with many of the remaining 8 being unconfirmed yet highly probable Jews. 56%+ of most "influential" Vegan Doctors despite being only 1.75% of the population. (sources here since 4chan thinks some of the URLs are spam: https://pastebin.com/UvGtvNh8

[Anonymous No.14460851]

>>14460821
Right what's your point?

[Anonymous No.14460858]

>>14460821
I bet I could kill you in 20 seconds you fat tranny

[Anonymous No.14460862]

>>14460821
You know PETA also tells people to not kill cockroaches right?

[Anonymous No.14460875]

>>14460862
not that guy but most of the normal vegans (the ones that aren't getting into an argument with you over your steak) recognize that PETA is crazy and probably a detriment to veganism and green politics as a whole

[Anonymous No.14460888]

>>14460862
I'm vegan and a right winger. Seventh Day Adventism is pretty based

[Anonymous No.14460889]

>>14460839
That wasn't the point, just saying something has been around for a long time doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing that shouldn't be changed.

[Anonymous No.14460896]

>>14460765
Compared to non-vegetarians, vegetarians have reduced body mass index (BMI), serum cholesterol, serum glucose and blood pressure with a lower mortality rate due to ischemic heart disease (IHD) [17,204]. However, underestimating the correct supplementation of cobalamin (Cbl) can nullify these benefits [103].

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5188422/

as I said if you take supplements it works, but it's like saying that a car it's great but in order for it to be great you actually need to add an extra engine

[Anonymous No.14460902]

>>14460889
doesn't necessarily mean it's bad either

[Anonymous No.14460906]

>>14460765
>https://www.livekindly.co/are-vegans-healthier-than-meat-eaters/
>"people who are classed as overweight or obese on the BMI scale can be completely healthy"
lol okay

[Anonymous No.14460924]

>>14460765
>LIVEKINDLY | The Latest in Vegan & Plant Based News Stories

totally sounds like an impartial source

[Anonymous No.14460936]

>>14460896
i think it's important to note that "fixing" veganism is pretty easy, whereas fixing a more modern diet is fairly difficult. like the answer for b12 deficiency is a multivitamin, whereas cholesterol, glucose, and blood pressure require some (comparatively) radical changes to fix.
>>14460906
most of the people who complain about BMI are unhealthy, but that's a true statement. however when you get into the obese range you're looking at peak athletes.

[Anonymous No.14460939]

>>14460924
You try finding a source that isn't funded by Big Meat

[Anonymous No.14460941]

>>14460765
Since most people are overweight and unhealthy, you can be healthier than the average person on a vegan diet if you pay more attention to what you eat and have a basic understanding of nutrition. But a proper omnivore diet will be better than the best vegan diet.

[Anonymous No.14460953]

>>14460479
This guy thinks

[Anonymous No.14460965]

>>14460821
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14460972]

>>14460936
if you are talking about an american modern diet (which these studies consider "normal") then ok. but trust me, I'm italian and our diet it's not even close to the american standard consumption of red meat and fats.

[Anonymous No.14460976]

>>14460939
>https://www.livekindly.co/are-vegans-healthier-than-meat-eaters/

Ill fund you with my big meat

[Anonymous No.14460980]

>>14460939
You just need to go with multiple sources for stuff like this and try to compare as much info as you can handle. Information coming from a vegan source or meat industry source doesn't necessarily mean it's incorrect, they both want to push something and you need to see it from both sides. Most people don't eat enough unprocessed plants and they do have a lot of health benefits, but they don't provide complete nutrition and the best diets seem to include at least a little bit of meat or other animal products.

[Anonymous No.14460986]

>>14460765
>Often, people assume that vegans are all tall, thin and glowing.
>glowing

[Anonymous No.14461004]

>>14460401
Women are natural-born faggots.

[Anonymous No.14461010]

>>14460972
i totally believe you. the american diet is incredibly unhealthy and only a handful of countries are directly comparable to us. however, rates of obesity, heart disease, etc. seem to be climbing in most of the first world countries, even italy. i feel like people just drift to the worst food over time, and it's something i see within veganism too since many people will rely on processed substitutes.

[Anonymous No.14461045]

>>14460849
>>14460390
Don't forget (((Peter Singer))) the "philosopher" who wrote Animal Liberation.

[Anonymous No.14461048]

>>14460888
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573742/GPs-social-services-missed-chances-save-five-month-old-baby-boy-died-RICKETS-Seventh-Day-Adventist-parents-refused-allow-medical-help.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/12/seventh-day-adventists-charged-in-childs-death/

https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/single-post/Kellogg

Fuck 7th Day Adventists.

[Anonymous No.14461051]

>>14461010
so i think we can all agree on eating less mass-produced and overly processed shit

[Anonymous No.14461056]

You guys are despicable. Someone red pill me on having sex.

[Anonymous No.14461078]

>>14461056
If you want a healthy sex life you need cholesterol as it is key in healthy cell function and the production of sperm in men, healthy development of a fetus and in a woman's breastfeeding.

[Anonymous No.14461080]

>>14461056
Sex-positivism is good for everyone, nothing wrong with sex

[Anonymous No.14461090]

>>14461051
oh absolutely. i'd probably be just as healthy as an omnivore since the way you prepare your food and how much thought/time you invest into your nutrition seems to be more of a deciding factor than just avoiding some category of food entirely.

[Anonymous No.14461103]

>>14460739
So go fucking drink or something. Take your soured toxic ass outside and do something useful with your life.

[Anonymous No.14461129]

Almost any restrictive diet of any kind will make you much healthier, as it will stop you from eating over-optimized processed food and take out. The actual restriction is likely slightly negative in most cases.
You can get the same effect just by eating and cooking with whole foods and having a decent amount of variety in what you eat.

[Anonymous No.14461133]

>>14461056
Don't do it

[Anonymous No.14461140]

>>14461129
the only real issue is how much cheaper shitty processed food is. Being healthy seems to be, at the moment, behind a paywall