/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.14395404]

Johnnie Walker is going to be sold in paper bottles next year.

What will this mean for the rest of whisky? Probably price increases.

[Anonymous No.14395407]

>>14395404
thats pretty odd, why? eco reasons?

[Anonymous No.14395412]

>>14395407
It’s cool because it has a plastic tap rather than a metallic one, so eco friendly

[Anonymous No.14395416]

>go to store
>see bottle of jahnnee
>stab side with pin
>siphon flowing gold
>walk out hammered
what were they thinking

[Anonymous No.14395419]

I'm okay with this

No more worrying about dropping it either.

[Anonymous No.14395427]

>MY WHISKY JOURNEY

[Anonymous No.14395430]

They should sell wooden mini-barrels of whisky that you can age however long you like.

[Anonymous No.14395432]

>>14395419

Have you ever dropped a carton of milk? Paper containers explode way easier than plastic.

[Anonymous No.14395435]

>>14395430
They should just sell you a bundle of barley with a log of peat and tell you to fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.14395439]

This is completely stupid

[Anonymous No.14395445]

>>14395432
my milk cartons are plastic, not paper

[Anonymous No.14395449]

if it aint glass I aint buyin it

simple as

[Anonymous No.14395451]

>>14395449
This
How are you gonna store a paper bottle for an extended period of time? There's no way there's no interaction between the bottle and the content going on.

[Anonymous No.14395482]

>>14395430
welcome to 2009, old timer

[Anonymous No.14395489]

>>14395451
wont the inside be coated in plastic like any other paper carton

[Anonymous No.14395493]

>>14395489
yup, it's not like we haven't been selling boxed wine for decades.

[Anonymous No.14395497]

>>14395482
I meant like, selling them full of whisky already, a wood/whisky pairing that's intended to improve the whisky in a known, specific way.

[Anonymous No.14395502]

>>14395489
That would suck even worse

[Anonymous No.14395511]

>>14395502
why because you said so?

[Anonymous No.14395513]

>>14395493
aren't boxed wines in a plastic bag inside the box?

[Anonymous No.14395514]

If the current bottle was made out of sea turtle shells I could see the point but silica is the most abundant material on earth

[Anonymous No.14395518]

>>14395511
No retard, because alcohol is a solvent.

[Anonymous No.14395523]

>>14395513
ya

[Anonymous No.14395525]

>>14395518
...so how the fuck do all of the various plastic based alcoholic beverage containers survive?

[Anonymous No.14395529]

>>14395525
Dude i'm not worried about the container's wellbeing here, wtf.

[Anonymous No.14395535]

>>14395529
...are you retarded?

We drink out of plastic containers that carry alcohol all the time without any issues.

Why is it suddenly a problem for whiskey?

[Anonymous No.14395562]

>>14395535
>We drink out of plastic containers that carry alcohol all the time
speak for yourself

[Anonymous No.14395566]

>>14395535
wine is much less aggressive at 12% and will likely contain less dissolved plastic than whisky at 40% abv or more. it's funny how people get paranoid about bottled water but don't go through the same thinking process when it comes to liquor.

[Anonymous No.14395591]

My dad made me drink a bottle of Johnnie Walker on my 16th birthday. Still the worst day of my life and that was almost twenty years ago

[Anonymous No.14395598]

>>14395591
.. why did your dad make you do that and can you fill us in on your escapades

[Anonymous No.14395607]

>>14395416
Based

[Anonymous No.14395609]

isn't glass easier to recycle than paper and plastic?

[Anonymous No.14395627]

>>14395609
Yes, but all recycled glass goes to big beer companies for beer bottles. Everyone else has to buy new glass.

[Anonymous No.14395629]

>>14395535
>We drink out of plastic containers that carry alcohol all the time without any issues.

Lol, maybe you. I haven't done that shit since high school

[Anonymous No.14395671]

I sort of like the aesthetic of most Johnnie Walker bottles, but I don't give a shit about scotch or whiskey.

The paper bottle looks terrible and will look wildly out of place in a well stocked liquor cabinet.

[Anonymous No.14395702]

>>14395598
He was saying some shit about how I wasn’t allowed to leave the home until I drank the bottle and he seemed really intimidating at the time. I managed to drink it all but I threw up ten minutes afterwards, thought I was going to have to go to the hospital but just stayed home. He made it up to me by buying me a brand new 2002 M3 at the time which I ended up crashing during prom by driving on the wrong side of the road because I had my headlights off. I’ve been an on and off alcoholic since then but I been getting a lot better and haven’t had a drink since February and stick to water. The old man passed in 2009 after an overdose. He was a pretty good dad to be honest and paid for anything I wanted but he did somethings that could have easily gotten CPS called.

[Anonymous No.14395725]

>>14395702
Not only are you a shitty blogposter but you also got everything handed to you on a silver platter and still managed to become a waste of life. It's fuck ups like you that always seem to get it all.

[Anonymous No.14395729]

>>14395671
Agreed
If evan williams did this I might buy it but for the price... Cmon

[Anonymous No.14395740]

>>14395725
Glad to see you are enjoying my blog : ) Would it make you happier if told you I dropped out of Community College to just chill at home for years and play vidya? Keep crying

[Anonymous No.14395751]

>>14395609
Remember that while Blaire is pretty she still has a penis
So still not a real woman

[Anonymous No.14395758]

>>14395407
It's to minmax on freight- the cap'n planet angle is to look good about the situation.

[Anonymous No.14395767]

>>14395416
Reminds me of a story
>Walk into deli for. Sandwich
>Big ham hanging
>Friend thinks it's funny to pinch it with a pin
>Grease starts pouring
>Shit ton of grease flowing off the ham into the floor
>Friend doesn't know what to do, no way of hiding in
>I just stare amazed on his hability to fuck things up
>He endended up fucking off from the store before anyone noticed grease still falling into the floor like an open bottle of shampoo

[Anonymous No.14395784]

>>14395451
There are 8 layers of cardboard with a metalic coating between each one, it would take decades for the liquid to get halfway through

[Anonymous No.14395791]

>>14395740
You are scum and a waste of sperm, anybody else in your position could have lived any life they wanted and you fucking blew it. Drink yourself to death

[Anonymous No.14396325]

Shitty container for shitty whisky. Who cares.

[Anonymous No.14396327]

>>14396325
I could describe your mom in the exact same words

[Anonymous No.14396380]

>>14396327
You could but you're too scared bitch

[Anonymous No.14396395]

>>14395497
Do you think a 12 year whisky has been sitting inside a cask for 12 years before they sell it...?

[Anonymous No.14396557]

i shit on whiskyfags

[Anonymous No.14396664]

>>14395489
>>14395493
The articles report that Diageo has specifically indicated this will not be ghd case. The insides will not be plastic, although the inner layer will have some sort of spray treatment.

Sounds like it'll cause cancer.

[Anonymous No.14396671]

>>14395514
I swear I read that sand for glass is running out

[Anonymous No.14396687]

>>14396395
Yes

[Anonymous No.14396843]

>>14395445
Uuuuuh, they are carton with a plastic and alu liner.

[Anonymous No.14396897]

>>14395412
Not to mention all that eco-friendly plastic that will inevitably coat the inside of the bottle.

[Anonymous No.14397223]

>>14396395
What do you think the age declaration means?

[Anonymous No.14397371]

Fucking hate plastic, paper and cardboard niggers.

Glass is literally THE best container you could ask for. this shit will be carried by faggots that got brainwashed with eco bullshity.
Just let product quality be down and ramp up the prices because retards will pay either way, who cares.

Fuck this world.

[Anonymous No.14397384]

>>14397371
But glass is also the most environmentally sustainable, because it can be recycled infinitely.

[Anonymous No.14397559]

>>14397384
As pointed out earlier in this thread, this is far more likely to be an attempt to save on freight costs using environmentalism as decoy reason. Back in 2014 there was a wine brand, Paperboy, whose entire gimmick was the use of plastic lined, cardboard bottles touted as an eco-friendly alternative to glass. It was actually just bag-in-box using a bottle-shaped outer shell; the real benefit was a 34% weight reduction per case over glass bottles.

[Anonymous No.14397561]

>>14397371
>lower quality ramp up prices
>hurrdurr what are microeconomics

god youre dumb

[Anonymous No.14397567]

>>14397561
If you believe that any modern distillery would ever pass on its savings to the customers, I have a bridge you might be interesting in purchasing.

[Anonymous No.14397586]

Sales are going to plummet, surely. I can't see that being a smart business decision ever. Nobody wants liquor in a fucking carton.

[Anonymous No.14397591]

>>14397567
Spread out over the total amount of bottles you'd be looking at a very small price decrease even if all savings were passed directly to the consumer.

[Anonymous No.14397604]

>>14397586
JW makes the bulk of its sales of its cheaper red and black labels which are pretty much ubiquitous in every restaurant, bar, and any scotch-drinking wannabe's cabinet. It's always been cheap generic stuff, so I don't really see this being a poor move unless you're deluded enough to think JW red label is anything more than for mixing or as a working class scotch. They'll probably still sell their niche pricey green/gold/blue/etc. shit in glass bottles.

[Anonymous No.14397615]

>>14397604
While JW Black and Red are seen as entry-level Scotches, there is a world of difference between that and being seen as the whisky version of a Bota box.

[Anonymous No.14397633]

>>14397615
Well, I don't imagine we'll hit the point of Cutty Sark being sold in a fucking bag with a straw, but I hardly see this move as being drastic.

[Anonymous No.14397655]

>>14395404
Wouldn't switching everything to paper just mean cutting down more trees? It doesn't seem like anyones thought things through.

[Anonymous No.14397833]

>>14395404
Tetrapak in other words.

[Anonymous No.14397938]

>>14396843
No they're just plastic.

[Anonymous No.14397950]

>>14397938
That's a jug, you moron. Not a carton.

[Anonymous No.14397955]

>>14397950
>he's arguing over the difference between a carton of milk and a jug of milk on a mongolian bread weaving forum

[Anonymous No.14397957]

>>14397955
Odd cope, but not unexpected coming from an ESL.

[Anonymous No.14398341]

>>14396897


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>>14396664

>>14397559
thank you, this is not something I had considered, but clear as day now that you mention it. based ISM bro

>>14397655
no myaaan, like use hemp bro. the govermnet is just keeping it illegal because it's god's perfect plant brooo

[Anonymous No.14398356]

>>14395445

You never had those tiny milk cartons in school? Kids are clumsy as fuck and drop these all the time.

[Anonymous No.14398399]

>>14395758
that makes sense, seeing as glass is infinitely recyclable and paper packaging for liquids needs some type of polymer lining which complicates the recycling process immensely

[Anonymous No.14398554]

>>14398399
Have soyboys infiltrate scotch? Making it lighter could appeal to women and those who drink like them.

[Anonymous No.14398651]

>>14398554
>Have soyboys infiltrate scotch?
He doesn't know.

[Anonymous No.14398703]

>>14397955
No one calls that a carton. It even says on the image it's a gallon

[Anonymous No.14398707]

>>14395404
based asf. wonder if i can use my soylent bottle opener on it.

[Anonymous No.14398736]

>>14395518
So is water you fucking chemlet. I'm sure a large corporation can hire a chemist capable of choosing a material that doesn't dissolve in ethanol or water.

[Anonymous No.14399003]

I can't imagine any real scotch drinker will care considering JW is such a shit tier whiskey and massively overpriced for the quality they put out. I suppose if it really bothers you that much then buy a decanter and get it specialized. Any Whiskey drinker should have at least 1 decanter imo.

[Anonymous No.14399200]

>>14398736
>I'm sure a large corporation can hire a chemist capable of choosing a material that doesn't dissolve in ethanol or water.
Yeah, like they did in the past. Moron.

[Anonymous No.14399789]

>>14395427
literally what?

[Anonymous No.14400530]

>>14395427
I want to know who says this, Wojack poster, or just GTFO.

[Anonymous No.14400700]

>>14397950
Semantics

[Anonymous No.14400735]

>>14400530
Not him, but I'm pretty certain that was a JW slogan at one point in time. They've done punny slogans like "Keep on Walking" before.

[Anonymous No.14400747]

>>14400530

[Anonymous No.14400758]

>>14395427
Who are you quoting

[Anonymous No.14400820]

>>14395416
lmao it would be easier to steal the bottle you retard

[Anonymous No.14400861]

>>14400747
do redditfags really do this?

[Anonymous No.14400870]

>>14395767
Your friend sounds based

[Anonymous No.14400898]

>>14398554
they infiltrate everything

[Anonymous No.14401147]

>>14400747

[Anonymous No.14401198]

>>14400898
>>14398554
>rapacious cost-cutting that is the essence and logical outcome of capitalism
>must be soyboys!
How do people not see the reality here?

[Anonymous No.14401222]

>>14401198
hmmmmm, communist whisky

[Anonymous No.14401231]

>>14401222
That's an American vodka made with good old USA government subsidized corn.

[Anonymous No.14401250]

>>14400747
>whiskytribe
Of fucking course they'd start something this cringe.
>>14400861
Only the really gay ones. People on the bigger subs laugh at stupid shit like this although they also act super positively to every fucking pleb who posts how much they love Lagavulin 16 like its the holy grail of accessibile whisky.
Although they at least have somewhat better taste in whisky then /ck/ but not as good as literally every other spirits community on the internet that isn't decanter.

[Anonymous No.14401254]

if the paper bottle freaks you out so much just store it in your crystal decanter
wait, you DO have a decanter, don't you anon?

[Anonymous No.14401260]

>>14401250
>

[Anonymous No.14401271]

>>14401260
Speak for yourself you obvious newfag.

[Anonymous No.14401280]

>>14401250
There are no non-gay redditors, fuck off nigger.

[Anonymous No.14401318]

>>14395751
>she
I’d still fuck him up the ass though, full homo

[Anonymous No.14401337]

>>14401222
what is this contrived whataboutism even trying to imply

[Anonymous No.14401348]

>>14401337
>whataboutism
That's not even a real thing.

[Anonymous No.14401368]

>>14401254
>you do have a meme oxidizer that only ruins your drinks, right?

[Anonymous No.14401393]

>>14401250
>every other spirits community
Not the scotch bourbon whiskey lover's group on facebook.

[Anonymous No.14401424]

>>14401393
Never even heard of them. Only one I know of is the Malt Maniacs group, but most of the people there are industry people or work in cask selection for various markets in Europe.

[Anonymous No.14401721]

>>14401198
A lighter product is a womanized design choice

[Anonymous No.14401920]

>>14401721
It's cutting down freight costs you utter brainlet

[Anonymous No.14402027]

>>14395404
What will that taste like...?
Must have some plastic coating right?

[Anonymous No.14402033]

>>14402027
it's gonna smell like new cellphones

[Anonymous No.14402046]

>>14396557
>ENTREPOT DE VINS

[Anonymous No.14402662]

>>14397655
>Wouldn't switching everything to paper just mean cutting down more trees? It doesn't seem like anyones thought things through.
I think I read somewhere that there where now incredibly fast growing trees that are used to manufacture the pulp used for making a large percentage of paper products, and that these trees are planted and grown in large enough numbers that there are not really issues with sustainably harvesting the trees for pulp like there are with hardwoods used for furniture etc.

[Anonymous No.14402664]

>>14398356
>You never had those tiny milk cartons in school? Kids are clumsy as fuck and drop these all the time.
The milk also tastes like cardboard.
Fuck those containers.

[Anonymous No.14402671]

>>14395404
>corporation packages an advertisement as a press release and every mainstream media outlet reports on it, like lemmings

Why do they do this shit? It's literally free advertising.
>Oh wow big alcohol conglomerate changed the look of one of it's products to cut costs, please buy JOAMMY WALKER
FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.14402679]

>>14398554
>Have soyboys infiltrate scotch? Making it lighter could appeal to women and those who drink like them.
Why not package the Whiskey in Aluminum bottles like Danzka or some beer and soda companies have done.
If people want to keep the bottles they have a collectible, and the graphics likely don’t cost much to change.
The aluminum lowers the weight like the paper does, if not by more than the paper.
The aluminum is also highly recyclable, and actually worth recycling.

[Anonymous No.14402723]

>>14402671
Anon, usually those companies will pay the Corp, for example Sinclair, and then Sinclair will provide product placement for all of the local news stations and other affiliates. This is common knowledge.

[Anonymous No.14402730]

Lel all the micro plastics are going to bleach inside the drink
I just know my whisky brand won't fall for this bullshit anyway so doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.14403208]

>>14395404
Only a fool buys JW

[Anonymous No.14403217]

REPLACE CORKS WITH SCREWTOPS FOR FUCKS SAKE

ITS ALL IM ASKING

THERES LITERALLY NO UPSIDES TO A CORK

[Anonymous No.14403220]

>>14395514
It takes very much energy for making it into glass.

[Anonymous No.14403228]

>>14398399
You need to take into account the energy required for making glass bottles

[Anonymous No.14403271]

>>14395432
Have you ever tried not being retarded and dropping milk containers

[Anonymous No.14403307]

>>14397559
JW is going even lighter and actually possible more toxic depending on how cheap they slide.
Paper lined with RESIN. That will naturally break down over time once emptied.

Either that resin will leach into the alcohol, leading to resin leaded alcohol.
React with alcohol to create nondigestible types of alcohol that lodge in your organs/nerves.
Bottles sometimes get indented/bent and will start dissolving the paper because the liner is so thin.

But can see why they go this route, aluminum cans are on the out. ALuminum is reducing in price. Paper is the lightest commercially usable product for transporting liquids/foods. Resin is lighter/easier to spray than plastic. Save big transport costs and potential California taxes for non-recyclable containers.

P.s. Glass recycling is VERY CONCENTRATED. most of it is just aggregated and spread around the place.

[Anonymous No.14403309]

>>14400000

[Anonymous No.14403312]

>>14395513
Some are (big boxes, space bags), some are "tetrapak" boxes which just have a plastic or wax lining inside the cardboard, like a milk carton.

Ideal for camping at a glass restricted location, but otherwise... it seems like it would suck.