/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.14301028]

Why did humans start aging shit in barrels?

[Anonymous No.14301033]

>>14301028
Subtle hints of flavor I presume

[Anonymous No.14301036]

>>14301028
>store thing in barrel
>leave in barrel too long
>tastes like barrel now
Some people like the taste of wood.

[Anonymous No.14301044]

>>14301028
Big sloppsa shit?

[Anonymous No.14301046]

To make the shit more vinegary

[Anonymous No.14301100]

Big barrel

[Anonymous No.14301252]

>>14301028
Barrels are durable. Age lasts longer than rotten.

[Anonymous No.14301259]

You can burn them and add flavour. Back in the 1700s it was just easier to cooper shit for storage.

[Anonymous No.14301260]

>>14301028
No refrigeration

[Anonymous No.14301484]

>>14301028
because it prevents things from rotting in stockpiles.
if you want to min-max, make pots out of stone instead of wooden barrels. they hold more and have better protection against vermin.

[Anonymous No.14301693]

>>14301028
>tfw rundlet

[Anonymous No.14301705]

>>14301028
U see anon, we stored gunpowder in barrels People that typically sniffed the powder realized it had a wooden scent when enjoyed out of a barrel.

[Anonymous No.14301888]

>>14301028
They were tricked by a cooper conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.14301909]

>>14301028
When they began making barrels as a storage vessel which were lighter and less brittle than ceramic amphorae.

[Anonymous No.14301914]

>>14301028
The story of Worcester Sauce relates to this. One day hundreds of years ago, some people mixed a few things in a barrel. They left the barrel in a basement and forgot about it. Then a few years later, when cleaning out the basement, they came across the barrel again. Opening it up, they found the smell pleasant, they tasted it and found it was delicious. So they started making making loads of sauce the exact same way.

All the other discoveries were probably found the same way, someone put grape juice in a barrel and forgot about it, etc.

[Anonymous No.14301944]

>>14301914
Not sure about the wine story, fruits that are too ripe already have a smell/taste of alcohol. If you have fruit trees you know what I mean, when many fruits have fallen on the ground and start to ferment it smells like spilled booze. From there it seems pretty intuitive to make wine.

[Anonymous No.14301945]

>>14301028
Because it was available, dummy.

[Anonymous No.14301950]

>>14301028
because they had barrels obviously

IGNORANT™

[Anonymous No.14302308]

>>14301028
I'd say in the early days it was much more important, because it rounded the edges of the primitve spirits or wines.
I mean it is still common for wine ageing that the barrels are washed out with water or steam so they give less flavour to the wine.

[Anonymous No.14302332]

>>14301914
Worcestershire is the result of English trying to recreate Asian fish sauce you funking dolt

[Anonymous No.14302370]

>>14301914
>>14301944
>>14302332
No, that's literally how Wooster sauce was invented. He was trying to recreate some Indian shit, not Asian fish sauce. Asian food was universally reviled by everyone until Asians got western foods. There is no realy 'Asian' food, it's all westernized, no shit.

They were trying to use up British industrial waste as well, that's no shit. That's literally what Bovril and Vegemite are. Scrapings from the bottom of the barrel, literally.

Some starving Limey scraped the shit off the bottom of a beer barrel and put it on his one daily cracker and was like "Oi, dat's tasty guv-nuh!" boom new food is born.

[Anonymous No.14302389]

>>14301028
Because they found the rundlet too small and the other ones too big

[Anonymous No.14302395]

>>14302370
>Asian food was universally reviled by everyone until Asians got western foods. There is no realy 'Asian' food, it's all westernized, no shit.

You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.14302414]

>>14302370
>. Asian food was universally reviled by everyone until Asians got western foods. There is no realy 'Asian' food, it's all westernized

[Anonymous No.14302428]

>>14302332
>>14302370
>>14302389
>>14302414
what is garum

[Anonymous No.14302457]

>>14302370
I don't care about worthless worsted I'm talking about wine here

[Anonymous No.14302511]

>>14301484
Remember to store prepared food not in barrels or pots.

[Anonymous No.14302523]

>>14301046
kys

[Anonymous No.14302530]

>>14302395
>>14302414
He's right, Asian food was universally reviled by everyone until Asians got western foods. There is no realy 'Asian' food, it's all westernized

[Anonymous No.14302634]

>>14302428
>Jeopardy fag
But for real this guy's right

[Anonymous No.14302986]

>>14302395
>>14302414
>>14302530
There is literally no such thing as 'Asian' food. It's shit food, stuff you eat in a famine.
Eating dogs and bugs is not cuisine, it's what you do when you're starving.

'Asian' food is for retards trying to be cosmopolitan.

Notice how the Japanese spend most of their culinary efforts on Western food, they have no native cuisine. Raw fish and rice is not a cuisine.

[Anonymous No.14302990]

>>14301028
cause they couldn't drink everything in 1 day

[Anonymous No.14303075]

>>14302428
garum tastes awful compared to worchestershire sauce.

[Anonymous No.14303097]

>>14301028
>"He that ys a gawner owght to understonde there ys in a tunne lx systerns and every systern ys iiii galons be yt wyne or oylle."

I hope that clears it up.

[Anonymous No.14303113]

lol pipe in butt

[Anonymous No.14303150]

>>14303113
Thats it! Go to the principals office.

[Anonymous No.14303165]

>>14301909
I'm a historylet, but I'm curious.
Why did they make those things in such a manner that they couldn't stand on their own?
I'm also a potterylet, but I kind of assume it would be fairly simple to make a broad flat base on those things.

Pic unrelated, but it does have a barrel in it.
With today's wooden barrel prices that outfit is a lost more expensive than a suit from Goodwill, funnily enough.

[Anonymous No.14303184]

>>14301028
plastic and refrigerators haven't always been around.

[Anonymous No.14303194]

>>14301484
>not using rock pots

[Anonymous No.14303262]

>>14302370
>>14302530
>>14302986
Retard samefag. Reiterating the same wrong statement doesn't make it true. Read any book from ancient china and stop acting like a fool. Ever heard of spaghetti? Confucius wrote about many different trad foods some of which I got to try during my time in rural China. If you ever get the chance to leave your mothers basement try millet soup, mutton noodle, rice flour pheasant, and everyone's favorite dog. pol is raising seriously stupid people ffs.

[Anonymous No.14303379]

>>14303262
dog meat is shit.

[Anonymous No.14303393]

>>14303165
>big loopies for carrying that could easily be used for hanging on a hook or a rope
>guys why can't it stand up?

[Anonymous No.14303410]

>>14303165
>>14303393
>literally displayed on the replica of a ship's hold where they fit perfectly

[Anonymous No.14303426]

>>14303393
>>14303410
Yes, I know. They made the environment accommodate the amphora instead of the other way around.
I'm asking why.
You can have the "loopies" on something with a nice flat base too and then you can put it down anywhere instead of only in places designed with it in mind.
So once again; why did they not make these things so they could stand on their own?
Was it just for saving space?

[Anonymous No.14303605]

>>14303426
>Yes, I know. They made the environment accommodate the amphora instead of the other way around.
They did not. These things are meant to be transported by ship and the ship had very limited flat surfaces. Everything was curved.

The ship was made for the sea and the amphora for the ship
you're right on the money about saving space.

[Anonymous No.14303655]

>>14301028
Rundlets, when will they learn?

[Anonymous No.14303941]

>>14303165
They’re probably more secure in that holder then they would be with a flat bottom standing on their own

[Anonymous No.14304083]

>>14303426
>>14303165
Just guessing here but maybe because these things are heavy, and if they were stable it would be hard to tip them over to pour out the wine or grain.

[Anonymous No.14304094]

>>14303426
Wikipedia told me the pointy bottom was used as a third handle.

[Anonymous No.14304095]

>>14301046
based

[Anonymous No.14304113]

>>14304094
Wikipedia's is fake and you should be ashamed

[Anonymous No.14304476]

>>14301028
cuz coopers gotta coop

once ya start you can't stop

[Anonymous No.14304550]

>>14302370
>"Oi, dat's tasty guv-nuh!"
Kek

[Anonymous No.14304608]

>>14301944
From what I've read you're basically right. We developed a taste for alcohol because when fruits have fermented they are easier to digest, and so our chimp ancestors sought them out. Makes sense that once we developed the technology of containers we put a bunch of fruit in there, let it ferment, maybe mash it up some and bam an alcoholic drink.

[Anonymous No.14306088]

>>14301028
wtf else would they age it in?

[Anonymous No.14306098]

>>14301028
but /pol/ told me wood cant be air tight

[Anonymous No.14306117]

>>14306098
Allows proper amount of breathing

[Anonymous No.14306182]

>>14301028
>Why did humans start aging shit in barrels?
Bad weather half of the year.
Preserving foods for the rough months.
Water is always contaminated. Alcohol and vinegar are both excellent to have on hand.

Some people used clay, others used gourds, others used bladders or guts, leather, like that. Wood imparts bad flavors of sap. Later people used glass, but it was originally expensive Italian tuff, far more expensive than porcelain, bone china, pottery.
Wood only became a really miraculous thing when a coopersmith charred the inside (to warm and curve the wood?), and then when you take the char too far, the wine and such inside got great flavors.
No one know when or why the miraculous disocovery actually happened, but it can be documented in use back to the 1500s

Why is charred wood aging so good for something other than storage? If it's going to sit for a while, it seemed to get some wood sugars adding flavor only accessible after a lot of time, a layer of partially charred sugars just underneath the surface char. That's a happy accident. It was just harvest that lasted beyond a season. Having loss of alcohol (angel's share) was avoided, meant less booze, so long aging was not the ideal.

[Anonymous No.14306542]

>>14301028
>aging shit in barrels
Is this a pajeet thing?

[Anonymous No.14306585]

>>14306098
If you are referring to the holocaust, wood can't be airtight when you have a 5 inch gap below the door.

And wood barrels are not air tight, they are supposed to let gas made in the fermentation escape so it doesn't blow up, they create positive air pressure from the inside so nothing gets in.

Not that a leftist retard would know or understand any of this, science is not their forte, they would rather learn about how "black people and women invented everything but then it got stolen by the white devils" as a career path.

[Anonymous No.14306757]

shut the fuck up, rundlet

[Anonymous No.14307540]

>>14306098
if the point was to use airtight containers they would just bottle and bunker it

[Anonymous No.14307970]

>>14301028
>Having a rundlet

[Anonymous No.14307979]

>>14301484
I miss when you could have dorfffort threads on /v/ and /vg/ without people sperging out over the UI

[Anonymous No.14308087]

>>14301028
>Why did humans start aging
things just age by themselves, humans don't do anything

[Anonymous No.14308643]

[Anonymous No.14308705]

>>14304094
I'll use your pointy bottom as a third handle.

[Anonymous No.14308715]

>>14303165
Flat bottoms are more likely to crack around the edge under stress. Rounded edges are more durable.

[Anonymous No.14310266]

>>14307979
>on /v/
yeah i agree
>on /vg/
i miss how comfy /dfg/ was, truly was the last bastion of normal chill 4chan before the newfags took over.
Now it cant even exist cuz /vg/ may as fucking well be Mobile Phone JPG Gambling: The Board.
Pity that the fastest board on 4chan now is the fucking /vg/ thanks to advertising spam and Gatchafags feeling the need to have 6 different general threads up for Fate:GO.