Given the choice, would you choose lab grown meat over factory farmed meat if it cost the same?

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Anonymous Thu Mar 5 10:59:05 2020 No.13747432 [Reply] [Original]

Given the choice, would you choose lab grown meat over factory farmed meat if it cost the same?

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:08:45 2020 No.13747457

I think if it cost the same, it'd more be a matter of taste, composition, and nutritional value. Would really depend on the cut, too. Can they accurately reproduce the same kind of marbling you get in natural cuts of beef? Or is it just blobby chunks of lean beef that's good for nothing but hamburger meat?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:09:20 2020 No.13747458 >>13747432 no wtf. screw that artificial soy garbage. I want meat

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:15:04 2020 No.13747473 >>13747458 Stupid post

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:15:41 2020 No.13747474 >>13747432 No, as a human I am part of nature, and lab-grown meat is not nature.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:18:18 2020 No.13747476 >>13747474 t. men in bear-skin shirts If it doesn't have any deleterious effects, I'm down. That and it must provide the same macros.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:22:11 2020 No.13747481 >>13747458 >>13747474 while I had previously imagined /tv/ and /v/ to be the dumbest boards, even the slower boards are starting to see their posters' average IQ descend to about 75

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:25:16 2020 No.13747486 >>13747481 IQ is just a meme statistic anyways that only measures intelligence accurately among people of the same age due to scaling. Averaging IQ for large diverse groups of people gives out wonky results.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:33:18 2020 No.13747511 >>13747474 >factory farming is nature Brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:34:37 2020 No.13747516 >>13747458 Lab grown meat isn't made plants...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:35:36 2020 No.13747519 Lab grown meat that tastes the same will undoubtedly be cheaper as it'll be less expensive to 'farm' it, so yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:38:09 2020 No.13747530 >>13747519 I'm aware of that but the premise is would you choose it if it were a fair choice between the two?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:41:09 2020 No.13747547 >>13747530 Sure. I'm something of a sappy animal lover myself, so given the alternative that doesn't compromise I'll happy switch over to it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:43:43 2020 No.13747557 oh yeah I trust random soyentists to make balls of meat the same way tumors are made from cancerous cells

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:45:06 2020 No.13747560 >>13747432 if they can grow meat in a lab why can't they just grow cow feed in a lab?

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:45:09 2020 No.13747561

>>13747432

I'd choose lab grown. I've personally raised and then gone on to slaughter and butcher steers and cows. They aren't particularly smart creatures, but they don't deserve to be essentially tortured for their entire existence. I try to avoid factory farmed meat currently since I'm aware of what the conditions are like. Lab grown just means costs will be less prohibitive since I'm not having to buy $12/lb chuck from the khumbaya farm outside of town.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:46:51 2020 No.13747569 >>13747561 >I've personally raised [...] steers and cows >they don't deserve to be essentially tortured for their entire existence maybe don't torture them?

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:49:38 2020 No.13747588

>>13747569

I'm referring to conditions on factory farms. We gave our herd about the best life they could have had. That was my point about why I swing for the expensive hippy shit now. I'm paying a premium to know the meat I'm getting came from animals raised and slaughtered the way I would have and have done myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:51:24 2020 No.13747601 >>13747432 I'll eat real meat from an actual animal and not lab grown abominations thank you very much.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:52:47 2020 No.13747610 >>13747432 lab grown >b-but it's not natural!! Neither is factory farming, dipshit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:52:55 2020 No.13747611 File: 362 KB, 1362x907, Screenshot_2020-03-05-07-17-48_crop_22~2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] They're both gross

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:53:41 2020 No.13747614

>>13747432
I don't see the point of lab grown meat.

The fact is this: As far as I know, like, sure, getting the cell biopsy from the cow doesn't harm the animal, but feeding it to grow requires huge amounts of fetal bovine serum. And as far as I know, in order to acquire said serum, you need to kill a pregnant cow and remove her unborn baby while it's still alive and pump fluids from it.

So you have to kill a cow and torture a newborn calf for an indeterminate amount of time just to get this patty that they haven't yet made suitable for human consumption and as far as I can tell still hasn't even gotten bigger than an ounce.

It's pointless animal torture. So yeah, I'm completely against lab grown meat. I'd much rather eat a cow that just had a good, healthy, stress free life eating it's natural diet on rotated, holistically mob grazed (i.e replicating it's natural behaviors in the wild) pasture. This method of raising livestock has proven to not only be an efficient use of land (some places actually are able to get 1 million pounds of livestock per acre out of this), it also is incredibly beneficial for the enviornment, since you don't overgraze because you keep the cows moving and allow the land to rest and the manure and urine to soak into the soil and feed the microbes to help the land create fertile topsoil.

In fact I wan't research on this lab grown meat to cease immediately. If what I heard was true this is some horrific, completely unethical level of experimentation that serves no real purpose.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:54:09 2020 No.13747617 >>13747457 Entire hunks of cow with the head and brain not grown.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:56:14 2020 No.13747625 >>13747432 I’m an old fashion kinda guy. I like my meat from dead animals, my vaginas to not be made out of an inside out penis, and my babies not aborted.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:57:18 2020 No.13747629 >>13747486 IQ only gives wonky results once you start measuring people over 100. IQ being a meme statistic is unironically lefty jargon because africans average within the range of legal retardation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 11:58:46 2020 No.13747633 >>13747432 Cow and pork yes Chicken I would actively go out of my way to pay a premium to slaughter my own. Chicken are brain dead cunts

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 12:09:47 2020 No.13747673

>>13747432
Only if it is cheaper. WTF is the point if they cost the same? Might as well get the real deal.

It's like all the vegan burgers coming out but costing more. Even if they were the same price, they can fuck off. Would anyone pay the same for Niko trainers as they would for Nike trainers? No.

Why is it that every "ethical" product tries to be on the shelves of Whole Foods, rather than appealing to the mass market to actually do good? It's because of the $.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 12:19:27 2020 No.13747699 >>13747673 I don't think you've really had a proper look at meat alternatives if you think all of it is more expensive. Some of it actually is cheaper, just not as realistic as Beyond or Impossible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 12:31:16 2020 No.13747770 No. That would remove the sacrificial satisfaction of eating meat

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 12:38:36 2020 No.13747795

>>13747629
>IQ being a meme statistic is unironically lefty jargon because africans average within the range of legal retardation.

It's odd that Anti-science white people are scared to study racial & genetic differences.

Chinese researchers have already done hundreds of studies on why African brains are
smaller & volume & how it affects mental functions & ability. Unlike retarded 'mericans, based Chinese believe in science... not feelings.

White people love to say niggers are gentically different and have big dicks, but avoid talking about the flip side of the same coin, which is smaller brain capacity and propensity towards violence.

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 15:55:20 2020 No.13748587

>>13747795
You're saying blacks from Africa have smaller brains and are dumber but at the same time your post comes across as something a lefty would say, with the snide "whites are afraid of science" when the science, according to you and the Chinese, proves African blacks have less gray matter in their skulls.
What are you really getting at?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 15:58:17 2020 No.13748600 File: 43 KB, 750x467, 1013F03D-EB4D-4693-9D44-BF076D1AF575.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13748587 Your mindless word salad isn’t fooling anyone. You’re just whistlin’ Dixie.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 16:07:40 2020 No.13748635 >>13748600 Lefties aren't anti science, they're all nutjob atheists. They bury these reports that conclude what you wrote.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 18:45:33 2020 No.13749359 >>13747432 Lab grown meat wouldn't have bone, fat and other tissue that I use for cooking

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 18:46:50 2020 No.13749362 >>13747617 Technology for that does not exist

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 18:51:01 2020 No.13749381 Yes but only if they add vitamins and omega 3 acids

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 19:07:28 2020 No.13749454

>>13747432
Cost is a factor but for me I'm not fond of the nutritional differences in it currently. It has no iron or fat. They try to spin that as a good thing but I don't buy it. If it was nutritionally the same, I'd eat it though. I think it's pretty interesting and the chance to have meat without killing should probably be viewed as a good thing, though with some healthy skepticism until it's proven to be just as nutritious and safe.

>>13747474
Get off the internet then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 19:18:22 2020 No.13749499 File: 194 KB, 240x232, 2wx3AcN.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13748587 I think he's trying to be racist against white people and black people at the same time. I don't like it. I don't like being mixed with blacks even when being mocked.

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 19:27:16 2020 No.13749539

>>13747795
>Unlike retarded 'mericans, based Chinese believe in science
it's kind of dumb to group m/billions of people into one category like that. for everyone american who thinks crystals will cure autism you have chinese people eating rhino horn to make their dicks work or whatever.

>>	SUBMIT Fri Mar 6 00:21:33 2020 No.13750622 >>13747432 No, because lab grown meat is LITERALLY a Jewish invention and I don't trust Israelites.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 04:27:04 2020 No.13751366 No God gave us the animals. God also says that vegans should not shit on meat eaters and meat eaters should not shit on vegans.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 04:28:12 2020 No.13751370 >>13747432 Piss off with your agenda and sell your broccoli.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 04:31:19 2020 No.13751383 >>13750622 One fucked up thing is that they get the USA to do their R&D for them so rip us off, it's pretty damn fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 04:37:24 2020 No.13751400 File: 247 KB, 760x572, denton_snickers.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13750622 >>13751383 >da juice

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 04:41:57 2020 No.13751407 >>13751400 Gotta admit that these twats with their stupid agenda is more pathetic than one can shake a stick at.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 04:43:52 2020 No.13751413 File: 67 KB, 406x582, Cazl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13747432 I already eat Lab grown meat tho.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 04:45:33 2020 No.13751417 >>13747432 here's an idea you fucking labcoat wearing retards just raise more cows

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 04:46:56 2020 No.13751421 pelosi, schmucky schumer, and the cunts in taxachusetts and texas with their democrat agendas are just downright pathetic, they make me want to puke!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 04:47:29 2020 No.13751422 >>13747432 If taste and texture are the same (or better), then of course

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 04:47:40 2020 No.13751424 >>13751417 That wont work for them, they have an agenda to push.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 05:02:35 2020 No.13751452 >>13747625 Fuckin THIS

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 05:43:53 2020 No.13751554 >>13747457 in a perfect world, yes and in that world ill buy lab grown meat

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 06:00:52 2020 No.13751585 >>13751554 Of course you would and you'd suck cock as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 06:07:36 2020 No.13751593 >>13751417 Lifetime emissions from cows are terrible. Trying to find alternative ways to gettin beef is a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 06:11:48 2020 No.13751600 >>13747432 I mean l don’t believe in the plants that they splice with bacteria to have 10% more of a nutrient to be healthy. I’d just eat a little more if I want that so I definitely wouldn’t consider that frankenmeat

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 06:30:35 2020 No.13751639 >>13747614 >feeding it to grow requires huge amounts of fetal bovine serum That's an issue they've been working on, it just wasn't as important yet. But last I heard they were getting closer to a replacement for the serum.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 06:48:52 2020 No.13751665 >>13747432 Farmed meat just to spite faggots like OP.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 06:52:48 2020 No.13751671 >>13751593 Why? Do you have some vegan agenda to push?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 06:54:03 2020 No.13751675 >>13751593 If you don't want "lifetime emmissions" then you might want to just kill yourself and stop pushing your shit agenda.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 06:54:45 2020 No.13751680 >>13747432 Yeah as long as it tastes good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 06:56:13 2020 No.13751686 File: 339 KB, 1080x1350, 1528099086366-Needs_Cheeseburgers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] MOO!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 06:57:13 2020 No.13751688 >>13751593 Are you a faggot bernie clinton type?

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 07:40:03 2020 No.13751776

You'd have to be retarded to eat lab grown meat. Every science experiment that has made it into the food supply has turned out to cause chronic disease. Modern pseudofood has a very bad track record.

Due to no immune system it will be sprayed with antibiotics and antifungals. It will have no real nutrition.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 08:30:59 2020 No.13751881 >>13747557 Based crackpot luddite.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 08:46:02 2020 No.13751907

>>13747432
There more to this than that simple choice (get rid of meat and dairy and I guarantee you that the countryside where I live will be paved over in no time), but I see no problem with lab-grown meat by itself. But only if it is 1:1 same, no added bullshit or changes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:13:05 2020 No.13751957 >>13747457 Basically this

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:26:23 2020 No.13751978 >>13751593 Can you explain why without parroting talking points like an NPC robot.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:29:44 2020 No.13751985

>>13751671
>>13751675
>>13751688
>triggered so hard you need samefag to vent your anger
Im not even american and I practically eat meat every day. Doesn't mean I'm blind towards environmental impact and animal cruelty. I try to limit beef consumption and buy free range meats. Of course I'm aware those things are far from perfect, but in the long run it helps.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:31:20 2020 No.13751989 >>13751978 Cows are an incredibly inefficient lifestock to keep. That's pretty much common knowledge, don't need be a vegan loonie to know this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:33:10 2020 No.13751995 >>13751989 So you can't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:37:06 2020 No.13752002 >>13751995 Are you retarded? Literally just google cows and c02 emissions. I'd recommend peer reviewed articles, but you're probably too dumb to understand them. Or you're trolling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:37:45 2020 No.13752004 >>13752002 It's your argument. If it's so obvious then why can't you explain it without resorting to insults?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:38:59 2020 No.13752008 >>13751995 >>13751978 >I will ignore scientific facts because people with a different political agenda agree with them Holy fuck Americans are retarded

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:43:05 2020 No.13752012 >>13752004 Doesn't work like that. There is no burden of proof when talking about common knowledge. But I'll handhold you a little. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2019/11/18/are-my-hamburgers-hurting-planet/?arc404=true

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:45:31 2020 No.13752019 >>13752012 lol the guy will probably complain that it is not posted by respectable media sources such as breitbart or infowars, just wait

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:46:21 2020 No.13752024 >>13752019 Oh I don't doubt it. Can't win with those people

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:47:20 2020 No.13752025 >>13752012 >read peer reviewed articles >wapo All my keks >>13752019 Gee why would you ever think that!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:49:59 2020 No.13752032 >>13752012 Lol your article is citing a study made by a vegan church. Fuck off shill.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:50:01 2020 No.13752033 >>13752025 Then go on sciencedirect, jstor, etc. and find it yourself. Oh wait, you're not interested in facts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:54:09 2020 No.13752044 >>13752033 All I've asked is for you to explain why emissions from cows are terrible. If this is obvious common knowledge why can't you explain it in brief summary without feeling personally attacked?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:56:15 2020 No.13752052 >>13752044 Read the article, it's all explained there. I don't feel like greentexting it here because the article is short and it's explained well. But we both know you're never gonna read it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:56:54 2020 No.13752057 >>13752052 Then I'm not buying into your made up propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:56:55 2020 No.13752058 >>13752044 Cows are inefficient sources of protein because they require a significant amount of resources such as food, land and water to efficiently produce. Moreover, they produce a ton of methane, a very powerful greenhouse gas.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:00:57 2020 No.13752075 >>13752057 Had no illusions I could make you see reason anyway. You being retarded and all that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:02:55 2020 No.13752085 File: 28 KB, 539x317, 3Ucaeps_d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13752058 Oh no, the cows are stealing all our rainwater.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:04:27 2020 No.13752091

>>13752058
Would lab producing this meat actually be better for the environment than proper farming practices though?

And please spell it out for me truly like I've never been through a science class before: how can cows fart enough methane to change the climate? We're not talking about gasses being released from beneath ice sheets or refining crude oil and releasing trapped gasses. Are you saying that allowing cows into the world releases so much methane that it's going to raise the world wide temperature?
>>13752075
How could you if you haven't expressed any reasoning for your talking point?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:05:01 2020 No.13752094 Never understood why americans are so reluctant to give up a little beef in exchange for chicken or pork.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:06:39 2020 No.13752098 >>13752091 You're trolling mate because if you had even glanced at the article you'd know it's very short and non technical. It also has links to relevant studies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:07:35 2020 No.13752101 File: 15 KB, 293x281, 1448467608249.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13752075 >makes excuses by either being lazy or too stupid to make an argument. >links garbage source U are even more retarded than a standard vegan, kys.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:12:04 2020 No.13752112

>>13752098
You linked to a Washington Post article that cites vegans. I already don't believe a word of it. What would make me confident in the idea that cow farts are causing global warming and that lab grown meat is better for the environment than good husbandry is if the people pushing these ideas were able to quickly and easily give even the slightest explanation of these things. Just asking, "Why?", is taken as an attack and is responded to with insults. If the purpose was to educate and improve the world then why does asking questions cause such extreme hysteria and no explanation?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:13:44 2020 No.13752116 >>13752112 You are not allowed to question cult ideology. That's why.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:17:50 2020 No.13752126

>>13752112
Not him, but people are getting fed up with climate change denial. So in the unlikely event someone isn't being disingenuous and is legitimately asking a simple question it's often done away with as trolling. Can't say it's entirely unexpected or unwarrented for that matter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:23:49 2020 No.13752141 Vegans are domesticated subhumans who need no proof for what they believe. They will have blind faith in anything their master tells them. That is why they get so flustered and aggressive when you ask for evidence.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:25:09 2020 No.13752149

>>13752091
Methane as a greenhouse gas is 28 times more potent than carbon dioxide, so yes. Approximately 44% of human caused methane emission (which is more than half of the total emissions) is caused by livestock, of which 60% is caused by cattle. 15% of total human caused greenhouse gas emissions is caused by livestock. You can downplay it, but it is certainly a factor in which we as humans have to make adjustments to prevent disastrous climate change. This by itself is also not considering the inefficient land usage for producing cattle, and the results of mass deforestation as to feed livestock. Unfortunately I'm not a scientist so I have no idea how big the impact of lab grown meat is going to be, but for it to be economically viable in the first place it will require significantly less use of resources.
>>13752085
what exactly are you trying to prove with this? I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:26:17 2020 No.13752153 >>13751593 I am pretty sure "lifetime emissions" from humans are far more dangerous to our survival. Get rid of half of the human population and everything will be okay.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:27:37 2020 No.13752158 >>13747511 Who was talking about factory farming. Not me. Are you by any chance schizophrenic? Must be, if you' re hearing voices.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:28:38 2020 No.13752161 >>13747481 +1 liked and upvoted. Don' t forget to subscribe!

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:31:48 2020 No.13752170
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Here's a short video that debunks every vegan lie about meat. It covers exactly the lies being told right now in this thread. Key points:

- Most land used for grazing can't be used for crops
- Methane is part of a cycle and doesn't contribute to global warming
- Animals are fed waste products humans can't eat

>Why We Should Be Eating MORE Meat, Not Less (The full story in 15 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxW-JKLeu1k

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:34:00 2020 No.13752178 File: 75 KB, 1280x720, mpv-shot0006.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13752126 >stop eating locally farmed meat goyim >buy tropical fruit transported worldwide on fossil fuel burning ships

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:38:14 2020 No.13752192

>>13752149
You're a deceiving cultist and here is why:

>15% of total human caused greenhouse gas emissions is caused by livestock
According to a 15 year old flawed study.
https://clippings.ilri.org/2019/01/27/fao-sets-the-record-straight-on-flawed-livestock-emission-comparisons-and-the-livestock-livelihoods-on-the-line/

>Methane as a greenhouse gas is 28 times more potent than carbon dioxide
It's also extremely shortlived and according to the newest GWP* calculations, has been overestimated by 7-8 times.

>mass deforestation
When you don't cherrypick Brazil, cattle ranching is only 12% of global deforestation, most of it comes from subsistence agriculture and commercial cropping. We use less forest land for pastures than we did 50 years ago.
https://unfccc.int/files/essential_background/background_publications_htmlpdf/application/pdf/pub_07_financial_flows.pdf

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:39:36 2020 No.13752197 File: 13 KB, 480x360, graph.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13752178 what is the point of this unlabeled sourceless graph?

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:41:24 2020 No.13752204

>>13752112
Firstly, discounting a scientific argument because of the diet of someone seems rather immature. If you're able to discount their argument based on facts and logic, then I'll accept your non-believing without a doubt.
Secondly, you talk about "good husbandry", which is only a fraction of the actual livestock industry simply because it is not economically viable. People expect being able to get a burger for a dollar, even though you could never produce a meat that cheap through good husbandry. To prevent too big of an impact on the environment we as humanity have to look for an alternative to "traditional" and "factory" kinds of animal protein production.
>>13752170
"can't be used for crops" is a terrible argument in itself. What happens is mass defoliation and deforestation just to get enough land for grazing cattle. Let alone the fact that it is only a fraction of cattle that is produced using this "traditional method"
>methane is part of a cycle
yes it is, of course, such as many other elements. bringing this cycle out of balance which is happening by mass livestock farming is causing massive environmental problems
>animals are fed waste products
Partially, sure.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:53:56 2020 No.13752243

>>13752204
I discount vegan propaganda, because they are a cult that promotes almost exclusively falsehoods to fit their agenda. The supposed benefits of lab grown meat are only worthwhile if all or most meat comes from a lab, so that's why I'm asking about it in relation to good husbandry. If properly raising livestock is just as good for the environment, then we should be pushing for all farming to be done that way instead of pushing lab grown meat. Unless, there is some other agenda behind the lab grown meat.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:58:07 2020 No.13752251

>>13752204
You're a useful idiot attacking beef production for no reason other than you are a trained attack dog with a similar level of intelligence.

Good goy.

https://blog.globalforestwatch.org/commodities/forests-falling-fast-to-make-way-for-mexican-avocado

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:59:48 2020 No.13752254 >>13752251 Bro the avocados are all grown to feed cows, I swear.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:00:18 2020 No.13752257

>>13752192
I don't understand why you have to resort to personal attacks. The numbers I used are pulled from the UN food and agriculture website. Your article does nothing to prove those numbers wrong, just explain why it can't be compared to transport because of the poor African farmers who most likely only make up a miniscule fraction of cattle production.
>Methane is shortlived
enough reasons why we should act sooner rather than later. The GWP of 28 is based on a long term potential, it causes even more damage on the short term
>has been overestimated
mind giving a source here?
>cattle ranching is only 12% of global deforestation
Grazing land or also including food sources used in factory farming?
I'm not going to read through a 273 page long source for a 4chan discussion, but if we can mitigate 12% by using lab grown meat, then why wouldn't we?
>>13752243
You know that it is basically impossible to traditionally farm enough livestock for 7 billion people, right? What agenda would be even pushed here? The evil anti carnie agenda? I'm here to discuss environmental impact of livestock, not dumb conspiracies

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:00:54 2020 No.13752259

>>13752243
If people switched to entirely lab grown meat there would be no way to regenerate soil depleted by growing crops.

Animals are absolutely essential to sustainable agriculture.

Vegans are NPCs programmed to advocate for whatever is most profitable for megacorporations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:01:40 2020 No.13752262 >>13752251 >criticizing beef = eating avocados cringe

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:03:03 2020 No.13752265 >>13752262 Veganism destroys the environment and mass murders animals. The only reason people advocate it is because they are useful idiots.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:03:25 2020 No.13752267 >>13752251 as you are apparently more aware of my reasoning than I am myself, why is it not the case that you are just as well a useful idiot for the meat lobbyists? You think it's only small mom and pop businesses producing meat?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:04:37 2020 No.13752270 >>13752265 do you even believe what you are writing or do you just think you're trolling the evil leftist bernie shills

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:05:25 2020 No.13752271 >>13752267 >my reasoning You're incapable of reason.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:05:51 2020 No.13752272 >>13752265 You missed my point anon...

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:07:26 2020 No.13752275 >>13752272 Avocadaos are vegan. The only reason vegans single out meat is because it is the least profitable product for megacorporations. They are useful idiot subhumans.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:09:37 2020 No.13752281 File: 151 KB, 1280x720, 7 VEGAN RECIPES WITH AVOCADO!🥑Yovana-qncLPDcYxro.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST POINT OUT VEGAN HYPOCRISY >7 VEGAN RECIPES WITH AVOCADO! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qncLPDcYxro

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:10:23 2020 No.13752284 >>13752271 am I? Then why do I keep trying to reason with you? Or are you just saying this because you can pat yourself on the back now?

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:13:52 2020 No.13752294
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>>13752284
Repeating vegan talking points on a loop like a chatbot isn't reason.

I have given you a 15 minute video to watch. You completely ignored it.

>Why We Should Be Eating MORE Meat, Not Less (The full story in 15 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxW-JKLeu1k

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:33:39 2020 No.13752348 >>13752294 your video is a fucking joke which doesn't even use scientific citations. Why the fuck should I sit through this bullshit when you refuse to read any peer-reviewed studies on the subject yourself?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:33:54 2020 No.13752351 >>13747432 no, having somewhat of an authentic relationship with the natural order is a part of what makes living worth it

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:34:05 2020 No.13752352

>>13747432
There's a video on the process and I think the company released a photo of the lab grown meat.

I liked it, I would buy that meat. Its grow from a feather from the chicken, not any stranger than keeping 90 percent of the species on the planet for MY TASTE BUDS EEEE

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:35:59 2020 No.13752360 >>13747432 No, because it costs the same. Make it cheaper and have the same nutritional profile

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:39:00 2020 No.13752371 >>13752257 >REEEEEEEEE you found out about my illegitimate lies, let me make excuses why they are still valid instead if using corrected data. Topkek, I bet you brainwashed moron also believe that soybeans are primarily grown to feed cattle.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:42:13 2020 No.13752377 >>13752371 If this corrected data exists, embraced by the scientific community, then why did you not give me a source on it instead of making this post?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:46:47 2020 No.13752391 File: 68 KB, 729x419, Jbig7ag.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13752377 I know you weasels too well. You will either try to deny it exists or repeat your lies 5 minuts after they have been debunked.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:56:46 2020 No.13752418
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>>13752377
>embraced by the scientific community
Typical vegan NPC.

The doctor who pioneered hand washing was rejected by the "scientific community".

>The weight of authority stood against his teachings. He addressed several open letters to professors of medicine in other countries, but to little effect. At a conference of German physicians and natural scientists, most of the speakers—including the pathologist Rudolf Virchow—rejected his doctrine.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ignaz-Semmelweis

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:05:10 2020 No.13752442

>>13752391
>>13752418
I'm still waiting for the facts here. What are you even trying to say? I'm not even a vegan myself, nor does it even matter. I'm just wondering where you pulled the data from which you can't even back up. I'm sure this 1850's anecdote proves any argument I've made wrong though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:08:05 2020 No.13752454 >>13752418 Nice fallacy there anon. Might want to read up on rhetoric instead of collecting wojaks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:14:24 2020 No.13752487 >>13752454 >pointing out an appeal to authority is a fallacy

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:20:52 2020 No.13752511

>>13752487
because asking for a factual backing to someone's claim is an appeal to authority. If you want to prove a point you post a respectable source, not some random poorly sourced blog post. You wouldn't accept the same on my behalf either.

I'm still waiting for the data by the way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:28:47 2020 No.13752538 >>13752511 I don’t need to give you evidence! Just talk to my friends at /pol/ they will give you all the based and redpilled infographs you want so I can post my wojaks! Shadilay, praise kek!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:35:22 2020 No.13752568 >>13752511 You didn't ask for facts. You asked for something "embraced by the scientific community".

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:37:09 2020 No.13752579 >>13752197 USDA and EPA maintain similar records. Agriculture represents less than 20% of our greenhouse gas emissions and livestock, effectively, 8% on the whole.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:38:10 2020 No.13752581 >>13752568 So facts to you means “evidence that I like” rather than the results of testing.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:43:05 2020 No.13752603

>>13752568
>GIVE ME FACTS

They have been posted several times but you deluded fool keep on making excuses.
>>13752192
>>13752257

You said:
>15% of total human caused greenhouse gas emissions is caused by livestock

The article says
>By comparison, direct emissions from livestock account for 2.3 gigatons of CO2 equivalent, or 5% of the total. They consist of methane and nitrous oxide from rumen digestion and manure management.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:50:13 2020 No.13752628 >>13747432 I would rather eat insects and arachnida than lab grown meat.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:04:04 2020 No.13752727

>>13752568
I'm sorry my choice of words has offended you. So could you please post factual evidence?

>>13752603
http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/197623/icode/
this article by the fao which your article refers to uses my numbers though?

Anyhow, the thing I've been asking for is the claim that you made about methane being overestimated according to recent studies. I still haven't gotten a source on this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:14:09 2020 No.13752783 Methane isn't causing global warming. Transportation is the biggest cause of greenhouse gas emissions. Attacking the most nutritious source of food for humans isn't motivated by concern over global warming.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:14:38 2020 No.13752786 >>13752727 Because 4chan won't take the link. "Improved calculation of warming-equivalent emissions for short-lived climate pollutants" TLDR methane is short-lived so it doesn't really accumulate in the atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:26:25 2020 No.13752830 >NOOO YOU CAN'T EAT REGERATIVELY RAISED MEAT THAT IMPROVES THE ENVIRONMENT >YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO EAT HIGHLY PROCESSED BRAND NAME PRODUCTS http://blog.whiteoakpastures.com/blog/carbon-negative-grassfed-beef

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:32:22 2020 No.13752855 >>13747458 American education

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:33:35 2020 No.13752862 >>13747486 Is that how we are attributing lower black IQ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:37:19 2020 No.13752879 >>13752783 What's it motivated by?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:37:35 2020 No.13752881 >>13747673 If you remove the absurd cost of subsidies that the meat industry enjoys then Beyond and Impossible are cheaper by a wide margin.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:37:58 2020 No.13752882

>>13752786
Thanks for the information, it's very interesting to read. I was not aware that methane is relatively harmless on a long term scale, though to truly mitigate the effects and not keep an elevated level of methane in the atmosphere we have to lower the output in the long term.

Either way, this is only a slight part about the inefficiency of meat when it comes to food production, and not really a case against lab grown meat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:38:11 2020 No.13752883 >>13752830 Calm down dude

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:38:15 2020 No.13752884 File: 308 KB, 763x857, ACUsixh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13752879 religion. https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/9/9/251/htm

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 13:40:45 2020 No.13752896 "Lab grown meat" is the last crutch of the carnicuck. Absolutely pathetic. >well I would go vegan if this miracle technology that made it so that I would have to sacrifice literally nothing to do so! see, I'm not a bad person! we're on the same team!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 14:02:09 2020 No.13752988 >>13752884 How would a christian (I guess? Idk what 7DA believe) come to the conclusion that God wants us to be vegetarian?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 14:04:52 2020 No.13753003 >>13752896 There is nothing wrong or bad about killing animals and eating them. Try harder vegan.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 14:07:02 2020 No.13753014
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>>13752988
The church was founded by an epileptic woman that believes she had visions from god that told her meat is responsible for cancer and masturbation.
They think that if we all adopt the garden of eden diet (which is vegan), Jesus will return. Not even joking. They own companies for fake meat and cereals.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 14:21:26 2020 No.13753077 >>13753014 I'm completely healthy with five kidney stones, it doesnt mean anything - says this anon.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:15:22 2020 No.13753501

>>13753014
This is why I do not trust any church. I did some good bible study at a non-denominational one, but those are still highly suspect unless they are extremely forthright in their mission and their services back up their claims that they aren't a cult in disguise.
>>13753077
What does not being vegan have to do with kidney stones?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:16:38 2020 No.13753505 >>13753003 It's only wrong if you have an alternative that provides you with the same exact product but no killing and you choose to continue killing anyway. Obviously lab-grown meat isn't at that point yet though, but I hope it gets there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:17:44 2020 No.13753510 >>13752881 Yeah it'd be nice if lab-grown meat becomes more viable and the current meat subsidies can be applied elsewhere which would bring down the cost of everything else.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:17:53 2020 No.13753512 >>13753505 No it's plain not wrong to kill and eat animals.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:19:26 2020 No.13753517 >>13753512 Explain why continuing to kill if you can have the same thing without killing is okay.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:24:54 2020 No.13753526 >>13753517 Because there is nothing wrong with killing animals to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:26:53 2020 No.13753531 >>13753526 >explain why it's not wrong >because Bad argument

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:27:13 2020 No.13753532 >>13752294 I don't get it. Should I be farting on my plants?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:28:41 2020 No.13753538 >>13753517 Kill or be killed is the way of life. Animals are not humans, they are BELOW us, cuntfag.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:31:17 2020 No.13753548 >>13753538 Thinking that's the ultimate way things will be forever is mistaken though. People aren't coming up with ways to cure diseases and extend lifespans because we want to keep death around.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:34:16 2020 No.13753555

>>13753548
>Thinking that's the ultimate way things will be forever is mistaken though.
How will this change. Are you saying another species is going to take over?
>People aren't coming up with ways to cure diseases and extend lifespans because we want to keep death around.
I don't know what this has to do with your first statement or who you're replying to.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 16:37:11 2020 No.13753568 >>13753532 You should be eating meat. Animals are an essential part of regenerative agriculture. If you're not eating meat, you're destroying the planet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 18:29:07 2020 No.13754055 >>13747432 hows the marbling on lab-grown meat?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 18:44:40 2020 No.13754104 >>13747432 Nothing wrong with the concept of lab-grown meat. I just don't trust startups of that type to not cut corners. I'd definitely jump the wagon if the prices are lower and the technology is more mature

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:16:05 2020 No.13754232 >>13753568 >saving the world, one big mac at a time! You're literally a parody of what you think you represent. Fucking hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:19:17 2020 No.13754245 >>13747432 If they have the same price, the same texture and the same taste and give the same nutrition with the same health risks... sure every time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:23:03 2020 No.13754260 >>13753501 Meat is associated with kidney stones, has nothing to do with veganism , because anyone can eat meat or plants

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:24:55 2020 No.13754268 >>13754260 >Meat is associated with kidney stones The same way vaccines are associated with autism which you clearly have you fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:35:30 2020 No.13754305 >>13754260 Kidney stones are oxalates which you ingest from plants. Stop lying, vegan scum.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:35:35 2020 No.13754306
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>>13751593
>bovine emissions
You do realize ruminant herbivores have carpeted most of the world for millennia?

Are you sure it's the cows and not tilling millions of acres, growing giant crop mono cultures and cheap globalized trade?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:37:06 2020 No.13754311 >>13754104 GTFO you hippy scum!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:37:54 2020 No.13754316 >>13754260 I thought sugar, lack of hydration, and plants like spinach and blueberries were associated with kidney stones.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:39:13 2020 No.13754324 >>13754104 There's nothing wrong with you sucking cock either you fucking hippy whack job?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:44:21 2020 No.13754349 >>13751593 >trying to discuss global warming with obese, depressed and suicidal /pol/ posters I always click on threads like these to see comments like yours and laugh on the replies. We are beyond salvation anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:45:14 2020 No.13754354 >>13751593 The we NEED to eat the cows anon otherwise they would just keep on brapping!!!!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 19:48:09 2020 No.13754369 >>13754354 Yes, we need to kill as many animals as possible. Wild animals also should be killed since they're destroying the planet according to vegans.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 20:50:59 2020 No.13754603 >>13747432 It wouldn’t cost the same because the environmental impacts would be much heavier I’ll take the real slaughtered retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 21:21:02 2020 No.13754721 >>13751593 >NOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN COW FARTERINOS You people exist?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 21:51:50 2020 No.13754816 Termites create more methane than cows. Should we be spraying pesticides in wilderness where termites live? To save the planet, of course.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 22:01:16 2020 No.13754852 File: 1.43 MB, 1280x718, vegeboys.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13747432 vegeheads have enough money to where they price it more than real beef.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 22:20:08 2020 No.13754927 >>13752855 the lab grown meat is multiplied using soy protein

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 10:58:02 2020 No.13756929 >>13747432 lab grown, wouldn't cost more lives

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:05:42 2020 No.13756948 File: 18 KB, 400x428, milkisgut.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13747432 Best way to enjoy your milk and it's even organic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 12:16:29 2020 No.13757175 >>13754816 I don't think we've purposely bred billions of termites.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 15:22:15 2020 No.13757890 >>13757175 Sure but we offset the purposely bred livestock by killing all the termites instead. We WANT the livestock but no one cares about termites. This is sound logic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:30:44 2020 No.13758875 >>13752158 Read the OP, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:32:39 2020 No.13758890 >>13747432 I wouldn't give a shit either way unless one was totally flavor deficient or gross. I let economics decide what meat I eat and it usually means whole chickens or ground turkey meat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:34:09 2020 No.13758899 >>13747432 Whore

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:57:19 2020 No.13759030 >>13748635 to be anything but agnostic or athiest is to be a nutjob

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:01:30 2020 No.13759049 >>13757890 Nothing you are saying is remotely sound logic

>>	SUBMIT Sat Mar 7 20:11:13 2020 No.13759082 >>13751400 Many of the meat labs are literally in Israel. There's promotional videos of scientists wearing kippahs. This isn't a conspiracy. http://archive.is/4EqTt

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:13:10 2020 No.13759091 >>13754354 There's nothing wrong with brapping and fapping.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:15:26 2020 No.13759101 >>13759082 A lot of california morons think everything is a conspiracy of flying saucers and lizard people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:16:24 2020 No.13759108 >>13759101 >implying lizard aliens dont run the world i live in florida btw

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:17:45 2020 No.13759114 >>13759108 I was born there so know better, just off of the Atlantic coast and you'll get plenty of flying saucers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:18:13 2020 No.13759117 File: 13 KB, 221x235, 1581659887253.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13747458 summer. ahhh.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:18:23 2020 No.13759119 >>13759108 Grow up some and move to NY from Florida.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:19:14 2020 No.13759126 >>13759117 Its not even Spring yet, unless maybe you're an Aussie.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:20:23 2020 No.13759140

>>13759119
i was born in NY and moved here as a teenager

never going back to that shithole

>>13759114
I unironically feel like I saw one today out in key west, might've been a blimp but it had no markings whatsoever and was moving way faster than blimps tend to do

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:22:52 2020 No.13759151 >>13759140 NYS is pretty cool, except for the stupid taxes the state is decent but NYC is full of crap especially with nigger bullshit running the politics there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:24:24 2020 No.13759158 >>13759140 Cuntjobs like bloomberg and di blasio are seriously full of shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:26:10 2020 No.13759164 Just remember bloomberg with his bullshit paying off the NYC counsil to get a a third term of office when that was against the city charter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:29:54 2020 No.13759185 If New York and California were divided both in half then we'd have an even number of states and congress people. It would be 52.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:33:12 2020 No.13759196 >>13759151 what is there to do in NY outside of NYC? I don't give a shit about politics

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:40:03 2020 No.13759229 >>13759196 Lockheed is upstate and we make airplanes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:42:09 2020 No.13759240 >>13759196 Long Island is pretty cool as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 20:43:43 2020 No.13759245 >>13759196 Nobody puts baby in the corner!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 03:31:19 2020 No.13760272 >>13747458 So, how much are you willing to bet that this anon brought up a meme when talking to a family member one day? I would have included friends but...who are we kidding to even entertain the idea that this anon has got friends?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 06:00:56 2020 No.13760646 >>13759049 Sacrificing X which is useless (to us) compared to Y and to keep making Y as we currently do is perfectly sound logic. It's merely a small sacrifice of no-value to keep high value.

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