/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.13641067]

Sorry ketotards!
your meme diet is shit

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/sorry-keto-fans-you-re-probably-not-in-ketosis?utm_source=pocket-newtab

[Anonymous No.13641112]

Uh oh!

[Anonymous No.13641114]

>>13641067
i use keto strips tho

[Anonymous No.13641123]

>>13641114
what does keto do that is better than just eating at a calorie deficit?

[Anonymous No.13641130]

>>13641067
Stupid article. Everybody seriously on keto uses piss sticks to monitor themselves, and of course the "journalist" omits that basic fact.

[Anonymous No.13641135]

>>13641123
higher fat and protein content of the meals at the same calorie level leaves me feeling more satiated.

[Anonymous No.13641141]

>>13641067
Why do you tards care about keto so much? I have seen with my own eyes maybe 10 people that went from being fat to skinny just by cutting carbs. I lost like 30 lbs with no effort. But I guess it was all fake...

[Anonymous No.13641143]

>>13641135
protein and fat is less satiating than non-sugar carbohydrates

[Anonymous No.13641150]

>>13641123
Optimises your genetic potential. There's a bit of a leap of faith involved because the research is not exhaustive, but it's something you might like to try. You shouldn't try it if you're fat and just want to be thin, though. It's more for healthy people to see if they can improve even more.

[Anonymous No.13641154]

>>13641150
improve how?

[Anonymous No.13641173]

>>13641154
Be more mentally sharp, have more endurance. Research it if you're interested, I'm not a tutor. Mainstream science abhors it on the basis that it is not fully understood and there are risks. There is the risk of it being total bunk, but it is up to the individual to decide whether those risks are worth the potential benefit. Some people just like playing around with what their body can do.

[Anonymous No.13641177]

>>13641173
>>13641150
>"a bit of faith"
>"optimises your genetic potential"
science sure hates it

[Anonymous No.13641178]

>>13641067
how is any of this even considered news? I knew about all of this when I started keto like 4 years ago, lost 80lbs quite fast and then started eating normally, but with more control on the amount etc.
the limit I set for myself was 10g of carbs and 30g of protein, although I would try to keep it at around 25g.
I consider it a diet for those who are fat and lazy, as it's those that it works best for.
if you use it to simply lose 5lbs or around there, you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.13641184]

>>13641135
>Protein
>Keto
Pick one

[Anonymous No.13641187]

>>13641177
Is your second quote intended to imply epigenetics is not real?

[Anonymous No.13641190]

>>13641067
glad to see 4chan is the same all over even here on the /ck/ board.

[Anonymous No.13641195]

>>13641187
no it's meant to imply you're a retard

[Anonymous No.13641197]

>>13641123
They can eat more so they don’t have to cry about how they are starving themselves to death on 1700 calories a day.

[Anonymous No.13641199]

>>13641187
Fatty detected

[Anonymous No.13641200]

>>13641195
That only makes sense if you believe epigenetics is not real.

[Anonymous No.13641201]

>>13641184
Nigger what?

[Anonymous No.13641211]

>>13641200
I trust that you believe that to be true, but again my evaluation of you is very low

[Anonymous No.13641218]

>>13641201
High protein is not keto

[Anonymous No.13641228]

>>13641123
The theory is you metabolize fat more efficiently so you'd lose weight faster.

[Anonymous No.13641231]

>>13641218
1g protein / lb of lean body mass is fine for ketosis and spares the most muscle (which is what you want unless you're legitimately anorexic and trying to waste away into a skeletor)
(that's 0.5g/kg of lean body mass, for my yuropoor friends)

[Anonymous No.13641240]

Oh wow so when I went keto and lost those 15kg it was for nothing?

[Anonymous No.13641243]

>>13641218
Maybe ridiculous amounts of protein like 2g/lb of body weight isn’t attainable keto but a substantial amount of protein is almost unavoidable in keto.

[Anonymous No.13641258]

>>13641218
You need an inhuman amount of protein before your body starts converting it into carbs.

[Anonymous No.13641265]

>>13641211
Yet you are incapable of properly articulating why, choosing to pick on a point that is known by our body of scientific knowledge to be possible and treating it as anti-science. I do know what you were trying to say, but it was very poorly said.

You are upset because it is fringe science, based on semi-understood things that have not yet been fully proven. That is what I meant by faith. You prefer certainty. Remember, however, that science is not only about what is already known. It is also about what we are yet to know. I'm not suggesting I come anywhere near employing the scientific method, but I happen to enjoy tinkering with possibilities. I don't believe that does you any harm. I do not preach that keto is a magic bullet. I simply suggest that it might interest others.

[Anonymous No.13641275]

>>13641265
no and cope

[Anonymous No.13641321]

>>13641231
>>13641243
>>13641258
Cope harder protein fags, you're just low carb not keto

[Anonymous No.13641325]

>>13641321
i posted a fact retard
yeah if you eat 1000kcals of protein it's not keto but that's not exactly esoteric knowledge is it?

[Anonymous No.13641345]

>>13641141
You do realize they lost weight because they stopped eating 5000 calories in bread and sugar every day. They could just cut down and exercise portion control instead of falling for a broscience meme

[Anonymous No.13641352]

>>13641067
Does it matter if they feel better and are losing weight?

[Anonymous No.13641396]

A lot of people don't do keto properly, so this isn't very surprising.

[Anonymous No.13641418]

>>13641184
Stop posting in this thread

[Anonymous No.13641465]

>>13641123
1. In ketosis your metabolism is a fat adapted and breaks down body fat for energy
2. On a high fat diet you are satiated easier and don't eat as much
3. High fat diets don't have high insulin spikes that would trigger fat storage in the body

Basically keto controls appetite, controls insulin, and makes the body more efficient at breaking down body fat.

[Anonymous No.13641492]

>>13641265
I'm not a retard I believe in the heart of ketosis and such goodness could never do us harm.

[Anonymous No.13641534]

>>13641465
You literally cannot gain fat unless you're in a caloric surplus and you cannot lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, you dumb fattie. Ever heard of thermodynamics?

[Anonymous No.13641539]

>>13641534
Debunked junk science. Lab studies confirm that groups of rats fed equal calories of carbs, fat, or protein will all wind up at different body weights. The idea that all calories are digested the same is ancient pseudoscience that no real scientist believes anymore.

[Anonymous No.13641562]

>>13641539
Energy doesn't materialize out of thin air, you obese retard. You can't break the rules of thermodynamics.

[Anonymous No.13641566]

>>13641539
>>13641562
>energy doesn't materialize out of thin air
>Lab studies confirm that groups of rats fed equal calories of carbs, fat, or protein will all wind up at different body weights

these two statements don't contradict each other.
your intake can affect your metabolism.

[Anonymous No.13641686]

>>13641562
Hormones like insulin affect weight gain, idiot. Learn science. If you eat foods that spike insulin you will gain weight. It's basic nutritional science.

[Anonymous No.13641693]

>>13641686
Funny how the Japanese, who aren't scared of evil carbohydrates, are among the slimmest people in Earth, isn't it, fattie?

[Anonymous No.13641695]

>>13641123
It makes your body prioritize fat loss instead of fat and muscle loss. Sure you'll still lose weight on a simple calorie deficit, but it'll take long and you'll look worse. Fatties on this board literally believe that someone who eat 1700kcals a day of chicken and broccoli will look the same as someone who eat 1700kcals of cupcakes and icecream. Calories in/Calories out is what creates "skinnyfat" people.

[Anonymous No.13641704]

>>13641693
Funny how this doesn't contradict any of the science.

[Anonymous No.13641706]

>>13641693
Diabetes in Japan is a major problem

[Anonymous No.13641708]

>>13641693
>Japanese eat carbs so that means basic science is bunk and I can stuff my face with cupcakes and soda as long as it fits my macros

Okay lardass. Keep making excuses.

[Anonymous No.13641717]

>>13641708
>obese retard that needs to go on a meme diet calling me fat
>obese retard who can't into portion control calls me fat
>obese retards that thinks shoving steaks and butter down his throat instead of eating moderate portions calls me fat
I don't need to make excuses because I've never been fat in the first place hence not needing to fall for fad diets. Post your arm and we'll see who is fat.

[Anonymous No.13641723]

>>13641717
Of course a fatty like you doesn't understand food science. This is why you're fat.

[Anonymous No.13641726]

>>13641723
Post your arm, lardass.

[Anonymous No.13641739]

>>13641726
Let's see yours if you're so obsessed with arms. Guarantee you're fat.

[Anonymous No.13641742]

>>13641123
I can mainline lard and tell convince myself I'm better than everyone else.

[Anonymous No.13641745]

Funny how this hambeast had to come up with some strawman about me saying that eating soda and cookies is a good diet or about me denying insulin's influence when all I said is that you can't lose weight at a caloric surplus.

[Anonymous No.13641751]

>>13641739

[Anonymous No.13641769]

>>13641751
L O N D O N
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[Anonymous No.13641777]

>>13641751
>those narrow bent bones from calcium deficiency
>the pale sickly skin from vitamin d deficiency
Oh god it's worse than being a fatty.

[Anonymous No.13641786]

>>13641777
Still haven't posted your arm, fat boy

[Anonymous No.13641790]

This article is fucking retarded, I can tell you from personal experience.

So what, if I eat a little too much protein all the fat I eat is just going to get slapped onto my fat reserves and my muscles are going to waste away?

Fucking retarded.
I've been gaining a lot of weight in ketosis, I eat about 3000-3500 calories of fat with 100-150g of protein per day and getting stronger and apparently not gaining much body fat.

All the talk around keto is centered around unhealthy people who don't have normal routines of physical activity.
Just work out you fucking subhumans, you NEED 1-2lbs of meat (~100-200g of protein), good fucking luck eating that much anyway, its hard and you will have to focus.
How the fuck can you possibly overeat protein?

There is probably a good point about the acidification factor, but that's because pop bro science leaves out the fact that we're supposed to be eating not just meat fat and organs but BONES.
Pretty sure making broths from bones is deep in our genes.
I really like to chew on bones that have been boiled for a long time, especially spongy ones, the bone is soft and easy to grind down and tastes good.
The bones is fish like sardines give the same kind of satisfaction, I think it's an instinct.
Also pretty sure we are literally supposed to eat dirt and clay, but maybe a multivitamin is a suitable substitute.

Also where is the discussion of the roles of vitamins? Pretty sure that having a good supply of vitamins your metabolism will favor processing fat for energy and protein for building.
Eat organs.

[Anonymous No.13641793]

>>13641123
When you go into ketosis, your body over-produces ketones from fat. Once they are ketones, your body either needs to use them or flush them out via urine. There is no way to convert them back into fat.

Carbs, on the other hand, are converted into sugars. Your body can store those for later use as fat.

[Anonymous No.13641802]

>>13641686
You're literally retarded. Insulin isn't the only hormone in your body. Your cells are constantly storing and releasing energy. Insulin spike will cause you to store energy and you will then use the energy to stay alive, removing it from the cells.
You knuckle dragging mouthbreathing NPCs who hear one poorly thought our hypothesis by some talking head con artist and think you understand everything about the body and have it all figured out. Use your own brain, try to think critically.

Do you know what a nutritional calorie is and what it represents?
Do you understand that your body uses energy to function and this cannot stop or you die?
If you store fat because of insulin, what happens to it? Does it stay in your fat cells forever?

How do you """learn""" about this shit and feel completely satisfied with an explanation that, after some rudimentary thought, makes no sense?

What would happen if you injected an excess of insulin? Would you magically get fat?

[Anonymous No.13641810]

>>13641067
Ketotards on suicide watch!

[Anonymous No.13641812]

>>13641802
why are you still typing?
You're literally retarded and an authoritarian NPC and provide no coherent argument.

[Anonymous No.13641814]

>>13641802
>durrr insuling nt only hormun
duh. No one said it was brainlet. But it is one of the most important hormones and the primary hormone behind weight gain. That is one of the major purposes of insulin, to store fat when blood sugar rises.

[Anonymous No.13641825]

>>13641802
seriously what the fuck is wrong with you?
do you not understand that a spike in insulin signals to your entire metabolism to prioritize storage?

[Anonymous No.13641827]

>>13641790
>dat broscience
Literal nutritionists and body builders have proven you can lose weight or bulk muscle on nothing but twinkies. The macro scam is just a scam bro. Organ meat once a month is plenty to keep the vital nutrient store high. Everything else you consume for basic energy can be whatever. Don't waste your time and money on memes.

[Anonymous No.13641828]

>>13641814
naming the hormone responsible for storing fat in your fat cells has no bearing on you gaining weight in the long term. the fact that I need to spell this out to you is evidence that you're too stupid to understand it, as I already made this clear in my other post. Stop trying to engage in discussions when you don't actually think and just regurgitate things you don't understand.

[Anonymous No.13641834]

>>13641825
Yes, then after you store the fat what happens in your body? Try to use that brain and answer the question

[Anonymous No.13641870]

>>13641828
>the hormone that stores fat doesn't store fat because I think science is wrong
That's not how it works idiot.

[Anonymous No.13641899]

>>13641827
>>13641790
rec some organs for a white male in europe

[Anonymous No.13641911]

>>13641827
>what is diabetes
Go slurp some coke and ho-hos down sugar boy.

[Anonymous No.13641934]

>>13641899
liver and kidney are easy to find almost every store has liver

there are markets you can go to where the farmers bring their meat directly to sell, you can ask them for other organs which are harder to get, like heart and brain and stomach (tripe).
They're called 'farmer's markets' here in the US, I'm sure they have the same thing in Europe, I know they do in scandanavia at least.

[Anonymous No.13641937]

>>13641934
Cicken hearts good? I had those once

[Anonymous No.13641938]

>>13641345
Successfully loses weight
> LoL u FeLl FoR a MeMe1!!1!

Cope harder fatty.

[Anonymous No.13641945]

>>13641937
yeah they are very very good, you want to cook them at a high temperature, grilling is best

you can cook any animal's heart the same way, beef heart is delicious, like a cross between liver and steak

[Anonymous No.13641948]

>>13641534
Wrong you can still lose weight in a caloric surplus by removing a limb or getting liposuction.

[Anonymous No.13641951]

>>13641945
Dude, thanks a lot, i thought hearts were bad, because of how cheap they are.
I'll check my wholesaler to see if they got some, they have chicken fillet at half price (~3.99 eurodollars per kilogram)

[Anonymous No.13641954]

ITT: vegans shitting on keto

[Anonymous No.13641986]

ketards and vegans are both sitting in the back seat of the short bus, just on different sides

eat a balanced diet, don't eat too much food, don't eat food that is obviously overprocessed sugary carbage, and have at least one 24 hour fast day per week (with occasional exceptions) and one or two 3-5 day fasts per year.

[Anonymous No.13642010]

>>13641986
>one or two 3-5 day fasts per year
for what purpose?

[Anonymous No.13642019]

>>13642010
Makes you not a bitch, tells your body to appreciate being alive.

[Anonymous No.13642029]

>>13642019
did you get that off of a mommyblog or hindi or something?

[Anonymous No.13642045]

>>13642010
longer term fasts help strengthen the digestive and immune systems. They trigger deeper autophagy than pure IF.

I do 4 3 day green tea fasts per year, going back on food sucks but that week after you've refed feels incredible. That's when I'm at my most energetic, strongest and even most virile.

[Anonymous No.13642347]

>>13642010
fuck off muhummaed, get your dick out of that goat before posting

[Anonymous No.13642387]

I did proper check-your-pee keto for three months and I did feel noticeably less hungry than when I went on CICO later but not enough that I can't maintain a low calorie diet.

[Anonymous No.13642552]

>>13642347
shut up, queer

[Anonymous No.13642989]

>>13641534
Just because the amount of calories in a specific type of food is always the same, it doesn't mean your body processes it all the same. There's a fucking reason why some people can't process some types of food at all.

[Anonymous No.13643019]

>>13641067
wow, good thing i have a blood ketone meter?
not that i need it, trust me, you can tell by the way your shit smells.

[Anonymous No.13643038]

I wonder why (((she))) wants you to eat more carbs

[Anonymous No.13643217]

>>13641150
Have fun passing your kidney stones while staying at your, "optimal health," you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.13643221]

>>13641265
Ppppplease listen I'm not retarded
Pseudoscience isn't fake it's just not been proven yet
Eating a high fat diet doesn't lead to heart disease and kidney stones

Haha retard

[Anonymous No.13643227]

>>13641539
Source?

[Anonymous No.13643230]

>>13643221
>Pppplease
I love Who Framed Roger Rabbit. One of my favourite movies. You forgot to greentext, btw.

[Anonymous No.13643246]

>>13641986
Except veganism is the only diet that is endorsed by some of the largest health organizations in the world for being a perfectly healthy, well balanced diet.
Sorry ketotards, but you're only bro science to keep eating muh bacon and eggs every day

[Anonymous No.13643252]

>>13643246
Eggs are bad for keto. Too high protein with too few other nutrients to justify it.

[Anonymous No.13643253]

>>13643230
I just got lazy with the greentext while mobile in all honesty

[Anonymous No.13643257]

>>13643252
Oh yeah, you're right. More protein than fat. You get my point though.

[Anonymous No.13643293]

>>13641123
It simulates fasting.

[Anonymous No.13643296]

>>13641534
Have you heard of hormones?

[Anonymous No.13643338]

>>13643293
how?

[Anonymous No.13643354]

>>13641123
control blood glucose

[Anonymous No.13643357]

>>13641258
>protein gets converted into carbs

nigger WHAT?

[Anonymous No.13643360]

>>13641123
>just count calories
>just use the method that was disproven in the fucking 60's and is proven over and over again to only work when losing less than 20 lbs that was recently gained, and attempting any more than that will cause extreme damage to your metabolism which has been proven over and over again with shows like Greatest Loser where LITERALLY 100% of contestants have gained their weight back
Keto IS a meme. It is not even remotely a perfect diet. But it is the right general idea. Cutting glucose from your diet and fasting is the way you lose weight.

[Anonymous No.13643363]

>>13643246
ADA endorsed keto dieting

[Anonymous No.13643516]

>>13641130
What does being in ketosis for 24 hours a day improve over being in ketosis for 20 hours a day?

[Anonymous No.13643534]

>>13643360
eating less food is literally all you need to do to lose weight, you hoop jumping faget.

[Anonymous No.13643618]

>>13641777
Post your arm, fatso.

[Anonymous No.13643623]

>>13643252
>Eggs are bad for keto. Too high protein with too few other nutrients to justify it.

Eggs are one of the best things you can eat on keto.

[Anonymous No.13643625]

>>13641706
Major compared to who?

>>13641686
How does an insulin spike make you gain weight at a caloric deficit? Go ahead, explain how it's possible.

[Anonymous No.13643629]

>>13643623
the dissonance of a religious fanatic put in front of a reality check.

[Anonymous No.13643631]

>>13641539
Go ahead and post the study then. You fatties are yet to post a source backing your meme diet itt.

[Anonymous No.13643632]

>>13643629
The idea that they have "too few nutrients" is especially hilarious. Eggs are literally one of the most nutritious foods that exists per mass.

https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/748967/nutrients

[Anonymous No.13643695]

>>13641539
But anon there are human trials where high fat is no better than high sugar for maintaining body weight
:)

[Anonymous No.13643701]

>>13643695
are there? post them

[Anonymous No.13643713]

>>13643701
Not that guy but ketocucks haven't posted a single source so far.

[Anonymous No.13643723]

>>13643713

You can maintain normal weight on any meme diet that does not kill you. In reality, a normal diet is by far the easiest and healthiest, but fatties are so convinced that they dindu nuffin and the foods of the world are evil that they bounce from one meme diet to another, losing muscle mass as fast as they can.

[Anonymous No.13643725]

>>13643534
reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.13643750]

>>13643625
Data ranges from 8% -12% of all adults. That's on par with China,USA/Mexico. Over exposure to a carbohydrate-rich diet reduces insulin sensitivity over time and renders carbs a less and less viable source of calories

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2016/05/07/commentary/diabetes-emerges-japans-hidden-scourge/

[Anonymous No.13643755]

>>13643038
she can eat my carbs any day

[Anonymous No.13643860]

>>13643750
Source for your claim?

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/keto-diet-may-increase-type-2-diabetes-risk#3

[Anonymous No.13643905]

>>13641695
It literally will tho

You have zero fundamental understanding of thermo dynamics

https://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

Eating low calorie high protein foods doesn’t not make you have more muscle if you don’t workout

You can eat as healthy as you want but without proper exercise you’ll look just like any other average joe who isn’t obese

[Anonymous No.13643908]

>>13643860
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/keto-diet-may-increase-type-2-diabetes-risk#3
>But can keto cause diabetes?
>Srinath said it’s too soon to establish a correlation between the keto diet >causing type 2 diabetes. More research is needed.
>“Overall, ketogenic research is still very limited, and we need more human studies to fully understand its effects.”
That isn't data, its an open ended quesion.


Here are facts:
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/improve-insulin-sensitivity#section11
>Over time, this can deplete the pancreas of insulin-producing cells, which is common in type 2 diabetes. Also, prolonged high blood sugar can damage nerves and organs. Reducing your carb intake could help increase insulin sensitivity. That's because high-carb diets tend to lead to spikes in blood sugar, which put more pressure on the pancreas to remove sugar from the blood (69 Trusted Source, 70).
Many studies have found that higher intakes of fructose can increase insulin resistance among people with diabetes (80 Trusted Source, 81 Trusted Source, 82 Trusted Source, 83).

Prevalence of diabetes among asians:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4434074/
>Based on disaggregated data, Filipinos had the highest age-adjusted prevalence (15.8% men, 9.4% women), followed by Japanese (11.8% men, 7.6% women), Korean (6.7% men, 5.1% women), South Asian (6.3% men, 2.7% women), Chinese (5.0% men, 3.6% women), and Vietnamese (2.5% men, 2.1% women). These results demonstrated that among some Asian American groups the age-adjusted prevalence of T2DM was even higher than in non-Hispanic Black (8.8% men, 13.3% women), and Hispanics American (6.7% men, 10.7% women) groups. In particular, Filipino (15.8%) and Japanese (11.8%) American men were found to have among the highest rates of T2DM.
I was wrong about Mexicans, they are actually healthier than Japs.

[Anonymous No.13643920]

>>13643908
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23880355
>In the present study, we investigated the association between dietary intake of carbohydrates and the risk of type 2 diabetes. Incident cases of diabetes (n 749) were identified and compared with a randomly selected subcohort of 3496 participants aged 40-79 years. For dietary assessment, we used 7 d food diaries administered at baseline. We carried out modified Cox proportional hazards regression analyses and compared results obtained from the different methods of adjustment for total energy intake. Dietary intakes of total carbohydrates, starch, sucrose, lactose or maltose were not significantly related to diabetes risk after adjustment for confounders. However, in the residual method for energy adjustment, intakes of fructose and glucose were inversely related to diabetes risk. The multivariable-adjusted hazard ratios (HR) of diabetes comparing the extreme quintiles of intake were 0·79 (95 % CI 0·59, 1·07; P for trend = 0·03) for glucose and 0·62 (95 % CI 0·46, 0·83; P for trend = 0·01) for fructose. In the nutrient density method, only fructose was inversely related to diabetes risk (HR 0·65, 95 % CI 0·48, 0·88). The replacement of 5 % energy intake from SFA with an isoenergetic amount of fructose was associated with a 30 % lower diabetes risk (HR 0·69, 95 % CI 0·50, 0·96). Results of the standard and energy partition methods were similar to those of the residual method. These prospective findings suggest that the intakes of starch and sucrose are not associated, but that those of fructose and glucose are inversely associated with diabetes risk. Whether the inverse associations with fructose and glucose reflect the effect of substitution of these carbohydrate subtypes with other nutrients (i.e. SFA), their net higher intake or other nutrients associated with their intake remains to be established through further investigation.

[Anonymous No.13643924]

>>13643908
>Many studies have found that higher intakes of fructose can increase insulin resistance among people with diabetes
>among people with diabetes

[Anonymous No.13643927]

It's a fad meant to justify overeating meat and cheese. They'll die young, it'll all solve itself.

[Anonymous No.13643933]

>>13643908
>I was wrong about Mexicans, they are actually healthier than Japs.
Yeah, that must be why Japan has the highest life expectancy, retard.
Also
>asian americans
Mutts corrup everything.

[Anonymous No.13644193]

>>13641067
I intermittent fast eating one meal every 24 hours on a keto diet. Yeah I'm in ketosis sorry retard I can smell the ketones in my piss.

[Anonymous No.13644199]

>>13644193
imagine believing this. yikes!

[Anonymous No.13644204]

>>13644199
>said nothing

[Anonymous No.13644209]

>>13644204
i called you a liar

[Anonymous No.13644210]

>>13644209
well done

[Anonymous No.13644239]

>>13643927
>It's a fad meant to justify overeating meat and cheese. They'll die young, it'll all solve itself

OK vegan.

[Anonymous No.13644245]

Why do vegans gaf if we are technically in ketosis or not? Shouldn't they worry about their own starvation diet regimen and not worry about us?

[Anonymous No.13644246]

i'm not even on keto but vegans with their anti-lowcarb crusade have been shitting up this goddamn board way too hard recently. wow, you're assflustered because some faggot decided not to eat bread anymore. good, now kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.13644250]

>>13641067
>https://getpocket.com/explore/item/sorry-keto-fans-you-re-probably-not-in-ketosis?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Whether you're in ketosis or not, can be easily tested through urine or blood samples. This article is wrong on pretty much all levels.

[Anonymous No.13644263]

>>13644239
Never go full retard anon.

[Anonymous No.13644264]

The only people I see talk about it are overweight middle aged soccer moms anyways the people trying this meme diet are always fat I mean the same for any other diet but this one specifically and intermittent fasting

[Anonymous No.13644279]

>>13641067
i know it’s probably bullshit but it works for me. i do vegan keto, which is massively restrictive, and never eat over twenty grams of carbohydrates a day. i had never gone more than three days without binge eating, but keto, along with the added moral obligations and consequent guilt if i were to binge on non vegan foods, has made it so that i haven’t binge eaten in over two months. highest bmi was 27, now at 23

[Anonymous No.13644369]

>this samefagging retard trying to shill the idea that making fun of keto makes you a vegan

[Anonymous No.13644387]

>>13644369
You're right, the anti-keto posters are more likely to be same actors in the sugar industry that caused the misinformation about fat being bad in the 60-70s in the first place.

[Anonymous No.13644389]

>>13641802
>What would happen if you injected an excess of insulin? Would you magically get fat?
People have been injecting insulin for a century. Are you seriously not aware?

Insulin causes fat accumulation. There's nothing magic about it.

[Anonymous No.13644404]

>>13644389
How does insulin make you fat at a caloric deficit?

[Anonymous No.13644432]

>>13644404
By causing muscle loss.

[Anonymous No.13644434]

>>13644387
I sure hope they don't cut clozapine with glucose...

[Anonymous No.13644440]

drinking my daily keto shake right now

4 oz almond milk
4 oz milkadamia
4 oz cashew milk
tbsp hemp seeds
tbsp flax seeds
60g keto shake mix (mostly MCTs and shit)
20g collagen powder
tsp ashwagandha

mmmmmm--mmmmmm good!

[Anonymous No.13644448]

>>13641067
I am

[Anonymous No.13644688]

Imagine not just adjusting your carbohydrates intake to your actual needs. Same with all nutrition, really. Pursuing these ridiculous know-it-all diets was always a scam.

[Anonymous No.13644710]

>>13643534
Literally wrong. Calorie deficits causes your body to believe that food is scarce, and cause it to store MORE fat out of desperation. Obese people who became calorie starved DID lose weight... about 20lbs, and then their weight slingshotted back to ABOVE their original weight. Meanwhile underweight people who had a calorie surplus of TEN THOUSAND CALORIES gained only a very minor amount of weight, even without any changes in lifestyle.

Obesity is not linked to calorie count. All an increase in calories does is increase how active your bodies internal systems are, which is why obese peoples hearts beat faster, and what causes the 'fat sweats'. Ethan Allen Sims literally sought to prove CICO 20 years ago, and only managed to disprove it, as has happened in every major study and meta analysis.The ONLY effect calorie surplus/deficit has on your body, is BMR, and even then it works the opposite of how you are implying. Giving your body more energy to burn causes it to burn more energy. Giving your body less energy to burn causes it to ration it out more to keep your brain from shutting down.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1414963
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1038/oby.2010.334

In fact, we know that CICO is wrong because keeping a fixed diet can still result in changes in weight gain due to BRAIN DAMAGE of all things, as the signals to release certain hormones get disrupted and prevent your body from processing and storing those calories in the same way.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3356006/

Also, you know, Lipohypertrophy being a thing that exists.

At the end of the day, it matters less how many calories you are intaking, and more how efficiently your body is processing those calories.

[Anonymous No.13644722]

>>13644710
>Calorie deficits causes your body to believe that food is scarce, and cause it to store MORE fat out of desperation
wow a keto fag believes the starvation mode meme

[Anonymous No.13644755]

>>13641751
We get it.

A Slav can survive starvation. (barely)
How they do it is beyond chink tier. They will be dead within the decade: >>13641751

[Anonymous No.13644757]

>>13644722
Yes, because it is real. Its not a fucking 'mode' your body enters into, you just fucked up your god damn metabolism, and your body is trying to cope with your shitty damaging mistakes. Its the reason why, as mentioned above, LITERALLY 100% OF CONTESTANTS on the show The Biggest Loser end up gaining their weight back. 100%. Every single one. All of them. Because caloric deficit only works short term and damages your metabolism and they way you process food at all.

Meanwhile there are dozens of studies that demonstrate people losing weight at a caloric surplus, without changes in exercise. Keto is one way to go about it (not the best though desu because extended ketosis doesnt offer any additional benefits beyond standard ketosis), but anything that helps you fast more will cause you to lose weight.

[Anonymous No.13644764]

>>13644757
>desu
opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.13644840]

>>13644755
What are you on about, fattie? Try to rephrase that with some proper syntax.

[Anonymous No.13644848]

>>13644757
Lol, you're a retard denying the rules of thermodynamics. If your body needs say 2100 calories a day and you eat 2500, those 400 calories won't vanish into thin air, you dumb fatass.

[Anonymous No.13644852]

>>13644755
Btw, why don't you post your arm? Or will you cop out like the other fattie?

[Anonymous No.13644853]

>>13644757
>Meanwhile there are dozens of studies that demonstrate people losing weight at a caloric surplus,
cite them please

[Anonymous No.13644871]

>>13644710
>Calorie deficits causes your body to believe that food is scarce, and cause it to store MORE fat out of desperation.
How? If you use up all of the calories that you eat, what fat are you storing? Fat that materializes out of thin air?

[Anonymous No.13644877]

>>13644848
>muh thermodynamics
"A calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/

[Anonymous No.13644893]

>>13644877
You haven't answered yet, where do those 400 calories go?

[Anonymous No.13644897]

>>13644877
you do realize each macronutrient is assigned a calorie count per gram that represents the usability of that macronutrient?
yes?
saying “it depends on how your body uses the macronutrient bro” does not apply at all
calorie is a measurement of energy
each macronutrient is assigned a measurement of energy based on their functions

[Anonymous No.13644902]

>ketard desperately searches reddit for scientific evidence supporting keto and deletes all his posts after getting btfo

[Anonymous No.13644903]

>>13641717
jeez, you sound like a tranny on speed. why are you sperging out in every keto thread?
t. gallon of diet coke a day

[Anonymous No.13644906]

>>13644903
you aren’t thin and it’s hilarious to see you stretching your hand out hoping to show bones

[Anonymous No.13644907]

>>13641911
Shit that fats contract because they are constantly eating. A diet of maintenance level kcals of pure sugary shit would not give you diabetes unless you were extremely insulin sensitive already from being obese.

[Anonymous No.13644910]

>>13644906
lol ok

[Anonymous No.13644997]

>>13641067
>I dedicate my life to telling other people to stop doing what I don't like.
Imagine being this sad. Get a life.

[Sage No.13645295]

>>13641184
You don’t know what keto is.

[Anonymous No.13645311]

>>13644997
i didnt write the article you autist, settle down. your """""diet""""" is a meme though

[Anonymous No.13645371]

>>13641067
That chick has humongous hands.

[Anonymous No.13645378]

>>13645371
imagine getting fisted by her

[Anonymous No.13645410]

>>13644404
By slowing down your metabolism, i.e. the diet that was caloric deficit no longer is.

[Anonymous No.13645501]

>>13641123
it made me lose weight, that's all I need to know (((science))) is fake anyway

[Anonymous No.13645524]

>>13644710

Whoever wrote this is definitely obese.

[Anonymous No.13645587]

>>13644906
>post cock I wanna make sure you ain't gay >:)
fuck off, mo

[Anonymous No.13645663]

>>13644440
>all those estrogen mimics
Enjoy the gyno!

[Anonymous No.13645677]

>>13645663
>he thinks phytoestrogens work like human estrogen
>doesn't realize that if they do anything, they increase your overall hormones, giving you more testosterone

[Anonymous No.13645709]

>>13645663
what makes you think you understand a single thing when you use such uneducated terminology as "estrogen mimics"

you're a fucking retard, i hope you never drink a single beer, because that's 3000 times more estrogenic than my shake.

[Anonymous No.13645723]

>>13641114
Yeah, same here. Probably the people who don't use the sticks have no clue, but geez.

[Anonymous No.13645734]

>https://youtu.be/xlfZvnV4v50
Here, have some entry level education on basic fucking high school chemistry you fatasses should know as you continue to try to starve yourself.

[Anonymous No.13645736]

>>13641123

"keto" diets (which are rarely keto diets) make achieving caloric deficit easier

[Anonymous No.13645755]

>>13641067
Anytime a diet goes mainstream where some 55 year old dude I work with is talking about it, it's over.
>This diet is so easy
See, there's the mistake. Diets are not easy.

[Anonymous No.13646361]

Renegade Jannie censors scientific papers that BTFO the calorie shills.

What a joke.

[Anonymous No.13646370]

>>13646361
wtf?

[Anonymous No.13646373]

>>13646361
>renegade
all the mods are fucking literally jewish and live on their boards and constantly ban people they lose arguments against
all of the mods, everywhere on the internet, especially here

[Anonymous No.13646382]

>>13646361
>>13646370
>>13646373
>muh jannies
Why do zoomer newfags not understand 4chan culture and that being banned for dumb shit has literally always been a thing? Go back to fucking reddit if it's that much of an issue.

[Anonymous No.13646385]

>>13646373
>anti-semite is also a lardass
Can't say I'm surprised.

[Anonymous No.13646392]

>>13646382
>t. janny

[Anonymous No.13646396]

>>13646382
It wasn't a ban. Its a biased janitor.

Probably the guy who got humiliated by that paper is a janitor and deleted it himself.

[Anonymous No.13646408]

>>13646392
>>13646396
>reddit frog
Proving my point.
>muh biased jannies
It's 4chan. Welcome, newfags.

[Anonymous No.13646414]

>>13644757

You sound like an essentialist cultist just for fasting instead of ketosis. I hear the same ridiculous nonsense about how fasting is this silver-bullet miracle method that makes one into a superman. Isn't it funny how every single fancy diet ultimately goes right back to the reduction of calories, be it by reducing your food options or how often you eat?

[Anonymous No.13646423]

>over 180 posts in
>ketocucks are yet to explain how you can lose weight at a caloric surplus
Do they magically vanish in defiance of thermodynamics?

[Anonymous No.13646439]

>>13646361
>>13646373
also this nigger kike mod who got beaten down in argument deleted my link to a good video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IEuhp8RFMU
This is a medical doctor with a PhD in nutrition that does research on keto that explains the basics really well and pretty much answers every question in this thread
and refutes the vegan/fatass/jewish/nigger retards in this threads.

>>13646385
>>13646423
>>13646396
>this samefag kike mod calling others samefags
daily reminder this is the pinnacle of jewish life
they literally exist to troll and disrupt real people
we need to burn all of their children to death, or else go extinct

[Anonymous No.13646450]

>>13646439
Not only you're fucking paranoid and racist but you're advocating murdering children. You're a shitty person.

[Anonymous No.13646455]

>>13646439
Also you're making excuses to keep stuffing your face with food in order to lose weight. The irony of you calling anyone fat when you're this much of a deluded gluttonous subhuman is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.13646458]

>>13646423
>caloric
calories don't work, it's empirical and pretend the human body burn all food like a flame. Eating large quantity of fat at once means you'll shit most of it out. the calories of protein and fibers aren't digested at all. your calorie scam only work if you follow the food pyramid scam as well, where you only eat sugar, which is digested at 100%

[Anonymous No.13646470]

>>13646455
>>13646450
not that guy but now you're randomly moving goal posts all over the place, please kill yourself

[Anonymous No.13646476]

>>13643338
In a fasted state (meaning you have no glucose in your bloodstream from food energy, and the glycogen reserves in your liver and muscle tissues are exhausted), your body uses the glycogen energy reserves stored in body fat. This results in a condition called ketosis, which is an elevated level of ketones, the by-product of the process of breaking down body fat.

Our body stores excess food energy as body fat. It's important for basic physiological functions. The reserves in our liver and body fat are the reason you don't simply starve to death while sleeping or missing a few meals. We engage ketosis regularly in the process of being alive.

Dietary fasting is willingly abstaining from food intake in order to engage ketosis. Your body, having no other source of energy, will begin to use body fat exclusively. Eating anything will end your fast, as your pancreas will secrete insulin into your bloodstream in order to metabolize the glucose. Your body will always use food glucose first.

A ketogenic diet is an attempt to maintain a relatively elevated level of ketones in the bloodstream by eating certain kinds of foods. It's a medical diet used for epileptics and diabetics. However, it became fashionable as a weight loss diet in the past few decades. It allows people to maintain some of the benefit of fasting while still being able to eat.

[Anonymous No.13646490]

>>13641534
Have you heard of adaptive thermogenesis? You wonder why some people can eat a lot of calories and not gain weight? some people eat few calories and don't lose much weight?

[Anonymous No.13646497]

>>13646470
More like moving the donut shop because you obese ketotards have never been in the vicinity of a football field in your life lmao

[Anonymous No.13646507]

>>13646470
>randomly moving goal posts
you mean a mentally retarded leftist subhuman who has his brain constantly zapped by programmed bursts of emotion can't maintain a train of thought?

no way

[Anonymous No.13646511]

>>13646470
How am I moving the goalposts exactly btw? It's not like he made an argument or said anything of value in those mentally ill rants.

[Anonymous No.13646516]

>from denying the laws of thermodynamics to ranting about leftists and jews and how he thinks murdering jewish children should be a thing
What kind of mental illness is this?

[Anonymous No.13646530]

>>13641938
>I pissed on the fire once and put it out
>My piss has firefighting properties that no known science understands, it's not the water

Yeah it worked, it must mean it's real.

[Anonymous No.13646550]

>>13641790
>I can tell you from personal experience
I like this broscience alert. It saves me time reading the retardation after this sentence.

[Anonymous No.13646558]

the funny thing about bro science is it often turns out to be true in hindsight.

[Anonymous No.13646662]

>>13646558
The funny thing about this post is retards truly believe whatever they want to hear

[Anonymous No.13646720]

>>13641067
Why don't they call it Atkins anymore? Not trendy enough?

[Anonymous No.13646860]

>>13644848
>the human body has 100% energy efficiency
Your argument is already flawed. Not to mention you are outright ignoring the many many other factors. Hormones play a bigger role in fat storage than calories. It also completely ignores HOW the body burns fat. You are basically denting the fact that ketosis even exists at all.

If CICO worked, fat people could go MONTHS without eating. But guess what? They starve to death at the exact same rate. Because fat storage is hormonal not caloric.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/first-law-thermodynamics-utterly-irrelevant

[Anonymous No.13646871]

>>13646423
>I’m illiterate, that makes you wrong!
t. dumbass

[Anonymous No.13646912]

>>13646720
Different diet. Keto has even less carbs, and focuses on fat instead of protein.