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Who was in the wrong here?

>> No.13609466

>>13609454
You for posting with an iPhone.

>> No.13609468

The cheapo patrons who did not tip were in the wrong. If you are too poor to tip, stay home.

>> No.13609477

>>13609454
Is this in the US? Are the servers recieving a minimum living wage or being underpaid and reliant on tips? My understanding is that the culture in the US is to usually tip, so i guess that's expected. I'd agree that it'd be a very uncomfortable question to be asked though.

Over here in the UK, it's fine not to tip as waiters and such will be recieving at least minimum wage, if not a little more depending on their employer. We generally do leave a little extra if it's a restaurant rather than a pub or something though, notwithstanding exceptionally good service.

>> No.13609478

>>13609468
Enjoy the flood of (you)s

>> No.13609483

>>13609454
The idiots who cost their business a regular customer.

>> No.13609498

>>13609478
Only ex-Redditors are obsessed with replies and post counts. Sometimes a shitpost is just a shitpost.

>> No.13609503

The jerks who don't tip.
Tipping fucking sucks and restaurants in the US should pay a living wage. But they don't, so diners are expected to tip. I don't like it, but I do it because that's the culture.
If you don't tip when you should you are an asshole and you know it.

>> No.13609507

>>13609454
both
tip your servers in the US, and don't complain to customers

>> No.13609509

If I felt like I was being begged for a tip I sure as shit would be annoyed.

>> No.13609512

>>13609454
Tipping is a homo American thing.

>> No.13609519

>>13609512
No, it started in yurop, moron.

>> No.13609526

>>13609454
the server

tipping is not mandatory. it's the servers' fault they're a server. if they want more money they should get a better job. if they can't get a better job, they don't have marketable skills and they deserve to be poor.

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13609527

>>13609477
>>13609503
>An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage
>if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage
>if
You don't have to tip, they will get paid min wage either way. It wouldn't be legal otherwise.

>> No.13609538

>>13609527
all this time its been the servers being greedy baka

>> No.13609542

>>13609526
This exposes the throught process of a miserly skinflint perfectly.

>> No.13609543

>>13609527
>hahah, what kind of employer would violate labour laws, right?
MUST BE NICE.

>> No.13609549

I get not always tipping but to be a REGULAR and never think to build a rapport with the workers is fucking weird. Internet ruined us

>> No.13609552

>waiter in expensive restaurant gives ok service, gets $20 for one hour of work from each of 5 tables, averages $100 to $200 per hour because rich shits like to over tip to advertise their wealth

>waiter in average restaurant does same exact job and makes about $30 per hour total

>AOC is fine with this.

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13609554

>>13609538
This isn't news to me. The issue is old fucks doing it. The whole point of tipping waiters is to help young people pay for their education. Same reason you tip a stripper. It's not meant to be a permanent job that you mooch off of.
>>13609543
To live in the USA where we spell labor without the u? Yeah it is nice. Also pretty nice that labor laws are generally enforced when reported. Maybe take it up with your government.

>> No.13609557

>>13609549
No, I think the high turnaround of food service workers in urban areas is to blame.
>>13609552
Who's the AOC? Is that an American thing?

>> No.13609558

>>13609549
>to be a REGULAR and never think to build a rapport with the workers

Try eating alone at the same restaurant for months and still get shitty service even though you leave a dollar every time.

>> No.13609559

>>13609454
not american and i dont like the idea of tipping but its kinda rude to eat at a place constantly and not tip if that is what is expected.

here in singapore there is a mandatory "service tax" of 10% of the total bill so theres no tipping needed, its covered and theres no arguing or passive aggressiveness

>> No.13609566

>>13609483
Servers could care less if some non tipping jew stops comming.

>> No.13609582

>>13609559
What dumb wagie waiters complain about is they want a higher base salary and continue to earn tips. Tips have fucking increased the last decade 20% is the norm and they are trying to push it to 25% - 30%

>> No.13609584

>>13609503
Waiting is an unskilled position and simply isn't worth a living wage.
If anything we should be tipping the cooks.

>> No.13609595

>>13609527
>white gator
>wator
>waiter
I see what you did there

>> No.13609596

>>13609584
i dont understand how any restaurant operating without tip pooling
there is just as much responsibility on the cooks following the order as there is on the wait staff interpreting the order correctly

>> No.13609598

>>13609582
thats stupid.. there should be a system in place and the customer shouldn't have to deal with it to such an extent. I can imagine that it ruins the mood somewhat as well

>> No.13609602

>>13609596

wait staff can and will be replaced by robots. cooking staff will have to wait a while for slightly better robots.

>> No.13609603

>>13609582
tipping should never be percent based off the total bill
it gets even worse when they had you a debit machine with built in percent and you are forced into tipping on the tax

>> No.13609605

>>13609584
but then how would the thousands of aspiring actresses and models survive in hollywood??

>> No.13609609

>>13609602
>a while
Cooking requires soul. Maybe cooking robots can be a thing for fast food restaurants, but they can't replace real chefs.

>> No.13609610

>>13609602
this isnt the issue though, its the idea that serving food makes you more important than the ones preparing it

>> No.13609611

>>13609603
why not? i dont want to fiddle around with coins and notes and shit. Just add it to the bill as a % and stop begging me for money

>> No.13609613
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13609613

>>13609609
>Cooking requires soul.
>Maybe cooking robots can be a thing for fast food restaurants, but they can't replace real chefs.

>> No.13609616

>>13609557
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, american politician

>> No.13609618

>>13609611
which is fine if they only have you tip on the subtotal
tipping on the grand total with tax is stupid

>> No.13609620

>>13609610
>its the idea that serving food makes you more important than the ones preparing it

It all goes back to the human contact issue, and how traditionally wealthy plutocrats toss coins to the peasants if the peasant bows and scrapes adequately. If the cook intercourses with the customer then they would tip him too.

>> No.13609623

Had a server bitch give me attitude sarcastically saying "thanks for not tipping" when I was picking up carryout, I was like wtf you didn't do anything but put the food in a bag..

>> No.13609625

>>13609611
Because the waiter doesn't do any extra work as the bill increases, you're just getting more expensive food or beverages.
Let's say you splurge and buy a $200 bottle of wine. Does the waiter really deserve $20 for bringing it to you? He was fine with $2 for the same work when you bought the $20 wine.

>> No.13609628

>>13609616
Was that the woman who passed the proposition that made shoplifting essentially legal in California? I'm no good with names, but American politics is good entertainment.

>> No.13609636

>>13609625

That goes back to the root of the problem which is that the tipping thing is wealthy people giving handouts to the needy. If you buy that 200 buck wine then you have demonstrated your wealth and you have to tip more or be shamed.

>> No.13609651

>>13609636
The 200 buck wine is an extreme example to illustrate the insanity of percentage based tipping.
The root of the problem is greedy asshole restaurant owners have somehow tricked the public into subsidizing wages and -we're- the assholes for pointing it out.

>> No.13609652

>>13609605
Porn and prostitution .

>> No.13609657

>>13609628
No , that woman was Adam Schiff.

>> No.13609661

>>13609625
>what about this specific situation

then what about a party of 10 with 20+ different items and a $400 bill?

thats far more common, if you can afford $200 wine you cant afford to give a 20

>> No.13609663

>>13609661
now the tip is split 10 ways along with the bill

>> No.13609664

>>13609661
can afford to*

>> No.13609669

>>13609657
Looked it up. It was Kamala Harris who pushed Prop 47.

>> No.13609670

>>13609651
>greedy asshole restaurant owner

Do you have any idea how profitable your average restaurant is?

>> No.13609672

>>13609663
>splitting a bill 10 ways as if nobody trusts the people they are eating with

do americans really......? thats such a bad look

>> No.13609674

>>13609661
There’s no sense in trying to argue with people who don’t tip. They’re assholes, and they’ll always find justifications for being an asshole.

>> No.13609680

>>13609672
Wtf do you mean trust the people you’re eating with?

>> No.13609682

>>13609661
Why does the waiter deserve extra pay when those ten people get $40 meals instead of $30 or $20 meals? He isn't doing any extra work.

>> No.13609683

>>13609672
why would one person pay for the other nine people at the table

>> No.13609685

>>13609674
You're the asshole for turning your private wage disputes into a game of public shame. It's cowardly and pathetic.

>> No.13609689

>>13609682
Why are you complaining so fucking much about adding an extra 6 dollars on top of your 40 dollar meal. Why do you deserve to sit at a restaurant and be fed? What an entitled cunt you are.

>> No.13609694

>>13609512
>be American
>leave the doctor your tip as soon as you are born

>> No.13609696

>>13609689
Why do you deserve money for nothing? You're the entitled cunt here.

>> No.13609698

>>13609454
America, for making people work for tips instead of making the employers pay them a livable wage

>> No.13609699

>>13609682
you are really going to argue about an extra dollar or two when you can afford a 40 dollar meal?

>>13609680
imagine making a fuss about a dollar or two when you are eating with "friends and family".

"hey bro your meal is more expensive you should give me $1.80 more for the service tax"

just makes you look extremely cheap/petty

>> No.13609702

>>13609454
Is it ok for me to hate entitled roastie servers and disgusting cheap boomers at the same time?

>> No.13609705

>>13609689
the event doesnt occur once, it happens every time you visit a restaurant
tipping at a 20% rate can seriously inflate the cost of eating out over a year
to the point where someone may decide not to continue to practice hurting the restaurant

>> No.13609707

>>13609651
Without tipping, prices would rise accordingly and things would even out to where the consumers spends roughly the same amount for a meal. $10 meal + $2 tip would turn into a $12 meal with no tipping required. You’re not an asshole for “pointing out” a silly system, you’re an asshole for taking advantage of a loophole.

>> No.13609708

>>13609554
his government is to busy getting blacked

>> No.13609709

>>13609699
We don’t. If we split bills we generally all decide on a number and pay it regardless of if your meal was slightly cheaper, or the waiter bills you for exactly what you spent. You’ll usually tell them that all your checks are split when you get there.

>> No.13609711

>>13609699
Im a firm believer that tips prevent a restaurant from succeeding as it sets a price barrier that dissuade people from sitting down and eat.

I’d rather order takeout and eat it in the comforts of my own home. Thank god doordash and grubhub are killing you piece of shits as restaurants are seeing more output on takeout meals than dine-ins.

>> No.13609714

>>13609707
>Without tipping, prices would rise accordingly and things would even out to where the consumers spends roughly the same amount for a meal.
this assumes that the cost wouldnt exceed what the market can bare
with the tipping system the customer has an opportunity to take advantage and pay less if they choose

>> No.13609716

>>13609705
Imagine how much money you could save by not using a service that costs more than doing it yourself. Eating out isn’t a right it’s a luxury. You should pay an idiot tax for it.

>> No.13609719

>>13609711
>Thank god doordash and grubhub are killing you piece of shits as restaurants are seeing more output on takeout meals than dine-ins.
prices for these services are inflating over the menu item

>> No.13609720

>>13609707
I would prefer to pay a higher meal than playing this dumb tip game. I like to eat in privacy fuck the waiters who come and bother me.

>> No.13609723

>>13609711
i dont even like the idea of tipping dude. I am for the idea of a % tax so tipping is no longer required. But apparently you're just a cheapo foreveralone

>> No.13609725

>>13609711
dont you have to tip on doordash?

>> No.13609726

>>13609707
>Without tipping, prices would rise accordingly and things would even out to where the consumers spends roughly the same amount for a meal.
And the waiter will be happier because he is getting a steady wage instead of random pay. And the customer will be happier because he isn't being constantly in fear of getting his food spat in by bitter liberal arts majors workind dead end jobs.
Abolishing tipping is win-win.

>> No.13609727

>>13609716
>You should pay an idiot tax for it.
and what if i choose not to pay that tax and choose instead to live with the shame?
now no one wins

>> No.13609728

>>13609711
>doordash and grubhub are killing you piece of shits as restaurants

>killing a business
>by bringing it business
Look, I hate tipping, too, but those delivery services are the fucking worst with their built-in tips and recommended delivery tips.

>> No.13609729

>>13609454
Based couple

>> No.13609732

servers are entitled faggots who deserve nothing more than minimum wage. being a starbucks barista or burger flipper takes more skills than being a server.

i only tip at restaurants where there are no servers. I don't need some silly cuck with a PhD in sociology to bring me water and ask me if everything is ok with my meal. if you think this kind of "service" is worth even 5% of the cost of my meal, you're an idiot.

>> No.13609734

>>13609727
Then you’re an asshole and you can live in shame. I’ve never made a big deal out of people that don’t tip me or cared much. But you know you’re an asshole when you do it. Especially when it’s the pizza guy using his own gas money and car to drive to your house and you stiff him.

>> No.13609735

i dont like tipping but i also dont want them to spit in my food next time i come in

>> No.13609737

>>13609732
Imagine how miserable your life is

>> No.13609738

>>13609728
Take the pickup option not delivery...

>> No.13609740

>>13609734
>Especially when it’s the pizza guy using his own gas money and car to drive to your house and you stiff him.
maybe he shouldnt have a job in a field where he puts himself at such risk financially
he is just as much an asshole for expecting people to pay him extra for a service he is paid for

>> No.13609743

>>13609738
unless you are walking to pick up you've spent the delivery money fetching the meal yourself

>> No.13609745

>>13609735
This. I'm so neurotic that I've never once returned a wrong order. I nearly had a panic attack when I was eating out with as friend who asked for a refund after he didn't like the food.

>> No.13609748

>>13609740
Maybe you should order the food you could have made yourself if you’re that at risk financially that you can’t afford to pay someone who hand delivers your dinner to your door.

>> No.13609752

>>13609748
That person is already being paid by his employer. Any complaints he has about his wages is a private matter between him and his employer.

>> No.13609754

>>13609748
but i can afford to pay for the pizza and the delivery charge
what i cant afford is this magic number of 20% because society expects me to pay it

>> No.13609755

>>13609740
And by the way, if it wasn’t for the tips nobody would do that job and they would be taking a 6 dollar delivery fee on every order to pay your driver more. They make 5 dollars an hour on the road.

>> No.13609760

>>13609754
Sounds like you shouldn’t order food then. Sounds like you should get your lazy ass up and make your own meal. It always comes down to poor people being cheap in these threads.

>> No.13609761

>>13609755
if everyone walked away from the delivery field because they werent being supplemented in wage by tips then it would do a service to the industry as wages would be forced to increase in order to bring back the labour

>> No.13609763

>>13609754
then get a real job you pathetic "man"

"ahh bloo bloo i cant afford an extra $2 but im too lazy/inept to cook"

>> No.13609765

>>13609755
That's fine, they're being replaced by robots anyway.

>> No.13609766

>>13609760
sounds like you have presumed my wealth in order to make a cheap insult
a rich person can be cheap all the same as a poor person in these situations

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13609771

>Tipping
Do cu/ck/s really do this?

>> No.13609772

>>13609760
You're the cunt too lazy to ask his boss for a raise, wagie. If you're not happy, form a

>> No.13609773

>>13609761
That’ll never fucking happen and you know it. The system is in place. You’re just a cheap bastard making excuses for yourself.

>> No.13609774

>>13609763
i could be a millionaire and choose not to tip all the same as someone who makes minimum wage
the only one to suffer in this situation is the labour

>> No.13609778

>>13609772
I don’t think you know how jobs work, and I don’t work in the service industry.

>> No.13609779

>>13609773
it will never happen because as a society we dont put the pressure where it belongs, on the employer

>> No.13609782

>>13609771
>frogshit thinks he can just jump in on the shitposting without reading the thread

>> No.13609784

>>13609774
And nobody is saying you can’t. The only thing we’re saying is that you’re an asshole for doing it. That’s all.

>> No.13609791

>>13609774
if i was a potential business partner and saw your pettiness i wouldnt even ink a deal with you

rich people like trump just give away hundreds in tips they dont even care, its called being generous

>> No.13609792

>>13609784
no im being told that im poor and that i should order out if i cant afford it
which is not the case and you admit to it here

>> No.13609796

>>13609779
Do you think restaurants can afford to pay their servers a livable wage?

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13609800

>>13609782
>Some failure at life working minimum wage cuckjob thinks his opinion matters.
Clean up my table faggot.

>> No.13609807

>>13609784
we might be assholes but at least we didnt create this greedy system

>> No.13609808

>>13609791
if i wanted to be generous i would donate money to a cause that deemed fit
why is my potential business partner looking at a bill that i am paying for anyways? that is poor manners

>> No.13609814

>>13609796
yes, they can increase the amount they charge to make up for it
remember this would be the same for every restaurant so if the owner wanted to undercut a competitor for increased market, it would be at the expense of their profit

>> No.13609819

>>13609808
>what is a business dinner
>what is wining and dining

its very obvious and is a very bad look

>> No.13609822

>>13609819
you can dine wit a potential client and not reveal the amount you have tipped

>> No.13609823

>>13609454
The people not tipping.

That said, the average server gets paid WAY better than they act like they do. They usually make twice what the cooks and dishwashers do while working less hours. One restaurant I worked at had servers making roughly $40/hr only working two to three days a week.

>> No.13609827

>>13609796
If they can’t, they shouldn’t be in business.

>> No.13609835

>>13609823
While that’s true, they’re not learning any appreciable skill, and interacting with the public all day isn’t something your average chef can do. Their hours also aren’t guaranteed either. And not every server at every restaurant makes good money.

>> No.13609836

>>13609796
Do you really think waiting is worth a living wage?

>> No.13609842

>>13609827
70% of them fail within the first year as it is. It’s not some highly lucrative business you make it out to be.

>> No.13609843

>>13609836
its worth a minimum wage, which is what the government deems a living wage

>> No.13609846

The only reason waiters are so adamant about tipping is because they're shitcunts who want cash instead of a paycheck so they can dodge taxes.

>> No.13609849

>>13609554
The thing is if you ask them for money you will get fired for your socks not matching or some bullshit the next day. The world isnt perfect and there are always loopholes people can use

>> No.13609850

>>13609842
and yet its one of the few business models out there that expects its customers to supplement the cost of wages

>> No.13609852

>>13609843
The government also deems pizza a vegetable.

>> No.13609853

>>13609846
I don’t think they’re making that much fucking money. And it’s a dead end job. You don’t become a waiter as a career.

>> No.13609857

>>13609852
if you dont like it, use your power to change the system or move away from that government

>> No.13609867

>>13609857
If you don't like your working conditions, form a union to negotiate better working conditions.