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>> No.13379467

I've been saying since day 1 the shit smells like cat food
I can't compare it to the flavor of cat food because I've never eaten it but I'm sure its similar to that as well

>> No.13379475

>>13379467
probably. the main draw of the impossible burgers is the realization that most people are drawn to the flavor of the char-grilled fat. that's what the extra additives give.

>> No.13379477

>>13379460
Plus the flavour agent, anon. Are you illiterate?

>> No.13379479

>>13379460
>over twenty ingredients
A beef patty is one ingredient. Fastfood frozen patties are probably five.

20 ingredients?

>> No.13379483

OH NO NO NO VEGANBROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

>> No.13379488

>>13379460
>there is food in food
wtf really made me think

>> No.13379489

Dog biscuits are pretty good.

>> No.13379493

>>13379460
The only difference is that dog food will still be efficiently packaged, preserved, and edible after a crisis. Where this is just shit.

>> No.13379500

>>13379488
That's a lot of "food" to replicate a single ingredient.

>> No.13379523

>>13379500
That's because you are making a special case for meat, which is not "just meat", but a variety of chemical compounds.

>> No.13379749

meh, still better than dead animals in my body
im not a caveman

>> No.13379838
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>>13379749
You are not healthy either.

>> No.13379846

>>13379460
And it also tastes and feels just like meat.
So....... what's the problem?
I'd eat cockroach feces if it had the same nutritional values and taste as meat.

>> No.13379853

>>13379749
and you're not a human either

>> No.13379857

>>13379749
enjoy your Kibbles and Bits, fag.

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>>13379846
Ultra-processed chemical slop is the opposite of Healthy. I don't gaf because I want vegans to get sick and die, just don't take away my Healthy food (beef) thanks in advance.

>> No.13379888

At least dogs are sensible and health-conscious enough to beg for and eat meat scraps before they’d ever touch kibble

>> No.13379892

>>13379876
Yeah, because GMO's are different somehow.
Animals get fucked up also genetically. Not to mention the sheer amount of hormones the pump on them day in day out.

Chances are that, if you buy your stuff from everyday supermarkets, you are just as jacked up with chemicals.

>> No.13379893

>>13379460
>known meat industry shill shills for meat-industry, uses disingenuous appeal to disgust, news at 11
Just don't eat the fucking fake-burger you fucking junk-food obsessed fatties.

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>>13379493

>> No.13379959

>>13379888
Exactly. Dogs powerful sense of smell and strong instincts tells them to gobble up raw meat, and almost no dogs actually like dog food(because it's highly processed cheap ass ingredients food) they just eat dog food because their only other choice is starvation.

We've lost our instincts and sense of smell, so we have to use our intelligence to select Healthy food.

>> No.13379964

"Hey anons, let's go pay a lot to eat dog food."
"Alright! Yeah!"

>> No.13379965

>>13379892
It doesn't matter, any meat is healthier than a vegan starvation diet. The queen of England has her own private herd of beef cattle so she can eat perfect no-GMO grass fed beef. Cost is no object and she and her royal consort live to 100 years with perfect health and sharp minds.

Eating red meat like a queen should.

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>>13379964
>Says every vegan while screaming about how healthy----they are.

>> No.13380000

>>13379965
>It doesn't matter
So you do admit to my point? Nice.
>The queen.
Are you that rich tho? I'm sure that if there was a space bug whose shit can regulate blood pressure she'd be going all for it. Can you, the average Joe, afford it? Hardly so.

Also...
Oh no, GMO's are ruining our life expectancy. Whatever should I do?
Maybe realize that we do GMOs since the green revolution and we live almost double the expectancy we had in the middle ages and it doesn't show signs of regressing.
What a predicament, amirite?

The thing with beef is just that it's hella ineficient to grow beef instead of any other thing. The same sapce used to grow cows and pigs, which will at most feed about 3 people for a day each, could be used to grow a fuckton of grains that could just about end starvation.

I also don't buy the cruelty thing, but I can't deny that veggies are leaps and bouds more cost efficient.

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>>13380000
Fuck your "cost efficiency" (not that that argument is honest)

for me the important thing is to eat healthy and be healthy, I eat grass fed beef. For you the most important thing is to tax me to death so you can give free food to all the non-whites in the world.

The only sane thing for me to do, is read your "advice" and do the opposite. So thanks for the ironic Healthy advice.

>> No.13380106

>>13380069
>premature balding
>Cycles roids
>eats raw meat
Yeah, you're very healthy Toothless.

>> No.13380112

>>13380069
Carnism is mental illness.
Sv3rige is the clearest example of this.

>> No.13380116 [DELETED] 

Why are white vegan trailer trash so in love with overprocessed chemical garbage foods?

If you white faggots wanted to eat something healthy, you could just eat regular vegetables like the rest of the world.

Why do you have to overprocess everything until it's full of fat, salt, and cancer?

>> No.13380135 [DELETED] 

>>13380116
>Why are white vegan trailer trash so in love with overprocessed chemical garbage foods?
keep in mind white trailer trash also invented velveeta cheese and also thought it was "healthy" at first. lol

>> No.13380164

>>13380069
Businesses want to make money. If something is cost-effective, it WILL dominate the market. It's a matter of time. Quality beef will get more and more expensive until you're priced out, because you have no useful skills in life to earn money with.

>> No.13380167

>>13380116
>white this
>white that
You're just a racist looking for a reason to post.

>> No.13380186

>>13379893
>disingenuous appeal to disgust
Oh that’s rich. Isn’t appeal to disgust like 96% of vegan argumentation? I mean it’s DEAD ANIMAL FLESH and everything.

>> No.13380204

>>13380186
Yeah that was my point, a carnie-cuck lowering himself to using the shittiest of vegan arguments. Embarrasing.

>> No.13380209

>>13380204
A carnie is someone who works at a carnival.

>> No.13380210

>>13380069
Post physique.

>> No.13380220

>>13380209
A carnie-cuck is someone who shills for the meat industry, it's a new meme fresh of the presses, deal with it.

>> No.13380223

why the fuck does vegan lentil wellington have so many ingredients

my beef wellington has one ingredient: beef wellington

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13380224

>>13379483
I honestly dont get you vegan bros. I understand hatred for meat farming practices in economic scale, but animals do and will continue to eat eachother and theres no way you can live your life and not kill a pest or three unless you want to live in antroach city. do you people have autism?

>> No.13380227

>>13380224
>i don't understand you anti genocide bros. Humans can and will kill each other and there's no way you can live without hurting another human in some way at some point, you really should just kill billions of humans. do you people have autism?

>> No.13380228

>>13379892
gmos are different, theyre entirely harmless. glyphosphates otoh.

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>>13380227
>the most jewish response possible
yep, the case is terminal. I'm so sorry for you guys. I wish we lived in world with less entropy too. this is how it is though.

>> No.13380242

>>13380228
Exactly my point.

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>>13379523
>a variety of chemical compounds

>> No.13380274

>>13380265
Hormones, for one.

>> No.13380288

We’ve been over this. Mechanical planting and harvesting kills between twenty and thirty thousand small mammals per acre, every year. These animals are not instantly killed with a captive bolt gun, but they are crushed to death in their shallow burrows or ripped to shreds by whirling blades. Their atomized gore ends up permeating every single pulse, grain, bit of rice you eat. Unless you believe that somehow a cow’s life is worth more than a vole’s or a rat’s, which is totally stupid thinking as I’m sure you agree, you’re causing more suffering and animal death than if you exclusively ate beef, where you could easily kill only one cow per person per year.

It’s not the meat industry that kills the most animals per year. It’s big grain and soy.

No, only a sick freak of a vegan would eat grains and pulses and beans. It’s absolutely cruel! This is why, as an actually ethical vegan and not just a slave to big grain, you shouldn’t eat mechanically harvested crops of any kind. Imagine this little animals getting crushed, mangled, their guts spurting out in wormlike coils as they are crushed, entire families of them! Tiny little baby bunnies and voles, their eyes just opened for the first time, and the only thing they EVER saw was their poor mommy’s skull getting smashed and her brains coming out, right before that soy harvester kills them too.

Vegan people are sick freaks and they’re in a Satanic death cult - lying and saying they’re saving the planet when their soybean hunger is deforesting the Amazon and they deal much more death than a strict carnivore. All the while lying to themselves and everybody else.

Veganism is positively Satanic unless you do it like the Jain.

>> No.13380289

>>13380224
Appeal to futility.

>>13380240
>DA JOOOS!!
If your only argument is anti-semitism, you lost the argument.

>> No.13380292

>>13380288
80% of all crop farming goes directly to feeding livestock for the meat industry

You are a fucking moron

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>>13380274

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>>13380292
>80%
I'm gonna need a [citation] on that one chief.

>> No.13380312

>>13380292
Oh, come on...is that true?

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13380316

>>13380289
no, my arguements are winworthy but they are not worth arguing with a jew.
>appeal to futility
not a real fallacy. if you arguement cannot be realized in the real world it is not a solution for the real word, filthy commie, no stop sucking so much infant penis blood you """vegan"""

>> No.13380325

>>13380292
What if you’re not a vegan so you don’t have to pretend your lifestyle doesn’t involve killing animals?

Your argument is retarded:
>vegans kill more animals than meat eaters
>Y-YEAH BUT ANIMALS EAT GRAINS TOO

You have no counter argument. It’s OK, just accept you’re a killer and more of a killer than an anon who eats grass fed beef and lamb and wild caught fish.

>> No.13380326

>>13380312
No, it absolutely is not. One of the bigger studies done on this was by Cornell University in the late '90s, and their findings were that it was something like 45% or 50% (can't recall exactly, and I don't feel like looking it up again)

>> No.13380328

>>13380303
https://www.globalagriculture.org/report-topics/meat-and-animal-feed.html

>> No.13380329

>>13380312
Of course not. Vegans are big believers in the pious lie, though, so they believe that anything they say is justified as long as it gets one more soft headed sucker to stop eating meat.

>> No.13380332

>>13380328
>globalagriculture.org
Sounds very relevant and official.

>> No.13380334

>>13380292
>>13380303
no its basically true, this is what happens when you give out free gubmint gibs to monsato so pajeets and nigs can afford red meat. the influx of niggers, spics, and pajeets, isnt a racial thing other than that they breed like crazy, reducing the arable land space the average citizen can afford to farm their own non pozzed meat in. its all a numbers game in the end, as long as these minorities intend to become majorities, you're going to see a disgusting mexican stand off to rival the cold war arms race.

>> No.13380335

>60 billion land animals killed each year by meat industry
>8 billion humans exist

are you people so fucking stupid that you think that humans consume more plant crops than cows, chickens, and pigs?

>> No.13380341

>>13380288
Yes, we've also been over the fact that animals eat plants to grow. Whether or not you feed them grain and beans, as is the case with 99% of cows, or feed them grass, they eat plant-matter that needs to be harvested. Yes, grass (alfalfa mostly) gets harvested because they can't graze during winter, they need hay. This kills critters too, except lots more since cows need to eat about 7-8 lbs of plants to grow 1lb of cow (if fed grain+beans; if fed grass&hay it's over 15lbs).

Eating plants directly minimized total death. Stop appealing to futility and using nirvana-fallacy, stop lying by omission about animal feed, stop shilling for animal ag, stop making up crazy conspiracy theories, stop fucking lying you fucking liar. In every thread, this same fucking copy-pasta, the same lies and omissions, the same feigned outrage. Just be honest about not giving a shit about animals or the environment and enjoying meat, there's no need to make up lies to seem like the better person.

>big grain and soy
A.k.a. the supplier of animal feed to the meat industry. The majority of soy is used this way, most other for Asian foods. Stop lying.

>b-but animal feed doesn't have human consumption quality, it's left-overs!
No, you nigger - YOU get fed the left-overs in the form of soy oil, lecithine and flour added to absolutely everything. Soy meal is produced intentionally for animal ag and has the required quality for that market, humans get what can't be used. This is why rainforests are cut down, not for fake vegan burgers but to feed YOUR burgers.

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>>13380334
>It's the niggers' fault!

>> No.13380343

>>13380335
And 500 billion small animals are killed by the vegetable industry.

>> No.13380345

>>13380341
>YOU get fed the left-overs in the form of soy oil, lecithine and flour added to absolutely everything
No I don’t. YOU as a vegan do.

>> No.13380346

>>13380312
From the numbers I've found, which only include the US, it's only true for corn, wheat and soy. It's hard to find worldwide numbers and whether the use is exclusively for feeding or as byproduct of other industries. Pretty much bullshit overall.

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>>13380335
>muh cow suffering
>lets import more nigs tho.
no one needs to plant grass retard. the overpopulation of the country was an accepted fact 20 years ago until you vegan progressives decided it would be more important to import every shit skin who doesn't give a fuck about a sustainable environment and move them here.

>> No.13380350

>>13380342
nice arguement jew.
go live in india for a few years.

>> No.13380351

>>13379892
You're retarded, you can't absorb growth hormones etc from dead animal meat.

>> No.13380359

>>13380350
Indians don't eat red meat, dumbass. In fact almost half their population is vegetarian.

>> No.13380361

>>13380334
No it literally is not.

And this
>>13380328
dumb shit can't even read his own fucking source material (which is not acceptable as a source anyway but whatever).
>pasture and arable land dedicated to the production of feed representing almost 80% of the total agricultural land
DOES NOT mean that 80% of farming is done to feed animals. Re-read that quoted passage and try again.

Not that it matters though because that same article says
>One-third of global arable land is used to grow feed.

So which is it? 80% or 33%?? jfc

>> No.13380362

>>13379467
Thats the beyond burger

>> No.13380364

>>13380316
Not arguments. Cry some more, brainlet.

>>13380325
The argument is that if you can't avoid harm altogether, you should try and minimize it. Because eating animals requires much more plant harvest due to conversion rates, veganism causes the least harm. See: "nirvana fallacy", "appeal to futility".

>>13380326
>>13380328
>>13380329
Regardless of what source if posted - any many have been posted - it gets dismissed as a jewish conspiracy or simply ignored. You can't argue with people who believe in conspiracies because everything they disagree with, and any proof against them, is just turned into more proof of a conspiracy.

>>13380335
They're not stupid, they're willfully ignorant. They can confirm this with 5 min of google, but refuse to. Even when spoonfed links, they ignore or dismiss them. They don't want to know. If they do any research it will be seeking out any source that confirms what they already believe.

>> No.13380366

>>13380351
I assume genetically modify chickens to be bigger and fatter is A-OK then?
GMOs are either all bad or all good, you can't go saying only GMO veggies are bad when chickes are twice their original size.

>> No.13380369

>>13380347
The idea is to topple society so Marxism can take hold. It’s the Cloward-Piven plan. All vegans seem to be Marxists.

>> No.13380373

>>13380361
are you dumb

33% of usable farmland in the entire world is used for farming

of that 80% is used for animal feed

>> No.13380374

>>13379467
I have eaten cat food before (both wet and dry) and I can testify that it does, in fact, taste like cat food. In fact a little worse. Gave me the worst indigestion of my life.

>> No.13380379

>>13380359
>indians aren't vegans
so even people who shit in the street are smarter than you, got it.
>>13380361
nice arguement retard. learn about monsanto before you open your shit hole.

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>>13380265
Fine. Make it molecules instead. Replicate this.

>> No.13380383

>>13380359
The most popular meat in India is lamb which is “red.”

>>13380364
>The argument is that if you can't avoid harm altogether, you should try and minimize it.
Killing *MORE* small animals so you kill one or two fewer large animals per year is retarded if causing less harm to animals is your goal.

So stop eating mechanically planted and harvested grains and pulses, or just accept that you’re killing and harming more animals than a “carnist.”

>> No.13380389

>>13380379
>get proven wrong on your claim

>N-NOT THE POINT!!
God you can smell the virginity

>> No.13380397

>>13380364
>get blow the fuck out
>n-no arguements
substanceless post, trying to minimize the loss of your shitty made of fallacy, next semite trick?

>> No.13380399

>>13380379
>Indians aren't vegans therefore they are smarter than a non-vegan

Ok ESL

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>>13380383
>Killing *MORE* small animals so you kill one or two fewer large animals per year is retarded if causing less harm to animals is your goal.

>> No.13380402

>>13380373
I suggest you learn how to read.

>> No.13380405

>>13380369
I already know this. I'm shitposting to expose them.

>> No.13380409

>>13380399
nice to see you understand english retarded jew.
>>13380389
>n-no u
not an arguement kike.

>> No.13380412

>>13380345
>soy lecithine, soy flour and soy oil aren't in absolutely everything
Lots of retarded things have been said ITT but this is by far the worst. If you really are this dumb and gullible there is absolutely no hope for you. Try reseaching those additives a tiiiiny little bit before rushing to shitpost lies.

>>13380346
Yes, because those are the top grains used? Also, there's a synergy between feed use and byproducts, to the point that it's hard to say whether the cow is getting fed soy meal that is a byproduct of soy oil production for humans or if YOU are getting fed soy oil that is a byproduct of soy meal production for cows. It's semantics at that point.

>>13380361
>Pastured + feed = 80% of agricultural land
>Feed = 33% of arable land
These numbers don't contradict each-other necessarily, just depends on what you're measuring and how.

Link dump:

>"Ninety eight percent of soybean meal is used for animal feed."
https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/where_do_all_these_soybeans_go

>"Soybean meal has become a predominant feedstock for poultry and livestock, accounting for 67% of consumption of global soy production."
https://globalforestatlas.yale.edu/land-use/industrial-agriculture/soy-agriculture

>"70-75% of the world’s soy ends up as feed for chickens, pigs, cows, and farmed fish."
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/soybeans

>"About 85 percent of the world’s soybean crop is processed into meal and vegetable oil, and virtually all of that meal is used in animal feed."
https://www.oilseedandgrain.com/soy-facts

>"75% of the soy produced worldwide in 2013-2014 became animal feed."
https://www.worldwildlife.org/magazine/issues/winter-2015/articles/soy-the-biggest-food-crop-we-never-talk-about

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>>13380409
>I'm only pretending to be retarded

>> No.13380417

>>13380409
God ESL virgins are so fucking stupid. Go back to /int/ and refine your grasp of the human language, mongo

>> No.13380420

>>13380412
Maybe because some people here actually eat fruits and vegetables, and not fried tyson tendies you fat sperg. I see no soy in my produce or oats

>> No.13380422

>>13380412
Dude came with the straight up facts.
How's the overly dramatic model of masculinity gonna react?
I'm betting on him using ad hominens as damage control.

>> No.13380424

>>13380412
dunno if you are a retarded vegan or not but you seem to be a chad among your peers if so.

>> No.13380428

>>13380412
>These numbers don't contradict each-other necessarily
True. However, the contradiction is in the way the article is written. Even they weren't directly contradictory
>80% of a 33% stake is about 26% total
the numbers are misleading, and/or someone can't into math.

I can appreciate the link dump, but, on the surface, only two of those appear to be reputable.

>> No.13380431

>>13380401
Yeah but I exclusively eat grass fed beef, grass fed lamb, and local chickens who eat grains grown locally. As well as hunting and fishing. I produce far fewer deaths than any vegan.

But here’s the other problem - vegans are so lazy and listless and their brains are so deprived of essential nutrients that they can’t bring themselves to make that little extra effort to avoid mechanically harvested food.

You’re the one with the problem with killing animals, not me. Live up to your own rules. Stop killing just because you’re lazy.

>> No.13380432

>>13380417
>lol yr not wite
wow imagine my shock when the jew has nothing left but to try this shit, more importantly, hey can you fix your 4chanpass shillbot?
>>13380416
obviously malfunctioning with non sequitor memes.

>> No.13380437

>>13380417
>God ESL virgins are so fucking stupid
English is a 2nd or 3rd language for most of us, so calm down, faggot.

Ont he flip side, your American niggers who "graduate" with Affirmative Action fake college degrees can't use proper english and can't spell so you make up "ebonics" for them as the official nigger language. lol

>> No.13380438

>>13380383
Except it isn't more small animals, brainlet. Have you followed the thread at all? Animals are fed plants to grow, those plants are harvested too, and since animals eat more plants than humans do to conversion rates, animal ag uses more plants than directly eating plants, like WAAAY more = far more death from mechinical harvesting. Total death is much, much higher in animal ag when you include feed.

If you legit don't understand any of this please ask and I will explain, stop just shitposting dumb things.

>>13380397
If you call "demonstrating that you are lying by omission and twisting the facts" getting btfo'd then sure.
It's amazing how the meat-cucks eyes glaze over when confronted with facts that challenge his beloved corporations: ten times so far the "argument" has been made about veganism killing more animals supposedly, and every time it gets countered with reference to animal feed - and then that is ignored. In this very thread the argument has been countered several times, and yet meat-cucks keep pretending it doesn't exist, like they can't even see it, and just repeat their dumb point over and over....

>> No.13380443

>>13380417
> ESL
Why does a chink learning his 3rd fucking language still speak much better English than your american niggers?

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13380446

>>13380432
>calls everyone jews
>gets offended when the tables turn

>> No.13380452

>>13380432
I didnt say anything about white you retarded ESL nigger. This is why you have to go back.
>>13380437
>>13380443
More smelly foreigners. Yuck.

>> No.13380456

>>13380438
>If you call "demonstrating that you are lying by omission and twisting the facts" getting btfo'd then sure.
more twisty turny wumbly jumbly langauge from a kike, imagine my shock, you've avoided the fact that no vegan society exists for quite some time now in this thread when it was brought up, and you have nothing to say on matters such as your importing of antienvironmentalist gib machines who want dey fried chikums nor on something as simple as pest control.
you ignore every inconvinience and go back to adhom every time kike.

>> No.13380459

>>13380431
>shown something that disproves you

>ACKSHULY IM STIL RITE!!
Cool story

>> No.13380463

>>13380438
>Except it isn't more small animals, brainlet.
It is. You’re pretending that there aren’t people who eat grass fed. There are, and it’s becoming so popular that you can get grass fed beef at any Wal-Mart. All lamb is grass fed, their lil tummies can’t digest grain feed. And wild caught fish and hunted game are also very popular.

Any vegan kills WAY more animals than a person who seeks these meat options out.

>> No.13380466

>>13380456
You might just have severe brain damage from being a product of incest and a failed abortion

>> No.13380467

>>13380446
i add arguements (when theres even a straw wall to knock down) to my post, which makes your post responding to tone, and adhom, nice move kike.
>>13380452
so you think I'm a frog eh? I'm enough of a fruit that I am okay with this then. still wrong though.

>> No.13380468

>>13380459
>talk about animals which don’t eat grains
>which, BTW, are becoming more popular
:vegan can’t cope with killing more animals than a dedicated wild / grass fed carnist
Just eat your atomized mouse brains, my “”””vegan”””” friend.

>> No.13380474

>>13380466
>nuh-uh
sugoi monogatari oniichan

>> No.13380480

>>13380468
nah, most of these guys just get their protien from their infant child's sliced foreskin.

>> No.13380482

>>13380420
Most people eat some food that contains it, it's too ubiquitous to avoid completely for most people. If you succeed somehow then congrats, but the argument was not about individuals dodging this bullshit but global soy usage, and the fact remains that it's used mostly for animal feed and food additives - NOT to make fake meat burgers. Stop moving the goalpost.

>>13380422
>straight up facts
Which post are you referring too?

>>13380424
Chad vegan, ofc.

>>13380428
Quick google search, just the top results, can't vouch for reputability of all of them. Was trying more to show that the info is out there, it's not some hidden fact or vegan propaganda, you can just google this stuff yourself. Will try to find better sources that are more clear in explaining things but that might take more time.

>>13380431
You eat animals that magically grew without eating grass? Or is this magical grass that grows throughout the winter and does not need to be harvested and turned into hay? That local grain didn't need to harvested either? Wow!

Stop lying by omission and feigning outrage.

>> No.13380483

Vegans really have no retort to grass fed / hunted / fished meat eaters killing far fewer animals.

They circle back to grain fed or finished because that’s what all their poorly sourced stats are built up around but it’s not convincing. I think they’re in denial.

Yeast and algae. This is what a vegan should eat. Anything else directly leads to the deaths of animals, more animals than a responsible meat eater.

>> No.13380485

>>13380463
>it is
Prove it. Grass fed means shit. It's an unregulated label and they finish on grain. Grassfed isn't ecologically or economically sustainable because it takes up a fuck load more land and more time to produce the beef. Natural predator are hunted to protect the livestock ruining the local ecology and displacing numerous species. Waste and pollution from grass fed cows is even more destructive and even harder to contain from running off into the land. Cows in the west especially have hooves from years of selective breeding that make them uproot the grasses and soils further degrading the ecology of the area. Pesticides are still used to treat the land which is also tilled.

>> No.13380489

>>13380482
Unlike a vegan, I have no problem with killing animals. But veganism doesn’t even slightly reduce the number of animal deaths.

In fact I have killed and eaten probably thousands of critters personally. Do you personally kill all the rodents in the field? That’s what a vegan should have to do, by law.

>> No.13380492

>>13380474
Literal brain damage. Cant even comprehend the words coming your way. Enjoy the last you

>> No.13380493

>>13380482
>Quick google search.. Was trying more to show that the info is out there
Fair enough.

>> No.13380496

>>13380482
Speak for yourself, fat fuck. Nobody is moving the goalpost. You said it's in everything when it's just in the shittiest cheapest junk foods a fatty like yourself subsides on.

>> No.13380497

>>13380116
The big companies shill the processed junk because it is way more profitable to sell than the actual vegtables. Most of the that junk in processed food is just left over byproducts they managed to trick people into eating and paying premium for.

>> No.13380500

>>13380485
>they finish on grain
No they don’t. But regardless I’m not trying to trick myself into thinking that my diet leads to fewer animal deaths, unlike you.

You’re a killer, a vegan death machine, eating vaporized animal gore. Just accept it. Until you take responsibility for the deaths your vegan diet causes you just sound like a hypocrite.

>> No.13380503

>>13380482
whyyesidohatemonsantomorethanwhitepeoplehowcouldyoutellgigajew.png

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>>13380167
Fuck off vegan cumskin.

>> No.13380508

>>13380500
Yes they do, its to fatten them up and actually fucking get them ready to be eaten so they aren't grazing for another year.

Post your evidence you fat sack of shit.

>> No.13380510

>>13380497
Veganism was invented by big ag. Rather than selling grain stocks to meat producers they can use leftovers from other processes to make vegan “food” like the Impossible Burger and charge more than it costs to buy real, actual meat.

>> No.13380511

>>13380492
not much of a you if you larp like you're in a timeline where you won.

>> No.13380515

>>13380483
>>13380485
Prove grass fed is more sustainable and less harmful

>> No.13380517

>>13380456
>"KIKE KIKE KIKE! FUCKING KIKE! THIS IS KIKE LIES FROM KIKE MOUTHS! HA, I'M EXPOSING YOU KIKE LIES!!! DEATH TO KIKES!!"
>"Hey, you're kinda saying stupid crap there, chief... I think you may have misunderstood some stuff here."
>"OMG OMG how could you? So hurtful, don't you have an actual argument, huh? Is ad hom all you can do? So sad, I really wanted a rational debate!"
Brain damage for sure.

>>13380468
>>13380463
>they don't eat grains! they eat grass!
Again, grass -> hay, chief. They need food over the winter. Mechanical harvest there too. Alfalfa mostly. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Besides, despite a good growth projection, grass-fed is still only 1-3% of the global beef market - and even so we're running out of natural pastures. Not to worry, though! You can just cut down rainforests to make artifical pastures and then blame soy for deforestation even though that soy is for animal feed too! I mean it won't make any sense, but it doesn't have to! People will belive it anyway because they really really really want to. Won't they, oh people who shill for animal ag for free on their spare time?

>> No.13380520

>>13380515
Prove it's not, wing bat.

>> No.13380523

>>13380508
You’re the one claiming, without evidence, that grass fed beef is really grain fed, tranny. And then when I call you stupid for your lies, which you invent as necessary to cope with your vegan death diet, you start rocking back and forth, screeching, shaking your head NO NO NO I DON’T KILL THE FUZZY WUZZIES WITH THE COMBINE BECAUSE BEEF AND CHICKEN AND PORK, AUGH!

Face it GRIDS, veganism is a death diet for Marxist death cultists.

>> No.13380527

>>13380517
>They need food over the winter. Mechanical harvest there too. Alfalfa mostly. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Yeah but beef eaters aren’t going around pretending they’re not killing animals.

Vegans are. Even though they’re killing way more animals.

>> No.13380530

>>13380482
>Which post?
Maybe the one I tagged?

>> No.13380531

Normally the vegan tranny, who is also a janny, submits van requests against everybody who argues with xim, be careful anons.

>> No.13380533

>>13380515
>grass
>less harmful
if vegans weren't retarded (they all are, even the chads), they would already know grass is a bio weapon that evolved itself to kill forests with brush fire. it is inherently harmful and should be destroyed in its entirety but they will never do this because a: they eat grasses and b: that would kill the poor creatures that evolved to live in grasses even if its at the expense of woodland critters.
>>13380517
imagine my shock, you still cant help but reply, and you're screetching like a lunatic and continuing to respond to tone.
I didn't misunderstand anything, but its cute that after all the analytics and times i blew you shills out with hose exact words you are trying your hand at turning it against me.

>> No.13380535

>>13380520
>No u
>No, u
If none of you have sources, both of you are spoonfed retards.

>> No.13380539

>>13380312

No, it is untrue. Most crops don't end up meeting the standard for human consumption. 85% of crops fed to cattle are the byproducts that humans can't eat like the stalks, cobs, roots, steams, leaves and leftover mush from making vegtable oil. Chickens and pigs are fed soi which isn't even human food anyway. Vegans are just straight up full of shit.

>> No.13380544

>>13380510
Leghemoglobin and potato protein for a food eaten mostly by omnivores. Great job big ag!

>> No.13380547

This thread has made me hungry for a burger

>> No.13380548

>>13380535
Quoting sources is pointless. Only shills even bother to bring it up. Everybody can Jewgle and if you’re not Jewgling you don’t want to find out the information.

Plus we’ve all played those games with the shills where sources are called into question, not read at all, etc. even mentioning sources outs a poster as a confirmed shill. Sources aren’t relevant.

>> No.13380550

>>13380520
I have and did again. Counter it.
>>13380523
I didnt say grass fed was grain fed you braindead fuck, they FINISH on grain and the term itself is UNREGULATED

You have no evidence

>> No.13380554

>>13380533
You still have no evidence to counter anything I said. You're a crying little hormonal fat tranny that cant accept reality

>> No.13380555

>>13380539
Vegans have no answer to this of course. But they’re Marxist death cultists, they’re not actually animal lovers.

>> No.13380556

>>13380483
>Vegans really have no retort to grass fed / hunted / fished meat eaters killing far fewer animals.
Arguments against this have been posted 3 times ITT by me alone and get ignored every time.

Also, this anon has good arguments: >>13380485. Note how the only "counter-argument" is just someone going "no it's not!" and then feigning outrage and bombarding him with insults.

>>13380489
>doesn’t even slightly reduce the number of animal deaths.
I've shown that it does several times ITT you just ignore those points and choose to believe whatever makes you feel good.

>>13380496
>argument about global consumption
>turns it into an argument about individual health
>hasn't move the goalpost though!
Actually I'm very health conscious and avoid junk food, but even so I get some of that crap in me, e.g. in cacao. It's usually listed as E322, and soy oil is listed as just "vegetable oil".

>>13380503
Not an argument.

>>13380510
>Rather than making big bucks selling grain as animal feed, they can instead lose vast sums of money buy selling significantly smaller quantities with a greater quality demand to vegans! Genius!
Never go into business.

>> No.13380558

>>13380220
>A carnie-cuck is someone who isn't insane and therefore disagrees with me
FTFY

>> No.13380562

>>13380548
>Backing my bullshit is shilling.
Fair point, people don't read sources, but if you don't back your own bs up, why should I?

>> No.13380566

>>13380550
>they FINISH on grain
Yeah but they don’t, you just made that up.

“Grain fed” beef is merely grain finished. It is raised on grass. Grass fed is the same, but without the grain finishing. And one can easily tell the difference, color, texture, even the smell is different.

But I’m not the one pretending my diet somehow causes “less harm” like deluded Marxist vegans are. This is classic Rules For Radicals. I’m making you live up to your own rules. Is animal death something you say you’re avoiding? Great! Start by stopping with the mechanically harvested beans and grains. Otherwise you’re just a liar.

>> No.13380570

>>13380562
Calling for sources is a Jewish trick to stop a debate you are losing and shift the debate to being about sources.

>> No.13380576

>>13380570
On the other hand, without them it becomes a fight over who's the most obnoxious without any care in the world if what they are saying is true or not.

>> No.13380577

>>13380556
You said it's in everything with no evidence. I correct you that at best its in every junk food the fattest of a fat fuck like you would eat. Your only response is some whimsical "g-goalpost!"

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>>13380570
>Calling for sources is a Jewish trick

>> No.13380584

>>13380570
Dear NASA,
The earth is flat.
I won't prove it because jews.

The fucking leaps in logic.

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>>13380570

>> No.13380587

>>13380584
Flat Earthers spread their nonsense for the pure reason of trolling. Why haven't you figured that out yet?

>> No.13380592

>>13380527
Except people ITT literally are pretending them eating beef kills less animals. It's been said a dozen times, you're literally saying it right now. Veganism is about minimizing harm. Don't nirvana fallacy or appeal to futility.

>way more animals!
Honestly now, do you 1) intentionally shitpost even though you've read my refutation of this 2) ignore my refutation completely? Just curious. I've not gotten any actual counters to these refutations, you see, just people ignoring it and carrying on believing what they believe.

>>13380530
You tagged my post, I don't know which one of the post I adressed you're referring to.

>>13380533
>blew you shills out
You're really overestimating your ability here, you screeched nonsense to the point that people assumed you were brain damaged, that's not winning an argument...

>>13380539
>>13380555
Has been adressed many times and always gets ignored. Let's try gain! It has the quality needed for the market it's indended for. There's a synergy between feed and "byproducts"; you could just as well say that humans are being fed the byproducts (soy oil, flour, etc.) from making feed, and not the other way around. Do you honestly think soy would be such a popular crop for making stuff like oil from if it wasn't for its use as feed?

>> No.13380595

>>13380106
Where do you get roids from in this picture?

>> No.13380597

>>13380584
If you can’t prove the earth isn’t flat with pure logic and reason, without citation to external sources, you don’t truly know it’s shape yourself.

>> No.13380604

>>13380592
Maybe you trannies need to figure out a way to separate the veganism from the marxism. Until then you’ve pretty much peaked.

>> No.13380606

>>13380587
Riddle me this then:
Why should I read anything as facts without sources?
Flat earthers were an example of it, if you haven't noticed.

>> No.13380612

>>13380597
I had to open my goddamn mouth and call out the retard squad.
Sorry thread.

>> No.13380617

>>13380566
Except I didn't. They finish on grain for fat and to get them off the pasture, retard. There is nowhere near enough land for "grain fed" to be subsiding on pasture, they are in feedlots primarily

You still cant provide for anything you retarded tranny. Dilate your micropenis and have consensual sex

>> No.13380625

>>13380612
So what you’re saying is you have no idea what the shape of the earth is, but you’ve been told it’s round, but you don’t know how you’d go about proving that without linking to the Wikipedia.

This just proves my point about sources. You haven’t got the mentition.

>> No.13380627

>>13380606
Soo... you agree with me.

>> No.13380631

>>13380617
>They finish on grain
Yeah but they don’t. That’s normal beef that is grain finished. There is no such thing as grain fed, where the cattle live just on grains. All beef is grass fed until they get to the finishing stage.

t. anon who is from a ranching family

>> No.13380633

>>13380558
A meat-eater is not a carnie-cuck, anon. Plently of people eat an omni diet that includes meat and I'm friends with many, in fact most of my friends and family is omni. They're just normal folks eating a normal diet. A carnie-cuck is a person who is KEKED by the meat industry, who shills for them for free and defends them online on his spare time. It's like a vegan in reverse, an activist for meat-eating - someone protesting *for* rather than against large corporations. It's someone for whom eating meat is not just a diet or a normal thing, but an ideology, and a part of their identity. Someone who feels threatened by vegans and actively attacks them.

>>13380577
You ignored my point and made it about something else, i.e. literally goalposting.
Are you autistic? When I said "it's in everything!" I did not literally mean that it's in every single product, but that it's a widely used additive found in a plethora of foods. Of course, anyone who eats a whole-foods diet is going to avoid most of it, like I do.

>you're fat!
Nah, I told you I eat healthfood, learn to read nigga.

>>13380587
Obviously, but when so many anti-vegans are also flat-earth trolls it makes one wonder...

>> No.13380635

Grass fed retards unironically think these fuckers just chew on grass outside the entire fucking day. They are fed alfalfa grown in California which takes up shitpiles of land and is the most water intensive crop in the state

>> No.13380638

>>13380604
Not an argument.

>>13380631
Wow that's cool, post pic of ranch w timestamp!

>> No.13380639

>>13380627
I agree that flat earthers are just highschool drop outs with too much free time.
What I do want to reinforce tho is my point of sources being needed. Why the shit should I read whatever you say, on 4chan no less, and not think you are just either a spoonfed idiot or just a plain old troll?

>> No.13380643

>>13380635
Just giving you a nice (You) for a good post seeing as the retards will ignore it.

>> No.13380648

>>13380631
They do. Grass fed is unregulated, these farmers have no time or financial flexibility to have cows grazing on grass for three years. You'd be better off on grass FINISHED which is also still unregulated and means jack shit on if they ate grain. All beef is grain fed. All grass fed beef is given alfalfa
>There is no such thing as grain fed, where the cattle live just on grains.
Didnt say otherwise.
>anon who is from a ranching family
Oh so you didn't pay attention then or are just lying, cool.

>> No.13380651

>>13380635
>>13380643
I second this.

>> No.13380652

>>13380638
Veganism is morally defunct, just admit it. And vegans are frail and unhealthy. They lose their teeth. Hair falls out.

I know a guy (fag, btw) who went vegan and his hair fell out. Now he’s bald and frail and looks like he’s in his 50’s at 27.

Veganism kills, not just animals in droves, but the people silly enough to follow it.

>> No.13380653

>>13380633
Nobody ignored you point. You stated a falsity. Got corrected and are now crying about it. Soy isn't in everything. And at worst its in cheap schlock a fatty like you eats.
>nah i eat healthfood
Sure you do, fatso

>> No.13380656

>>13380648
>just lying
There we go. In every argument of this kind, every anon eats nothing but grass-fed beef from cattle that was treated as royalty on his family owned ranch.

>> No.13380658

>>13380656
Yes you are lying. There is no regulation on grass d

>> No.13380659

>>13380648
See how you’re just making shit up? This is why people aren’t converting to veganism. Because you just lie.

All beef is grass fed until the finishing stage. Please read about actual beef production. Your local University can help you to educate yourself.

>> No.13380661

>>13379467
The beyond burger really does smell like cat food

>> No.13380662

>>13380653
Post physique.

>>13380652
My point was never even adressed, not even badly, not even dismissed - you lot literally pretended like it was never said just like you pretend any similar post was never made.

>> No.13380665

>>13380661
More like cat piss but this is typical of the highly processed foods vegans prefer.

Vegans themselves often have a rank odor, probably their own bodies rotting away in real time.

>> No.13380667

>>13380566
>the vast majority of grains and soybeans grown in the US go to feed livestock
>b-but livestock are only finished on grain they eat grass and live in a pasture wonderland 99% of their lives where they befriend mice and rats
A farmer permitted me to collect manure from his cowsheds and guess what? There were long troughs in them and every morning, 365 days/year, they were filled with grain. If anything, the cattle supplemented their grain based diet with grass. You can stop with your disney fantasies for prepubescent kids, we ain't buying.

>> No.13380668

>>13380662
It was addressed above. Meat eaters don’t really care how many animals are killed. Vegans do. Cope with that while you eat your vegan food which is permeated with atomized mouse gore.

>> No.13380670

>>13380659
You can't actually disprove a single thing I've said or cite a fact on grass fed being better and less harmful

FACT: Grass fed is an unregulated term
FACT: Grass fed will finish on grain
FACT: Grass fed is NOT grass finished which is also unregulated
FACT: Grain fed are primarily in feedlots for efficiency
FACT: Grass fed is fed environmentally destructive alfalfa

>> No.13380673

>>13380659
https://meridianfarmmarket.ca/blog/grass-fed-grass-finished-beef-dont-be-deceived/
https://www.verdefarms.com/blog/what-is-the-difference-between-grass-fed-and-grass-finished-beef/
https://www.bradysbeef.com/grass-finished-beef.html

From websites of actual farms, it confirms what the other anon was saying is true and that you are lying. Post ranch.

>> No.13380678

>>13380668
So disprove this >>13380401

>> No.13380681

>>13380667
>some vegan has an anecdote which is totally believable
Vegans have a reputation as liars who have no compunction about pious lies. Much like Marxists, and there is much overlap between the communities.

Listen you’re not convincing anybody of anything here. Except that vegans don’t intend to switch away from mechanized agriculture.

Shot you’re probably not even a vegan, but a big ag shill working at AECOM.

>> No.13380684

>>13380665
I ate meat my entire life.
My gf gave me a taste when she bought it without telling me shit.
Ok it's a whopper, cool.
She tells me.
Ok.jpeg

This is litterally just some kids that couldn't eat their veggies and still haveen't grown out of their pampers as adults.
Shit tastes more of a burger than McD's and they supposedly use actual beef, although they are nasty as fuck.

>> No.13380685

>>13380164
Maybe in the United States. EU countries won't as they ban all these plant milks from even been called milk. Belgian doctors want vegan parents prosecuted for forcing a vegan diet on them

>> No.13380688

>>13380673
Sounds a little shady, you’ll forgive me if I don’t bother with your iffy sources. And I have no way of telling if those are real farms anyway.

>> No.13380689

>>13380668
But that's not an argument. The original argument was "vegans kill more animals!". This was refuted and then ignored. You then comming in and saying "lmao but I don't care haha!" doesn't disprove my point.

>>13380670
Grass-fed fags forever destroyed.

>> No.13380692

>>13380684
It tastes nothing like beef, the texture is completely different, and I seriously doubt you haven’t chopped your cock off yet.

>> No.13380698

>>13380688
You could call them, their contact info is there. Or google other farms. Or google the terms "grass-fed vs grass-finished". But why do that when you can lie?

>> No.13380699

>>13380689
It’s true, they do kill more animals. The only way for you to cope with this is to claim that grass fed isn’t grass fed, which is disingenuous.

Veganism might be the highest death per calorie diet in the world.

>> No.13380702

>>13380698
>calling a fake vegan call bank where they pretend to be ranchers
Shit next thing you’ll be saying is grass fed beef is really grass fed.

>> No.13380714

>>13380692
If I get my picky-with-food levels up to a thousand, I guess I can say they dismantle a little different than actual meat when I smush them.

But if that's enough for you to turn your face, throw a tantrum and demand mama buys a candy, I have bad news.
Seriously, the only thing I can think off that would turn people off would be the preknowledge of it, which is exactly how a kid does.

>> No.13380715

>>13380699
Wow, you're truly special... Over and over and over again you're been confronted with this simple fact: grass fed involves harvesting too. For hay for winter. Mostly alfalfa. Grass-fed cows require 15lbs+ of grass/hay to grow 1lb, meaning more total plant-matter is used, meaning more harvesting and more death due to mechanical harvesting. This has been repeated for your reading pleasure at least five times. How do you refute this?

(This is not even going into grass-fed beef being only 1-3% of the market...)

>> No.13380717

>>13380684
Only tried the beyond burger and rebel whopper. Impossible is banned in EU. They don't taste like beef. They close but there is a weird chemical aftertaste. Also everywhere that sells them in a burger drenches the shit in sauce.

>> No.13380721

>>13380702
Liar. Fucking disgusting liar who got caught in a lie and is trying to lie his way out. You have no idea how farms work and could not even be arsed to google it for 2 minutes so you could at least lie more convincingly. You're a troll and got caught, time to stop posting.

>> No.13380724

>>13380699
You've been given evidence that disproves all your claims. Counter it or cry harder, tranny

>> No.13380734

>>13380717
Fast food always was aweful.
Never in my life have I eaten from anywhere and said "oh wow, that's a tasty ass meat". Fuck no, it always tasted 150% processed and sometimes even tasted like machinery.
This stuff tastes no different from the rest of the manure they serve between buns.

>> No.13380735

>>13380724
None of the anecdotes you’ve provided are actual evidence.

>> No.13380740

>>13380721
I come from a ranching family. Beef is raised on ranches, ranchers just let the cattle browse wild most of the year on public lands.

They’re not feeding them grains at enormous cost. Only in the finishing stage, and never for grass fed.

>> No.13380747

>>13380735
Cry harder, tranny.

>> No.13380749

>>13380740
I come from a ranching family and you're lying.

>> No.13380763

>>13380069
>For you the most important thing is to tax me to death so you can give free food to all the non-whites in the world.
there are more white people on welfare and food stamps than nonwhites though

>> No.13380771

>>13380749
>>13380740
>HURR DURR websited of actual farms are not trustworthy but trust ME I'm an anon guy from 4chan I promise I'm telling the truth! From a magical ranch where cows graze during winter too haha!
Post pic of ranch w timestamp or fuck off.

>> No.13380830

>>13380747
>>13380749
>>13380771
Seething samefag. Don’t worry, you’ll soon forget about this thread as the weed and low protein diets contribute to brain fog. But it will agitate you well into your day, because as we all know veganism is both caused by, and results in, severe chemical imbalances in the brain.

>> No.13380884

>>13380830
Burn!

>> No.13380890

>>13380830
Imagine being so KEKED by meat you come to an anonymous anime themed cooking bbs and lie about living on a ranch to defend the meat industry, but are so stupid you forget to google for a minute so you can lie convincingly, and then you get caught in the lie and embarrass yourself, so you resort to some good ol' malnurishment jokes against vegans hoping it'll disctract people about your little blunder, but instead it doesn't and you get told once again that you're a liar and should kill yourself.

>> No.13380946

>>13380771
Lying tranny

>> No.13380955

>>13380830
Seething tranny. Enjoy 8 years of Bernie and an eternity of virginity

>> No.13380967

>>13380366
There is no nuance in life everything is either all good or all bad!!!111

>> No.13380983

>>13380830
‘People of the religion of scientism believe the earth is round,’ he said.

‘There’s proof that it’s not so and they still believe it. This proves that the scientism is a deeper form of deception than Christianity.’. -Sv3rige

https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2019/04/13/man-who-ate-raw-pigs-head-at-vegan-festival-stabbed-four-classmates-at-school-9184229/amp/

Carnism is mental illness

>> No.13380995

>>13380983
He has a point. People who “believe” the earth is round can’t explain why it is in most cases. They simply know it.

Same as how vegans simply “know” their “facts.”

Veganism is defunct and no amount of board shilling, Greta screeching, or eat-the-bugs-goyism is going to stop people from getting back into meat. Meat consumption is up globally. It’s up locally. And it’s a trend that will continue.

>> No.13381006

>>13380967
When both are genetically ehanced and the argument is about enhanced food being bad for you.... yes it is.

This isn't philosophy or politics where gray areas are abound.
This is a one dimentional question: is GMOs good or bad?
Anon says they are bad but makes exceptions for meat, even though they also are GMO.
I say that's wishful thinking to justify a bias.

>> No.13381009

>>13380995
More trolling.

>> No.13381015

>>13380401
>eggs
is that including or excluding the eggs themselves as "slaughtered"

>> No.13381053

>>13381009
It’s not trolling. People just choke down whatever garbage and go with the flow. It doesn’t matter if they understand anything or not, the comfort of belief is there to rescue them.

>> No.13381057

>>13381015
You’re not suggesting that tranny Marxist vegans would be disingenuous and lie to you to get you to do what they want you to do, are you?

>> No.13381063

>>13381015
>>13381057
Chick culling is the process of killing newly hatched chicks for which the intensive animal farming industry has no use. It occurs in all industrialised egg production whether free range, organic, or battery cage—including that of the UK and US.

>> No.13381077

>>13381063
Would you advocate just letting the male chicks starve? How about we get vegans to adopt thirty billion chicks a year.

>> No.13381105

>>13381077
What the fuck is this logic.

>> No.13381109

>>13379749
You realize that when man discovered how to cook meat, the brain grew substantially?

>> No.13381127

>>13381109
The same has been said about the act of just cooking food. The same has been said about when man started cooking tubers. Truth is there is no scientific consensus about this. But carnists don't believe in "scientism" anyway.

>> No.13381158

>>13381127
"Hey dude, what are you eating?"
"Oh I'm eating a rack, some sausages, a lamb and a spoonful of rice"
"Heck yeah dude, just ditch the rice next time and you feces will be as hard as mine"
"Word"

>> No.13381172

>>13381127
>has been said
Interesting turn of phrase there, it's almost like you wish to condemn people for not believing in your "science" yet you also wish to make up and pass along anything you like as scientifically true, as well.

People noticed this about lefty shills (veganism is under the lefty umbrella), that you have no shame and just feel fine with lying, but somehow you want to keep the moral high ground that you've awarded yourselves as well.

It's quite bizarre. And all the while people are electing Trump and eating more meat per year per person. Maybe the lying, acting haughty, shock tactics which you apparently don't care for when used against vegans, and so on are actually hurting you.

America is becoming rapidly immune to lefty pilpul. It's just not working any more, and the shriller and more strident it gets, the less heed people pay it.

Leftism itself is morally defunct, as are the attendant causes such as veganism, communism, labor unionism...

>> No.13381177

>>13381105
You're never, ever going to stop the egg industry so rather than grinding up the male chicks into McNuggets, what's your profitable alternative?

Bear in mind it has to be profitable or else you can't stop the grinding.

>> No.13381222

>>13380681
>my carnist anecdote of larping on a ranch was believable but your real (who would larp as a manure collector) anecdote is unbelievable
>a-and because I was so badly btfo itt I'l throw in an ad hominem of you being a s-scary marxist and cancel that ad hominem out with an ad hominem calling you an agricultural corporate shill
You're a special kind of retard, you are. Be careful, with your carnist diet you're at a much higher risk of stroke and your seething butthurt levels have you on the cusp of a cardiac event.

>> No.13381229

>>13380717
>Impossible is banned in EU
I don't understand how it's being sold in the USA either since it contains multiple ingredients not approved for humans by the USDA

>> No.13381233

>>13379467
Except that most catfood actually contains meat. It might actually be the healthier choice.

>> No.13381271

>>13380983
>95% of the world is carnist
>vegans think we're the mental ill ones
Sleep now little tranny

>> No.13381319

>>13381063
ah makes sense

>> No.13381325

>>13381229
Who runs the regulatory agencies? Who pays the senators and congressmen to look the other way?

>> No.13381332

>>13381222
>higher risk of stroke and cardiac events
that's only true if you look at that one study where the guy purposefully only looked at highly processed meats with massive amounts of nitrites

again the vegan has to lie to make its point, and yes I said it

>> No.13381335

>>13381271
No. That would be omnivore. There's even less carnists than vegans.

>> No.13381350

>>13381335
>the vegan booger man of people who only eat meat
you just sit around inventing words like carnist

that's not a word, the word is carnivore, because meat eaters don't generally attach a socio-political position to their dietary choices unlike vegists

>> No.13381354

>>13381335
Absolute retard. If you are not vegan, you are carnist.

>> No.13381363

>>13379479
Why are you surprised are you stupid or something? Obviously they don't just blend mushrooms with carrots and expect it to resemble meat.

>> No.13381364

>>13381332
It doesn't matter how many studies we post does it? Yourvwhole diet is "feelings" based anyway.

>> No.13381386

>>13381053
This literally describes meat-eaters ITT though. Look through the thread carefully, vegans say something and back it up with either a source or some argument - sure there are bants and insults, this being 4chan, but there's some substance too; meat-eaters however just dismiss whatever is said out of hand, often simply pretending it wasn't even said, then invoke antisemitic tropes and spew insults, after which they declare a flawless victory. Then they repeat some dumb point that's already been refuted. Rinse and repeat.

>>13381177
The point is that vegans are against the egg industry and boycott it for that very reason. The flaw in the "logic" of >>13381105 is that the reason we have thirty billion chicks is that we breed them for food, which vegans are against. So basically the 'argument' is: "So you're against breeding billions of animals for food, huh? Well guess what, we breed billions of animals for food! Now what? Checkmate, vegans!". Like, you're describing exactly why vegans oppose the egg industry...

>>13380946
Post ranch, liar.

>> No.13381398

>>13381354
Carnist isn't a word. And there are probably almost no strict human carnivores.

We're omnivores with a strong preference for animal fats and proteins. If you believe in science you must admit this is the truth.

>>13381364
Nope and feel free to post MIGA a bunch too, we're still electing Trump again in 2020.

>> No.13381407

>>13381386
>back it up with either a source or some argument
Poor sources and disingenuous arguments work against vegans. People are tired of engaging with them because vegans will lie right to your face.

Plus you're hurting your body and mind by depriving yourself of the most bioavailable nutrients. Face it, your death cult has peaked. The only people who are becoming new vegans are the poor brainwashed kids, and they're barely keeping the replacement rate up from the folks who lose their hair and teeth and wash out of the death cult program.

>> No.13381423

>>13379460
Is it true that all vegans are trans? What is it about being a faggot that has an influence on dietary preferences?

>> No.13381431

>>13381350
>carnist
Actually the term was coined by social psychologist Melanie Joy to describe meat-eating that has become ideological. Like when it's not just a habit or dietary choice but a deeply ingrained belief, one that one defends and even enganges in arguments about; one feels personally insulted even by the mere suggestion of not eating meat and defends the practice passionately. Often this kind of defense uses a variety of standard defense mechanist arguments, which Joy goes over in her book, and which are surprisingly predictable. Sound familiar?

(As a side note, I've also noticed that standard carnist points are impossible to prevent. Even if I, being of course able to predict most of them, make sure to counter them before they are even said, my counter will be ignored and the standard defense stated anyway. Often it will be repeated inspite of refutation; any and all refutations will simply be ignored as if they are not there at all. It's like a mantra, a prayer almost, not said as an actual argument to convince anyone else, but said as a defense mechanism to protect the belief the ideological meat-eaters hold.)

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>>13381423
No but they are the best drivers in the world.

>> No.13381449

>>13381431
is "dilate" a carnist talking point?

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13381454

>>13381431
>social psychologist Melanie Joy
Kek I looked her up and yep. She's Jewish.

EVERY SINGLE TIME

>> No.13381465

>>13381449
You know that /pol/ didn't even hate trannies until it became clear that they were all Marxists obsessed with getting into the wrong bathrooms don't you?

Now you've become damaged, but that's what trans visibility did. Turn all sane people against trannies. Whoops, own goal, no backsies, no re.

>> No.13381467

>>13381325
usually it's the soy and corn lobby since they are the most powerful ones. In this case though there's a lot of outside money from the tech industry coming in

fact is they have created some of the proteins and what not in these things for the first time in a lab and it hasn't proven to be safe to eat
not saying it isn't safe, but I'm not going to eat it until they prove it is and neither should anyone else

>> No.13381482

>>13381407
It's more like I'll post an argument and a meat-cuck will screech "LIE!!" and everyone will agree with that even without evidence, because they want to. The only person ITT to outright lie was the anon who insisted he lived on a ranch and then got btfo'd with websites from actual farms and ranches.

>Poor sources and disingenuous arguments work against vegans.
No they don't, we know the sources are poor and arguments disingenuous and point this out. They work for anti-vegans because at the end of the day you just don't like vegans and you like eating meat, so you'll believe whatever the hell you want to believe. You don't care. Anti-vegans will even at times post studies that they claim prove veganism to be dangerous and it turns out if you click the link that it's not even about that, it's just some random diet-related study barely relevant to veganism. And yet people will declare that proof. "Vegans BTFO'd by SCIENCE!" Because they don't care. You could literally fart into a can and record the sound and put it up on vocaroo and claim it's proof against veganism and it would fly ITT. You don't care. Why can't you just admit you don't care and refuse to change your mind?

>>13381423
>What, my rampant antisemitism isn't being accepted as an argument? Why, I even blamed immigrants and blacks! This would totally have worked on /pol/! Better ramp it up with some spicy transphobia too, that'll work right?
Not an argument.

>> No.13381488

>>13381447
is that supposed to be an impressive physique?
he's be double that size if he introduced some chicken to his diet

>> No.13381492

>>13380595
The guy in the pic is a well-known cycler

>> No.13381495

>>13381482
>>13381431
imagine caring this much about what other people eat that you write an essay on 4chan about it lmao!

>> No.13381497

>>13381488
He doesn't need to be built like a bodybuilder to be the greatest formula 1 driver of all time.

>> No.13381499

>>13380224
Worse than autism-- Vegans are hatefilled with rage against normal HUWHITE healthy people, especially families.

You would never see vegans go to a chicken shop in the ghetto and start screaming at some soul-brothers eating chicken, (((they))) specifically target white people (somehow they have an intelligence apparatus to make sure i'm not there when they do it) ((((vegan activists)))) only target whites, they want us to starve, they want their black sperm donors to be healthy.

>> No.13381504

>>13381449
>>13381454
As nobody ever admits to being wrong on 4chan, my criteria for debates are that if a reply contains ONLY antisemitism, racism, or trans/homophobia, etc. then the person has lost and has no argument. It's the 4chan equivalent of a blank page, "I have nothing to say so I'll say JEWS/TRANNIES!". Note: I mean when a post ONLY contains those things - this is still 4chan and if someone spicies a post up with some racism or posts a happy merchant or whatever that's fine by me, as long as there's SOME other content in the post.

>> No.13381507

this thread is fucking garbage

>> No.13381512

>>13381398
Carnist is a made up vegan word for anyone not vegan. Ofc humans are omnivores but vegans consider omnivores carnist. Some vegans even consider organic vegetables carnist as animal manure is used

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>>13381467
Most of these things are GMO's too which still haven't been adequately studied.

>>13381482
People wrote off your shrill, bloody front holed arguments years ago. Activism itself is tiresome, people are tuning it out, and distancing themselves from activists as well.

There's no arguing with you, so why argue with me? You're never going to change your positions so why extend you the courtesy and time that you need to wheedle on me, and then call me names when I don't comply?

Nope, you lost the plot a long time ago. Even billions in media promotion isn't enough, we hit peak veganism in like 2015 and it's been downhill since for you tards.

Pretty much all the social justice lefty pseudo-Marxist garbage out there is on the wane now. There might have been some good points but it was all mixed up into a curate's egg of foul taste.

So just buckle up for another four years of Trump, and then eight years of Pence, and mandatory carnist reinforcement training in the media instead of eat your bugs / soy isolate brainwashing like we've been having.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ga_M5Zdn4

>> No.13381520

>>13381319
>>13381015
adding to this, how much farmland is used for eggos vs beef
not trying to pick a side of meat vs cornholes, im a happy omnivore
just interested in potential ethical reasoning for the amount of steaks vs amount of fried eggs/egg baked goods I eat in future

>> No.13381527

>>13381520
>potential ethical reasoning
Might as well get yourself a custom navel gazing appliance.

>> No.13381528

>>13379489
this, use to sneak these to my room when i was a kid

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>>13379460
>The Impossible Burger is just wet dog food minus the flavor agent
huh, no wonder my dog refused to eat the impossible burger. I thought it tasted alright but smelled kinda funny but I trust my dog when it comes to meat.

>> No.13381530

>>13381504
I'm not wrong, you are actually a tranny

>> No.13381531

>>13381495
Imagine using the fact that someone effort-posted and wrote a detailed argument AS AN INSULT to that person. Imagine just hating intelligence and knowledge with such intensity that you see that kind of effort as a bad thing worth mocking.

>>13381499
www.afrovegansociety.org
www.afrofeministavegan.com
http://sistahvegan.com
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jlxC3WqGR8

Veganism is getting pretty big among the black SJW crowd, actually. And, btw, Israel has ten times more vegans per capita than the US so if veganism it's a jewish conspiracy to weaken whites it sure backfired...

>> No.13381532

>>13381497
You mean Michael Schumacher?

>> No.13381535

>>13381514
>Most of these things are GMO's too which still haven't been adequately studied.
it depends what you're doing to them. If you're just editing genes that already exist to produce specific growth results there's no need for extra studying because the plant isn't any different

if you're doing something like gene splicing to put things into plants that weren't there before then it needs a deeper look.

People blanket term GMO when most of the time it's really just innocuous stuff to encourage stronger crops by taking a short cut towards something that could eventually be achieved with cross breeding

>> No.13381539

>>13381497
so the greatest vegan athlete participates in a sport where you don't actually run around and you just sit in place the entire time

there's a joke here somewhere

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>>13381504

>> No.13381543

>>13381530
They were never exactly sane before but the relentless trans visibility campaign here has really caused people to lash back at them and now they're more weepy and hormonal (taking extra pills maybe?).

Being trans is like being vegan. Both are causes which define the individual. You got a tranny vegan there? Oh neat, that's all anybody needs to know about them to correctly write them off. A perfect storm of attention seeking behaviors.

>> No.13381548

>>13380635
>Grass fed retards unironically think these fuckers just chew on grass outside the entire fucking day. They are fed alfalfa grown in California which takes up shitpiles of land and is the most water intensive crop in the state

Good. Fucking great news!! They are using all this land for beef for me, is the correct?? Hopefully this will also cause all welfare scammers and migrants to starve to death as well?? Pls advise?

>> No.13381553

>>13381512
All words are made up, anon.

>>13381530
Oh common lad, surely you can at least come up with another insult! I just basically called you an idiot because you only have two go-to insults, quick now give us another or confirm that you're a brainlet.

>>13381514
>MAGA MAGA MAGA
I don't give two shits I'm in Europe but if I wasn't I would've voted for Trump lmao. The rest of your post just sounds like whining, I mean common you can't have it both ways - either vegans lost and you are the triumphant winner, or vegans are oppressing you and you feel hurt by the namecalling and need a waaahmbulance. You can't declare victory and whine in the same breath.

>> No.13381555

>>13381535
>If you're just editing genes that already exist to produce specific growth results there's no need for extra studying because the plant isn't any different
On what evidence do you say this? You can't edit a simple computer program without consequences often showing up in unexpected places, I don't think it's correct to say the same about GMOs.

For now I avoid GMOs. Once the government and independent researchers publish a couple decades of material confirming their safety, I might reconsider. But GMOs are usually only in the lowest quality, most heavily processed foods so my avoidance of them is a pretty low effort affair and I don't eat that garbage anyway.

>> No.13381566

>>13379523
>hurr durr everything is made of chemicals
>r/iamverysmart

>> No.13381567

>>13381553
I wasn't declaring victory or whining. It's statistically true that global meat consumption per person has been on the rise. My only issue is when vegans constantly belly ache about their causes, to the point where it's irritating, and when people call them out they whine some more.

Too much activism is maybe actually worse for a given cause than none at all.

>> No.13381570

>>13381543
It's more like "tranny" became a standard insult as a reaction to all the tranny porn threads and trap anime that coomers put up, so it gets overused on 4chan. Note that nobody brought trannies up except a couple of posters who just started calling each-other and everyone else "tranny!" over and over while everyone else just ignored it.

>>13381548
Could you do me a favor and just be as honest about this belief as you can in the future?

>> No.13381579

>>13381172
>eating more meat per year per person

>U.S. Department of Agriculture data show annual per capita beef consumption in steady decline since 1976 when it peaked at 94 pounds a year

http://m.startribune.com/as-alternatives-to-beef-rise-in-the-u-s-demand-for-beef-is-surging-elsewhere/508542922/

Oops, another set of facts for the carnist to deny, lol!
>voting for the orange emperor
The majority of trump voters are too ignorant and stupid to have ever heard of veganism.

>> No.13381584

>>13380656
The only people who gaf about this issue and are here to talk about it, eat grass fed beef, maybe raw. (((You))) desperately want to conduct your debate with an obese Walmart shopper shoving cheese pizza down his throat getting fatter and fatter, but you will never engage him, because he doesn't give a fuck about food or even his own health. He is not here he's at McDonald's, eating something unhealthy.

Although all your vegan brainwashing was given to you against the perfect obese Walmart strawman as your enemy. He is closer to you than me, you and him shovelling unhealthy junk food into your face and being sick.

>> No.13381585

>>13381567
So meat-eating is increasing... but people who are activists trying to prevent that should quiet down, because it's annoying you? That's your point? Oh, good sir, my apologies! I did not in my desire to help animal welfare, the environment and human health even consider Your feelings! Of course, You matter more than anything else, fuck my beliefs and convictions and fuck literally everything else, as long as Sir Anon gets to do whatever he wants without feeling *gasp* annoyed!

(You're whining.)

>> No.13381602

>>13381585
Impossible Whopper is dog food. Vegans by to.

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>>13381447
If some faggot NWO elite says to go vegan, that tells me to avoid it like aids and gay bathhouses.

>> No.13381607

>>13381570
>coomers put up
That was actual trannies, all the 4chan mods and jannies were doxxed on Kiwi Farms not very long ago. It's like half trannies here.

>> No.13381620

>>13381585
>people who are activists trying to prevent that should quiet down, because it's annoying you?
Not just me. Vegans are renowned for being shrill assholes. Over-shilling causes a tune-out reaction, and if it's kept up, people lash out. It's part of the reason Trump won, the lefty shilling was so off the charts that people saw right through it and decided to punish the shills and the people who engaged them to do their dirty, irritating work.

The shilling industry is big business though, so they aren't adequately communicating to their sponsors the depth of damage that proshills are doing to the shill game in general or their own specific causes.

>> No.13381623

>>13381584
First of all, yes - most vegan arguments are directed against the 99% of people who don't eat grass-fed. That does not mean that we don't have arguments against grass-fed, and in fact those have been posted (and ignored) ITT several times.

Secondly, I do think you are lying, at least many of you. This is evidenced by a complete lack of understanding of how grass-fed works (or even what it means!) and a rose-tinted view of grass-fed that indicates a belief in meat-industry propaganda rather than familiarity with actual processes. I'm sure some anons do eat-grass fed, this being a cooking board after all, but many just make it up. Being an activist (IRL not here) I *do* speak to the equivalent of Walmart shoppers in my country all the time, and guess what? Curiously, they all also eat only grass-fed organic beef and nothing else ever! Wow, amazing, only 1% of beef is grass-fed and yet every meat-eater I speak to eats only grass-fed! Even when their shopping cart is full of processed meats, nope, just a one time incident, hey how did that even get there oops! People lie to feel better and because they can't justify factory farming so they think they can at least justify grass-fed organic to some extent. Which maybe they can, hey even I won't argue it's somewhat better for the animals - but at the end of the day 99% of beef is not like that. I'm not crazy for prioritizing that 99% over the picture perfect ideal you chose to delude yourself into believing.

>> No.13381649

>>13381520
There are huge different ways to raise eggs/chicken. Auschwitz factory farm chicken to feed the huddled masses. Uses less land but is unspeakable cruel.

Modern regenerative cattle ranchers are introducing laying hens into their operations at zero (or theoretical, not actual lol) cost in new land. The chickens follow behind the cows and eat totally different stuff that cows can't, like bugs.

There is a productivity revolution happening, on ranches, if ((((the fucking vegans))))) don't shut it down and force feed us chemical sludge.

>> No.13381662

>>13381602
It's not meant for vegans and technically not even vegan, jackass.

>>13381607
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

>>13381620
In my experience, that's rarely the case. Some loud loonies, sure, and they get used as examples, but most vegans are not like that. But meat-eaters see them like that no matter what. Meat-eaters feel confronted and annoyed by the idea of veganism as such, so that even when someone politely or quietly just lives their life as a vegan, some people will feel confronted. I don't know how many arguments I've gotten into just for ordering a vegan option somewhere and then having someone attack me over it - but of course, ask that person and they're 100% sure I started it, I mean how dare I be vegan where he can see or hear me?

Consider this, admittedly pretty hilarous, story:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/vegan-woman-community-barbecue-sued-neighbours-meat-smells-perth-a9091396.html

Who seems more over the top here, more triggered, hell more *passionate* about their activism for their diet? The meat-eaters. Someone DARED to question their beloved meat and, like you indeed say, they decided to punish the person through an organised event meant to humiliate. Thousands of people did this. One annoying vegan, *thousands* of meat-eaters. It's funny! But it also kinda makes me thing Melanie Joy was right, carnism *is* an ideology. It's more than just food, people feel very strongly about this and will defend their belief.

>> No.13381672

>>13381566
No you cretin, the point is you can't imitate complex thing other way.

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>>13381579
Now post chicken consumption, protip it's to the moon.

((((They)))) told the sheeples that red meat was unhealthy, so they started stuffing their faces with more chicken than ever.

>Anon says "meat consumption"
>You respond with a different subject and just discussed one kind of meat.

I guess I'm still waiting for that first honest vegan to appear on flat Earth....

>> No.13381676

>>13381662
>that's rarely the case
That's where you're wrong.

And in any event it sounds like the vegan woman was going out of her way to make herself a pill for a long time, until her neighborhood got sick of it and decided to razz her. Then she sued.

Vegans over-shilled, there's no coming back from that. No amount of temporary moderation will rehabilitate them. It's over for veganism.

>> No.13381678

>>13381662
You have yet to disprove the accusation of being a tranny, yet expect me to continue reading your text walls?

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>>13381623
>First of all, yes - most vegan arguments are directed against the 99% of people who don't eat grass-fed

Well you are not going to finde them here, so why post disengenuous arguments to us?? (Don't bother answering, it's because all you know how to do is mentally cut-n-paste your original vegan brainwashing you got from cowspiracy and watching Joey Cuckstrong.)

>> No.13381702

>>13380566
There's actual sources and links in this thread that proves you wrong but ok flat earther.

>> No.13381707

>>13381649
the only poultry I really eat is duck and sometimes chicken thighs, the longest line of ducklings won't change that
I wonder if there's a meme eggless diet fad I can push to appease big beef, big milk and big soi industries

>> No.13381713

>>13381623
>Vegans lie to feel better and because they
can't justify intensive factory crop monoculture
Farming, they think they can justify the blood on
Their hands by pointing the finger at others no
More guilty than them of animal cruelty.

(((They))) ease their mind with well applied sophistry, and assurances from Joey Cuckstrong, that there are another group of people who "kill more animals than you do"

>> No.13381722

>>13381696
100% grass fed beef is extremely rare in western countries and quite literally impossible to do on a large enough scale to feed the world's population. Grass fed is a unregulated term how do you know your beef is 100% grass fed and not finished on grains? Do you perhaps... Work on a ranch?

>> No.13381725

>>13381623
And the reason (((you))) lie so passionately about natural pasture farms, is because you don't give a fuck if the cows live pleasant Healthy outdoor lives under the sun. You just rage if I eat meat. Nothing else matters but your hatred for normal people and your devotion to your starvation cult. Starve away nutjob and we'll post your emaciated ghostlike images up here with your (((comrades))) in time

>> No.13381738

>>13381722
>100% grass fed beef is extremely rare in western countries
No, it's not. It's literally sold at every Wal-Mart. And it's extremely easy to tell grass fed from grass finished beef just by appearance. Of course, being a tranny vegan, you'd never be able to bring yourself to look at meat without your long feigned but now trained gag reflex kicking in.

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>>13381722
>Grass fed beef is...
>quite literally impossible to do on a large enough scale to feed the world's population

How is this even an argument?? Lol this must have impressed (((you))) at "vegan brainwashing 101" but how the fuck could you think any sane person gives a fuck about that??

Fuck you and the entire world populations of non-whites. One good roast beef sandwich is worth more than all of ((((you))) combined.

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>>13381722
>how do you know your beef is 100% grass fed and not finished on grains?
But that's the best kind. It results in a natural tasting beef that's not overly lean as it's allowed to fatten up at the end.

>> No.13381771

>>13381738
There's multiple links to sources in this thread that shows that official "grass fed" beef is often finished on grain. Eat a vegetable, you clearly need it.

>> No.13381789

>>13381771
>anecdotes provided by vegans have value and are "sources"
lol

>> No.13382018

>>13381713
>ignoring countless posts ITT disproving this retarded line of reasoning about monocultures (which are, again, mostly for animal feed), more feigned outrage, more "muh vegans with blood on their hands" while savoring dead animal
The meat-cuck cries out in pain as he strikes you (and the animals, the planet and his own health).

>>13381678
Why would I address it at all? It's dumb shit you pulled out your ass because for no reason other than that you have nothing to say other than "lmao tranny!" and whatever I say you'll just repeat "lol tranny!". But nah I'm a just a normal straight dude if you must know. Now say "tranny" again and have a laugh, m8, I know you have precious little else in your life.

>>13381696
I directed my arguments against grass-fed as well, as did other vegans ITT, you just kept ignoring that and pretending like I didn't.

>>13381725
>pleasant outdoor lives under the sun
This is a lie you made up, and yes I have noticed you anon who uses that particular phrase over and over.

>>13381749
>sane people don't give a fuck mass starvation!
Anon, I...
>me enjoying meat is more valuable than most of humanity!
I know, but that's not sane and you're not well in the head. At least you're honest.

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>>13382018
>The meat-cuck cries out in pain as he strikes you (and the animals, the planet and his own health).

If I were hurting my own health you would celebrate it. I am overjoyed when vegans get sick and die. Anything my sworn enemies "advise" me to do, is obviously crafted for my own destruction.

Do you have any more "advise" for me?

>> No.13382094 [DELETED] 

>>13382018
>This is a lie you made up, and yes I have noticed you anon who uses that particular phrase over and over.

>> No.13382102

>>13379489
They're bland but not bad.

>> No.13382123
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13382123

My dear seething meatcuckies,

Thank you all for this excercise in which I was once again allowed to intellectually dominate meat-cucks and show that they have no argument save for screeching and antisemitism (and, for some reason, transphobia - do we perhaps have a repressing tranny ITT who's trying to project masculinity via meat?) and, as always, ignoring any sources as well as all science. You are laughably insecure and your seething would be amusing if it wasn't so ignorant and dangerously dumb. Still, your clear ideological commited to meat has caused me to reconsider and want to re-read Melanie Joy and I'll probably spend the next few months working on a research proposition on the topic of the social psychology of meat-eating for my post-doc. Having now finished with my daily workout and taken an ice-cold shower, I am getting ready for my 8 hours of sleep needed to build and maintain my physique, so I bid you all farwell. Tomorrow is deadlift day and I need my rest.

Yours truly,
Vegan Chad

(P.S. Please enjoy this recipe for vegan haggis I found.)

>> No.13382133

>>13382086
>I feel joy at the suffering of others and so do you!
No, I am empathic and care about human AND animal well-being, and unlike you I'm not an edgy 15 year old who thinks that saying things like that make him cool on the Internet rather than a disturbed and mentally ill person. I'm not your "sworn enemy", you cringey child...

>> No.13382158

>>13381006
you were the first to bring up GMOs, no one had anything negative to say about GMOs

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>>13380531

>> No.13382844

>>13379489
it tastes like freeze dried chicken

in the event of starvation I'd eat a Milk Bone before I ate an Impossible Whopper

>> No.13382855

>>13380000
>Are you that rich tho?
>implying there isn't a local rancher a phone call away who would be happy to cut out the middle men and slaughter you a cow of your choosing from his herd for even half of retail price
the rancher sells to the processor who sells to the store who sells to the shopper, the price doubles at every stop along the way

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>>13380401
>eggs are animals

>> No.13382939

>>13381127
Literally it is accepted among the scientific community that eating bone marrow helped our brains develop.

>> No.13382943

>>13381579
Says meat consumption increases through the year
>yeah well this proves beef consumption is on the decline!
Again, vegan's manipulating data

>> No.13382946

>>13380648
cattle can't eat much alfalfa actually, gives them bloat

you feed it to sheep more than cattle

>> No.13382948

>>13380366
No one is saying GMO veggies are bad. We've been genetically modifying foods for centuries.

>> No.13382950

>>13382946
* and horses

beef can't eat more than a fraction of alfalfa in their feed, it's more used to enrich the soil before you grow hay, which is what cattle do eat

but you don't know shit so all is forgiven

>> No.13382955

>>13381006
He isn't saying GMO foods are bad. He isn't saying the impossible burger is bad for using GMO products. He is saying that it's the equivalent of dog food because it's just a bunch of shit thrown together in a paste then molded. There are probably ingredients in there that are closer to what you find in gum than in real food.

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>>13382948
Yes, people are saying GMO and recombinant DNA technology are bad or at least not proved to be safe, and no selective breeding is not GMO but swing and a miss eh?

>> No.13382964

>>13382956
No one in this thread is saying GMO's are bad. Yes im sure some faggot that shops at Trader Joe's says that, but that's totally irrelevant to this thread.
Selective breeding is GMO and if you don't think so then you're just 100% wrong sorry to say.

To add to this, OP's point isn't that impossible burger is bad because it uses GMO's anyways.

>> No.13382968

>>13382964
>No one in this thread is saying GMO's are bad.
Plenty of people are, and it's a fact that there's no proof that they're healthsome and good.

GMOs are for the human-shaped cattle who don't know any better, like Impossible Whoppers.

>> No.13382974

>>13382968
There's literally nothing wrong with GMO's

And the point OP was trying to make about the impossible burger being bad is because it's like dog food, which I agree, literally a bunch of shit thrown together.

The impossible burgers seems like something Jack would cook up

>> No.13382992

>>13379935
God damnit, I know this movie, I just cant remember.
This will haunt me for weeks.

>> No.13383019

>>13382974
>There's literally nothing wrong with GMO's
Yes there is, it's a completely untested technology that has yet to meet with any approval from any regulatory agency in a credible fashion. Generally recognized as safe is not a good policy.

GMOs are for like, livestock and poor people. Everybody knows this.

>> No.13383069

>>13382992
Mad Max

>> No.13383170

>>13383019
>theres no evidence that gmo's are bad
So what exactly are you getting at?

>> No.13383224

>>13382123
Fucking A+ vegan bro. It's hilarious when people sperg out over someone actually presenting studies and information and all they can do is call you names.

That's not how the world works retards.

>> No.13383296

>>13383170
>no evidence that they're good
checkmate

>> No.13383495

>>13381566
why did you link a subreddit when this isnt reddit