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I want to eat meat but I also want animals to get treat well what do?

>> No.13345787

>>13345785
Raise and butcher your own.

>> No.13345788

>>13345785
buy from farms that make it a point to treat the animals well while they're still alive, but be prepared to pay more for that. donate to companies developing lab-grown meat.

>> No.13345790

>>13345785
Buy from farmer's markets or whatever.
Just be prepared for it to chunk your wallet.

>> No.13345794

>>13345785
only buy top quality single sourced meats that believe in the same ideals, “like it used to be”. expect 3x increase in price realistically. I agree with you, btw, and do it when I can. Find an independent butcher in a well off area, and ask them the same question, they can give you very real answers.

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13345795

>another vegan thread

>> No.13345797

>>13345785
some people say that clams/oysters/mussels are basically meat plants and don't really feel pain like other animals, but i don't know if that's true or not.

>> No.13345805

>>13345785
stop being a literal homo. it's not normal for a man to care about animals so much he wants to stop eating meat. you are suffering from hormonal imbalance.

>> No.13345810

>>13345785
Christianity teaches us the importance of sacrifice so just think of each animal you eat as being like Jesus

>> No.13345812

>>13345805
it's not normal for animals to live horrible lives in factory farms either and that's probably a big cause of what makes people try to stop supporting it

>> No.13345814

>>13345805
hormonal imbalance from not eating enough meat

>> No.13345817

>>13345785
dude its easy as shit to stop eating meat now. fucking burger king has fake burgers now. Just make a salad every week, fry up some tofu in some homemade garlic sauce with broccoli, replace beef with refrided beans in tacos and you are good to go

>> No.13345820

>>13345805
I've hunted before, it's one thing to kill them yourself, it's another for these wretched creatures to born, raised, fucked and slaughtered in little boxes.

>> No.13345826

>>13345805
>you are suffering from hormonal imbalance.
This, it's like boys playing with girls' dolls. Zoomers are so fucked.

>> No.13345872

>>13345805
I can tell you're one of those retards who think buying meat from extra miserable conditions will compensate for your tiny penis.

>> No.13345950

>>13345785
Eat good quality meat from premium sources. That's all. Yes you have to pay more. You can't afford it? Then shut up and eat less meat.

>> No.13345967

Eat wagyu I heard they get their fur brushed the whole day and get treated like family.

>> No.13345978

I want to eat, but I also want all my food to get treat well wat do

>> No.13345982

>>13345785
plant chicken seeds after you eat meat

>> No.13345988
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13345988

>>13345785
Watch Temple Grandin and support her methods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=852zxDEAR-Q

>> No.13346140

>>13345785
Those animals you eat get to chill out all day long and get fed very well. If they were out in the wild they’d have to worry about finding food and avoiding predators. They’d live a far less /comfy/ life and most would end up suffering terribly before death

Meat is always a feel good food

>> No.13346145

>>13345785
Animals are inferior to you. Correct your wrong thinking.

>> No.13346147

>>13345988
i love this autistic bitch

>> No.13346165

>>13345785
stop being a pussy. those animals would eat you if given a chance.

>> No.13346169

>>13345820
and your efforts and good intentions aren't going to make a lick of difference nor will any animal or person (besides the mentally ill, like yourself) ever give a shit. have fun participating in the cult of sadomachism.

>> No.13346179

Only way is to raise your own animals and treat them kindly as you can without getting attached. They’re not pets. Buy directly from small scale farmers who will let you look around their farm, they’d be happy to sell you half an cow or a sheep which would last you year round. You need the freezer space in the case. Or you can buy from local markets, which is usually a smallholder selling their stuff.

>> No.13346191

>>13345785
raise them well and slaughter them quickly

>> No.13346212

>>13346145
>Only those superior to you are worthy of empathy
Cuck

>> No.13346233

>>13346169
Oh please explain how just industrial farming would be a thing if no one bought their shit.
Fucking retard.

>> No.13346262

>>13346140
>"Chilling" aka being locked up in a cage 24/7 all of your life qualifies as "/comfy/"
It's so fucking hard for me to imagine how anyone could delude themselves into thinking this. Why don't you try going prison faggot, and we'll see how /comfy/ you'll be in there?

>> No.13346277 [DELETED] 

>>13345785
Just chose to believe the animal ag propaganda about how they live happy lives on the farms and "humane slaughter" is a thing and how basically the world would end somehow if we stopped eating meat so really you're doing them a favor! You know, like literally everyone else in the world does. Don't be one of those crazy stupid vegans who loves animals and then proceeds to show that love by nothing butchering animals and eating their corpses. That's crazy! Just because you some something doesn't mean you can enslave it, torture it and kill it for food for your own pleasure, duh! Bacon.

>> No.13346288

>>13345785
Just chose to believe the animal ag propaganda about how they live happy lives on the farms and "humane slaughter" is a thing and how basically the world would end somehow if we stopped eating meat so really you're doing them a favor! You know, like literally everyone else in the world does. Don't be one of those crazy stupid vegans who loves animals and then proceeds to show that love by not butchering animals and eating their corpses. That's crazy! Just because you love something doesn't mean you can enslave it, torture it and kill it for food for your own pleasure, duh! Bacon.

>> No.13346315

>>13346262
But anon! They're *so* comfy in there that it's *literally illegal* to film their comfyness! People would be jealous of the animals if they knew how comfy their lives where. That's why if you enter a farm and film the animals you'll go to jail, and if the footage shows torture well then I'm sure that whatever random farm was picked just happened to be one of the bad apples! Though sometimes, only sometimes, I do wonder how come *every* time footage surfaces it's *always* torture? I mean I know it's just bad apples and that all the other animals are basically living in a cosy secret paradise in there, but what a *huge coincidence* that whenever one of those crazy activists picks a farm at random and films conditions, it always winds up being one of those rare torture farms and never one of the comfy ones! Really makes you think... Anyway, filming torture on someone's farm to expose them is a violation of the Sacred Right of private property anyway. I mean, you wouldn't like it if someone exposed crimes *you* were commiting, would you?

>> No.13346320

>>13345872
Dude. Fucking show compassion. Don't kill anons like that.

>> No.13346326 [DELETED] 

>>13345785
Get a dog, give him lots of pets and blowjobs. You'll get your fill of animal protein and he'll love you for it. My pupper is the happiest good boi in the world.

>> No.13346327

>>13346140
This was true before factory farming and why people probably didn't worry about it as much, both sides were getting something good out of the deal. But I don't think animals in factory farms have better lives than wild animals most of the time now.

>> No.13346331

>>13346145
You're inferior to me, correct your thinking
>>13345988
The music really gets me in this one for some reason

>> No.13346397

>>13345785
Eat pasture raised amd finished cows
And stop watching disney movies, animals are not humans

>> No.13346414

>>13345988
man that was pretty based, i wish all animals were kept and slaughtered with this standard.

>> No.13346435

Forgive your father for raising such an overly sensitive son and acquire a strong, male role model.

All of these vegans and vegetarians are result of a weak or missing fatherly presence and being raised by single mothers.

>> No.13346437

Work on a farm for a few weeks. You’ll understand how retarded, irritating pigs, cows and chickens are. It will be a lot easier to eat them

>> No.13346440

>>13346435
My father taught be compassion for all living things, because altruism is a masculine trait and only edgy teens and overcompensating betas think that cruelty and lack of empathy makes them tough.

>>13346397
>ignore all cognitive science and biology that tells us they feel pain and suffer, it's probably just them cartoons
Idiot.

>> No.13346441

>>13346435
And what about empathically disturbed individuals who think indifference in the face of suffering is to be held as virtue?

>> No.13346446

>>13346440
>My father taught be compassion for all living things

Ah. This must be the new millennial parenting I’ve been hearing about

>> No.13346450

>>13345785
you should not harm animals without reason
food production is enough of a reason to make me not care

>> No.13346453

>>13346441
We’re talking about the suffering of animals. Not humans. We are at the top of the food chain so we get to eat animals below us. Just like how a mountain lion may eat me one day

>> No.13346459

>>13345785
eat meat and stop being such a sissy faggot

>> No.13346461

>>13346441
The corporations are indifferent to the suffering so I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. They’re just trying to feed a growing population and make bucks. Ted bundy doesn’t own Tyson foods

>> No.13346466

>>13346446
He was an older, conservative Eastern European man. Not vegan himself, but not that's to be expected from his culture, though he had respect for animals. Show me anyman who upholds lack of caring as a virtue and I'll show you a frustrated beta still angry that the girls in high-school would date the "assholes" and not him. Pathetic.

>>13346437
I know what you mean, I've worked in customer service and boy did I want to kill and eat everyone who got on my nerves cause that's a completely normal and healthy response to have haha.

>> No.13346471

>>13346453
>Just like how a mountain lion may eat me one day
Bet you wouldn't be too happy about that, though.

>>13346459
MEAT MANLY. VEGETABLE-MAN THREATEN MY MASCULINITY!

>> No.13346476
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>>13345812
>derp animal cruelty is against the law
>derp but there are secret farms that cruelly kill aminals but arent shut down for some reason
>derp gubments wrong and so are these farms
>derp aminals are people 2 ya kno
>derp im right
>derp conpsiracy
>derp stob eatin aminals

>> No.13346481

>>13346471
That's not how you stop being a sissy faggot cringetard.

>> No.13346492

>>13346453
The mountain lion won't lock you up in a tiny cage for years on end. Death is inevitable sure. Suffering however is easily avoided if there's a will.
Sadly it's when retards like you enter the game that simple improvements become difficult to implement.

>> No.13346496

>>13346461
I am talking about you.

>> No.13346500

>>13346476
>derp the law isn't absolute shit
>derp let's trust the industry to be conscientious at that
>abloobloo stop reminding me my precious consumption has consequences :(

>> No.13346518

>>13345785
Life is suffering. All living things die. At least the food animals don't die in vain, unloved, unwanted, and alone.

>> No.13346524

I don’t see the point of trying to convince others to adopt your diet. No matter how hard you try there will always be people like myself that will forever crave and consume meat and there is nothing you can do about it. Animals will die and burgers will be made no matter what.

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>>13346500
>derp the law isn't absolute shit
>stop reminding me my precious consumption has consequences :(
>im a fucking idiot who looked at dumb pictures on facebook so now im better than what the law could enforce
What a fucking retard, Imagine actually believing this drivel.

>> No.13346542

>>13346518
Finally we got the incel take on the situation

>> No.13346545

>>13346534
>something something facebook
Wow hot argument there

>> No.13346549

>>13346545
>has no argument
thanks for trying though

>> No.13346551

>>13346524
I don't see the point of animals suffering horribly at the hands of the industrial farming complex when plenty could be done to improve their living conditions.

>> No.13346552

>>13346549
>implying you had one

>> No.13346557
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>>13346552
Your argument is that you think you know better than everyone else. Which is the same as not having one.

>> No.13346563

>too much of a pussy to confront the monstrosity of your being
>think repressing the reality of the situation makes you a hardass
Every time.

>> No.13346564
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13346564

Find a farm that has its own butcher shop and if possible slaughters its own beasts. 100% Grass fed right til the end. Pasture raised. Organic. All that jazz.

Then learn to love all the animal. Don't just go for the nice clean looking easy cuts. Go for cheeks, tails, feet, organs, tough cuts that require hours of stewing. Make the animal's sacrifice worth something.

>> No.13346565

>>13346440
my father taught me not to be a weirdo and better eat that steak

>> No.13346567

>>13346557
Nice strawman. I only claim to know better than you. Which is self-evident.

>> No.13346568

>>13346551
Because many people lack the empathy towards animals that you have. Many people in corporate lack empathy obviously. It won’t change

>> No.13346585
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13346585

>>13345785
Pay more and eat grass fed beef, the cows have pleasant lives outdoors, and none of the factory farm type abuse. Also no pesticides use, no deep tilling and other horrific methods which are used in plant agriculture.

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>>13345795
This isn't technically a veganthred fren.

>> No.13346595

ethical consumption is fucking retarded and until systemic measures are put in place by some kind of autocratic shithead regime domesticated animals will continue to be mistreated and your impact on the agricultural industry will be negligible at best

>> No.13346601

>>13346595
But vegans killing millions of animals for their food is totally fine.

>> No.13346606

>>13346567
No it isn't moron, you are talking in circles.

>> No.13346614

>>13346568
Meat doesn't consume itself. Every consumer have in their hands the lives of a certain number of animals. You can choose to stick your head in the sand or actually look at what you are responsible for. And I can guarantee you if people actually had to witness how those nuggets came into existence few would buy them as indiscriminately.

>> No.13346620

>>13346606
Oh the irony.

>> No.13346650

>>13346620
How predictable.

>> No.13346659

>>13346650
Twice the irony

>> No.13346671

>>13346659
How ironic.

>> No.13346686

>>13346671
>he does it again

>> No.13346736

>>13346686
>he is still replying despite being wrong

>> No.13346753

>>13346614
I’m not “sticking my head in the sand”. I honestly don’t give a shit about animals

>> No.13346795

>>13346753
So you're a cunt, basically. At least you're honest...

>> No.13346820

>>13346795
I admire self awareness and try to practice it

>> No.13347007

>>13345785
Buy organic not hard

>> No.13347087

>>13346614
I ate McDonald's while watching Dominion

>> No.13347100

>>13345785
Become a scavenger
Problem solved

>> No.13347106

>>13345785

Put it in the back of your mind, you're a predator...or your ancestors were. The animals hunted were animals meant to die, the ones that have happy lives deserve to live. If you ever feel uneasy about butchering an animal, watch virtually any safari video to see how savage these animals are to realize that us sedating them before murder is a million times more humane than biting their leg, ripping their balls off and taking bit meaty chunks of their thigh while they scream in horror over their last few breathes as they get to watch as their murderer cannibalizes them in front of their eyes

We don't call ourselves animals for a reason

>> No.13347113

>>13346614
>if people actually had to witness how those nuggets came into existence few would buy them as indiscriminately
I think films depicting the deplorable inhumane conditions of factory farms, the brutal, inhumane slaughtering and revolting processing of the meat products should be required viewing at every grade level starting in the 7th grade. It would go a long way to help counteract the insidious carnist brainwashing from birth so pervasive in the US.

>> No.13347116

>>13346437
>Gee, these animals that are never treated like actual living beings and only come into contact with humans in a relationship between "owner" and "subject" are not very willing or caring about you or what you want from them?
You should work in a slaughterhouse, maybe then you'll actually care.

>> No.13347122

>>13347106
That's bullshit. It may happen occasionally, but natural selection favors predators who kill quickly since a struggling animal is much more likely to cause injury to the predator. That excludes spiders of course.

>> No.13347124

>>13347113
I think it should be shown to everyone who is over the age of 6, if they want to eat "tendies".
The industrial lies that are being fed to people to keep them dumb and ignorant have to be counterreacted somehow.
But lets not kid ourselves, this wont happen, it makes the elite far too much money

>> No.13347127

>>13345785
i hate animals and eating meat gives me a deep sense of satisfaction.

>> No.13347128

>>13347122

Going for the throat or a vital is a sport in itself. sometimes injuring an animal so you CAN reach a vital is the only option. And even after hitting the vital there's the few minutes where they still have to bleed out.

>> No.13347130

>>13347127
>psychopath thinks his opinion on the matter is of importance
Nah, you should be locked up bucko

>> No.13347150

>>13347122
Have you ever seen a cat hunt a mouse?

>> No.13347166

>>13347150
>a fucked up human invention is fucked in the head and kills for sport because fucked up humans let it roam freely, where its nothing short of an invasive and unnatural predator

>> No.13347168

>>13347166

Do you want to delete this post and try again?

>> No.13347181

>>13347168
>reddit nigger doesnt know how to greentext
Colour me surprised.

>> No.13347232

>>13347122
https://youtu.be/YipewEkakzA

>> No.13347240

>>13347232

Ugh, why don't bears go vegan?

>> No.13347241
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>>13345826
What's wrong with playing with girls' dolls as a dude?

>> No.13347278

>>13347241
It means mommys probably gunna want to put you on hormone blockers and ruin your life.

>> No.13347281

>>13345785
Only eat naughty animals.

>> No.13347309

>>13347278
I played with dolls growing up and my family didn't give a shit.
Maybe your mom's just retarded.

>> No.13347314

>>13347240
Because they prefer the taste of meat over innocent lives, they could easily stop eating meat and start eating more honey

>> No.13347317

>>13345785
raise and kill them yourself, or hunt. it's the only way.

>> No.13347320

>>13345785
Eat free range meat.

>> No.13347330

>>13346585
>no pesticides
Wrong
>no deep tilling
Wrong

Stop with the propaganda lying retard. Grass fed isnt used widespread because its economically and environmentally unsuitable on a large scale. To feed, make money, or help the environment

>> No.13347334

they wouldn't be so tasty if we weren't suppose to eat them

>> No.13347370

>>13347330

Not to stand on my soapbox on something offtopic, but for all the environmentally conscious public out there, people are incredibly silent over how much water and electricity goes into growing weed

>> No.13347381

>all these knee jerk retards getting defensive over OP wanting animals getting decent treatment

>> No.13347394

>>13347381
Decent treatment would probably be presupposed by not snuffing them out

>> No.13347396

>>13345795
>I want ethical meat
>vegan
Retard.

>> No.13347402

>>13347394
Everything alive gets snuffed out retard

>> No.13348049

>>13346169
Bruh, how dare you talk that way to saint Toe Rogaine.

>> No.13348270

>>13345785
death is the greatest release of all

>> No.13348419

Realistically your best bet might be seafood. A lot of marine animals, especially the smaller ones, have very primitive or no pain sensors in their body, and are typically very mindless creatures which are easy to kill quickly (a swift whack to the back of the head, knife into crab's brain, severing the spine on a fish, and so forth). Get eggs raised in non factory-tier conditions bought from farmer's markets and such. There you go.

>> No.13348436

>>13346165
puffin would eat me... k

>> No.13348463
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13348463

Raise them nice. Happy meat tastes better

>> No.13348544

>>13345788
This. Also remember only a select few species have empathy i.e. most are actual psychopaths (kind of silly to apply that term to a non-human but whatever). It's hard to feel completely bad about a psychopath dying, especially when it results in increased happiness and wellbeing of non-psychopaths. However, their suffering likely makes you squeamish (at least it does me).
Dogs, humans, elephants, cats (I think), and a few others have empathy. I don't think any traditional farm animals do though (except perhaps towards their young).
I know there's a number of philosophers who attempt to justify eating meat so long as the animals are treated well while alive, though I don't know their names so you'll have to go searching around if you're interested.

>> No.13348553

>>13347309
>I played with dolls growing up and my family didn't give a shit.
Thats the point, today it means you are a little girl trapped in a little boys body.

>> No.13349009

>>13346140
Based and redpilled

>> No.13349651

eat lower on the food chain. animals are less conscious. krill, shrimp, fish, shark, snake, alligator, chicken, duck, goose. avoid mammals and youll do fine. dont eat lions, tigers, bears, seals, otters, whales, dolphin, monkeys, apes, humans. except for cloned human muscle meat, from a willing cell donor.

>> No.13349668

>>13346440
>ignore all cognitive science and biology that tells us they feel pain and suffer, it's probably just them cartoons
And why pain and suffering should be the basis of any morality or ethics dumbass? And even if it was, why the fuck are you so certain it's the same degree of pain that humans would fell?

>> No.13349674

>>13346441
>And what about empathically disturbed individuals who think indifference in the face of suffering is to be held as virtue?
They don't have a morally corrupt mind, they actually know the difference between a human and a man
>where there's animal worshipping, there's human sacrifice

>> No.13349688

>>13346262
>"Chilling" aka being locked up in a cage 24/7 all of your life qualifies as "/comfy/"
People live in "cages" all their lives too, it's called an apartament and cities, it just has more space but it isn't that different
Ask a cow if she knows what the word "locked" means, or try to see if it's "feeling"/sensations are anywhere close to that of a human before you try to humanize animals
Either way pasture raised animals are better
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_kTwnO-cOeg

>> No.13349699

>>13345785
Raise your own animals and give them lots of love and freedom until the day you shoot them in the back of the head

>> No.13349716

Start hunting fagbit

>> No.13349720

>>13345785
OPs image shows you people have a mental disease
Have you actually been near a pork? It does not smile like humans for starters
I don't understand the need you have to anthropomorphize animals, aren't people enough already?

>> No.13349839

>>13349720
Pigs kinda always look like they're smiling to me.
Most animals do, really.

>> No.13349938

clearly only buy halal certified meat so you know that the animals had to bleed out and die a slow painful death

>> No.13349968

>>13349938
>so you know that the animals had to bleed out and die a slow painful death
Fucking hell how is that ethical in any culture and how do they get away with it?

>> No.13349999

>>13349839
You have vegan pareidolia

>> No.13350005

>>13349720
You smell like a pig though and probably have had your only sexual contact with them so I think I should fry you up.

>> No.13350010

>>13349999
But I'm not vegan.

>> No.13350492

>>13345785
>I want to do something immoral and not feel bad about it

fuck off

>> No.13350576

>>13346476
>>derp animal cruelty is against the law
yes and there are people who believe tiny battery cages where a chicken will spend its whole life aren't cruel for whatever reason. blindly trusting the government and law to always be right is horrible.

using greentext to just copy another post but inserting HURRDURR a bunch of times just makes you look stupid.

>> No.13350831

>>13345785
Pet a cat for every steak you eat

>> No.13350955

>>13345785
Start your own farm

>> No.13351039

>>13345797
You shouldn't feel bad for mussels, they clean the ocean and they are very easy to cultivate them

>> No.13351561

>>13345785
Eating meat is immoral because it is no longer a necessity, we can easily replace the nutrients and benefits provided from meat with other foods and supplements so we are effectively slaughtering and in many cases torturing animals that can feel pain the same way as we can for no justifiable reason other than our own personal pleasure.

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>>13350576
>trusting the law to always be right
All you can do is trust the law to be enforced, what are you talking about? What do you want done because if its animal cruelty to be outlawed it already is.

>> No.13352707

Don't eat the animal while it's alive then. Meat bought from stores/butcher shops is already dead so it's not being mistreated when you buy it.

>> No.13353047

>>13347381
And they say vegans get triggered. These days it's absolutely no effort to get someone angry and on your ass for even suggesting that you think animals should be treated better. Pretty sure this thread only helped push OP to consider vegetarian/veganism more seriously considering the majority of answers consisted of "stop being a pussy, real men eat meat, everything dies who cares". The literal arguments of edgy teens thinking about philosophy for the first time.

>> No.13353085

>>13349968
it was the most swift way to kill an animal, and also bled the meat out

back then

>> No.13353248

To all of the assholes in this thread bashing farmers or the animals that love them:
https://youtu.be/VKz7u08gMh4

>> No.13353463

>>13345788
>donate to McDonald's R&D team
fucking retard