Espresso

[Anonymous No.13223878]

What’s the appeal of espresso?
I’m not talking a latte or an americano I mean straight espresso. It’s so much more bitter than coffee I feel like people just pretend to like it.
I became a barista last September and bought myself an espresso machine to practice at home with, and my customers all say I pull a good shot, but it always tastes like ass to me.

[Anonymous No.13223886]

Cubans put a ton of sugar in it. I can understand why. It is bitter.

[Anonymous No.13223890]

>I became a barista
stopped reading right there
kys pathetic wagie

[Anonymous No.13223891]

It's more concentrated, not more bitter. Also, the universe doesn't revolve around your tastes.

[Anonymous No.13223909]

>>13223891
It will be more bitter as a result of being more concentrated

[Anonymous No.13223911]

>>13223891
I understand that, which is why I’m trying to see what the appeal is.
If people around the world love it, I either make shitty espresso or have bad taste. I just wanna hear what you like about it.
>>13223890
>frogposting
How dare you speak to me.

[Anonymous No.13223913]

For me, it's the Americano.

[Anonymous No.13223916]

>>13223886
Yeah when I make my own coffee I usually do a 3 shot 12 oz americano with 2 teaspoons of sugar.
I love my espresso that way.

[Anonymous No.13223919]

>>13223911
Or, you're simply not putting shitloads of sugar in it like you are supposed to. Can an island full of Cubans and several million more in Florida be wrong about something so basic? No, they cannot.

[Anonymous No.13223923]

>>13223919
Fair
It is good with sugar.

[Anonymous No.13223932]

>>13223919
>like you are supposed to
It's completely normal to drink your espresso straight all over Europe. Cubans can drink it with sugar and lard for all I care, just fuck off and don't project your personal taste.

[Anonymous No.13223933]

I want to get into making espresso at home
is the flair manual press and a hario hand burr grinder good option for a noob?

[Anonymous No.13223936]

>>13223878
>I feel like people just pretend to like it.
I'm such an unempathetic and selfish cunt that I an unable to internalise that others are capable of thoughts and feeling independent of my own experience.

[Anonymous No.13223945]

it's what i get if i want some wake up juice but i don't have time to faff about with an entire mug of diuretic pressing on my bladder in an hour's time

[Anonymous No.13223947]

>>13223933
I recommend getting one with a pressure gauge or it won’t come out consistent.

[Anonymous No.13223956]

>>13223936
>>13223891
>REEEEE STOP TRYING TO USE YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE TO DECIDE IF YOU LIKE SOMETHING
Is /ck/ always like this?

[Anonymous No.13223960]

>>13223932
Not everybody drinks espresso without sugar. Not everybody washes their dishes in the toilet. Not everybody riots at the soccerball game every weekend. In short, eurotrash, not everybody is from your deforested post-apocalyptic trench warfare shithole continent. I am not even Cuban but credit goes where it is due. They solved the colada conundrum while you yuropoors failed yet again.

[Anonymous No.13223964]

>>13223956
Yes. What did you expect?

[Anonymous No.13223969]

>>13223936
Or it could be that something generally seen as unpleasant be pleasing to someone is confusing.
Like pain for example. Like extreme bitterness, it’s generally thought of negatively, but some people are into that.
Is it such a crime to ask why?

[Anonymous No.13223980]

>>13223964
I expected the children only browsed /v/ and /a/

[Anonymous No.13223986]

Just add sugar.

I’m Italian so I grew up with coffee being espresso only, and even here people drink it according to their taste.

I put a teaspoon of sugar and a bit of milk, making it a caffè macchiato.

If you go to a bar here they give you a little bag of sugar with your coffee if you want to add it.

Everything but espresso or espresso lungo though is dirty water so you’re just not used to coffee.

>pic 30% related

[Anonymous No.13223995]

>>13223986
>I'm Italian

[Anonymous No.13224001]

>>13223969
Pain by definition is not pleasurable as it is the antonym of pain. Bitterness being bad isn't generally thought of negatively as millions people all over the world consume bitter things. Also, what constitutes "extreme" bitterness is subjective for the very reason just mentioned. And last but not least, espresso isn't inherently bitter.
You don't have to be a little bitch just because not everyone likes sugary coffee.

[Anonymous No.13224005]

>>13223986
I thought Italians thought espresso lungo was blasphemy.

[Anonymous No.13224008]

>>13223960
Cry more, obese faggot.

[Anonymous No.13224009]

There's a lot of low quality espresso gets served. Once you've tried a good one you'll get the idea.

[Anonymous No.13224013]

>>13223986
> put a teaspoon of sugar and a bit of milk, making it a caffè macchiato.

No you didn't make a caffé macchiato or whatever faggoty names you inbred retards gave it. You "made "an espresso with milk and sugar.

[Anonymous No.13224016]

>>13224001
I’m not the one getting personally offended and sperging out over someone not liking espresso, “bitch.”

[Anonymous No.13224018]

>>13223956
Pretty sure that OP isn't being called out on liking sugary coffee but on his faggot "everyone pretends to like espresso" cope, retard.

[Anonymous No.13224032]

>>13224001
>Pain by definition is not pleasurable as it is the antonym of pain.
Good job retard. I think you meant it’s the antonym of pleasure, but you’re still wrong. The antonym of pleasure is displeasure since people can feel pleasure from pain.

[Anonymous No.13224031]

>>13224016
Comparing something people do for pleasure such as having an espresso to being a masochist is the very definition of butthurt.

[Anonymous No.13224037]

>>13224031
are you self aware at all?

[Anonymous No.13224049]

>Number of people in this thread who explain why they like straight espresso: 0
>number of people sperging over an opinion and making absolute fools of themselves:5 or maybe 1 retard.

[Anonymous No.13224077]

>>13224049
"People must be pretending to like black coffee because I like sugary coffee" isn't "an opinion", just a delusional cope that gets made into a thread every single day on this board. Don't get surprised when people call you out on your shitty off-topic thread.

[Anonymous No.13224086]

>>13224077
>“I feel like people just pretend to like it.”
>I feel like
>I feel
Never stated it as a fact retard. It’s been an opinion since post 1

[Anonymous No.13224138]

>>13224086
You expect people to actually READ your posts?

[Anonymous No.13224156]

>>13224086
>I said I THINK the Earth is flat, s-so it's just an opinion
Nice cop out.

[Anonymous No.13224181]

>>13224156
Do you still have no reading comprehension? When did I say I think everyone’s just pretending?
I said because I don’t understand the appeal, it FEELS like everyone is pretending.
You already made a fool of yourself for not reading the OP properly, then acted like a child and cussed someone out for not liking the same thing as you, retardedly call pain the antonym of itself,
Just give it a rest

[Anonymous No.13224183]

>>13224181
seething

[Anonymous No.13224191]

>>13224183
Cope.

I can do it too.

[Anonymous No.13224193]

>>13223878
Tell your barista to stop using burnt beans and/or overextracting.

[Anonymous No.13224204]

>>13224183
Basically admitting defeat

[Anonymous No.13224259]

>>13224005
Espresso lungo is not an American coffee, it's just a full cup of coffee.

Pic related is an espresso

[Anonymous No.13224264]

>>13224259
This is an espresso lungo, the cup is the same as the one used for the espresso.

>>13224013
Macchiato means "spotted/stained" and literally means a spot of milk, but what would a mutt know about my culture.

[Anonymous No.13224266]

>>13223878
I stopped ordering these at cafés because the baristas always ask me twice if I'm sure that I want a triple shot of just espresso, as if I didn't know what the fuck it is.

[Anonymous No.13224413]

>>13223878
brew yourself some tisane instead
you clearly don't belong anywhere near coffe

[Anonymous No.13224424]

>>13224264
I bet you smell like olives faggot

[Anonymous No.13224465]

>>13223986
If you add sugar and milk to an espresso it doesnt make it a macchiato

[Anonymous No.13224787]

>>13224424
Ask your mom

[Anonymous No.13224798]

>>13224465
>another mutt who tries to educate me on my own culture

Well let’s ask Wikipedia

>Caffè macchiato (Italian pronunciation: [kafˈfɛ mmakˈkjaːto]), sometimes called espresso macchiato,[1][2] is an espresso coffee drink with a small amount of milk, usually foamed. In Italian, macchiato means "stained" or "spotted" so the literal translation of caffè macchiato is "stained” or “marked coffee.”

Also I’m at the restaurant and guess what I just ordered, pic related.

[Anonymous No.13224959]

>>13224798
Based and pizzapiepilled

[Anonymous No.13225558]

>>13223878
>It’s so much more bitter than coffee
It IS coffee, OP. And it's the standard brewing method you get in every cafe in Australia. Its bitter taste depends on how shit your beans are. If your cafe uses a good blend/origin of fresh beans, the espresso can taste great even on its own.

[Anonymous No.13225713]

>>13223878
If your espresso is bitter you're having shit coffee at a shitty place.

[Anonymous No.13225882]

>>13223878
it's fucking delicious. stop going to shit coffee chains that have shit beans and can't make a good espresso. go to a good shop and take your espresso as an 8oz americano to appreciate the complexities of the roast. once you have a grasp of that gibralter and cortado are low volume (2-3oz) espresso based drinks that will further allow you to appreciate the pull.

[Anonymous No.13226722]

>>13225882
>>13225882

Roasted beam juice is so complex and bitter drinks never need sweetener even though people were enslaved for exactly that task.

[Anonymous No.13226729]

>>13223878
what’s the appeal of a shot of whiskey when you can drink a beer?

[Anonymous No.13226804]

>>13223878
>It’s so much more bitter than coffee I feel like people just pretend to like it.

That really depends on many factors.
Generally it is a bit more bitter than a black American coffe, but it should be drinkable.

Generally the problem with bars is that
- use a bad quality coffe (i don't know how it is called in English but the non-arabic variety)
- over extraction of coffee. The machine are meant to produce a coffee as soon as possible but it will taste more bitter

I drink the espresso made with espresso machine with sugar, but I love drinking straight espresso if it is made with the moka

[Anonymous No.13226810]

I dont want to have to drink a shit load of boiling coffee

[Anonymous No.13226812]

>>13223878
It’s delicous

[Anonymous No.13226835]

>>13223890
Labor is the source of all value

[Anonymous No.13226913]

>>13226722
Coffee isn't inherently bitter nor is bitterness inherently bad. Just drink your sugary coffee and we'll drink our coffee unsweetened.

[Anonymous No.13227156]

>>13224798
Geez they really botched your foam, huh?

[Anonymous No.13227165]

>>13226804
>I drink the espresso made with espresso machine with sugar, but I love drinking straight espresso if it is made with the moka
I better get a moka. It didn’t occur to me that machine espresso would be different in taste.

[Anonymous No.13227166]

>>13226913
I've never had a coffee which didn't have some amount of bitterness. I would have thought it to be inherently bitter.

[Anonymous No.13227243]

>>13223933
You'll need a much better grinder than a hario. Ive got a flair+kinu m47 bit flair just released their own grinder, so look into that if you want to be cheap.

[Anonymous No.13227288]

>>13223956
4chan is full of literal autists, so yes.

Does make me wonder what it is about their malfunction that makes subjectivity so threatening/scary/challenging.

[Anonymous No.13227437]

>>13226835
and currency should be based on labor not a fictional supply of gold or debt

[Anonymous No.13227715]

its like shots with caffeine instead of alcohol to me

[Anonymous No.13227722]

>>13223911
it was invented in italy so the cops wouldnt take such long breaks for coffee like they were doing.

[Anonymous No.13228257]

>>13223933
>>13227243
Lido E grinder is pretty good for espresso.

[Anonymous No.13228836]

>>13223878
The entire appeal of espresso is getting a cup of coffee's worth of caffeine in 1.5 oz of espresso. There ya go, mystery solved. You're now aware that, before we put caffeine in literally fucking everything, it was such an addictive substance that the American colonies threw tea in a bay just so people would get jittery and fucked off from caffeine withdrawal enough to start a war.

[Anonymous No.13228861]

I think I'm going to get a cafelat robot because preheating the flair's brew chamber in boiling water seems like an unnecessary massive pain in the ass

[Anonymous No.13228884]

>>13223878
>It’s so much more bitter than coffee I feel like people just pretend to like it.
You can't imagine that lots of people enjoy complex bitter flavors? You're either a child or an autist or both.

[Anonymous No.13228905]

>>13228836
Speak for yourself, caffeinecuck. I could have an espresso and take a nap right after.

[Anonymous No.13228918]

>>13227166
bitterness is just one dimension to the flavour of a cup of coffee. it's the same with stout or any good beer or aged whiskey or scotch. there are many different flavour notes you look for in the sip which together add to the complexity of the beverage. appreciating those contrasting and complimentary notes is the essence of enjoying good coffee (and similarly the skill of making good coffee)

[Anonymous No.13229202]

>>13228257
Lidos are jank and overpriced for the build quality.

[Anonymous No.13229314]

>>13224013
>no you didn't make a caffe macchiato
>you "made" an espresso with milk and sugar
But anon, what do you think an espresso with milk and sugar is called in Italian?

[Anonymous No.13229334]

>>13223878
>I pull a good shot
What ? You just need to put the damn coffee into the machine and press a button.

[Anonymous No.13229342]

>>13223933
>hario hand burr grinder
no

[Anonymous No.13229453]

>>13228861
Its really not a big deal. I put a kettle on, grind my beans, tamp a basket, pour water off the boil on the portafilter, wait a minute, start my kettle again, takes 5 seconds to get back to a rolling boil, then pull the shot. Usually have ample time for a morning piss after tamping basket. I'd imagine its even less of a deal with the silicon cap versions.

[Anonymous No.13229463]

>>13229314
Espresso con latte e zucchero.

[Anonymous No.13229487]

>>13223878
idk anon, y drink stronger booze if it just taste even worse? its a drug, ppl get affected by it more the more u take
>It’s so much more bitter than coffee I feel like people just pretend to like it.
when i have it, i put in equal parts sugar to liquid (lol) & maybe some sambuca

[Anonymous No.13229516]

The trick is that you eat something sweet with it and enjoy the contrast. Putting the sugar directly in the coffee just makes it taste weird.

[Anonymous No.13230119]

>>13223960
>WAAAAH MOMMY MOMMY THE YUUUUUROS ARE MAKING FUN OF ME FOR PUTTING SUGAR IN THE BITTER DRINK! IT'S SO YUCKY I CAN'T DRINK IT WITHOU SUGAR!

[Anonymous No.13230125]

>>13223878
It supposedly helps you be productive. Ironically popularized by wops, which are one of the laziest ethnicities.

[Anonymous No.13230132]

>>13223878
>I became a barista last September and bought myself an espresso machine to practice at home with

I hope to god you're making some insane bank or else that is way to much dedication for selling coffee for a living.

[Anonymous No.13230140]

>>13223878
good espresso isnt bitter its sweet

[Anonymous No.13230160]

>>13230140
it fucking pisses me off that people don't understand this. so many coffee places in my cities have reviews that say they make good espresso, but then i go in and taste it it's a bitter piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.13230204]

>>13230119
Not who you're replying to, but different things can be enjoyed in different ways by different people. For example, you seem to enjoy roleplaying as a young child, and there are actually numerous escort services out there who cater towards this particular preference.

[Anonymous No.13230222]

>>13230204
>I am going to cover up the fact that I sperged over the entire thread because I cannot deal with a simple Espresso by pretending that the other anon, and not me, is a perverted child, while I am a rational sophisticated normal person.

Oh wait, you literally refuse to drink an espresso without drowning it in sugar. Fuck off and keep fucking off.

[Anonymous No.13230433]

>>13223878
I completely and unironically like it because it is bitter.

And this is from someone who has no problem btw admitting that he doesn't actually like beer (because its also bitter)

I dont know why. There's so much sweet drinks you can choose from but few bitter ones. And thats the one I like.

I even regularly have de-caf freeze dried coffee without sugar as a "drink" when i work, instead of water. As in, I dont even do it for the caffeine. I just like the smell of coffee, and I like it bitter.

[Anonymous No.13230921]

>>13226729
more like what's the appeal of a shot of whiskey vs a whiskey sour. The beer analogy is more like espresso vs green tea

[Anonymous No.13230932]

>>13228836
Do people really get caffeine withdrawal from the type of tea the English were drinking? Maybe some strong Asian varieties, I can't say I've never tried those, but it's definitely not like coffee or yerba mate

[Anonymous No.13231835]

>when the 4x espresso shot hits

[Anonymous No.13231872]

>>13230921
I want to have consensual sex with an attractive female.

[Anonymous No.13231875]

I generally make a double americano, but i do occasionally make a straight espresso. I find it enjoyable after a meal with dessert or as a low volume high caffeine intermission while drinking booze.

As for all this " no one actually likes it" idea I can tell you I tried it several times when I was younger and hated it. Now I'm an old fuck though and stuff that used to be to bitter or pungent isnt so much anymore.

[Anonymous No.13232858]

>>13223878
espresso is not bitter.
what you're drinking is most certainly not espresso (or a failed espresso) if it's bitter.

[Anonymous No.13232881]

>>13223878
its good faggot

[Anonymous No.13232883]

>>13223878
espresso is generally meant to be added to milk or creamer and/or sugar, but some people are into the raw bitterness and intensity. been drinking a shot of espresso every morning for about three years now, i still find the taste momentarily unpleasant, but it keeps me from being a zombie.

[Anonymous No.13232948]

>>13232858
This. Columbian espresso is always slightly sweet.
>>13223986
Yes, someone else likes real macchiatos.

[Anonymous No.13233150]

People who like espresso as I honestly do like the bite of food a d drinks. They arent afraid of a strong blue cheese or a smoky whiskey. Easiest way to have espresso at home is buy a nesspresso machine..its like a shot of coke in the morning. I hate myself for being addicted to it. It's like smoking.

[Anonymous No.13233212]

>>13223986
that's way too much milk for a macchiato

[Anonymous No.13233445]

>>13223932
>It's completely normal to drink your espresso straight all over Europe.
Bullshit. Everyone adds one pack of sugar to their expresso pretty much everywhere.

[Anonymous No.13233451]

>>13233445
>let me tell you about your countries

[Anonymous No.13233472]

>>13233451
I'm italian and had to spend a total of 5 years between France, Germany and UK (and if I'm lucky I'll never have to again). You better fucking believe I'm gonna tell you about the countries I've lived in.

[Anonymous No.13233611]

>>13224005
Italians will wail and convulse like mad beasts if they’re served anything different than their grandmother’s home cooking
Maybe the single most autistic culture when it comes to “authenticity”. Even the snobby French are open to new interpretations if you gussy it up enough.

[Anonymous No.13233620]

>>13224264
>Italian
>culture

[Anonymous No.13233634]

>>13230433
>even regularly have de-caf freeze dried coffee without sugar as a "drink" when i work, instead of water
Based and redpilled, I go through so much Taster’s Choice it’s unreal. A nice hot beverage with some flavor to it is so much better than nothing but water.

[Anonymous No.13235285]

>>13223878
I felt the same way, but I recommend you buy lighter roasted coffee. Jamaican blue mountain and normal arabica are what I've tried and usually have, and they are far less bitter than colombian dark roasts. French blends are also often too bitter for me too.
Don't be fooled, coffee doesn't have to be bitter. Go for a light roast. Trader joes lets you pick out espresso. Starbucks espresso is disgustingly bitter, I hate it

[Anonymous No.13235289]

>>13223886
Cafecito also uses a more bitter blend/roast

[Anonymous No.13235312]

>>13223878
>appeal
it's a fucking drug, numb nuts. It's like asking why drink concentrated liquor since it's so harsh, and not some gussied-up gayboy fruity cocktail? Some people just want to get that hit of caffeine, quickly. Personally, I think it has a richer flavor and better texture than watery-ass american coffee, but I'm not a coffee drinker either way.

[Anonymous No.13235342]

>>13223878

"I don't like it so I feel like people are pretending to like it"

It's called an acquired taste for a reason dumbass.

[Anonymous No.13235438]

>>13233212
It’s a cappuccino