OFFICIAL WINE RANKING THREAD

[Anonymous No.13049385]

Might be pretty good, might be fucking excellent tier:
>France
>Italy
>Germany
Might be mediocre, might be pretty good tier:
>Spain
>Croatia
>Portugal
Might be gross, might be decent I guess tier:
>Greece
>Austria
>Chile
>United States
Might be gross, might be ok tier:
>Uruguay
>Israel
Will be terrible, kill it with fire tier:
>South Africa
>New Zealand
>Australia
>Argentina

[Anonymous No.13049395]

Good
>South Africa
>New Zealand
>Australia
Good but overrated
>France
>Italy

Germany:
Only some good white wines

[Anonymous No.13049403]

>>13049385
Might be pretty good, might be fucking excellent tier:
>Argentina
>Argentina
>Argentina
>Argentina
>Argentina
Will be terrible, kill it with fire tier:
>France
>Italy
>Germany
>Spain
>Croatia
>Portugal
>Greece
>Austria
>Chile
>United States
>Uruguay
>Israel
>South Africa
>New Zealand
>Australia

We've ot grapes that can only grow here because they are literally extinguished in all the rest of the world.

[Anonymous No.13049406]

>>13049385
>Might be gross, might be decent I guess tier:
>United States
tl;dr yuropoor containment thread

[Anonymous No.13049413]

>>13049403
hey pal your country ain't that bad (I would never go there voluntarily but. . . .) but to think French and Spanish wine aren't as good is retarded.

did you indian fucks even drink wine before the Spaniards raped your women?

[Anonymous No.13049415]

>>13049395
Wrong, but I wouldn't expect a fan of vulgar hot climate trash to understand the appeal

[Anonymous No.13049416]

>>13049403
*extinct

[Anonymous No.13049457]

>>13049403
Wut? What kinds. What grapes?

[Anonymous No.13049465]

>>13049403
What's to stop someone from just getting those grape seeds and planting them somewhere else that has a suitable climate?

[Anonymous No.13049471]

>>13049465
A degree of humidity and height.

[Anonymous No.13049492]

>>13049403
lmao poor kid

[Anonymous No.13049493]

i unironically prefer German white wines, although, historically, those parts that makes those wines ... not really German desu

[Anonymous No.13049506]

all of you omitting god tier Georgian wines....tsk

[Anonymous No.13049509]

>>13049406
>everything is about me and my flyover insecurity complex
Rmember wine is for commies and faggots so by posting in a wine thread you’re one or both
How does that make you feel cletus

[Anonymous No.13049511]

>>13049457
Bonarda. As well as the Malbec that doesn't grow in France anymore because it all froze to death. Torrontés also is home grown.

[Anonymous No.13049515]

>>13049471
are you, genuinely, brain damaged? did you go to a special needs school? let alone the fact that you refer to it as "height" and not altitude
>a degree of humidity
just one degree? thats all the difference? or do theese magical grapes have a "degree" in humidity? HA!

[Anonymous No.13049518]

>>13049413
Indeed abroiginal populations didn't have grapes, but the Argentine winegrowing tradition goes all the way to the 1600s.

[Anonymous No.13049520]

>>13049506
>muh quevri
They’re good but you need to accept that no one would care about your wine if not for CIA officers gone native
The USSR era sweet stuff is pure trash and it took westerners to resurrect and promote your traditional product

[Anonymous No.13049523]

>>13049415
Spätburgunder isn't bad but as you said I prefer the dark shiraz or zinfandel from those warmer climates. When I want a more delicate wine I usually go for French wines. German red wines don't strike me as that remarkable but it's also relative, a good German red wine is still much better than a shitty South African wine.

German rieslings are my favourite white wines though.

[Anonymous No.13049524]

>>13049511
Côt Noir a good
Argie bec a shit

[Anonymous No.13049531]

>>13049515
Yes, altitude. Quit fagging about semantics in general, you know damn well it isn't a single degree.

[Anonymous No.13049541]

I really want to try one of those $20-30 bottles but I'm afraid it'll taste no different than my $10-15 usual suspects

[Anonymous No.13049556]

>>13049531
nothing in what you posted would indicate otherwise you mentally deficient soyboy aitustic cuck

[Anonymous No.13049561]

>>13049541
That’s where a good wine shop is indispensable
The kind where they have buyers who travel, not the kind where wine reps visit them

[Anonymous No.13049566]

>>13049556
>buzzword salad
Randroid teen detected, stay in your containment board

[Anonymous No.13049567]

>>13049541
Well the difference between $15 or $25 is not that high imo if it's only one bottle.
But you will not see any big differences in quality in that price range imo. Although I live in Europe but if I assume 15$ wines taste similar to 15€ wines the quality is already very decent. At that price point I would only pay 5-10€ more if there was a wine that I found particularly interesting. For example there was a 30€ wine that I once bought because they said it had strong chocolate aromas. It was nice, but it was not better than the 15€ wine, it was just different.
I guess my point is: pay a bit more for something that is unique or fits your palate, but don't expect it will just be overall way better quality.

[Anonymous No.13049589]

>>13049567
The difference between a bad $15 bottle and a good $25 bottle is huge, but a lot of it comes down to taste. Many people I know find higher quality wines to be less enjoyable due to the more discernible nature flavors, imagine tasting real grape skins for the first time after only ever tasting dimetapp grape syrup
Expensive doesn’t mean you’re going to like it

[Anonymous No.13049635]

>>13049567
>>13049589
is bevmo the next best thing if there's literally no wine shops in my area?

[Anonymous No.13049675]

>>13049635
Never heard of bevmo because I live in the UK, but generally ordering alcohol is not a bad idea. Just do a little bit of research and compare prices.

[Anonymous No.13049745]

>>13049385
Fancy wine is a meme. American wines, specifically North Carolina concord wines, are some of the best I've ever had.

[Anonymous No.13049833]

australia has the best pinot noir in the world

[Anonymous No.13049873]

$15 and under wines are just bland and not very complex. Im no wine expert but you just dont get complexity in the flavors from these cheap ass wines. So yeah I stopped buying them and am looking at the more expensive stuff now

[Anonymous No.13051271]

>>13049635
No, you’re screwed. Chain stores don’t have people who know wine beyond an employee training manual

[Anonymous No.13051317]

>>13049833
0/10 try harder next time

[Anonymous No.13051344]

You guys really have to try some slovenian wine

[Anonymous No.13051376]

>>13049385
Don't forget about god tier:
>Georgian wine
>German Eiswein that you can barely find

[Anonymous No.13051388]

>>13049385 Expensive Australian wine is pretty crap, but they make pretty good cheap stuff though. Unlike most other places, their cheap stuff is actually drinkeable

[Anonymous No.13051395]

>>13049385
>Might be gross, might be decent I guess tier:
>Austria
Now I know you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.13051396]

>it's another france is still mad about 1976 episode

[Anonymous No.13051402]

>>13049833
Absolute rubbish.
t. Australian Burgundy drinker

[Anonymous No.13051408]

>>13051388
Pretty much all expensive Australian wines are for the boomer audience, although I've had plenty of really good stuff at mid-tier prices.

[Anonymous No.13051538]

Region is fairly irrelevant. The best you can do is figure out which years were better than others in specific regions assuming you have a choice.
The best information on the bottle for making purchasing decisions is grape variety. Even then it's more useful for paring with that guessing at what you will enjoy.
You straight up have to try every bottle.

But sure, waste time and money with your old world elitism.

[Anonymous No.13051559]

>>13051317
I'll think you'll find that Yellow Tail is the cheapest glass bottle wine you can get and it therefore provides value. Assuming you're too pretentious for goon of course.

Not sure why it gets exported though.

[Anonymous No.13051661]

>>13051538
Mostly everything but who produces the specific wine is irrelevant at the price bracket that most people buy wine at.

Once you're willing to spend some money, I would say that quality across regions is quite consistent, yeah.

[Anonymous No.13051762]

>>13051395
>muh gruner
No thanks
>muh antifreeze
No thanks
>muh st laurent
It's ok but I don't really feel like $50 is a fair price for that

[Anonymous No.13051764]

>>13051661
B-but I read a wiki about how muh judgment of paris therefore everyone in real life is buying Cathy Corison's wines and that means that Mommy's Time Out representing 99% of California wines is irrelevant

[Anonymous No.13051950]

>>13049413
t. Rape baby

[Anonymous No.13052019]

>>13051396
Every post deserves a (You)

[Anonymous No.13052082]

>>13049511
>bonarda

Are you retarded? Plenty of that in Italy

[Anonymous No.13052107]

>>13049385
Personal experience ranking, no tiers because I'm an adult:
>Argentina
>Burgundy/Comte
>Washington
>Franconian
>Chile/Peru
>Austrian (meme wines only)
>Italian
>Swabian
>Greek
The single Greek Wine I had was abhorrent.

[Anonymous No.13053665]

>>13049511
>The Malbec that doesn't grow in France anymore because it all froze to death.
The southwest of France still grows it. (Also Chile, the US, South africa and Australia still grows some.)

That said, I did love the wine region in Argentina and it's definitely the new home of the Malbec.

[Anonymous No.13053702]

>>13051950
my parents actually had a loving relationship and I am a planned child they love me so much all the codes to enter things are my birthday. i am also whiter than you, juan. go fuck yourself with some type of asshole pump and then report to the cocaine manufacturing facility for your 18 hour shift, pablo

[Anonymous No.13054124]

>>13053665
Argie malbec is too sweet

[Anonymous No.13055354]

>>13051762
>hating Gruner
Pleb alert!

Also Austrian Riesling and Blaufrankisch is top notch.

>muh antifreeze
Are you a boomer?

[Anonymous No.13055358]

>>13052107
>Austrian (meme wines only)
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.13055882]

>>13055354
It's very rare that I will "hate" a wine but gruner just isn't capable of being more than a "6/10 would drink again I guess"

There is no such thing as "top notch" blaufrankisch, by definition it is never better than "pretty good"

And yes I'm over 30 which makes me a boomer

[Anonymous No.13055902]

>>13055882
What wines do you think are actually good then, boomer?

[Anonymous No.13055938]

>>13055902
I already told you, zoomzoom. You want access to my vivino or some shit?

[Anonymous No.13055957]

>>13055938
>he uses Vivino
Cringe.

Oh, you're the OP. Why aren't you still dreadfully afraid of German sugar water due to your boomer sensibilities?

[Anonymous No.13055966]

>>13055957
>Why aren't you still dreadfully afraid of German sugar water
I... what? What does that even mean? There is nothing wrong with residual sugar. There just needs to be acidity which I suppose you've never experienced because you're afraid of spending more than $3 on a bottle of riesling.

[Anonymous No.13055984]

>>13055966
Hey you're the one with the boomer mentality. I love Mosel Rieslings with residual sugar. I actually happen to have a couple of bottles of Auslesen and a bottle of BA in my wine fridge.

Thinking that Austrians still use antifreeze is as boomer as believing that German wines are all still sweet and flabby.

[Anonymous No.13055997]

>>13055984
Oh, is liking riesling in fashion now? Imagine getting all your opinions from Wine Spectator.

[Anonymous No.13056008]

>>13055997
>Wine Spectator
>Vivino
You really are a boomer, no one reads that shit anymore. Next you're going to accuse me of buying wines according to Robert Parker scores or something equally ludicrous.

And no, Wine Spectator people only like oakbombs from bait regions like the Southern Rhone or Tuscany.

[Anonymous No.13056009]

>>13049385
>South Africa
>terrible
Well if you get the cheap township fuel, sure. Normal wine there is fantastic. I visited Groot Constantia recently and bathed in their flag ship wine, as well as the lady of abundance. Even their Sauvignon tasted nearly perfect.

[Anonymous No.13056031]

>>13056008
Your defensive overreaction basically confirms everything. Sorry you weren't born with taste

[Anonymous No.13056037]

>>13056031
t. knows nothing about the state of the industry

[Anonymous No.13056042]

>>13056037
I drink what tastes good, not what Robert Parker tells me to like.

[Anonymous No.13056056]

>>13056042
I never said you did?

[Anonymous No.13056234]

>>13056056
Not him but you sound like a fag

[Anonymous No.13056594]

>>13056009
Cabernet Sauvignon I might believe. Sauvignon Blanc, not a chance in hell

[Anonymous No.13057381]

>>13051538
>Region is fairly irrelevant.
Kek so climate and soil conditions don't matter? Ever tasted a cabernet sauvignon from langued'oc and loire side by side? Or a rhone syrah next to an australian shiraz?

[Anonymous No.13057518]

Canada. Okanagan region

[Anonymous No.13057624]

What did you buy this week, /vin/?
>2018 Peter Lauer Ayler Riesling Senior Faß 6
>2017 Pojer e Sandri Pinot Nero Vigneti delle Dolomiti IGT
>2017 Ridge Zinfandel Ponzo
>2017 Ridge Zinfandel Pagani Ranch
>2014 Contucci Vino Nobile di Montepulciano

[Anonymous No.13057726]

German Cousine is half fucking delicious half brown sausage you don't know the ingredients of with some cabbage marinated in piss with boiled meat with a 2cm unrendered fat cap on the side

[Anonymous No.13057853]

>>13057624
I'm working class unlike you so:

2017 Joguet Cuvee Terroir Chinon
2017 Sheldrake Point Gamay Noir
2016 de Buxy Mercurey (just the entry level Mercurey)
2016 Dominique Piron Fleurie

[Anonymous No.13057871]

>>13057726
(You)

[Anonymous No.13057891]

>>13057518
Start with osoyoos and go up. Reds are better down there and white is trash in general

[Anonymous No.13058477]

>>13057381
I'm sure it matters, but inconsistency within the same region is so high that it's not helpful. I have tried many times to obtain a specific bottle of wine (usually tried at a restaurant) only to discover it isn't obtainable. Buying another bottle from the same year and region has never produced a suitable substitute.

I have tried a rhone syrah next to an australian shiraz. All I could tell you is that I prefer the Australian price tag.

[Anonymous No.13058542]

Anyone who unironically ranks Australian wine as being bad has obviously only had Jacobs Creek and the like.

Try spending more you fucking cheapskates.

I recommend:

Cab sauvs, lightly oaked Chardy's and SSBs from Margaret River

Rieslings and similar from Porongurup, Mount Barker and Clare Valley

Obviously Barossa is famous for it's Shiraz, there's a lot of crap around there, try something half decent from Two Hands and thank me later.

They're got some decent GSMs too. Some Tassie Pinot Noir is also nice.

[Anonymous No.13058565]

>>13058542
>australian riesling

[Anonymous No.13058578]

>>13058565
Tell me, have you tried much Australian Riesling? What was it you didn't like?

[Anonymous No.13058603]

>>13058578
I've had enough California riesling to get the idea. I'm not interested in repeating the experiment for Australia. Been told "oh but this one is different" way too many times. Hot climate riesling is a no-go.

The only good Aussie wine I've ever had was a steel tank 100% grenache, which I returned to the store to buy a second bottle of, and then never found again after that. I don't even remember what it was called. It wasn't even that cheap, but I bought it because it was a novelty to taste a wine from Australia that didn't make me immediately gag from the smell alone.

[Anonymous No.13058683]

>>13049385

Ya seethin?

[Anonymous No.13058712]

>>13058683
Mixed feelings. On the one hand I am an unapologetic anglophobe. On the other hand, France and Italy's wine regions are going to get raped by global warming, I'm glad someone in a position to replace them is getting ready even if it's filthy, ugly, awful pigbongs with retarded names and zero food culture.

Hopefully they don't end up burning all the vines to stay warm when they crash out later this month.

[Anonymous No.13059216]

>>13057891
>>13057518
Last time I was in Canada the stores only sold the exact same 10 bottles of wine in every single shop. I assume those are exports and you guys aren't Canadian, right?

[Anonymous No.13059544]

>>13057624
Been trying to save money so just:
>1999 Arpepe Il Pettirosso Terrazze Retiche di Sondrio IGT
>2018 Circe Mornington Peninsula Chardonnay

>>13057853
Have a bottle of Piron's Beaujolais-Village, looking forward to crushing it on a hot day with a bit of a chill.

[Anonymous No.13059554]

>>13058542
>>13058565
>>13058578
>>13058603
Australian Riesling seems underwhelming compared to German/Alsatian/Austrian counterparts.
t. Australian

[Anonymous No.13059774]

>>13049511
>durr hburr what is Cahors
Go back to your jungle, monkey

[Anonymous No.13059808]

>>13057624
>case of 2018 Marcel Lapierre Raisins Gaulois
>2017 Julie & Toby Bainbridge "Cuvee Rouge Aux Levres"
>2007 Gros Nore Bandol
>copious amounts of Silvaner, Domina, and Riesling from my trip to Wurzburg
>2016 Quentin Jeannot Maranges
>Von Winning Riesling Extra Brut (NV Sekt)
It's gonna be a good month.

[Anonymous No.13059811]

>>13057624
>Ridge
fucking based, one of the few non-bastardized California zinfandels out there. Actually tastes like wine, and not microwaved Twizzlers and food coloring.

[Anonymous No.13059884]

>>13059808
Based glouglou poster.

Is that Bandol pink, red or white?

[Anonymous No.13059923]

might be terrible, might be fantastic
>United States
>France
>Australia
>Italy
>Argentina
>New Zealand
>Spain
>Chile

any country that has the climate and terroir to grow good wine grapes can produce good wine or bad wine, it depends more on the dedication of the winemaker and the weather that year

[Anonymous No.13059934]

Where’s “UK” aka britshish aka ukritish aka englanderish

[Anonymous No.13059950]

>>13059934

give it 30 years and they'll be the new champagne region

[Anonymous No.13059963]

>>13059950
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay yaaaaay happy dance time yay

[Anonymous No.13060556]

>>13049385
OFFICIAL WINE RANKING THREAD

top tier:
>sake

bottom tier:
>wines from any other produce

[Anonymous No.13060585]

>>13049385

god what a disgusting human being.

I still love him

[Anonymous No.13060993]

>>13060556
Sake is closer to beer, it’s only bucketed with grape wines because wh*teoids have an overwhelming urge to get things wrong

[Anonymous No.13061090]

>>13060993
Nah you're thinking of korean makoli. I've made sake before and it uses a wine yeast.

[Anonymous No.13061095]

>>13049385
>Might be mediocre, might be pretty good tier:
>>Croatia

Interesting. Is it because of the climate or did you drink anything from there?

[Anonymous No.13061103]

>>13049385
What do you have against the southern hemisphere?

[Anonymous No.13061112]

>>13061090
No, I’m not, although that’s another example of white people trying to classify something as a subtype of something it’s not

Beverages made from grains are in their own class separate from those made from fruit. What you’re essentially arguing is that since sake and makgeoli are both capable of more nuances and subtlety than white people grain drinks, which derive their personality from swear words and vikings and naked ladies on the bottle, that therefore they are more like wine.

Aspergillus oryzae is most certainly not used in making traditional European grape wines

Instead of accepting mediocrity why don’t whites step up their game and try harder to make an interesting beer? Adding hot sauce and fudge brownie mix to your beer is for babies. Less is more, but you have to embrace science

[Anonymous No.13061499]

>>13059884
'07 rouge, friendo!
Have you had the new vintage of the Tempier rose? It's really good! I've only ever tried a white Bandol once, but I thought it was exceptional.

[Anonymous No.13061580]

>>13061112
Your disjointed rambling made no sense whatsoever, Chong.

[Anonymous No.13061629]

>>13061499
Been thinking of trying it as I've heard that it's pretty good value. I usually dislike Provencal rose but I've never had good quality iterations. There's something about the mineral quality to the wines that I don't like, although I usually love minerality in wine. I've never tried reds or whites from there though.

Italian and Spanish pinks are more my thing, although I don't drink much pink wine.

[Anonymous No.13061659]

>>13049385
>best wine
>my taste in wine
>worst wine
>your taste in wine

rinse repeat and masturbate over fucking fermented grape juice.

[Anonymous No.13061668]

>>13051317
Yellowtail is basically 2 buck chuck of australian wine.

[Anonymous No.13061687]

>>13061668
Do they even stock it in Australia? I haven't been to a bottle shop where they'd stock it for a while.

[Anonymous No.13061808]

>>13049385
>he thinks country matters
>he doesn't understand the importance of the growing region

[Anonymous No.13063134]

>>13061808
Ok have fun growing pinot noir in Cuba

[Anonymous No.13063180]

>>13049471
So if you have the same humidity and "height", it will be the same? Cause that's what California did. Same exact climate as France, took their seeds, and made wine. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying it's the same fucking thing and even "experts" can't tell the difference.

[Anonymous No.13063245]

>>13063180
>>13063180
>Same exact climate as France,
France is a big place and so is California. It's going to be pretty tough to duplicate a top tier Bordeaux growing grapes near Vacaville or Manteca. The actual good land in Napa is way more expensive than you probably think.

Making a near perfect clone of the same wine in two different countries is possible, oenology isn't exactly witchcraft. But if you've got the resources (expensive land and expensive labor) to do whatever the fuck you want, there's no reason to try to make a counterfeit of something else when you can just knock someone's socks off under your own name and actually get the credit. Which is what they did in California and which is what wine makers are doing in any region that has the right conditions.

> I'm just saying it's the same fucking thing and even "experts" can't tell the difference.
High end wine fraud as you seem to be implying isn't unheard of, but when it's successful it's usually a case of a person who could have been a legend doing things honestly but got caught up in seeing what he can "get away with", and ends up in jail. See: Rudy Kurniawan. He could have made a fortune doing things honestly, but that wasn't how he got his kicks.

Believe it or not there is a market for cheaper alternatives to high end wines. That is literally how the modern food and beverage industry works - the artful application of science and technology to make something cheap taste like something not cheap.

And in any case for every cult wine that sells for $5000 there's a bunch of wines that are almost as good that go for $200 and a whole lot of really average wine that sells for $50 but should probably sell for $20 except it's trading on the fact that technically it meets the requirements to be sold with some words on the label.

[Anonymous No.13063319]

It's all made up, it's bee proven that "good" and "bad" wine is a concept that can't be consistently decided on even by professional testers during blind testing and instead they are influenced by reputation, cost and peer pressure so pick what you enjoy and drink it tier:
>France
>Italy
>Germany
>Spain
>Croatia
>Portugal
>Greece
>Austria
>Chile
>United States
>Uruguay
>Israel
>South Africa
>New Zealand
>Australia
>Argentina

[Anonymous No.13063336]

>>13063319
>pick what you enjoy
What you enjoy isn't real though. Just roll around in your own feces. Otherwise you might be wrong and then that defeats the whole purpose of enjoying things.

[Anonymous No.13063367]

>>13063336
>wow you dare to point out that it's been literally proven that wines are consistently misidentified by tasters during blind tests?
>to call into question the traditional heirarchy of good and bad wine is tantamount to saying that enjoying things doesn't even exist!
damn man

[Anonymous No.13063696]

>>13063367
>I enjoy ____
>OMG it's an international conspiracy of sophisticated food experts trying to make me feel uncultured

[Anonymous No.13063708]

>>13063180
>California
>Same exact climate as France

Are you fucking stupid or just ignorant?

[Anonymous No.13063827]

>>13063696
>pretending that regurgitating a tiered list that conforms directly to critical reception is equivalent to listing your enjoyment
>pretending that pointing out that these critics have been proven to be retarded is equivalent to saying they're perpetrating some sort of conspiracy
my guy...

[Anonymous No.13063843]

>>13063827
Earlier you were claiming that Critical Reception™ proved that Europe was obsolete. Now you're claiming that facts aren't even real. If wine makes you feel defensive and butthurt that's your issue not mine.

[Anonymous No.13063857]

>>13063843
>Earlier you were claiming critical reception[...]
literally where

>Now you're claiming that facts [...]
right this very second, unless I'm gravely misunderstanding you, you are claiming that critical reception == facts

which is
I don't even know where to begin

[Anonymous No.13063860]

>>13063857
>I don't even know where to begin
That much has always been clear.

[Anonymous No.13063874]

>>13063860
>literally doesn't even deny that's what you're claiming
my god
yeah the problem is you're making so little sense on so absolutely fundamental level it requires an inordinate amount of work to figure out how you could be this retarded, m8

[Anonymous No.13063919]

>>13063874
Your problem is you think you're in a courtroom and I'm the judge and I'm interesting in hearing your case as to why I'm actually mistaken when I think I'm enjoying a thing.

If you have anything interesting to say about wine I'd love to argue about it, but you don't, so I'll just do the 4chan thing and go "no U" and sometimes post inane reaction images.

[Anonymous No.13064428]

>>13063919
your problem is basic fundamental literacy
>literally very first post, >>13063319
>>pick what you enjoy and drink

>you
>>WHY WON'T YOU LET ME PICK WHAT I ENJOY AND DRINK

[Anonymous No.13064440]

>>13049406
There is no American wine that is even close to a French wine of the same price point.

[Anonymous No.13064466]

>>13064440
Correct. You can get shitty yurotrash wine of the same quality for half the price in America

[Anonymous No.13064468]

>>13064440
Once you get into the $75+ range American wines can SOMETIMES be pretty good, the problem is we just don't have the infrastructure, the domestic market for wine, or the tax incentives to be able to crank out good quality $30 bottles of wine on a massive scale the way France can. People buying wine buy it as an occasional thing to be "fancy", and when they want to be fancy they want lots and lots of oak and punch-me-in-the-face alcohol levels.

[Anonymous No.13064496]

What does /ck/ think of Port wine?

[Anonymous No.13064691]

>>13064496
Unfashionable at the moment, which means great quality-price ratio.

[Anonymous No.13066193]

>>13064691
Only if you count tawnies and shit like that, which aren't really that interesting

"Good" port is and always has been expensive

[Anonymous No.13066461]

>>13066193
I suppose you're right. If one wants really good quality fortifieds for a good price one should look at Sherry or Madeira.

That being said, mid-tier Ports can still provide pretty interesting wines at decent prices.

[Anonymous No.13066604]

I love how buttmad this anti new world wine guy who posts all the time is

[Anonymous No.13066612]

>recipe calls for Dry Sherry
>use Dry Vermouth
OUT OF CONTROL

[Anonymous No.13066631]

>Austria
>Might be gross
do you just not like white wine?

[Anonymous No.13067207]

>>13066631
Anything Austria does well, Germany does better. Anything they don’t do well is not worth mentioning

[Anonymous No.13067696]

>>13058683
Not at all, but the stuff is priced so high that it's not worth it unless you have some sort of UK pride. The sparkling wines can be great, but again, at the cost of Champagne and without the pedigree or refinement, what's the point?

[Anonymous No.13067711]

>>13067207
Germany does not offer a nice St. Laurent or Zweigelt, and the Gruner isn't superior in any way.

[Anonymous No.13068009]

>>13067711
Zweigelt is pleb tier zoomer juice for Bed Stuy basic beckies on fixies
St Laurent is overpriced
Gruner is only good for sangria
Fitemebitch.exe

[Anonymous No.13068179]

>>13056008

Vivino is pretty useful, don't be a contrarian fag

[Anonymous No.13068190]

Most retarded OP and thread concept in many moons

Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.13068195]

>>13066604

kek me too

[Anonymous No.13069210]

>>13049385
whats so great about western european dirt that makes better grapes?