Raw meat diet

[Anonymous No.12880425]

Hello, I've been watching some guy's videos (sv3rige), and he's what I can only describe as an anti-vegan activist, but he acts like them in reverse: instead of eating only plants, he eats only raw meats.

He makes several points in his videos, some which I knew, but he says that we should not eat plants because they are toxic, basically. Something he said that I did know is that we cannot digest fiber. However, everyone recommends fiber for healthy GI tract...

Is that right or is he simply on another seat of the same shortbus as vegans?

He says plants makes us bloated and constipated, but vegans say the same regarding meats. I'm very confused.

[Anonymous No.12880432]

>>12880425
why cant people just enjoy food without making it a statement of some sort

[Anonymous No.12880441]

>>12880425
We can digest raw meat (think steak tartare), but we get less nutrients from raw than cooked meats. Cooking food in general, not only meats, make them more digestible and more calories can be extracted from cooked food. Raw meat can make people ill if the meat is contaminated with bacteria

[Anonymous No.12880455]

He's an attention whore who's acting his character out for youtube views
Also he eats fruits

[Anonymous No.12880458]

>>12880441
Correct

[Anonymous No.12880466]

[Anonymous No.12880470]

Gatis:
Bald
Stares at the sun for nutrients
Attacked children at a school
Believes the world is flat
Is an antivaxxer
Has been hospitalized from his diet multiple times (but believes we don't need medicine)
Uses fallacies as arguments thus has never won a debate

OP is retarded and his cult leader is more retarded

[Anonymous No.12880476]

I didn't give a shit about veganism. That was until this veganism shit has been pushing the "anti-meat" agenda in recent years and now we get people telling us to switch to bugs instead to "save muh planet"

Same happened with the faggots. Tolerate them, and they push it too far by fucking kids.

[Anonymous No.12880484]

>>12880470
>Believes the world is flat
really?

[Anonymous No.12880496]

>>12880476
Vegans don't eat bugs though, idiot. That's your right wing retarded echochamber using a strawman to warp your views.

[Anonymous No.12880501]

>>12880441
>>12880458
>citation needed

[Anonymous No.12880543]

>>12880496
>claims I'm using a strawman
>uses a strawman
Literally nowhere did I ever even imply that vegans eat bugs or ask people to eat bugs. Learn to read before looking like a fool in future.

[Anonymous No.12880573]

>>12880425
Sv3rige had good videos in ~2015-2017. I recommend watching those older videos for some interesting perspectives on a variety of topics. Unfortunately more recently he got a bit kooky and his channel sadly got removed from the youtube algorithm.

[Anonymous No.12880590]

>>12880543
>save muh bugs
Low IQ just like OP

[Anonymous No.12880606]

>>12880501
In theory, raw meat has more nutrients than cooked meat. During cooking, most heat-sensitive, soluble and volatile nutrients such as Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) may leach into the broth or get denatured and lose their functional characteristics. On the other hand, raw meat is difficult to digest which makes most of the nutrients unavailable for the body to absorb. Hence, the need for cooking to make the nutrients available. Moreso, uncooked meat contains microorganisms that can cause problems in the body, you are more likely to ingest germs than nutrients when you consume raw meat. Therefore, cooked meat makes more nutrients available than raw meat.

[Anonymous No.12880611]

>>12880425
Although a bit of a meme, sv3rige brings up important points that the mainstream neglect. Plants absolutely don't want to be eaten, but unlike animals, they lack teeth and claws to defend themselves, so they utilize chemical defenses instead. A single kidney bean ingested raw can kill an adult human, due to its phytohaemagglutinin content, for example. Various other plants have specific antinutrients that may have less lethal acute effects.

Here is a more scientific perspective regarding plant versus animal nutrition:
Vegetables, etc.—Who Defines Food?
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/vegetables.shtml

[Anonymous No.12880667]

>>12880606
>On the other hand, raw meat is difficult to digest which makes most of the nutrients unavailable for the body to absorb.
>citation needed

[Anonymous No.12880715]

After being mostly vegan for the past 10 years I'm thinking about adding meat to my diet after reading that vegans and vegetarians have a higher risk of suffering a stroke. But since meat eaters also have a higher risk of having a heart attack I plan to cycle my meat consumption like bodybuilders do creatine.

[Anonymous No.12880724]

>>12880425
Atleast let it partially cook in citrus or vinegar. Then throw a little salt on it.

[Anonymous No.12880726]

>>12880715
Sugar causes heart disease, not meat.

[Anonymous No.12880836]

>>12880425
Hi. Just stopping in to let you know I hid your thread.

[Anonymous No.12880849]

>>12880715
Start with eggs and dairy and fish. Doesn't even have to be everyday.

[Anonymous No.12880864]

>>12880425
awesome bait. love the t-shirt. kek

[Anonymous No.12880870]

>>12880432
>>12880441
>>12880455
>>12880458
>>12880466
>>12880470
cope

https://youtu.be/-5E-HfgFtHI

[Anonymous No.12880876]

>>12880425
>proxy.duckduckgo.com
very based
I'm vegan though so I'm hiding your thread
that said, FUCK GOOGLE

[Anonymous No.12880893]

>>12880870
Pretty based desu

[Anonymous No.12880902]

>>12880611
>Plants absolutely don't want to be eaten
Anything with seeds pretty much wants to be eaten so the seeds will be pooped out somewhere else and help the plant spread.

They also don't want to be eaten by pests or things that will totally destroy them without helping them reproduce. Caffeine, nicotine, capsaicin, etc. all act as pesticides, but it's also the reason we like a lot of plants. We've also bred most plants to have minimal levels of the things that are supposed to be bad for you, anyway.

[Anonymous No.12880910]

>>12880726
Obesity, alcoholism, and smoking too much will do it too. Meat in a balanced diet is probably fine, but overeating it will cause some problems. Just like with sugar, staying at around 20g per day seems to be fine, but most people are getting 70g+ which is why there are so many problems with it. Basically just keep everything in moderation.

[Anonymous No.12880916]

>>12880425
Fiber on a raw meat diet is absolutely terrible for your gut, Sv3rige is 100% correct on that. But, if you are eating cooked foods, fiber CAN help with digestion. It's also a fact that carbohydrates can give you strength and energy, supposedly the body can convert fat to muscle but I don't have the science to back up this claim.

[Anonymous No.12880919]

>>12880910
c o p e

https://youtu.be/wp1UtsHqLOM

[Anonymous No.12880930]

>>12880910
Absolute nonsense, explain how eating too much meat is bad for you.

[Anonymous No.12881037]

>>12880930
too much of anything is bad for you, the pretext is necessitated.

[Anonymous No.12881234]

>>12880902
I agree that fruit want to be eaten, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are particularly nourishing, just that they are designed to be appealing.
I have nothing against plant consumption, many are enjoyable sources of calories, but for actual optimization of health and nutrition, animal products are necessary.

[Anonymous No.12882225]

>>12880726
Explain the mechanism

[Anonymous No.12882237]

>>12880606
>On the other hand
>Therefore
>Hence
>Moreso

[Anonymous No.12882261]

>>12880425
too much of one thing will kill you and you will get sick of it. plus he is going to die from bacteria in the meat anyway. im not a anti this or that but thats why cooking was invented to kill micro bacteria that live in raw meat. i learned this in home economics class on day one when i was 13.

>>if you eat/drink things in moderation a diet that has worked for thousands of years. you wont have a problem but so far vegans are trying to tip the balance in their favour because everybody else is wrong except them.

[Anonymous No.12882280]

>>12881234
>but for actual optimization of health and nutrition, animal products are necessary.
Agreed. Fruits provide plenty of health benefits though, even if they're not high in fat and protein. Since we're omnivores we can survive on a bunch of different diets like this but the best ones seem to be just doing things moderately.

[Anonymous No.12882579]

>>12880425
>simply on another seat of the same shortbus
Nailed it.

[Anonymous No.12882589]

>>12880425
>that hairline

Yikes!

[Anonymous No.12882771]

Compassion is putting another creature's life before your own.

Renouncing your own wants percentage of brain and muscle growth is an act of compassion.

Yes meat tastes good
Yes it builds muscles

Putting your cock places it doesn't belong feels good too but it takes a champion to step out of the cycle and just live and let live.

[Anonymous No.12882878]

>>12882771
mental illness

[Anonymous No.12882915]

>>12882261
did u pull that out of ur ass?

[Anonymous No.12882970]

>>12882771
>Compassion is putting another creature's life before your own.
That's called low-self esteem. Yes, we must have compassion and should not bash random animals with bricks if we see them around, but that doesn't mean we should stop eating animals. All the same, plants are also creatures and are alive and defend themselves against us with anti-nutrients.

[Anonymous No.12883202]

>>12880484
yup

[Anonymous No.12883217]

>>12880425
his favorite videos of mine are the ones where he interviews ex vegans. he's a flat earther so i really can't trust much of what he says and i'm unsure of what an "anti-nutrient" truly is.

basically, humans are omnivores, eat all things in moderation, meat is good for you and so are vegetables just use caution and be smart.

oh and if you're looking for an ex vegan channel to watch, watch vegetable police.

[Anonymous No.12883220]

>>12883217
>Antinutrients are natural or synthetic compounds that interfere with the absorption of nutrients.[1] Nutrition studies focus on these antinutrients commonly found in food sources and beverages.

[Anonymous No.12883231]

>>12880476
>straight pedophiles don't exist
ok anon. no one is more annoyed at faggot circles getting invaded by pedos than faggots themselves but ok I guess

that said militant vegans are really irritating

[Anonymous No.12883431]

>>12882771
>putting an animal's life above yours and your families.
That's not compassion, anon. That's pure cuckoldry.

[Anonymous No.12883448]

>>12880466
He just has a huge forehead. Even videos from 7 years ago it's the same.

[Anonymous No.12883571]

>>12881037

Including vegetables. Oxylates, lectins, phytic acid, nitrates, goitrogens....all found in high amounts in plants. Probably why vegan diets end up ruining your digestion in the long run.

[Anonymous No.12883573]

>>12882771

What's it like to be in an apocalypse cult?

[Anonymous No.12883633]

>>12880466
His hairline is afraid of his huge intellect.
Plant eaters will never know what it feels like to know so much about the universe.

[Anonymous No.12883638]

>>12880425
He'll stop as soon as he starts shitting blood from colon cancer

[Anonymous No.12883646]

>>12880470
He is emotuonally abusive to luna too, even on one of his livestream. And now she is pregnant. God speed to that child.

[Anonymous No.12883661]

Doesn't work very well cause given the choice I'd side with vegans without even a second of thought.
Fuck meatheads like him. These are the kinds of retards that are currently destroying the country and the planet.

[Anonymous No.12884023]

>>12880902
belladonna fruits will still kill you

[Anonymous No.12884303]

>vegans are mentally ill
>but so are anti-vegan meatheads
Embarrassing I have to live with you people around me.

[Anonymous No.12884314]

>>12880425
>>12880870
>put on black metal really loud to snap them out of their bubble
holy fucking based

[Anonymous No.12884487]

>>12883217
>and i'm unsure of what an "anti-nutrient" truly is.
something that binds to minerals and doesn't let you absorb them during digestion. the problem is that unless your diet is nothing but whole grains, it probably doesn't bind to enough minerals to cause a problem. and some studies show them acting as antioxidants or having other health benefits in small amounts. so they might not be completely bad.

[Anonymous No.12884525]

>>12884487
Not true, anti nutrients bind up quite a lot of minerals in your body. For example, this study on 75 vegan women in Germany found that 40% of them were iron deficient, despite average iron intakes that were above the recommended daily allowance:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14988640

Many plant foods that contain zinc also contain the antinutrient phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35% compared with omniovorous diet. Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. This study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50% more zinc than omnivores for this reason:

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.long

[Anonymous No.12884534]

>>12883638
But meat is digested in the small intestine, it never reaches the colon unless you have some kind of disease which disturbs digestion.

[Anonymous No.12884538]

>>12880496
>Vegans don't eat bugs though, idiot. That's your right wing retarded echochamber using a strawman to warp your views.
Kill yourself ideologue

[Anonymous No.12884542]

>>12884525
what about in people following normal diets? vegetarians are already more likely to be deficient in iron just because plants only have non-heme iron which isn't as easily absorbed.

[Anonymous No.12885581]

I do the carnivore diet it's incredible. Feels like you've put nothing in your stomach. All my digestive issues are gone (I didn't even know that I had these issues before I removed plant stuff). I can eat a 2000 calorie meal then go for a cycle immediately. I used to eat banana, blueberry etc smoothies and got such terrible brain fog from it. All that is gone.

[Anonymous No.12885596]

>>12885581
>brain fog

[Anonymous No.12885993]

>>12883646
You think the kid is better off or worse off than a vegan kid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtLSn2PqX6k

[Anonymous No.12886010]

>>12880441
I’m not sure that’s true, cooking would lower the caloric content of something by default, but we do cook meat for the purpose of digestion so. Guess I always assumed the whole reason was for ease of chewing.

[Anonymous No.12886025]

>>12880476
Look I hate trannies for sexualizing children on tv as much as anyone else but eastern cultures have eaten bugs for all time. If we weren’t raised to see them gross we’d probably see a pic full of tasty bite size morsels right here.

[Anonymous No.12886035]

>>12886010

we cook food because it reminds us of freshly killed animals.

[Anonymous No.12886049]

>>12885993
Because I'm thinking sveriges kid is going to have a much better chance of having a good Healthy life than your average vegan infant, let me know if I'm wrong here??

[Anonymous No.12886179]

>>12886049
>I'm really worried about that carnivore kid.
>That poor kid who eats a natural ancestral diet...

[Anonymous No.12886181]

>>12880870
He's right, you know. I myself am retarded.

[Anonymous No.12886266]

>>12880870
Ok, I just watched the whole thing and he's non-ironically brilliant.

[Anonymous No.12886375]

>>12886010
Cooking it breaks down portions of the food's internal structure which makes it easier to digest. This more than makes up for the wasted calories from parts that are burned.

[Anonymous No.12886412]

>Be carnivore memester
>Make body allergic to everything that isn't a t-bone
Why do people do this, again?

[Anonymous No.12886422]

>there are actual retards following sv3riges advice on /ck/

[Anonymous No.12886662]

>>12886422
Well said. Vegans are so much healthier.

[Anonymous No.12886681]

>>12886662
i don't think that guy eats anything

[Anonymous No.12886853]

Can you retards give us an opinion about low-carb cooked meat diets?
I hate that every dietary thread on ck has to be carni vs vegan, I just want to be able to eat both plants and meat.

[Anonymous No.12887046]

>>12886853
Not longer term sustainable. Good if you want to lose weight in short term.

[Anonymous No.12887066]

>>12880425
If you selectively ignore the facts that don't gel with your own ass-backwards opinion, you can prove anything.

[Anonymous No.12887067]

>>12886853
Retarded fad. Carbs are not evil and red meat is not good.

[Anonymous No.12887071]

>>12883646
>He is emotuonally abusive to luna too, even on one of his livestream. And now she is pregnant.
Source? News to me he got his gf pregnant.

[Anonymous No.12887080]

>>12883646
At least he might not knock her teeth out again while she is pregnant

[Anonymous No.12887085]

>>12886179
>a natural ancestral diet
includes animal products but also fruits, herbs, roots, honey, nuts, seeds, etc.

[Anonymous No.12887089]

>>12886025
Couldn't we just sport hunt oligarchs in minecraft until they put meat back on the menu in minecraft.

[Anonymous No.12887102]

>>12880425
Humans are generalists and can eat anything but its still probably better to have a consistent diet so your body can adapt to it fully.

[Anonymous No.12887806]

>>12887067
>fad
>it's literally the way our ancestors used to eat during winter time

[Anonymous No.12888132]

>>12880606
CiTaTiOnS
take your faggy reddit speak and fuck off

[Anonymous No.12888830]

>>12880432
>why cant people just ignore the fact that millions of sentient beings are born just to live in torture and end up being brutally slaughtered for absolutely no practical reason
why are meatshitters such retarded subhumans?

[Anonymous No.12888936]

>>12880870
>child organ harvesting
and i'm here feeling guilty about watching porn
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.12889098]

>>12880425
Pretty much all plants are indeed toxic, that is true. That being said, humans can neutralize most of these toxins due to thousands of years of evolutions.
We still primarily carnivorous so digesting meat is much easier for us to do compared to plants. The main issue here is that the process of digesting meat and plants interfere with each other to an extent which may create a situation where eating meat seems to create digesting issues.
There was a study done (google it) that shows that switching to a carnivore diet for a constipated person resolves constipation pretty much always. Needing fiber for digestion is a marketing meme created by cereal manufacturers. The whole idea behind the fiber is that humans are actually terrible at digesting it so it "pushes the shit down" - which is a sound theory but it doesn't really hold up. In fact, fiber is the prime source of constipation.
So, the carnivore diet is the second-best way of unloading your digestive system right after not eating at all.
That being said, we did evolve to eat plants and we are pretty good at that too.
The main issue of going carnivore without any downsides is the fact your diet must be very varied. You can't just stick to lean beef and be done with it. You'll need meat, fish, innards - everything you can get. Unlike veganism, you can, in fact, get every nutrient you need from animal products but it'll be about as hard as being vegan and not slowly killing yourself.
A much easier way is to eat plants too because you actually can. Not to mention, carnivore diet was never studied on a truly long-term basis.
Going carnivore would put you in a constant ketosis state which is nice for losing weight and not dying but it's not really "peak performance" for a human.
Carbs are our prime source of energy and it shows. There are bodybuilders who work out on a keto diet and they tend to observe worse results compared to including carbs.
Strongmen on 10k+ calorie diet eat everything.

[Anonymous No.12889103]

>>12880425
Some indigestible fibres retain water, so that helps against constipation. Of course if you have very little indigestible solids in your diet, such as a pure meat diet, you don't need that ... but if you have a diet which is otherwise healthy and all you need to add to get rid of constipation is some psyllium husk, well that sure is easy.

Some fiber ferments in your colon. It produces some gas, but not on the same level as say beans, but it also produces short chain fatty acids. Higher amounts of SCFAs are to the best of our knowledge beneficial.

The soluble/insoluble classification is likely too simplistic to specify what and how much fibre in your diet is beneficial.

One thing is certain, we're all going to die and Sverige is not going to live to 140.

[Anonymous No.12889107]

>>12889098
I would also add that cooking meat would do fuck all to its nutrition value. I highly doubt there's a big difference in the digestion process either.
The reason to cook your meat is to sanitize and preserve it. Don't kill yourself by eating raw meat, anon. It really isn't worth it.

[Anonymous No.12889359]

>>12880425
He's insane but his anti-vegan videos are good.