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12778601 No.12778601 [Reply] [Original]

Why is honey the only insect secretion that is socially acceptable to consume?

>> No.12778605

it tastes food

>> No.12778612

Because the West already has an ancient tradition of eating it, whereas eating insects was forbidden by the holy book of the dominant religion and thus became fully taboo

>> No.12778617

>>12778601
Is there an insect secretion you'd recommend?

>> No.12778629

>>12778617
wasp shit.

>> No.12778631
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>>12778617
Spiderwebs.

>> No.12778633

>>12778617
Cockroach milk

>> No.12778641

>>12778601
honey is almost like pure sugar. Its highly refined.

>> No.12778648

>>12778601
Bees make the good shit. Other insects make shit shit.

>> No.12778657

>>12778629
>>12778631
>>12778633
I think we're getting to the bottom of why honey is considered the good one

>> No.12778679

>>12778657
Honey is actually bee vomit. Look it up.

>> No.12778686

>>12778679
Well it tastes good, unlike spider webs for example

>> No.12778697
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>>12778601
It's weird to think that it came out of a bee's butthole but once you taste it, mmmmmm

>> No.12778731

I'm vegan and still eat honey, AMA

>> No.12778732

>>12778601
>Why is honey the only insect secretion that is socially acceptable to consume?
It's not. Look up "Confectioner's Glaze", a common ingredient in tons of candy in the US and abroad.

>> No.12778741
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12778741

*ahem*

>> No.12778744

>>12778731
did you know that date syrup is healthier and tastes better? just letting you know. not that i care what you eat

>> No.12778748

>>12778741
LOOK AT THAT FARTBOX

>> No.12778752

>>12778741
THICC

>> No.12778755

>>12778744
Too expensive, just like agave

>> No.12778774

>>12778744
I didn't know this. Thank you anon. My veganism has leveled up.

>> No.12778777

>>12778601
Because Bees are Based, Breh.

>> No.12778787

>>12778741
BRAAAAAAAAAAAP!

>> No.12778798

>>12778601
Probably because they produce so much of it, store it in convenient packages and it's relatively easy to collect a large amount with very little effort. No other insects store their secretions so compactly in such a large volume.

>> No.12778839
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>>12778798
if honey is so easy to steal, why did bees evolve to do it? a question for /an/

>> No.12778844

>>12778741
only abos eat these.

>> No.12778850

>>12778697
It's vomit, not poop.

>> No.12779028

>>12778641
youre highly retarded

>> No.12779077

>>12778601
what about honeydew, cochneal food dye, silk worm cocoons...

>> No.12779108

>>12778601
Because honey is more like milk, in that it's not the animal itself, but a product of it. It's also easily separatable from the insect and therefore a step removed from eating something insectoid.

And you know, honey was one of the more sought after foods for a reason. It was one of the only sources of sugar, kept excellently and is calorie dense. It also has had applications other than food, like healing poultries, warm milk and honey, getting drunk, dressing for wounds and preserving the severed head of Vlad Tepes.

>> No.12779123

>>12778839
It's not easy to steal. Bees defend their nearly inaccessible nests ferociously.
It's just that humans wield fire and therefore smoke, which makes bees quite handy.

>> No.12779130

>>12778679
Well bees are cute so it's fine when cute things vomit.

>> No.12779131
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>>12778601
what other "insect secretion" do you want to eat?

>> No.12779138
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>>12779123
Keep on smoking them out, see what happens.

>> No.12779139

>>12779028
wtf its like 70% sugar
thats pretty high

>> No.12779150

>>12778657
Royal jelly
Aphid milk

>> No.12779151

>>12779138
I wanna get mating-pressed by a bear!

>> No.12779160

>>12778612
Religion never prohibited that. The bible says certain bugs are fine, like locusts

>> No.12779163

*hits blunt* what if ant cum is really good, we just can't harvest it in large quantities

>> No.12779164

>>12778839
My dad told me about this, that bird is about to be pregnant and single

>> No.12779170

>>12778787
I feel as though it would be more like BLOOOOOOOOOOOP-th!

>> No.12779187

>>12779138
Being raped by a bear?

>> No.12779206

>>12779151
>>12779187
I love that our minds are so filthy now we take the comic out of context. She gave the honey away so the bear would take care of the honey farmer.

>> No.12779240

>>12778679
Huh? WHAT?!??!?!?!?!!!!!! NO WAY?!?!?!!

>> No.12779252
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>>12779206

>> No.12779265

>>12779130
So if a cute girl vomits on you, you think this is okay?

>> No.12779274

>>12779240
Did you look it up?

>> No.12779301

>>12779274
haha no way is that true it's TOOOOOOOO weird whoever heard something like that LMAO

>> No.12779307

>>12779164
Is this a joke? All I'm thinking is your dad talking to you about the birds and the bees.

>> No.12779363

>>12779265
....yes

>> No.12779418
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>>12778605
based, in addition to sneed

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>>12778839
Birds of prey just don’t give a damn. I see it. I want to eat it. I take it. I eat it. This is why the Eagle is America’s national symbol.

>> No.12779677

>>12778641
Someone doesnt know what refined means

>> No.12779705
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>>12778641
>>12779677
People with highly refined tastes love honey

>> No.12779742
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12779742

Am beekeeper. I'll be harvesting from 20 hives this weekend. AMA

Pictured- my bees

>> No.12779760

>>12779742
do you waifu any of the queens?
have you stuck your dick in any of the hives?
are your bees friendly or assholes?
is it fun keeping bees?
is it profitable?
do you do this in an isolated location (like a farm) or amidst other homes? if there are people living close by, are any bothered by your bees?

>> No.12779766

>>12779150
I'd eat the shit out of royal jelly if I was an eccentric billionaire or whatever.

>> No.12779768

Can you eat lobster roe?

>> No.12779779
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>>12779151

>> No.12779800
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>>12779742
Show pics. I harvested 2.5 gallons from 1 hive and spun it out on a centrifuge so the comb is still there and they can quickly refill. Hoping to get another batch.

>> No.12779892

>>12779760
>do you waifu any of the queens?
yes
>have you stuck your dick in any of the hives?
not yet
>are your bees friendly or assholes?
mostly friendly, but depends on weather and what manipulations I am doing
>is it fun keeping bees?
yes :) I will be keeping bees for the rest of my life.
>is it profitable?
yes. only a small profit so far.
summary of last season: cost of bees and jars: $4,200, harvest: 900 lbs honey (from 30 hives), sells for $10/lb
I still have about 300 lbs unsold from last year.
>do you do this in an isolated location (like a farm) or amidst other homes? if there are people living close by, are any bothered by your bees?
The nearest neighbor is 300 feet away from the hives. They are surrounded by trees though which helps. When the creek goes dry the bees bother the next door neighbor by drinking form the pool.

>> No.12779968
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>>12779800
awesom! where do you keep them? Mine are Illinois

>> No.12779979
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>>12779800
5 frame nucleus colonies from 2 seasons ago. I don't use those sized boxes much any more but they look nice don't they?

>> No.12779983
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>>12779800
1/3 lb of honey comb in handy containers.

>> No.12779991
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>>12779800
top-down shot of filled jars.

>> No.12780008

>>12778601
Cochineal beetle juice is commonly used as an organic red food dye.

>> No.12780012

>>12779131
Gamer squirrel pee

>> No.12780115
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>>12779892
cool, thanks for the informative response. did you need any training or practice? if so, how long was it before you felt that you're adept at this? do you grow flowerbeds for the bees or do they get nectar out in the wild?

>> No.12780141

I have a bee in my backyard how do I get honey

>> No.12780144

>>12779742
I've never been stung by a bee or wasp. What is it like & on a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the pain?

>> No.12780153

>>12779077
you eat silk?

>> No.12780191

>>12780115
>did you need any training or practice?
I have a friend that has some experience that has been a great resource.
>if so, how long was it before you felt that you're adept at this?
2 seasons. I still have a lot to learn about maximizing production.
>do you grow flowerbeds for the bees or do they get nectar out in the wild?
they get it from the wild

>> No.12780239

>>12780153
Chinese I believe boil the cocoons or otherwise prepare and eat it, it's a delicacy

>> No.12780248

>>12780191
how lush is the wilderness around you to support 20 hives?

>> No.12780259

>>12780144
hard to say. the stings from honey bees do not cause a uniform pain. some hurt more than others. It depends on where on your body they sting and how long they sting you for.

I'd say the pain from a honey bee sting can be as bad as stubbing your toe really bad at first. the initial pain goes away in about a minute. After that it depends on how your body reacts to the toxin. Personally, I used to have dull throbbing pain for 4 days after a sting. Nothing you couldn't get used to though. Now-a-days the pain doesn't last longer than 1-2 days.

worst spot i've been stung is my cheek :(

>> No.12780264

>>12780239
https://www.google.com/search?q=蚕蛹怎么吃&client=ms-android-google&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiVyNLV4oPkAhWxzlkKHQaZCssQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=412&bih=604&dpr=2.63

>> No.12780279

>>12779742
What are their names? All of them. All. Of. Them.

>> No.12780281

>>12780248
There are lots of trees in the area that must produce sufficient nectar.

>> No.12780283

>>12778617
Dew of aphid

>> No.12780321

>>12779150
>>12780283
Do aphids produce enough to even be worthwhile?
>>12779206
It's an Oglaf comic, so assuming it's sexual isn't exactly out of context.

>> No.12780325

>>12780144
Bees vary from bee to bee and person to person.

Wasps and hornets are a lot sharper. Anyone with any sense knows that around a wasp not to agitate them as even if they land on you they will not likely sting. They are very stupid and may nibble on your skin before leaving, but are not prone to stinging. If they do it will hurt like a motherfucker. Fuck hornets though, fucking asshole, they're technically wasps but super-aggressive and social like bees so expect more than one but with more painful stings.

You ever like to go fishing regularly or go picnicking and want to tuck something extra in in case asshole bugs show up. Put some machine freeze spray in. Will turn them into solid ice Mortal Kombat style mid-air.
https://www.all-spec.com/Catalog/Chemicals-Cleaning-Supplies/Chemicals/Freeze-Spray/ES1052-9700?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI55CVsuWD5AIVgYbACh1Y2AmgEAQYAyABEgKUhfD_BwE
Shit is fucking hilarious, they will shatter hitting the ground.

>> No.12780403

>>12779187
That's pretty kinky, some japs might go for that.

>> No.12780422
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12780422

Nobody remembers the humble ant.
Here's a picture of honeypot ants.

>> No.12780452

>>12780281
trees have nectar?

>> No.12780474
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12780474

> Honeybee just wants to be friendly and left alone

>> No.12780481
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12780481

I wonder what a spider's egg sac would taste like.

>> No.12780494

>>12780115
Looks like a western cicada killer

>> No.12780495
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12780495

>>12778601
We like making candy with it.

>> No.12780501

>>12780422
I've recently downloaded a text based porn game about space adventures. Right now I'm on a planet filled with ant-women that lactate honey. So, yeah, hurray ants.

>> No.12780520

>>12780115
RULES OF NATURE

>> No.12780533

>>12780501
When I was a little kid, the thing I found with vast majority of text based games was that the answers were all scripted. Kind of like early video games on those old video disc things. There were only a very set number of answers possible so everything was based on that.
It wasn't freeform like some more recent games like Asheron's Call which had a good run but shut down, that one didn't have zoning crap if overland or in a fort or something.

>> No.12780535

>>12780481
Nightmares

>> No.12780557

>>12780501
TiTS has some weird furry shit, but god damn is the writing pretty hot.

>> No.12780602

>>12780501
>>12780557
Look up the old game astrotit
It was space invaders based but it was a big penis shooting spooge shots at tits. I have a copy of it, but wit current computers even using a vm the timing is off.

>> No.12780625

>>12780481
Dust

>> No.12780859

>>12780452
Yeah! many species of trees make tons of nectar. fruit trees, basswood, and plenty more

>> No.12781261

>>12779139
I'm pretty high

>> No.12781570
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12781570

Honey is just glorified sugar syrup with impurities made from flower precum and aphid ass juice that bees throw up once they realize what they've eaten. There are literally ZERO benefits honey has over pure syrup made from clean water and sugar.

Furthermore, bees are highly industrialized animals that endanger wild pollinators. There is nothing natural about them.

>> No.12781575

>>12781570
Bluepilled

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>>12781570

>> No.12781624

>>12778741
These used to get into my bathroom and I'd eat them while I would take a shit and the sour smell of fecal matter contrasted with the sweet tasting sac of these was an amazing experience

>> No.12781629

>>12781600
>posts a wasp

>> No.12781639

>>12778617
thing of bug

>> No.12781643

>>12778741
still honey tho

>> No.12781645
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12781645

>>12778601
>stopping at excretions
To answer your question though, old worlders and burgers are unenlightened. They are but mere prisoners in the cave yet to be dazzled by the light of sun.

>> No.12781804

i foud a bee in a machine at work and i though he was pretty much dead but i put him on a flower and he perked right up and went to town on it

>> No.12781807

>>12778601
Well it’s basically just pollen turned into a syrup, from what I understand. It’s not a secretion in the same way, say urine is

>> No.12781851

>>12781570
Cute hornet, looks like she's waving at us

>> No.12781860

>>12779968
MS. I've just started with 1 hive but my neighbor has 3. I'm going to put up a swarm box to try to catch swarm to start another hive.

>> No.12781861
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>>12781804
I was sitting in a park enjoying a sandwich and one started buzzing me then when I left started following me around so I had to grab it out of the air and throw it into a bed of flowers. Crappy picture here because I didn't much time. 1/2

>> No.12781866

>>12781804
>>12781861
2/2, she's in here somewhere, I don't know if I can spot her anymore.

>> No.12781868

>>12781807
You are misinformed. Honey is bee vomit

>> No.12781870
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12781870

>>12781866
grrr....

>> No.12781900

>>12780859
Do you have any problems with parasites? 2 years ago there was almost no bee colony left In my area because of some kind of bug. It was like an epidemic.

>> No.12782489

>>12781900
yes, I get varroa mites. I lose almost all my hives every winter for a number of reasons - vorroa mites are part of that.

>> No.12782505

>>12781807
flower nectar is what gets turned into honey. Pollen is used for something else in the hive.

Honey is where bees get their carbohydrates and pollen is their protein source. Bees only consume protein during development. Once they are adults, they just sip honey to refuel themselves and no longer take in protein.

>> No.12782525
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>>12781570
>Furthermore, bees are highly industrialized animals that endanger wild pollinators. There is nothing natural about them.


This is true. Also, all the 'save the bees' hype is a misdirection. Honeybees will be fine as long as they are profitable. Other insects that share ecosystems with honeybees are suffering from many of the same stressors (habitat loss, pesticide use, monocrop farms) that affect honeybees. Problem is, there is no financial incentive to prop up say bumble bee population like there is with honeybees.

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12782600

>>12778631
Oh man this got my by surprise

>> No.12782610

I used to see tons of honey bees around when I was a child but now I barely see a handful a year. Where is all the honey coming from then?

>> No.12782615

>>12779164
What did he mean by this?

>> No.12782628

>>12779800
Could you explain the centrifuge process?

>> No.12782631

>>12779892
What queens do you prefer over others? Is it easy to find them?

>> No.12782634

>>12782610
Not from your region

>> No.12782637

>>12778844
Then an abo I shall become, catch me at my northern territories

>> No.12782846

>>12782628
It's basically a cylinder with frame holders attached to a spindle that whirls around very fast when you crank it. The frame (what I'm holding in the post you responded to) contains honeycomb filled with honey and capped. So you slice the cap off with a very sharp knife, insert the frames into the frame holder, crank it and the spinning force empties the honeycomb which can then be drawn off into jars or buckets. They make large electric ones for bigger operations.

>> No.12782885

>>12781900
Not him, but in addition to mites they can become infested with hive beetles which cause damage to the comb, honey and pollen. They sell traps for them that work but you can't let the population get to big. Keeping the hive in full sun helps prevent them. There are also bacterial diseases like foul brood syndrome which if a hive gets infected with is doomed.

>>12782489
Why not treat for them? Not saying it's 100% effective but you sure as hell won't lose most of your hive from them.

>> No.12783003

>>12782610
Production of natural honey – 2017
Country tonnes
China 543,000
Turkey 114,471
Iran 69,699
United States 66,968
Ukraine 66,231
Russia 65,678
India 64,981

>> No.12783012

>>12782885
This year I will be treating them.

>> No.12783120

>>12783003
Chinese colored hfcs with 5% honey added doesn't count as honey.

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>>12783003
>China 543,000
yeah let's hope it's honey

>> No.12784089

>>12783120
If it was sugar syrup with 5% honey it might as well, the trace amounts of minerals and vitamins in "real" honey are worthless anyway.

>> No.12784141

>>12784049
China actually managed to get their shit banned here, but thanks to the poor wording by the FDA, China was ultra-filtering out the pollen so the source couldn't be traced, and selling it through countries like Malaysia so it looked like it didn't come from them. Eventually the USDA stopped in and gave it a grading system for honey, that's not really effective. Chinese honey is so damned cheap that smugglers have been caught with shipments worth as much as 70 million USD of Chinese honey to the US alone, containing chloramphenicol, an anti-biotic that damages bone marrow.

>> No.12784148

>>12784141
this basically all honey is fake unless it comes off the back of a pickup truck

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>>12781624

>> No.12784154

>>12780141
You have to have sex with it obviously

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>>12780141

>> No.12784201

>>12784141
On the one hand it's terrible, but on the otoh it's good because people realize local honey is real. Anyone buying unsourced honey from a grocery is a fool.

>>12784148
Pretty much, yeah. Or just start a hive. Most states now have laws that can't prevent you from raising bees, even within city limits since they're endangered.
>inb4 b-but bees are scary
Nope.

>> No.12784427

>>12779991
>not arranging them hexagonally to look like comb.
Anon, I'm disappointed.

>> No.12784431

Anyone here tasted Royal Jelly? Is it good?

>> No.12784527

>>12784431
It's an expensive meme for korean suckers. Koreans are the most easily conned people on earth. I like koreans, but christ they're naive. It's weird.

>> No.12784538

>>12784527
maybe it has somthing to do with a war that killed a huge portion of the adult population

>> No.12784555

>>12779800
Ever try out a Flow Hive?

>> No.12784566
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12784566

>>12784538
War creates progress, occupation spreads ideas and structure to underdeveloped areas. Also, rape and abuse.

I wish someone would create one of these for eastern Europe. They benefited more from communism than Russia did. Schools, hospitals, and small governmental bodies popped up where there was formerly nothing. I'd never say communism works for modern society but it helped build a lot there.

>> No.12784641

>>12778839
she stole it for the larvae not the honey

>> No.12784650

>>12778601
Well, it's one of the few foods in existence that just does not fucking ever go bad.

>> No.12785141

>>12784141
is there anything untainted by greed?

>> No.12785201

>>12782846
And this is done to preserve the honeycomb so the bees don't have to fuck with making new comb. You're a nice guy

>> No.12785227

>>12784566
It does in a sense, but your picture just demonstrates the dynamic between poor agrarian communities, and modern cities. Which further stratified the Korean people, leading to revolution. Then you can also look at Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation, or Iraq before the U.S. invasion.

>> No.12785241

>>12784566
But I agree about the rapid industrialization policies these governments undertook, where many countries before industrialization were probably in a feudal type of state.

>> No.12785243

>>12778617
crab legs

>> No.12785255

>>12780115
that webm is art

>> No.12785329

>>12785255
you're art!

>> No.12785385

>>12782885
>>12783012
>treating varroa
There's a guy on the east coast that swears by not treating varroa. Something about the treatment being as bad for the hive as the varroa is, and that if left untreated over the course of several generations, they become resistant to the mites anyway. No idea how true it is, but it is compelling.

>>12784148
>all honey is fake unless it comes off the back of a pickup truck
Realistically, how do you know that they guy selling off the back of his truck isn't getting fake honey from China? The only way to know is to raise your own bees.

>>12784650
Surprisingly, even if you try to make it go bad, it only gets better. Mmm-mead.

>> No.12785419

>>12784431

Yes, from my own queen cells when I raised queens.its nothing special.

>> No.12785485

>>12785385
I used to feel the same way about not treating for varroa. Ideally, you would let the bees that fail to resist varroa naturally die off and only breed from surviving stock.

I plan on doing this (selective breeding) once I have the time.

I encourage all hobby beekeepers to do the same.

The professional beekeepers here in the states really don't have a choice in the matter. They have to rely on medication and pesticide treatments to keep their bees alive. This is because the slump in production on honey that would result in letting the weak strains die off would bankrupt them. This economic pressure to keep weak strains alive will drag the varroa mite problem on way longer than it needs to.


There are a lot of exciting things happening at the University/hobby level to breed resistant strains. Look up the Purdue bee lab for an example.

>> No.12785743

>>12785485
>only breed from surviving stock
That's something that always confused me. Queens are determined through brute force, and drone reproduction is um... a group effort, right? So actively breeding based off of survival wouldn't seem to work, since if the hive survives at all, it would be the exact same traits as if the hive were thriving. Unless I'm missing something huge here, like drones coming from different colonies. I'm not sure if I know what I'm talking about or not.
>beekeepers here in the states really don't have a choice in the matter. They have to rely on medication and pesticide treatments to keep their bees alive.
I was always under the impression that this was largely due to overharvesting stresses like replacing honey with sugar syrup, forced uniformity in Langstroths, comb recycling, moving hives through multiple farms and of course, excessive use of insecticides like Glyphosate. My plan is to use a topbar in my home garden and removing entire comb, leaving 30%-40% for overwintering. I'll need to do a lot more research, but I think my plan is to use tobacco spray on the garden up until bud development; they should stay off the rest of the foliage for the most part, right? As important as it is to keep the bees alive, it doesn't do me a lot of good to have worms all up in my apples and spidermites in my raspberries.
>Look up the Purdue bee lab
Thanks for the recommendation. I didn't need to sleep tonight anyway.

>> No.12785762

>>12785743
only one of the drones gets to mate with the queen each mating period. if said drone hasn't been killed by varroa, then it's probably resistant to them and will pass on its resistant genes to its descendants.

>> No.12785784

>>12785762
Ah. Okay. There's usually only a half dozen of so drones, though, right? Doesn't seem like great odds.
Any thoughts on topbars, whole comb removal and overwintering on honey?

>> No.12785791

>>12780501
W-whats the name of this game?

>> No.12785800

>>12785791
I too need this info for apiary purposes

>> No.12786004

>>12785791
>>12785800
TiTs

>> No.12786055

>>12778601
because its the only food you cant take on a plane
and honey has no expiry date. you could eat a 3 year old honey and will still taste like you bought it yesterday.

>> No.12786293

>>12786004
Thanks fren, I'll never forget what you did for me

>> No.12786407 [DELETED] 

>>12778612
>the West
Are you for real or just fishing for (You)s ?

>> No.12786414

>>12778601
what do you mean? almost everything in America is made by the Chinese

>> No.12786424

>>12784641
If swoop down for some honey marinated larvae too

>> No.12786444

Can you eat the honeycomb itself or is that something you only see in old Looney toons?

>> No.12786456

>>12781861
I'd like to have an invulnerable bee follow me around as a companion

>> No.12786526

>>12778631
These are good sources of vitamin K, and are also very useful to stop bleeding in wounds.

>> No.12786545
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12786545

Holy fuck I love honey
>made mead this spring
>it turned out great
>use it in nearly all of my daily cooking
How hard is it to get into beekeeping if you live somewhat rurally, economic investment in the hive and actually moving a colony in, etc

>> No.12787044

>>12778631
>spider
>insect

>> No.12787062

>>12786444
You can, it's just wax. You can also chew small pieces for something like a natural, honey-flavored gum.

>> No.12787096

>>12786545
I started one last year. The hive itself including bottom board, 2 brood boxes and super with frames was @ $150. Then at a minimum you need a hive tool, smoker and at a minimum veil and gloves. Those run @ $50. The nuke containing a large population of bees and a queen cost @ $130.

>> No.12787162

>>12781861
I don't think that's a bee anon

>> No.12787385

>>12782615
The father is a raven.

>> No.12787509

>>12778617
Grasshopper vomit.

>> No.12787612

>>12787096
I do my beekeeping shirtless. The only time I've ever worn veil and gloves was when I accidentally left a box of centrifuged honeycombs outside overnight. When you buy a hive, ask around to see if you find someone who has peaceful bees.

>> No.12787693

>>12787612
My bees are usually peaceful but I still wear a long sleeve shirt, pants and the veil. Sometimes, particularly cloudy days, they get mean and will even sting through the shirt.

>> No.12787997

>>12785743

Actively breeding based off of survival does work. Queens mate with many drones (12+ for a good nuptial flight) from out side their colony and thus collect many different genetics from the breeding population. Some breeders can control genetics by artifically inseminating queens with a target drone. That requires some special equipment and lots of extra labor that I am not interested in.

Bee genetics/heredity is fucking nuts. I do not have a firm grasp on it but it is really interesting.

There is a very in-depth presentation done by Dean Stiglitz on bee genetics that I highly recommend. The title of the youtube video is [Dean Stiglitz - Honeybee Genetics and Breeding Bees - Philadelphia, 2/9/2014]

As far as the cause behind the hard-times hitting American beekeepers- It is all of those things. Varroa is only part of the problem. All of the other stressers you mentioned contribute to the problem as well.

>excessive use of insecticides
Funny that you mention that. I went to a beekeeper conference in northern Illinois a few years ago and two of the speakers were lobbyists from Monsanto (glyphosate/RoundUp herbicide) and Bayer (neonicotinoid insecticides). Their presentations were basically them saying that research shows no connection between colony-collapse-disorder and the use of their products. Whomp.

>> No.12788044

>>12785762
Generally, a successful mating session for a queen results in mating with over a dozen drones.

>> No.12788113

>>12779206
I thought that the bee queen has turned into cat lady and bear either is random or hunting the guy because there is no honey to take.

>> No.12788139

>>12779418
Alright everyone. Today we are going to talk about gang weed

>> No.12788146
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12788146

>>12787997
>monsanto claims their chemicals don't impact bees
Yeah, the same company which manufactured agent orange, roundup and claimed they didn't cause cancer claims they have no impact on bee populations. Surprise, surprise!

>> No.12788413

>>12778617
Formic acid

>> No.12788434
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12788434

Because bees are badasses

Honey is basically pure, distilled heroism

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>>12788434
For real, I'm downright proud every time I eat honey

>> No.12788472

>>12780422
God damnit I want a colony of these so badly but I can't import nonnative species to Oklahoma.

>> No.12788480

>>12778641
Not even close.

>> No.12788538

>>12779742
Is it true that honey literally can't go bad?

>> No.12788798

>>12778633
This but unironically

>> No.12788913 [DELETED] 

>>12788434
True. Honeybees do nothing but work, so they're like americants, heroes in their own minds suffering delusions of grandeur and producing sickeningly sweet pablum.

>> No.12789032

>>12778741
Imagine the smell

>> No.12789111

>>12788440
I remember this scene
>the swarm of bees begin buzzing as they heat themselves up and literally cook the wasp to death

>> No.12789118

>>12778601
Chinese girl pee.

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12789199

>>12779892
>$10/lb
I'm not sure how much honey goes for in supermarkets but I feel like that's relatively cheap. Why not set up an online store and start shipping out your bee vomit? Maybe attach a gimmick or something to catch hipsters' attention?

>> No.12789210

>>12778741
I have the urge to pop that like a balloon.

>> No.12789215

>>12779138
based & oglafpilled

>> No.12790178

>>12789199
Yeah you're right. It is cheap.

>> No.12790206

>>12780279
Susan.

>> No.12790613
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12790613

>>12787997
>them saying that research shows no connection between colony-collapse-disorder and the use of their products
>>12788146
>manufactured agent orange, roundup and claimed they didn't cause cancer
Don't forget the Atomic bomb, the styrofoam in the oceans and my personal favorite, telling mothers that heroine was completely safe and non-addictive, and that they should give it to their babies.

Yeah, I don't trust Bayer-Monsanto. Their entire business plan is making poison and telling people it's healthy for them.

>>12788538
No one knows for sure, but so far, the shelf life is known to be at least 5000 years.

>> No.12790843

>>12788113
>>12779206
it's a Blofeld reference, you fucking zoomers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSACOcLqW0c

>> No.12790844

>>12790613
Jesus christ you are a fucking retard.

>> No.12790854

>>12778741
These guys have it the worst in enemy ant raids. The invaders just saw off their abdomens and carry them away, leaving them to bleed to death.

>> No.12790909

>>12786545
How did you make it, friend?

>> No.12791215
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12791215

How easy would it be to profit from honey? Get one hive and dilute the honey with massive amounts of sugar syrup and a bit of food coloring, then sell it to city retards.