/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.12746624]

Why do vegans think replacing free-range farms with massive soy fields makes them morally superior to everyone else? How is animal genocide considered a good thing?

[Anonymous No.12746633]

Penisballs.

[Anonymous No.12746663]

>>12746624
Lack of education on the topic + misinfo spread by companies trying to make money off them.

[Anonymous No.12746717]

>>12746624
Maybe because plants would be dying instead of animals. That's my wild guess.

[Anonymous No.12746779]

Because it takes 19 times the amount of soy to produce one unit of meat, dumbass. Soy is healthier as well because of the "salmon effect" with the pesticides required. Open a fucking book or do a Google search before making a thread, retard.
>t. Nonvegan

[Anonymous No.12746800]

>>12746779
t. vegan soyboy cuck who is balding early and needs glasses and is also physically very weak

[Anonymous No.12746806]

>>12746624
lol you said soy and posted 2 soyjaks
all of my upvotes to this!

[Anonymous No.12746823]

>>12746779
Cows aren't high enough in the food chain for bioaccumulation (the "salmon effect") to have any meaningful impact on human health. Plus there's more than enough arable land, water, and sunlight to sustain everyone's meat consumption so the amount of land or energy it takes to produce meat is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.12746837]

>>12746779
>there is no nutrient in meat that is missing from a balanced vegetarian diet
Yes, there is.
>what is trace taurine + creatine
>what is heme-iron (plant-based iron is barely bioavailable to humans)
>what is B12 (the supplements are made from yeast and bacteria - are these not animals? can it be considered vegan? fungus is biologically closer to animals than plants)

[Anonymous No.12746846]

>>12746837
>yeast and bacteria are animals
I'm not a vegan but you're a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.12746918]

>>12746837
This post made my brain smaller

[Anonymous No.12746921]

>>12746624
Because both meat eaters and vegans alike don't realize the real problem is consumerism and capitalism. Replacing animal farms with huge mono-cultures won't change anything. The fact is that vegans don't have the answer either because they're still trying to dodge the fact the only solution to climate change is for us to cut down on consumption. Not vegan pizzas, not artificial meat, not giant soy fields, we have to stop consuming as much as we do. Most of the worlds pollution is caused by the top 100 companies.

[Anonymous No.12746927]

>>12746624
because they haven't learned about vertical farms yet

[Anonymous No.12746955]

>>12746846
why do you always use that picture?

[Anonymous No.12746961]

>>12746624
Can anyone ITT tell me what the discernible difference between a plant and a jellyfish is

[Anonymous No.12746964]

>>12746800
>be me
>vegan
>full head of hair
>perfect in terms of nutrition, blood tests to prove it
>bombshell vegan wife who loves me
>high testosterone
>huge penis
>perfect eye sight
>OHP 215
>eat whatevers in the fridge, no micromanagement
>no multivitamin
>sees this comment and knows how assblasted meatcucks are simply because they are assblasted
Feels food to be on the altruistic side mo8
Keep using memes to justify your pathetic existence and I'll continue being perfect because of veganism

[Anonymous No.12746965]

>>12746779
>unnecessary killing
It's one thing to say that farm raised and slaughtered animals is unnecessary killing in this day, but its a completely different statement to consider that killing any animal is unnecessary even if we eat them. I swear Vegans are drowning in their own hubris. A more ethical position to take would be to become largely a vegetarian who only eats meat when they raise, kill, and process it. That way you aren't risking the lives of people around you by being wholly malnourished and incapable of feeding not only the people around you but yourself due to your flimsy moral convictions if anything extreme were to happen.

[Anonymous No.12746969]

>>12746964
>huge penis
>perfect eye sight
>no micromanagement
>no multivitamin

Some of these have nothing to do with being vegan and some of these are pretty much impossible. I had a vegan friend who browsed /fit/ all the time and even he was assblasted and when he got drunk off vodka he admitted he was deficient in certain nutrients.

[Anonymous No.12746972]

>>12746717
Yeah but if we literally kill all of the cows to make space for the soy, and then their cow children are never born, is there really any difference? We are still murdering a fucking shitload of cows

[Anonymous No.12746973]

>>12746624
What animal genocide are you even referring to? Oh right this is a strawman retard thread designed for losers with no identity to circle jerk about the fattest pieces of meat they can fit into their mouths

[Anonymous No.12746986]

>>12746846
Where do vegans draw the line? They won't eat honey even though honeybees are domesticated and can't survive without people, but they'll eat yeasts which are very much alive and, biologically, more animal than plant?

It's all arbitrary is my point. Just eat meat.

[Anonymous No.12746989]

>>12746921
>cutting down on emissions, pollution, overhunting, land use, and water use has no effect on climate
Wanna know how I know that you’re a shilling moton?

[Anonymous No.12746993]

>>12746969

[Anonymous No.12746995]

>>12746986
Yeast is not a sentient creature. It is completely incapable of even having the capacity of experiencing reality.

[Anonymous No.12747014]

>>12746823
Prove it

[Anonymous No.12747015]

>>12746965
>drowned in their own hubris

>defends meat eating with some unbelievablely arbitrary unquestionable standard to make yourself feel better
Lol what a load of pretentious self-congratulatory bullshit

You tell me about this great malnourishment threat vs the rampant heart disease globally

[Anonymous No.12747020]

>>12746989
>tCO2e/day
>3.3
>1.5
What do these numbers signify? Also, that’s only really double, but you seem to think it’s an insane impact. I think your brain just decided
>RED LINE BAD
>SMALL GREEN LINE GOOD
and that’s really all that went through your NPC brain

[Anonymous No.12747042]

>>12746989
Warming directly causes CO2 to rise on Earth, not the other way around. There is a minimal positive feedback loop in CO2 nudging temperatures but the relationship is almost wholesale misunderstood and misrepresented by "lag" since CO2 as a greenhouse gas is an extremely inaccurate way of understanding the relationship between CO2 and long term temperature raising. There are points in our history where the CO2 was much higher and the temperature was much colder - but in every case, a rise in global average temperature will be followed by an acceleration of atmospheric CO2 levels. So if CO2 emissions are the only thing these groups are condemning cows for, then cows cannot be responsible for temperature shifts and therefore global climate change.

[Anonymous No.12747046]

>>12747020
Not understanding science is pretty NPC of you anon
>EIO-LCA in the source, easily found with a askjeeves search

[Anonymous No.12747050]

>>12747015
I highly doubt that people who only occasionally eat animal products based on seasonal availability or overpopulation have specific differences in heart disease rates compared to any other diet - including vegans - and I'd love to see you back up that claim.

[Anonymous No.12747052]

>>12747046
For average people, meat consumption is only half of a vegans daily diet. For non-beef eaters the amount of emissions for animal products are hardly any different than a vegan. Plus this gay fucking chart doesn’t even include fish consumption, or pescatarians.

I think you’re dumb, your sources are bad, and your shits all retarded. As they say: Welcome to Walmart, I love you.

[Anonymous No.12747053]

>>12747020
>numbers bad because i too stupid to read for more than 5 seconds

[Anonymous No.12747054]

>>12747015
>heart disease
I don't think animal products themselves cause heart disease in a balanced diet. There are also other factors like obesity and too much refined sugar that definitely cause heart disease, so to blame it on animal products is missing a lot of factors. Vegetable shortening with trans fat also killed thousands of people because it directly did cause heart disease. Too much meat and fat isn't good for you, but a balanced diet with plenty of whole grains, vegetables, fruit, and then some meat and cheese might be okay.

[Anonymous No.12747057]

>>12746624
The vast majority of soy is used as animal feed you braindead carnist.

[Anonymous No.12747062]

>>12747042
Co2 causes warming to rise

>There are points in our history where the CO2 was much higher and the temperature was much colder
Yes and there fewer amounts of methane water vapors and nitrous oxide circulating and or a milankovitch cycle or other form of a solar cycle to explain such things, there is no such thing to explain the current trends

[Anonymous No.12747063]

>>12747046
>>12747053
I think it’s funny I looked up the source and unironically cant find it

[Anonymous No.12747066]

>>12747052
>your shits all retarded
>adhom
>no argument
Low IQ

[Anonymous No.12747067]

>>12747050
>highly doubt that people who only occasionally eat animal products based on seasonal availability or overpopulation
Lol what an absolutely retarded shift. So again, where is this global malnourishment epidemic caused by veganism you speak of? We know for a fact that animal products contribute to heart disease, how do vegetables contribute to malnourishment?

[Anonymous No.12747073]

>>12747066
I literally compared the numbers. Let me make it easy since apparently you can’t read something from a post and figure out the math implied.

NO BEEF = 1.9
VEGAN = 1.5
1.9 - 1.5 = 0.4

0.4 NOT BIG NUMBER
OOG BOOGA

ALSO THE FUCKING “SOURCE” DOESNT CHECK OUT YOU FILTHY CHIMP

[Anonymous No.12747074]

>>12747054
>don't think animal products themselves cause heart disease in a balanced diet
So do they or do they not? You’re either arguing they do and only in spite of not eating them would someone not get heart disease or they don’t. You’re completely dodging the question

[Anonymous No.12747078]

>>12747067
>We know for a fact that animal products contribute to heart disease, how do vegetables contribute to malnourishment?
Refined sugar can be vegan and causes a lot of problems if overconsumed, which is very easy to do.

[Anonymous No.12747087]

>>12747063
More to do with your intelligence than anything since you couldn’t even be bothered to read the text below the graph describing the variables.

>>12747052
It clearly includes fish in there you blind retard. You’re obviously too fucking stupid to find the source on your own because of your single digit IQ

[Anonymous No.12747098]

>>12746837
autism for 800 alex

[Anonymous No.12747099]

>>12747067
What the fuck is this bullshit? You're the one who randomly started up with malnourishment bullshit and then accuse me of shifting? Fuck your dishonesty or irony or whatever the fuck you're trying to do. You're either insane or trolling.

[Anonymous No.12747102]

>>12747078
Okay, so prove this is an epidemic of equal to or greater concern than animal products

[Anonymous No.12747104]

>>12747087
It explains only the kcals which has nothing to do with the amount of CO2 emissions, CO2 isn’t measured in calories you retard. Literally how are you this retarded. Post the fucking link yourself because I’d love to see it, it literally does not exist.

[Anonymous No.12747109]

>>12747099
Damn you’re fucking dumb. You were literally the first one to talk about malnourishment here >>12746965
then made up some ridiculous arbitrary bullshit you couldnt even back up

[Anonymous No.12747121]

>>12747074
Do you think that plants won't cause any problems if overconsumed in an unbalanced diet? It's the same thing with animal products. If you eat nothing but grains you'll also develop health problems. I'm not dodging anything, you just seem to think it's all or nothing without realizing there are other factors like general diet and how much is being consumed.

>>12747102
95g of sugar a day is still a shitload and will cause a bunch of problems other than obesity. It's only down 15g from the peak which isn't enough either. We were talking about heart disease anyway. But you probably won't listen to any reasonable arguments because you're going to be insistent on pushing "animal products are 100% bad all the time".

[Anonymous No.12747126]

>>12746779
if only humans were born without the sense of taste...

[Anonymous No.12747129]

>>12747104
Theyre measuring the C02 emissions from the average calories people consume you retard. What exactly does your dumb ass have to complain about that other than youre still too fucking retarded to understand it?

[Anonymous No.12747134]

EVERYONE

I will say this once. This board is the vegan board. There are probably a hundred of them here daily and there are three or four of them here right now. You're not being responded to by simply one person.

Vegans will rule the world shortly and you need to educate yourself prior.

[Anonymous No.12747135]

>>12747121
You’re literally completely dodging yet again. You apparently think there’s some massive malnourishment vegetable epidemic that you can’t even substantiate. You literally aren’t even answering the question so I already know you have no reason to offer other than deflecting

[Anonymous No.12747142]

>>12747129
That graph looks a lot better, but doesn’t even have a source to look, and to find out doesn’t actually exist.

Try again faggot. You’re literally posting fake “statistics” because you pea brain vegans don’t have enough time to consider your favorite blogger is making shit up. Maybe if you ate a god damn burger like a true free man your brain would have the kcals to realize how stupid you’ve been for being brainwashed into this garbage.

[Anonymous No.12747141]

>>12746964
>be me
>eat a steak 5 times a week
>jacked as fuck
>IQ of 180
>eat a shit ton of meat because i can
>get to enjoy eating instead of something i must consume solely for energy
im gay btw, but my penis is a full 5 inches aka huge

[Anonymous No.12747147]

>>12747126
Go eat a raw, uncooked raccoon carcass with zero preparations and tell me how good it tastes.

[Anonymous No.12747156]

>>12747147
we don't farm raccoon though. great argument reddit soy faggot. fuck you fucking faggot what a stupid fucking comment. kill yourself. im so fucking pissed off now after reading a comment from someone this fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.12747165]

>>12747142
>its fake because im too retarded to find it

Sure thing, fatso

[Anonymous No.12747184]

>>12747135
>You apparently think there’s some massive malnourishment vegetable epidemic
I'm not the person who said that, man.

[Anonymous No.12747191]

>>12747062
CO2 *can* cause warming to rise. There is absolutely no way to account for it's specific contribution to the rate of warming because we cannot decouple that data from the entire body of data we have. And claiming that 'x' would have made the difference in those time periods is completely disingenuous because - again - no one has been able to decouple that data. Simply because we haven't discovered the specific criteria for warming and cooling rates doesn't mean it immediately falls to CO2, and this is why myself and my colleagues are upset with panelists for suggesting that they can. Evidently, the person who claims they know something they can't know is more attractive for grant money than the honest person who says we don't have a rich enough understanding to make that statement yet. Who knew.

[Anonymous No.12747194]

>>12747147
a lot of plants taste bad without being cooked first too. the only thing you can really consistently eat raw is fruit, but that doesn't mean we're frugivores.

[Anonymous No.12747199]

>>12747156
Have you had meat that isn't seasoned lately? You didn't understand the argument, you simply took it as face value. I'm assuming you're a fucking retard at this point because you raged this hard.
I can't wait until veganism is the norm and we look at you faggots like the georgian swampdweller hillbilly toothless retard equivalent that you are. Fucking hick.
Here's what's going up happen. You're going to read this, downvote me in your head, read your comment again, scratch where your hair used to be, figure that I'm an idiot because you again don't see the true argument, hit reply, and rage out again.
Kill yourself prior to the last step please.

[Anonymous No.12747204]

>>12747165
You're both fucking stupid. Don't post unsourced graphs, dumbass. The other guy is a luddite who can't read graphs, though, so I guess you're coming out ahead.
Fucking why does lamb have to be so tasty yet resource intensive? It's my favorite meat and I'd struggle if I had to give it up.

[Anonymous No.12747211]

>>12747109
You fucking idiot, I was talking about people trying to survive in cases of severe emergencies, food shortages, or any other reason why you wouldn't be around processed foods without any hunting skills. God fucking damnit I fucking hate vegans and how ravenously stupid they are.

[Anonymous No.12747216]

>>12747199
>Have you had meat that isn't seasoned lately?
I've had high quality beef that literally smelled sweet and appetizing when raw. I don't know if you consider lab-grown meat vegan, but more people will probably end up eating that instead of completely giving up all animal products forever, because like it or not we've evolved to benefit from them being in our diet.

[Anonymous No.12747222]

>>12747165
You’re the one posting sources without links you absolute retard

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figures?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0165797

Here’s an actual source with actual numbers, they’re nothing close to any of yours. Don’t be a nigger next time, and actually get credible data, you fucking moron. It’s called “peer reviewed”.

Say it with me now, “peer reviewed”. Idiot.

[Anonymous No.12747225]

>>12747199
i called you a redditor first faggot come up with something original to call me in your attempt at a retort. being a vegan is the same thing as committing suicide very slowly. you're as frail as a fucking 90 year old woman i bet larping faggot

[Anonymous No.12747226]

>>12747216
>smelled sweet and appetizing
Store bought meat is seasoned
Meat doesn't smell sweet

[Anonymous No.12747232]

>>12747204
His graphs were shit you absolute nigger, the second one was a good graph but had no source so there’s no god damn point in reading a sourceless waste of brain space.

[Anonymous No.12747236]

>>12747225
>I CALLED YOU REDDIT
>COME UP WITH SOMETHING ORIGINAL
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.12747237]

>>12747226
>store bought meat is seasoned
oh so you actually ARE a moron... my apologies for berating your dumb ass

[Anonymous No.12747240]

>>12747184
So you’re just retardedly intervening on his behalf and guffawing when someone is unaware of this. Even dumber

>cannot decouple that data from the entire body of data we have.
What is that even supposed to mean? And yes it DOES raise warming

>And claiming that 'x' would have made the difference in those time periods is completely disingenuous because - again - no one has been able to decouple that data
Disingenuous meaningless unverified claim

>Evidently, the person who claims they know something they can't know is more attractive for grant money than the honest person who says we don't have a rich enough understanding to make that statement yet. Who knew.
Someone sounds salty their chiropractor job is fizzling out

[Anonymous No.12747245]

>>12747204
Theyre not unsourced. You’re too fucking stupid to read which is why you didn’t read the text explaining the values of the graph, thought fish wasn’t included and are now crying that you have no argument and that everything is fake

[Anonymous No.12747248]

>>12747225
Guys, everyone, take a second at from arguing and READ THIS.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAh

[Anonymous No.12747251]

>>12747226
I'm not sure if it was the glycogen, but it wasn't seasoned with anything, it was just plain beef. You can keep denying it if you want though, but it's like willfully being delusional and that's not going to solve anything.

[Anonymous No.12747254]

veganism doesnt automatically mean soy you fucking faggot, plants are a thing you know?

[Anonymous No.12747255]

>>12747248
>seething this hard
careful vegan, you're going to need to eat another 3 lbs of food to replenish those calories

[Anonymous No.12747256]

>>12747232
Validity concerns aside, you're still fucking stupid because you couldn't even understand the units. The graph is perfectly clear; whether we can trust the underlying data or not. Are you intentionally being dumb?

[Anonymous No.12747265]

>>12747226
pic related is what faggots like you assume meat eating people consume because you're too stupid to comprehend preparing it yourself

[Anonymous No.12747267]

>>12747245
Your last graph lacks a source, and that's ALL I had to say to you. Clearly I was wrong to assume you were any smarter than that other dumb bitch.

[Anonymous No.12747268]

>>12747255
>vegetable oil, 3lbs
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
YOU'RE A WALKING MEME BRO. I'M SCREENCAPPING
NOBODY IS THIS STUPID, YOU'RE LARPING RIGHT?!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>12747225
DUDE AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'M DYING

[Anonymous No.12747279]

Pseudo-science this, Monsanto™ financed studies that, you vegans seem to be missing the point. Living in symbiosis with animals by gifting them a life worth living before eventually feeding on them is a superior moral philosophy than moral veganism. Whether one is healthier or more sustainable than the other doesn't matter. Obviously we have a long way to go before all livestock has a good life but if you buy organic, grass-fed meat from free-range animals you can eat meat without remorse.

[Anonymous No.12747281]

>>12747222
You’re the only one too fucking stupid to read a single fucking thing which is why you’re astounded that a completely different study focusing on something entirely different has different results. So you need to pray everything is fake to save your single digit IQ reality from being hampered on. You can’t even explain what your own study is saying

[Anonymous No.12747295]

>>12747279
>something doesn't want to die
>something that experiences the same reality that you do
>has the same emotions you feel
>kill it the moment it's done with puberty
>moral
Wtf I'm vegan now

[Anonymous No.12747313]

>>12747267
How is it that I can find this but your septic ass can’t? Oh that’s right. You’re the retarded fat fuck that can’t read text below a graph or the actual data points. You’re selectively a septic when it goes against your fat fuck decreasingly single digit IQ reality
http://static.ewg.org/reports/2011/meateaters/pdf/methodology_ewg_meat_eaters_guide_to_health_and_climate_2011.pdf

You have no interest in fact. Just coping with a complete lack of identity other than being a morbid fat fuck

[Anonymous No.12747315]

This thread has attracted all the faggotry for a five board radius.

[Anonymous No.12747316]

>>12747295
>something doesn't live at all
>something experiences nothing
>has no emotions to feel
>doesn't get born at all
>moral
You sound like those pro-abortion screeching feminist nutcases, very similar rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.12747317]

>>12747281
>ends sentence with a period
>continues a sentence with "so"
>calls person he's arguing with single digit IQ
The irony.
I'm not the person you were replying to mind you.

[Anonymous No.12747318]

>>12747279
Wow killing better than not killing because they might eat grass for a few months. Totally convinced me!

[Anonymous No.12747323]

>>12747317
Nah, you’re just a stupid little bitch nitpicking minor 4chan grammar because you’re a fat loser.

[Anonymous No.12747329]

>>12747316

[Anonymous No.12747338]

>>12747318
Start here
https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en
Pick an argument
Get a nonfallacy answer
>>12747323
Statistically you're faster than I, fatass.
(and lower IQ)

[Anonymous No.12747343]

>>12747329
Good response anon. I bet you spam wojacks in real life when someone confronts your ideologic views.

[Anonymous No.12747344]

>>12747313
Cry harder. I'm about 120 and thus underweight. Guess what bitch, the onus is on YOU to post sources. It's called the burden of proof, dipshit.
You're so stupid and these threads are stupid. Wanna improve the world? Don't become vegan, just kys.
In case your stupid shit brain can't get it, ONLY THIS GRAPH IS UNSOURCED YOU STUPID SHIT FUCK DIE ALREADY
>>12747129
great, you found a fucking source for it? Edit it in then you lazy, bad-faith shitter.

[Anonymous No.12747345]

>>12747338
>Statistically you're faster than I, fatass
Interesting non-sequitir, smarty

Start having sex

[Anonymous No.12747350]

>>12747343
Yeah perfect response to suggesting killing a living being is moral on the basis it was created and something about abortion.

[Anonymous No.12747352]

>grass fed beef only
so only a tenth of the current consumer base would be able to eat meat?

[Anonymous No.12747362]

Ditch the flesh

[Anonymous No.12747363]

>>12747344
>HA IM ACTUALLY UNDERWEIGHT
Sincerely pitiful, anon. Sincerely. What exactly are you whining about now that you have the source? That it again doesn’t conform with your perceived reality?

>THIS GRAPH IS UNSOURCED YOU STUPID SHIT FUCK DIE ALREADY
>>12747129 (You) #
great, you found a fucking source for it?
What the fuck is this autism?

>Edit it in then you lazy, bad-faith shitter.
Maybe you should be less retarded, meatstick. You literally called it fake in bad faith with no proof, its not my job to teach a stick retard like you how to read “fish” Burden of proof is a phony concept btw for pseuds

[Anonymous No.12747397]

>>12747363
I'll stop calling you stupid for the sake of discussion, but the best you could come up with is "ur fat," which is very untrue.
Tell me where i called it fake, dum-. You're missing the point here, entirely. I don't question your data at all, since it seems reasonable. Just don't post unsourced graphs; it's just bad practice. Did you forget your supplements today or something? Do I need to keep repeating myself?

[Anonymous No.12747416]

>>12747350
You're rejecting those animals existance by being vegan just like a mother rejects her unborn baby's existance. Now go and delete your dumb wojak folder, you mental midget.

[Anonymous No.12747499]

>>12747397
I literally disproved your entire argument. You could only call it fake which was disproved. Eat shit, stickly

>>12747142

[Anonymous No.12747501]

>>12747416
Killing animals has nothing to do with unborn children which i do not support the abortion of. Abort yourself, retard

[Anonymous No.12747550]

>>12747499
Oh I see. Yeah that last guy isn't me, and I'm pretty sure it's the dude who couldn't even understand the units on that first graph. To make it clear for your malnourished ass, I only have a problem with that one, unsourced graph because it's bad form.
These are my posts. I get that my response was disproportionate here, but /ck/'s been really disappointing me lately.
>>12747397
>>12747344
>>12747267
>>12747204

[Anonymous No.12747591]

>>12747345
>wojack
>have sex
>>>/pol/
>>12747550
>malnourished
Nonvegans have more vitamin deficiencies on average than vegans. Google it.

[Anonymous No.12748358]

>>12746972
What world do you live on that you think we have to murder cows to make space for soy fields

Also there's no human obligation to a generation of cows that literally doesn't exist. It's not unethical to let the population decline as a result of falling meat/dairy demand.

[Anonymous No.12748984]

>>12746965
Maybe with veganism you’d be malnourished, but I can’t imagine an ovo lacto vegetarian would be necessarily unhealthy.>>12746986
Cows and other animals are not given a good life as it is not profitable to do so.
>12747338
The real moral line is whether the creature can suffer. And no, a plant being able to have chemical reactions to being cut does not constitute suffering. Suffering is, however, an unfortunately very easy ability to evolve, and one humans probably haven’t changed all that much, Id imagine most mammals suffer as much as a human when in pain. From this perspective I really wouldn’t necessarily have a problem with killing say, a sponge, though I don’t know much about sponges, despite them being in the animal kingdom.