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12743226 No.12743226 [Reply] [Original]

Do people really think "washing" their hands with just water does anything? I've seen this on several YT videos, and even TV shows. People are handling chicken and then say "I'll wash my hands" and just turn on the tap and use no soap whatsoever.

>> No.12743232

>>12743226
it's better than nothing
difference between actually making everything sticky with chicken goop vs microbes rubbing off on microspic scale

>> No.12743247

I worked for a McDonald's briefly at an airport. The process of washing your hands was more complicated than my job and it was treated very seriously

>> No.12743257

>>12743226
The point of soap is to break up the surface layer of oils on your skin. If you've already washed your hands 5 minutes ago, more soap won't help and will just dry out your skin. Agitation is what actually wanted your hands.

>> No.12743275

>>12743257
Soap has a high pH that kills bacteria.

>> No.12743323

>>12743257
>The point of soap is to break up the surface layer of oils on your skin.
not the only one, it also kills bacteria.

>> No.12743332

>>12743275
>>12743323
Oh. Well I guess Ill use it more often. Thought it was just for bubbles + fragrance

>> No.12743369

>>12743323
>>12743332
https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/The_handiwork_of_good_health

>Soap and water don't kill germs; they work by mechanically removing them from your hands.

>> No.12743385

>>12743226
Washing your hands with hot water, and rubbing does do something.

>> No.12743386

>>12743369
good to know, however, dead or alive the point is that soap removes them from our hands, and that's what matters.

>> No.12743399

>>12743369
This retards, soap is meant to literally drag the germs with it when you wash it off

>> No.12743407

>>12743275
Nah, soap is a mild detergent that breaks up lipids that won't be easily removed by water alone
It's not a strong enough detergent to kill off bacteria and not basic enough to kill bacteria (and by extension, not enough to damage your hands)

>> No.12743415
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tfw when Americans think tap water is effective against bacteria.

no wonder they rinse all their meats as well.

what a disgraceful place

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>>12743415
the chlorine in tap water kills the bacteria attached to plant roots severely limiting their growth

>> No.12743461

>foreigners think they know about cleanliness
Cleanliness, and good hygiene is an American obsession that had been exported to you dirty fucks.

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>>12743461
cope harder

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>>12743480
>cope
It's an actual fact, and to this day your country still statistically shower, and bathe less on average than an American.
All memes aside hygiene isn't your strong point, and the average Americans are technically cleaner than your hijab wearing medical service providers, but that's another sore issue that you'd rather forget about. Also your markets, and professional kitchens wouldn't pass an American health inspection, because of how naturally filthy you people are.

>> No.12743530

>>12743461
/Thread

>> No.12743544

>>12743506
No wonder your immune systems are shot to hell. Good luck surviving the next pandemic, loser.

>> No.12743550

>>12743226
>People are handling chicken and then say "I'll wash my hands" and just turn on the tap and use no soap whatsoever.
They're mostly doing that just to save time during filming. The chicken is being cooked and they're probably not serving anyone else so it's not a big deal, but I have wondered if it's teaching some people bad hygiene habits by making them think it's okay to do.

>>12743257
Chicken can have fat on it that melts a little when touched. Either way, you're better off with slightly drier hands than potentially getting salmonella poisoning. I won't use soap if I'm just rinsing my hands after touching vegetables, but you should always use soap 100% of the time after touching raw meat, even if you just washed your hands right before touching it.

>> No.12743554

>>12743415
>He actually thinks this
Are you fucking retarded or

>> No.12743558

>>12743544
Getting diarrhea from someone not washing their hands won't help you when the flu spreads, retard. Unless you're inoculated with the exact same bacteria that's making people sick it's not going to matter.

>> No.12743567

>>12743506
So much cope and deflection over the fact that most mutts think water is enough to clean. No wonder you're being replaced.

Even people in the middle ages understood that they at least needed sunlight to kill bacteria.

I didn't even say Americans were, as a people, dirty. The issue was hand washing. But maybe you're right. Maybe Americans are super clean, so much so half you're kids are allergic even to themselves.

>> No.12743582

My dad doesn't wash his hands after handling raw meat. I also had sex with my nephew's 17 y/o girlfriend a few weeks ago.

>> No.12743596

>>12743275
>soap kills germs
Yeah exposure to 15 seconds of high pH solutions kills the bacteria you've been exposed to.

Soap does nothing except wash the shit off your hands. It's a water softening agent designed to remove oily shit off your hands. Unless you wash your hands in boiling water you're not killing any bacteria.

>inb4 I learned in SCIENCE
High or low pH inhibits bacterial growth. It doesn't magically kill bacteria already found in an area.

>> No.12744878

>>12743544
>Americans are too clean, because I'm a filthy pig
>>12743567
>so much cope
It really loses its meaning when some third worlder says it.
>No wonder you're being replaced.
Even if this was true you'd just be bumped down a notch.

>> No.12744933

>>12743275
This is false, the PH of soap hovers around 8. It is on the lower end for bases, and you don't kill bacteria because of mild PH.

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>>12743461
>>12743506

Based and redpilled.

>> No.12745038

>>12743226
The point is not to get rid of all the bacteria on your hands but to clean the gunk off so it doesn't get all over everything you touch. If you are cooking a dish then it doesn't matter if you get some pathogens in it because they are going to be cooked anyways. Unless you are going from handling raw meat to something that will not be cooked then a simple rinse is all that is required.

>> No.12745057

>>12743226
I use dish soap, is that okay

>> No.12745186

>>12744933
Yeah and if it's high enough to kill bacteria, it's probably high enough to burn a hole through your hand.

Also antibacterial soaps have triclosan or some other anti-bacterial agent. It doesn't kill bacteria by being high in pH.

>> No.12745284

>>12743226
Washing hands is BASED. I love it so much. mmm I'm going to wash my hands again right now.

>> No.12745501

>>12743226
Ever since I was about 5 or 6 and my cousin told me that 'germs are everywhere' and 'kisses last forever' I've always been an anal person about washing hands.
In highschool, if I had friends over to play SSBM or whatever and they went to the bathroom and I noticed they didn't wash their hands I'd tell them to go use soap and water. fuck that. I was the Stan Marsh of my friends about this shit.

>> No.12745605

>>12743226
yeah, i do that. what are you gonna do about it faggot?

>> No.12745629

>>12743226
from my understanding using water that's hot enough is more important to killing bacteria than using soap. turn your water as hot as you can stand when washing. soaps tend to work mechanically for removing germs, as in they trap germs and you rinse them off when you rinse off the soap. either way it's not entirely useless to just use water but you have to use hot water or else you're just giving bacteria a vector to travel around in by sloshing water all over the place.

>> No.12745636

>>12743226
Yeah, I haven't used soap to wash my hands for half a decade and only time I get sick is when a fat Mexican kid coughs on me

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>> No.12745928

>>12745024
using soap is a good idea.

>> No.12745937

>>12745057
It's harsher on your skin but it does the same thing

>> No.12745965

>>12743232
>it's better than nothing
Not necessarily true, actually.
I'm an RN and used to teach hygiene to other hospital staff.
The problem with a lazy handwash, and with gloves too incidentally, is not only that your hands are still dirty but also that you think they are not.
I've seen so many nurses and doctors breach basic hygiene standers, which they had learned and normally kept to, because things like this gave them a false sense of security.
People are more likely to worry about contamination and therefore adhere to good standards with bare hands that when wearing gloves for example. In much the same way you can expect people to get more sloppy about cross contamination in a kitchen if they have the idea that even a lazy handwash is "better than nothing"
It's the same principle that makes bicyclists take more risks in traffic if they're wearing a helmet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_compensation

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>>12743369
>>Soap and water don't kill germs; they work by mechanically removing them from your hands.
Is antibacterial hand soap a scam?

>> No.12747789

>>12746808
The more it's used, the more bacteria become resistant.

>> No.12747797

>>12745629
If you make the water hot enough to kill bacteria your skin is going to slough off.

>> No.12747892

>>12743554
We live rent free in his head. Let his no name nation seethe

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>> No.12747984

>>12743582
Story timeeee

>> No.12748035

>>12745629
You should look up at what temperatures viruses and bacteria that cause foodborne illness actually die, and for how long they need to be subjected to those temperatures.

Trust me, you do not want your hands anywhere near water that hot for that amount of time.

>> No.12749730

I've never seen either of my parents wash their hands with soap. Not even just when cooking, literally never. My dad also thinks that a layer of paper towels stops any chicken juices from getting on the chopping board he then uses for salads so...

>> No.12749735

>>12743226
Is it okay if I take I douse my hands in 80 % solution rubbing alcohol then rub that around and rinse it off after taking a shit? Genuinely curious.

>> No.12749743

>>12749735
Not really. Most bacteria creates a film to protect them from substances like sanitisers. That film is broken by soap, which allows sanitisers to be more effective.

>> No.12749752

>>12749743
You're telling me high percentage isopropyl will not cause bacteria to melt like in Osmosis Jones?

>> No.12749757

Enjoy your hepatitis A

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>>12749730
>My dad also thinks that a layer of paper towels stops any chicken juices from getting on the chopping board he then uses for salads so...
what the fuck lol that is genuinely very dangerous

>> No.12749777

>>12749770
You don't understand. There are paper towels down, no bacteria can get through. They are impenetrable.

>> No.12749780

>>12749770
Well, explain how bacteria penetrate through 2 ply paper?

>> No.12749786

Wash hands with water soluble liquid soap, don't use fat based bar soaps. Fat based bar soaps clog plumbing. They create 'fat-bergs.'

>> No.12749795

>>12745501
its one thing when its raw chicken but just playing the console or whatever thats too much, you need *some* exposure to germs to have a healthy immune system anyways

i wasnt ever a germaphobe person but for me personally I stopped caring even less after I went into the army (not usa) for a couple of years. We would do things like not shower for a week (being in the jungle with no excess water supply); squatting down in our helmets+ army fatigues and just having a shit together into a muddy hole dug into the ground, and being so tired after training when my MRE food dropped in the mud I just picked it up and ate it because I was too hungry and tired to care

>> No.12749802

>>12749786
All soaps are made from fats retard

>> No.12749808

>>12749780
Bacteria teeny tiny
Paper towel hole big

>> No.12749810

>>12749780
raw chicken has enough juice to seep through paper towel easily

>> No.12749840

>>12749786
I'd rather give plumbers jobs than coat my skin with endocrine disruptors and xenoestrogens

>> No.12749844

>>12743226
Mechanical movement will remove more than soap

>> No.12749988

>>12743582
Did you really. Post pics.

>> No.12750303

>>12743226
>>12743369
>>12749844

Microbiologist working in biofilm removal and it's literally this; didn't read the link by the way.

Reversibly attached microbes (such as the ones you get on your hands from touching shit) are removed by even the slightest shear force. Just putting your hands under tap water for a couple of seconds with dillute the microbes on your hands to negligible levels. Rubbing your hands together under water is more than enough. Just to be clear, we're talking about microbes here, fat is another thing. And no, hand soap won't do shit to your hand microbiota.

>> No.12750374

>>12750303
This is the correct answer.

I really quickly wash my hands with water when I'm cooking, adding a little bit of soap doesn't really make a difference unless you're being real anal and strictly washing for 1 minutes and washing everywhere including underneath your fingernails.

There will always be germs on your hands, if you're a healthy adult it doesn't even matter your immune system will destroy any bacteria just don't eat raw chicken every day and you'll be okay.

>> No.12750390

>>12750303
>Just putting your hands under tap water for a couple of seconds with dillute the microbes on your hands to negligible levels. Rubbing your hands together under water is more than enough.
I'll continue to use soap as well, thank you very much!

>> No.12750397

>>12750374
Please don't ever invite me over for a dinner party you greasy motherfucker

>> No.12751592

>>12750397
You're not welcome anywhere near my house or family, freak.

>> No.12751624

>>12750374
>This is the correct answer.
wrong

>> No.12751644

>>12745965
No one cares about your AKTUAL SCIENSE, nurse bitch. A rinse is better than nothing.

>> No.12752879

>>12747789
How so? The bacteria that were exposed to it were all dead.

>> No.12753873

>>12752879
Nothing you have access to will kill 100% of bacteria. Survivors then have free reign to breed without competing against fellow bacteria with less resistance.

>> No.12753886

>>12752879
Yes, and the ones who survived are the ones who then multiple.

>> No.12753893

>>12753873
>>12753886
But those "survivors" are gonna end up in the sink, and then goes to sewer, which I will never encounter again.

>> No.12753897

>>12743275
no, anti-bacterial soap kills bacteria, and it is now illegal.

>> No.12753923

my dad washes his hands with cold water and no soap. my brother washes his hands by lathering his hands with soap, briefly rinsing, and wiping the suds off with a towel. both of them have gotten food poisoning

>> No.12753935

>>12753893
Yeah, until they breed and take over the world in X years

>> No.12754077

>>12749730
welcome to salmonella city.
does he reuse the knives as well?

>> No.12754188

>>12754077
Nope, that would be dangerous.

>> No.12754195

>>12747948
i cant do that every time i pee, i got dry hands

>> No.12754198

>>12754195
i wash my hands before peeing, and never after

>> No.12754345

>>12753923
This. The correct answer is just don't eat food.

>> No.12754364

>>12754195
You can, and very much have to if you work in the restaurant business, in any place that has decent hygiene standards at least.

>> No.12754368

>>12743226
Soap is for germs, water is for dirt.

>> No.12754377

>tfw I never wash my hands
>tfw I will run the water after taking a shit for anyone that would be near the door making them think I washed
I fucking hate having wet hands and most places have air driers that don't work or paper thin brown paper that falls apart upon touching the water on my hands

>> No.12754401

>>12754377
>paper thin paper
Who could have guessed?
On a side note, you could just take multiple pieces and stack them or fold them.

>> No.12754402

>>12754401
Or I can just not wash my hands and go on with my day

>> No.12754403

>>12743226
Ever considered that the water may have disinfectant in it?

>> No.12754406

>>12754403
Very low amount, maybe. It's meant to be potable water after all.

>> No.12754497

>>12743226
Apparently considering how many degenerate sick fucks I see do it on a daily basis.

You are not human if you "wash" your hands with water after using the bathroom. You are deserving of immediate decapitation if you straight up don't wash your hands at all.

>> No.12754587

>>12754497
the average keyboard has far more germs than the average cock

>> No.12754916

>>12743226
I've never gotten sick handling food so who's winning? lmaoing at ur babby immune system

>> No.12755532

>>12743226
The acts of washing your hands is what gets them clean, soap picks up the germs and removes them. Can tell none of your days have worked at a hospital, that's literally 101 shit right there.

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>>12754587
>all germs are the same

>> No.12755656

Not washing your hands with soap can literally kill people with immune system problems or allergies.

>> No.12755824

>>12743226
Most men I see in public bathrooms wash their hands with soap but my wife tells me most women just trickle water for a couple seconds which is nasty given the cunny is filthy with molds and bacterias. Womyn project an image of cleanliness but in reality are as filthy as beasts.

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Okay putting all this water and soap stuff aside, here's my question.

How come whenever I see a cooking video, the guy will handle raw meat or whatever, grab his towel to wipe his hands, then go on and grab his bottle of oil/seasoning/whatever. Not just random youtubers either, I see people like Gordon Ramsay do it. This always seemed really stupid to me. Even if bacteria wasn't a concern, you're still getting meat grease/oil all over these things. Pans and utensils are fine because you can just wash them, but stuff like oil/seasoning bottles getting all greasy and nasty just seems like a pain in the ass.

>> No.12756405

>>12756374
>How come whenever I see a cooking video, the guy will handle raw meat or whatever, grab his towel to wipe his hands, then go on and grab his bottle of oil/seasoning/whatever.
Hopefully, time constraint.

>> No.12756423

>>12756405
I feel like that's something Gordon Ramsay wouldn't do even in a youtube video simply out of his own cooking habits and autism.

>> No.12756454

>>12756374
If everything they handle is getting cooked or cleaned within 40 min its no problem. Probably lesser people don't clean their entire kitchen and everything in it after cooking, but we know Gordon Ramsay does.

>> No.12756459

my hands are about the cleanest thing in my kitchen at any time
I hate having a smell of something on my hands.

>> No.12756473

>>12756454
Yeah but having to go through each and every bottle of oil or jar of seasoning you touched and try to degrease them sounds like a pain in the ass when you can just wash your hands with soap after doing the raw meat handling instead. Maybe its a restaurant thing I don't know.