/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.12721719]

>visit parents on vacation
>have a small lunch
>dinnertime, plan to make a four-egg omelette
>parents absolutely flip their shit
>"FOUR eggs? it's too late in the evening for FOUR eggs, anon"
>"and the BUTTER"
>I'm just gonna drizzle half a tablespoon of olive oil-
>"you can't have FOUR eggs, think of the CHOLESTEROL"

When will boomers die already?

[Anonymous No.12722844]

Its the men actually, believe it or not women will listen for half a sec if u explain its the insulin not the cholesterol thats the problem. I eat a dozen eggs a day btw

[Anonymous No.12722942]

tell them eggs are zero points on weight watchers

[Anonymous No.12722953]

>>12721719
They’re right though. When you die from high cholesterol related diseases before your parents you’ll wish you had listened

[Anonymous No.12722964]

>>12722953
Dietary cholesterol is a meme. Maybe if you're eating a full tin of brains in milk gravy every day it'll be cause for concern but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.12722970]

>>12721719
I eat a heap of salt and last time I had a blood test it said I had low sodium levels

[Anonymous No.12723059]

>>12722942

[Anonymous No.12724256]

>>12721719
Tell them to go get fucked.

[Anonymous No.12724264]

>>12721719
I coupdnt eat 4 eggs

[Anonymous No.12724265]

>>12721719
Iv had this exact same shit Anon.
Tell them heart disease skips a generation and you got lucky.

[Anonymous No.12724275]

>>12721719
>eating an omelette for dinner
You should be asking why your parents failed you so badly, Eggman

[Anonymous No.12724280]

>>12721719
>four-egg omelette
How fuckin fat are you, tubby?

[Anonymous No.12724296]

Is this the low key AnCap thread?

[Anonymous No.12724322]

>>12721719
Weak attempt at creating copypasta.

[Anonymous No.12724336]

>>12721719
You didn't actually serve them an omelette for dinner, did you? I mean, they had a REAL meal, right? What a pathetic son. It was just for yourself, surely?

[8472 No.12724346]

>>12724264

But you have to eat all of them.

[Anonymous No.12724360]

I love french style omelettes. I like the creamy texture and soaking up the runny eggs with toast. 4 eggs is the best way to make them.

[Anonymous No.12724401]

>>12724280
four egg omelette with cheese cooked in butter = 400 calories tops

One hotdog is like 160 + bun which is 180 usually and people never eat one hot dog, so get fucked

[Anonymous No.12724416]

>>12724401
People usually don’t just eat a 400 calorie 4 egg omelette by itself for dinner either, you cunt

[Anonymous No.12724443]

>4 eggs are a lot
Are you actually Japanese girls with maybe 30 kg?
This is nothing.

[Anonymous No.12724454]

>>12722844
A dozen fucking eggs? I'll see you at the funeral, don't be late

[Anonymous No.12724458]

>>12721719
>When will boomers die already?
Wow. Nice way to talk about your parents. Did they drop you on your head as a baby or are you so young and stupid you needed to mock them online to feel better about being stupid?

No one but the no carb-body building-cutting losers of the world are eating 4 eggs at once. Joe Rogan's daily tweeting of hot sauce and eggs is simply not how normal people dine. When you live long enough to see food trends and nutrition advice both come and go, you might figure out that someone older is going to take some common wisdom and be shocked anyone eats more than a 3 egg omelet, like ever. Would you put 8 deviled eggs halves on your plate at a picnic? No, only a big fat pig who has no concern about some slam of fat in their arteries all at the exact same moment in time. Are you going to go exercise and work on those blood serum triglycerides after that meal, or will you just go to sleep?

First eggs are good, then eggs are cholesterol, then eggs are not _dietary_ cholesterol after all, but they are to be limited, then egg whites are fine, but yolks are not, but then, after that, uh oh, all the good things are in the yolks, but don't have more than ___ per week. And, you are going to call your pig out bedtime meal naysayers dumb enough to die? Let's see what the AHA has to say about it all?

[Anonymous No.12724544]

>>12724458
yikes dont get a heart attack you worthless boomer apologist

[Anonymous No.12724807]

>>12724458
>First eggs are good, then eggs are cholesterol, then eggs are not _dietary_ cholesterol after al
Are you saying that recommendations change as nutritional science is developed?
No fucking shit, you old demented retard.

Let's look at some facts.
Dietary cholesterol is not serum cholesterol and has essentially a parabolic effect: eating too much OR too little dietary cholesterol can impact your serum cholesterol. Serum cholesterol is produced by your body as a reaction to inflammation caused by insulin spikes and high blood pressure as you eat your fifth slice of pie with a cup of coffee.
LDL, a phrase you certainly think you know what it means from Cheerios commercials, is not cholesterol. It is a type of lipoprotein that carries serum cholesterol to its intended location; LDL is associated with disease because you can find it where you find cardiac disease.
However, your body only makes the cholesterol it needs. The problem, then, is not the cholesterol, but what you're doing that causes high numbers of LDL particles to carry it around in your blood. Eating too much processed grain and starchy carbs spikes insulin, causing weak spots in your inflamed arteries, causing your body to respond with cholesterol to patch the holes.
About 25% of people or fewer are considered "hyperresponders" who are extremely sensitive to dietary cholesterol. This condition is thought to be genetic and heritable. This subset of people would hypothetically benefit from limiting dietary cholesterol but only because they're genetic trash, not because it is inherently bad.
In fact, without cholesterol, your hormones stop working, your cells weaken, and you no longer absorb many vitamins. It is a building block of your human body.

>the AHA
This is the dumbest shit you've said yet. The AHA is privately funded by donations from pharmaceutical companies. The AHA would gladly see you overload on carbs and start buying insulin shots and blood pressure medication full time.

[Anonymous No.12724811]

>>12722964
Saturated fat is not a meme

[Anonymous No.12724853]

>>12724807
>LDL is associated with disease because you can find it where you find cardiac disease.
In the form of arterial plaque..

>The problem, then, is not the cholesterol, but what you're doing that causes high numbers of LDL particles to carry it around in your blood.
Like saturated fat and dietary cholesterol consumption

>The problem, then, is not the cholesterol, but what you're doing that causes high numbers of LDL particles to carry it around in your blood. Eating too much processed grain and starchy carbs spikes insulin, causing weak spots in your inflamed arteries,
What a disingenuous load of shit, dietary cholesterol CLEARLY raises serum cholesterol. Insulin spikes alone do not cause arterial damage, otherwise your hypothesis falls apart on itself when insulogenic foods like eggs with their protein would raise insulin. The problem with insulin is the subsequent falls, that’s where refined sugars cause drastic falls and spike blood sugar which can cause arterial damage and oxidize cholesterol. You are wholly misleading people deliberately

>About 25% of people or fewer are considered "hyperresponders" who are extremely sensitive to dietary cholesterol. This condition is thought to be genetic and heritable. This subset of people would hypothetically benefit from limiting dietary cholesterol but only because they're genetic trash, not because it is inherently bad.
Oh my god you are literally a paid shill aren’t you? Hyperresponders is a nonexistent concept literally fabricated bt researchers on the egg industry payroll to explain “abnormalities” in their studies of cholesterol when people would actually RESPOND to cholesterol. Everybody is a “hyperresponder”, what those snakes like you did was take people with a high baseline serum cholesterol and feed them high amounts which would change their serum very little and claim this was proof dietary cholesterol was irrelevant. Or measure their fasting serum levels. Fraudulent bullshit.

[Anonymous No.12724857]

>>12724807
>The AHA would gladly see you overload on carbs and start buying insulin shots and blood pressure medication full time.
Nice tinfoil hat, meanwhile you are literally repeating egg industry propaganda. Are you a pharma shill trying to get people on statins?

[Anonymous No.12724894]

>>12724401
>bun is 20 calories
Hahahahaha retard
You’re looking at around 400 for a hot dog. Costco hot dog is 600

[Anonymous No.12724937]

>>12724853
>your only cited material is old and admits to being only predictive and unstable due to omitted data point
Holy shit this is about to be great.
>In the form of arterial plaque..
Yes, but the plaque is what the body intended to do. Plaque is not inherently bad. Plaque is the scab for your arteries' wounds.
>dietary cholesterol consumption
Disproven.
>dietary cholesterol CLEARLY raises serum cholesterol
Not directly. It affects it slightly, but does not strictly raise it. Again, it has a parabolic effect.
> Insulin spikes alone do not cause arterial damage
No, but they contribute to a lot of it the type of damage that causes serum cholesterol to be produced by the body.
>eggs with their protein would raise insulin
All food raises insulin. That's what it's for. But some raise insulin in sharp rises which come with sharp falls, and that's what we call a "spike."
>Hyperresponders is a nonexistent concept
It's a concept that definitely exists. Some people respond to cholesterol very little and some do a lot, but the people who respond a lot are in the minority.

I honestly think you just can't read and so you've had a lot of trouble both digesting what I've written and understanding scientific literature in general.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/cholesterol/
>The biggest influence on blood cholesterol level is the mix of fats and carbohydrates in your diet—not the amount of cholesterol you eat from food.
>for most people dietary cholesterol is not as problematic as once believed
>The types of fat in the diet help determine the amount of total, HDL, and LDL cholesterol in the bloodstream. The types and amount of carbohydrate in the diet also play a role. Cholesterol in food matters, too, but not nearly as much.
Why don't you delete your comment and save yourself from looking like a fucking tool?

[Anonymous No.12724940]

>>12724857
>I can't win with reason or unbiased cited sources so I'll just call everyone who disagrees with me a "shill"
Look, faggot, it's the AHA versus literally the entire rest of nutritional science. They are not a federal body, nor are they the definitive resource on cardiac disease or dietetics.

[Anonymous No.12724952]

>>12721719
Wow... wishing you're boomer parents and other boomers death because they are worried about your health. You're a piece of crap. Maybe take the time to care and explain to them why it's not bad to have 4 eggs. They won't be around forever. Enjoy and appreciate your parents while you have them instead of being such a butt hurt zoomer

[Anonymous No.12724954]

>>12724952
Your**

[Anonymous No.12724959]

>>12724811
Actually they think it might actually be a meme now.
https://www.dairynutrition.ca/scientific-evidence/experts-summaries/new-evidence-reveals-that-saturated-fat-does-not-increase-the-risk-of-cardiovascular-disease

[Anonymous No.12724962]

>>12724346

[Anonymous No.12724964]

>>12724894
You need to take a reading comprehension class.

[Anonymous No.12724971]

>>12721719
Lol i eat 15 raw eggs a say hehe
Boomers are mentally ill hehe

[Anonymous No.12724972]

>>12724937
>DUDE ITS OLD
Truly amazing. How about you test gravity by jumping off a skyscraper. That’s old! Keep in mind this “””single””” study is a meta analysis of about a hundred other clinical metabolic ward trials with thousands of subjects

>omitted data point
Which is what?

>Yes, but the plaque is what the body intended to do. Plaque is not inherently bad. Plaque is the scab for your arteries' wounds.
From consuming saturated fats and cholesterol...
Are you okay there buddy? Do you think plaque clogging your arteries is good because its a scab?

>Disproven
Great new age totally included study there pal!!

>Not directly. It affects it slightly, but does not strictly raise it.
Lol wtf is this doublespeak? Does it raise or not? Actual science regardless of your pseud ageist bullshit, says yes

>No, but they contribute to a lot of it the type of damage that causes serum cholesterol to be produced by the body.
You are omitting what actually is the issue, which is blood sugar, and yes. Your whining does not matter

>All food raises insulin
Retarded strawman, obviously fuckwit. Some foods are more insulogenic than others, like high protein foods..,

>It's a concept that definitely exists
Yes, fabricated by egg industry researchers and perpetuated by braindead shills like you, I explained this all in detail. The only one having trouble understanding anything is your retarded shill ass

>DELETE THE COMMENT PLEASE
Point out anywhere in that bullshit that disproves anything I said you gigantic fucking faggot. You literally did not refute a single thing I said

[Anonymous No.12724975]

>>12724952
Boomer butthurt

[Anonymous No.12724980]

>>12724811
It literally is. The idea that it clogs your arteries is purely made up boomer science

[Anonymous No.12724985]

>>12724458
You are so far disconnected from nature that it saddens me to think what your daily life must be like
Just a true coward incarnate

[Anonymous No.12724986]

>>12724975
Nope, just a young adult that would love to hear my mothers voice again. Take it as you will and wish you well.

[Anonymous No.12724990]

>>12724980
I feel and look best when i eat literal sticks of grassfed butter and raw meats ans oysters
Mental clarity, no depression, glowing skin, high test

[Anonymous No.12724993]

>>12724940
You haven’t provided a single source for your claims and are now making unfounded claims that my evidence is “biased” lmao

You are a pathetic fat fucking faggot

>versus literally the entire rest of nutritional science
Another completely unfounded claim. You are such a fucking retard

>>12724959
>dairynutrition.com
And my sources are biased? You’re either braindead or an elaborately troll

[Anonymous No.12725007]

>>12724959
By design you are not going to find a link when you are not actually controlling for the confounding factors as we’ve known since the 70s
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/313701/

Your dairy website referencing two studies is not nutritional sciencd

[Anonymous No.12725017]

>>12721719
Thanks for the blog, keep me posted.

[Anonymous No.12725022]

>>12722844

>Not eating four dozen eggs as a lad every morning to help you get large
>Not eating five dozen eggs when you're grown so you're roughly the size of a barge

Casual pleb garbage

[Anonymous No.12725042]

>>12724296
i dont get it

[Anonymous No.12725050]

>>12724993
>>12725007
>HUUUUUUUUUUR YOU POSTED INFO FROM SITE I THINK IS BIASED BUT I HAVE NO PROOF!!! YOU ARE SO DUMB XDXDXDXDXD!!!!!!
Oh boy you sure showed me

[Anonymous No.12725056]

>>12724458
Imagine being so sheltered you think your progenitors deserve respect by default, just because they shat you out

[Anonymous No.12725075]

>>12725050
>Dairy website has no skin in the game regarding saturated fat
Oh absolutely

Great refutation of everything else I posted btw. Troll thread will be dismissed as such now. Nice little sprinkle of spice ;)

[Anonymous No.12725126]

>doctor tells me my LDL is slightly high
>Significantly cut my saturated fat intake, very little change in my diet otherwise
>Very obvious drop in my LDL afterwards
Explain.

[Anonymous No.12725134]

>>12725126
Demolition elves

[Anonymous No.12725153]

>>12724458
Zoomer faggot

[Anonymous No.12725161]

>>12724993
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
I cited Harvard's website which itself cites its sources.
>>12724937
>https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/

>Another completely unfounded claim
Find a source that supports what you're saying which does not cite the AHA or AHA studies as its information source. I am waiting. Until then, I provided a good resource with citations and you did not.

>>12724972
>Does it raise or not?
Not strictly. Too much dietary can raise serum in some people. Too little dietary can raise it in more people.
Are you really illiterate? I've said this about four times already.

>You are omitting what actually is the issue, which is blood sugar
You mean like right here when I directly addressed this issue already? It would really help you in your online arguments to learn to read and understand English.
>>12724937
>>The biggest influence on blood cholesterol level is the mix of fats and carbohydrates in your diet

>strawman
Do you even know what that means? Because you're not using it right.

>ageist
Just kill yourself, troll faggot.

>You literally did not refute a single thing I said.
That's funny, because I feel like the end of my last comment had a link along with posted text from said link which exactly refuted what you said.

[Anonymous No.12725335]

>>12725161
Okay so again what does the Harvard shit disprove? And why are they fundamentally better? And you clearly are the same person so why are you pretending otherwise?

>Find a source that supports what you're saying which does not cite the AHA or AHA studies as its information source. I am waiting. Until then, I provided a good resource with citations and you did not
I didn’t say anything about your arbitrary validity standards with the AHA other than your hilarious tinfoil buffoonery. You do realize you were talking with more than one person, right?

>Not strictly. Too much dietary can raise serum in some people. Too little dietary can raise it in more people.
Again, such retarded unfounded doublespeak. You are free to actually disprove the actual evidence

>You mean like right here when I directly addressed this issue already?
Except you didn’t. You’re obviously too brain damaged to read yourself and understand the difference between insulin and blood sugar. And the thing you posted to support this regarding fats and carbs in itself is completely useless and a non sequitir

>K-KILL YOURSELF
Exactly what I thought. A worthless braindead shill retard who can’t substantiate a single claim he’s made. End your worthless miserable life you fat fucking retard

[Anonymous No.12725395]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1534437/
https://www.nap.edu/read/10490/chapter/10

You can see such a stark contrast in IQ between the people who actually directly reference and explain research and those who defer to some shitty websites editorializing it for them

[Anonymous No.12725400]

>>12724959
>>>12724811
>Actually they think it might actually be a meme now.
>https://www.dairynutrition.ca/scientific-evidence/experts-summaries/new-evidence-reveals-that-saturated-fat-does-not-increase-the-risk-of-cardiovascular-disease
At the very same time, Dr. Atkins died from the thing he wished to reverse, cardiovascular disease.
It'll be realistic exceptions to the science like that example of what is healthy or safe, or things like Morgan Spurlock's covered-up advanced state of alcoholism, not mcdonald's sodium contents that makes "facts" appear to be new science that can't be definitely determined by those dissected lab rats on coconut oil cooked popcorn butter, or the avocado oil vs olive popcorn, or the long term Harvard Nurse's Study. There are just too many variables in nutrition science to affect outcomes for the UN, of all people, to call sugar a carcinogen, and other CONCLUSIONS, not just possible correlations.

Older people have simply seen the reversals of fortune and new evidence rewritten more than a few times, and the AHA, like them, are less trendy, but more treat the whole cencensus, as a body of evidence instead, and make safer recommendations that way. Until the discovery of nitric oxide's (R. Furchgott) effects on cardiac cells, viewed in an electron microscope for the first time ever, there hasn't been any revolutionary studies that took theories to actual pure scientific fact of a mechanism like that in pharma or nutrition.

[Anonymous No.12725402]

>>12721719
If you are a troglodite that eats eggs every day then four eggs is too much. If it was a special occasion then you should not care. Taking care of yourself every day and once in a while endulging without a care in the world is the right way of doing things

[Anonymous No.12725404]

It's so much harder to raise cholesterol than it is to lower it. It sucks that I didn't know this earlier because now I have low cholesterol and can't raise it no matter what I eat. People with the highest cholesterol levels live the longest. The associations of low cholesterol levels with suicide and depression, etc. are quite scary.

[Anonymous No.12725413]

>>12724986
I know how that feels believe me
all I have is one picture

[Anonymous No.12725452]

>>12725404
Its quite easy to, you consume dietary lipids. Drink coffee. Drink alcohol. Gain weight. Is there a reason you’re lying?

>People with the highest cholesterol levels live the longest. The associations of low cholesterol levels with suicide and depression, etc. are quite scary.
Yeah that’s not really true and certainly not a causative reasoning in the minute cases it is. Reverse causation like cancer and chronic disease can lower cholesterol levels drastically, this does not make lower cholesterol an unhealthy state as no intervening metabolic ward studies show. You’re almost making the equivalent of “my grandpa lived to 100 smoking cigarettes, I think?”

[Anonymous No.12725498]

FOUR eggs, anon? FOUR? that's insane

[Anonymous No.12725505]

>>12721719
>four eggs
Curious, how much do you fucking weigh

[Anonymous No.12725690]

>>12725413

[Anonymous No.12725704]

>>12721719
not a boomer, not a zoomer, but can sorta see their point. eggs for dinner is odd unless your feeding them supper at 3pm. if you were to make a frittata or even a quiche they would likely not have complained. as for 4 eggs being too much for one omelette is dependent of the pan you use.

[Anonymous No.12725972]

>>12725335
Not him but you are retarded lmao

[Anonymous No.12726004]

>olive oil with eggs
Made me cringe

[Anonymous No.12726041]

>>12721719
try making a chocolate milk at 2 am and watch them pull out the bible

[Anonymous No.12726822]

>>12724458
on top of that, like half what i read on diet applies to people working out or doing some kind of manual labor. lmaoing all these sedentary office drones doing keto and shit. you could probably eat bacon and avacados every meal if you were busting your ass all day and your blood work would be great but lets be honest, most people aren't busting much other than their chairs.

[Anonymous No.12726865]

>>12724443
I couldn’t eat a four egg omelette if I fucking tried. I can only just about finish a three egg omelette at a restaurant.