/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.12519455]

Food myths you wish were true.
Calories in vs calories out. If only it were that easy.

[Anonymous No.12519459]

>eat less
>my weight goes down
>eat more
>my weight goes up
maybe something is wrong about your body? something like metabolism probably idk

[Anonymous No.12519482]

>>12519455
>be PT
>hear this shit every fucking week
>"Yeah you dont cheat thermodynamics. How much Fruit have you been eating?" "Oh, just a few bananas and a few apples a day, and some of those fruit smoothies from the aldi"

Fuck off cunt, you are not a perpetuum mobile, you dont fucking generate energy out of thin air.

[Anonymous No.12519492]

>>12519455
>I have no self control
We know, fatty.

[Anonymous No.12519501]

>>12519482
What OP's graphic is supposed to mean is that the body spends a lot of energy just to achieve homeostasis (temperature regulation, circulation, respiration, lymph system, etc.) that you don't have to do 2,000 calories worth of exercises per day because you ate 2,000 calories per day.

[Anonymous No.12519515]

>>12519501
No, it's a denial of the law of thermodynamics thrown out by fatties with no self control.

>"I'm doing everything right!"
>except logging the 1200 calories in sugary coffee drinks I pretend are 0 calorie and then tell boldface lies to anybody who asks

[Anonymous No.12519599]

>>12519455
>Calories in vs calories out.
I refuse to believe it is not that simple, because it's something that appeals to my simplistic logic and provides me the opportunity to act like I'm more intelligent than other people, which is all I ever wanted.
Thermodynamics yo. I can spell it, so I know shit.

[Anonymous No.12519604]

>>12519515
>thermodynamics
fuck, I wanted to be the first to say that.

[Anonymous No.12519606]

>>12519455
calories in/calories out is literally true.

[Anonymous No.12519609]

>>12519501
what >>12519515 says. I am so sick by now by customers who chew me a ear off how they dont have a sixpack yet and then i see them buying Frosted Flakes two hours later at the grocery store. "Oh, its cereal, and cereals healthy, the animated tiger told me so"
or, even better
>"But it says a serving only has 100 calories"
>servingsize on package is like 23 grams or some shit
>they probably pour themselves a big soupbowl full of it, with like half the package innit
Nobody ever eats only the recomended tiny size of sugarcoated shitcereals that the package advices so they can print "healthy" and such shit on it.

[Anonymous No.12519630]

>>12519599
Being snarky doesn‘t work when you‘re retarded, fatty.

[Anonymous No.12519643]

>>12519455
It is our bodies don't use 100% of the calories taken in. The calories counts are determined by using a formula which involved the energy given off by burning sugar, fat, carbs in vitro not in vivo. Some digestive environments are less effective at breaking down and extracting calories from foods than others meaning they can eat more, hence why some people who have had fecal transplants for other medical reasons have dramatically lost or gained weight.

[Anonymous No.12519654]

>>12519455
It is, you just can't calculate Calories Out that easily.

[Anonymous No.12519671]

>>12519630
I'm sure you're slightly more intelligent than actual retarded people.

[Anonymous No.12519706]

>>12519609
97% of what you just described, which is clearly causing you stress, is all in your head. Seek help.

[Anonymous No.12520495]

you need to eat less calories than it takes to maintain your bodyweight. this part should be easy to figure out.
after a couple weeks, you should weigh less and therefore, need to reduce calories further.

[Anonymous No.12520550]

>>12519455
>being so fat your body breaks the laws of thermodynamics
The absolute state of (You), OP

[Anonymous No.12520651]

>>12519455
Remove salt sugar and fat out of the equation and the saying holds true

[Anonymous No.12520660]

losing weight is extremely easy
stop eating fat
stop eating simple sugars, including fruit and fruit juice.
and you will lose weight. I guarantee it.

[Anonymous No.12520718]

inb4
>something something bomb calorimeter

[Anonymous No.12520720]

>>12519455
obvious b8

you didn't fall for something so obvious, right?

[Anonymous No.12520727]

>>12520660
>stop eating fat
The 1930s want their shitty diet advice back

[Anonymous No.12520744]

>>12520660
Losing weight is easy, dont fucking eat too much and fast

[Anonymous No.12520750]

>>12519455
the idea is to exercise when you're hungry. this way your body will burn it's fat deposits instead of just carbohydrates.

[Anonymous No.12520756]

>>12520727
I mean fat is good for high energy consumption occupations, say like logging or mining. Not a lot of people labor like that nowadays so there’s really no need for a high fat diet.

If you were a manual labor job then by all means have at the fat. But if you’re a desk worker then you don’t need that much fat.

[Anonymous No.12520759]

>>12519706
Loose weight, fatty.

[Anonymous No.12520768]

Am I too late to namedrop Isaac Newton?

I agree with that other anon that the "serving sizes" listings are bullshit. We all know nobody opens a bag of cookies and eats two.
It should be per 100 g. and maybe also per whole container.
I was looking at kcal on some caffeinated energy drinks today because I was looking for a cheap one with no sugar. The "serving size" on a tallboy of those was a quarter of the can. Who the fuck opens a can and drinks one fourth of it? Fucking bullshit.
And they all had sugar so I didn't get any of them.

>>12520727
Ehh, it's decent advice for people who are really stupid and can't be given detailed advice. Fat is energy dense so it's easy to get too many kcal from it.
But of course sugar is dense enough too, especially when companies have figured out they can sell it in almost pure form and advertise it as "FAT FREE" and retards will eat it. You can't win with these people.

[Anonymous No.12520780]

I hear you about the thermodynamics, but uh, insulin bro.

[Anonymous No.12520786]

>>12520780
What about insulin?
That doesn't break basic laws of physics either, you know. It's a hormone that affects the way your body utilises available energy, but it doesn't create that energy out of nothing.

[Anonymous No.12520788]

>>12519455
>let me pretend I know something you don't know without really saying what it actually is
fuck off dumbass

[Anonymous No.12520797]

>>12520780
>I hear you about the thermodynamics, but uh, insulin bro.
imagine being a utter retard

[Anonymous No.12520811]

>>12519609
I own a food scale and 40g of special k almond vanilla is 150 calories, I take it with half a cup of unsweetened almond milk, 15 calories.

I'm on a diet so I've been paying attention to shit like this. It's also working, lost 60 lbs so far.

Also OP's image is retarded.

[Anonymous No.12520817]

>>12519455
it made me drop like 20kg lmao

[Anonymous No.12520818]

Where does fat in your body come from then? Is somebody secretly injecting you with fat while you sleep?

[Anonymous No.12520819]

>>12520768
I’m pretty sure Bang is no sugar or calories if it’s available in your area. It’s been a while since I’ve had one so I may be misremembering

[Anonymous No.12520922]

>>12520768
Pretty sure it's illegal to sell canned drinks with only the partial drink amount on there. It's acceptable to have both the partial and the full though.

[Anonymous No.12520937]

>>12519455

[Anonymous No.12520943]

>>12519455
I was a fatfuck and lost about 25kg just by eating a small portion of fries a day for lunch and a bowl of soup each night. It’s the fatfuck way but it worked so get fucked fatty.

[Anonymous No.12520967]

>>12520811
I was exergating of course with "nobody" but usually the serving size on packaging is way below what even children eat of it.
Also good to hear man, keep the good work up.

[Anonymous No.12521013]

>>12519459
"more" and "less" have nothing to do with calories. You can eat 2gk of lettuce a days an lose weight.
You can eat 300g of sugar a day and become a whale.
Calories also don't take into account that hte body can digest fat really well, while it will assimilate 100% of sugar. fibers and protein also count as "calories" since they can burn, but aren't energy for our body and can't make you fat.

[Anonymous No.12521058]

>>12521013
Aye, thats why you gotta be really carefull about nuts
>eat 200 grams of cashews, aka a small bag of em
>have 1100 calories

But at least they also have a really good ammount of proteins, so if you just eat the nuts yer fine
Also fuck anyone saying raisins are healthy

[Anonymous No.12521065]

>>12519455
So you're saying the human body can defy the laws of thermodynamics?

[Anonymous No.12521071]

>>12520811
cereal is a terrible food. eat something with more bulk, like oatmeal.
I eat beans and bread. eat a big breakfast and lunch, and don't eat dinner, and don't snack.

[Anonymous No.12521074]

>>12521013
>You can eat 300g of sugar a day and become a whale
300g of sugar has 1125 calories which is not enough to induce weight gain in a normal adult human. Thank you so much.

[Anonymous No.12521116]

>>12519455
i was 270 pounds and had to eat 5000-6000 calories a day to maintain that weight
i started limiting myself to 2500-3500 and now i'm 230 pounds
funny how that works

[Anonymous No.12521128]

Daily reminder that calories in/calories out is true, and the only people who don't believe in it are stupid. Also worth reminding that all fat people are stupid, because you'd have to be stupid to let yourself get fat.

[Anonymous No.12521135]

>>12519455
CICO when trying to lose fat
IIFYM when trying to get ripped

[Anonymous No.12521246]

>>12519706
have sex

[Anonymous No.12521595]

>>12521013
>Calories also don't take into account
>fibers and protein also count as "calories"
No.

[Anonymous No.12521709]

>>12520660
I lose weight eating straight chocolate. What's your point

[Anonymous No.12521717]

>>12520922
It's almost as if people from other countries can post here. Wooooow

[Anonymous No.12521728]

>>12521128
> double cream
absolutely deluded

[Anonymous No.12521734]

How can f*tties actually get so big? I can see it being hard to lose significant weight once you get so obese but how do you see your body getting fat and not care?

[Anonymous No.12521735]

>>12519455
Calories in/out absolutely works, you're just too fucking stupid to figure out how much you're putting in or taking out

Start fasting you fat piece of shit
>>>/fit/fast

[Anonymous No.12522019]

>>12521128
>you’d have to be stupid to let yourself get fat
Last year when I didn’t give a shit about my diet and how much I exercised I was around 120kg, lost about 25kg since then by doing nothing other than going for occasional walks and not eating whenever I’m bored. It’s easier than people think desu

[Anonymous No.12522035]

>>12521013
>fiber can burn
>humans possess the microbacterial flora necessary to break down cellulose
HOLY SHIT you are retarded

[Anonymous No.12522037]

>>12521734
When it happens over a sizeable chunk of time it’s harder to tell how much weight they’ve actually gained because they don’t see just the before and after, they see every incremental change in between as well which makes it seem like less of a big deal.

[Anonymous No.12522039]

If you eat fewer calories than you expend, you will lose weight, BUT, nutrition labels can be pretty significantly off, a person's individual gut Flora can greatly increase or decrease the bioavailability of energy from food consumed, and genetic differences can greatly increase or decrease the amount of hunger hormone produced.

Calories in/out is real, but it's orders of magnitude more difficult for some folks.

[Anonymous No.12522040]

EAT LESS
EAT LESS
EAT LESS
YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT IF YOU EAT LESS
FAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE BLOODY EAGLE ON THE STREETS
PURGE THE FATS

[Anonymous No.12522046]

>>12522039
>Calories in/out is real, but it's orders of magnitude more difficult for some folks.
Life is more difficult for some folks. Learn to deal with that fact or die.

[Anonymous No.12522065]

>>12521717
Well, sorry they're in such a shit they can tell you straight lies.


I mean you. Sorry that you're in a shit country.

Not sorry.

[Anonymous No.12522072]

>>12522046

Agreed, but the general point is that shame is one of the least effective methods to induce weight loss in other folks, especially if they're already feeling overwhelmed by a set of circumstances that makes it particularly difficult for them to lose weight. I think a little bit of empathy can go a much longer way than "lose the weight fatty it isn't even hard."

Also, food addiction is a real ass thing and some hella therapy is going to be needed for a lot of overweight people to get past it.

[Anonymous No.12522078]

>>12522072
>especially if they're already feeling overwhelmed by a set of circumstances that makes it particularly difficult for them to lose weight.
it is the easiest thing in the world to not shove food down your gullet

[Anonymous No.12522102]

>>12522078

t. someone without food addiction and with a favorable gut microbiome.

It's like being an occasional drinker and telling an alcoholic with a family history of alcoholism that it's the easiest thing to just not drink.

You'd think if the people yelling at fatties to lose weight actually wanted them to be happy healthy people they'd employ methods with the most scientific backing, but it's never about that, which is why they're just cunts.

[Anonymous No.12522103]

>>12519455
Its true. But only if your fat as fuck.
As you get close to ideal or normal weight it become more complex, and if you are an athlete it's much more nuanced.

[Anonymous No.12522112]

>>12522102
>people yelling at fatties to lose weight actually wanted them to be happy healthy people
I don't, I literally do not care when people willingly harm themselves. If they want to be an obese, disgusting waste of human space go ahead, just don't ask for my taxes to pay for their hospital visit or expect me to coddle them when they go on they're fifth "journey" to lose weight. They're disgusting on a physical and mental level and should be treated as such

[Anonymous No.12522116]

>>12522065
Nice reddit-spacing, faggot.

[Anonymous No.12522125]

>>12522102

Like, fat people get shit.on constantly, so if public shaming was an effective method of getting people to lose weight, there just wouldn't be fat people at this point. Hating fat people is just that, an excuse to be a hateful cunt. If you actually want folks to lose weight and.be healthy, go get a degree to be a therapist and work with food addiction or pursue any of the other avenues that are proven to actually work.

[Anonymous No.12522129]

>>12522116
nice original thought, ass master

>Wow, I've run out of things to say, and I'm starting to look stupid!

>I know! I'll bash his formatting

shotgun mouthwash

[Anonymous No.12522133]

>>12522112

>Doesn't want fatties using his tax dollars for medical treatment
>Engages in only the least effective method at convincing people to lose weight

You didn't do so well in school, did you?

[Anonymous No.12522134]

>>12521013
>You can eat 300g of sugar a day and become a whale.
If that's all you eat, your weight will go down quickly (assuming you get nutrients in some other zero-calorie fashion so as not to die). You cannot fight the laws of thermodynamics.

[Anonymous No.12522142]

>>12522129
I'm not the person you're talking to, plebbitor subhuman. Just pointing out you are a faggot.

[Anonymous No.12522153]

>>12522142
I know that retard, I'm just shitting on you because you're a last place fucking moron

[Anonymous No.12522154]

>>12522039
>orders of magnitude more difficult
You don't know what "orders of magnitude" means.

[Anonymous No.12522170]

>>12522154

I'm obviously using it in a slightly hyperbolic sense, as gauging how difficult it feels for one person to lose weight relative to another isn't as precise as can be related by simple ratios.

[Anonymous No.12522180]

>>12521013
>Eat low calories
>Lose weight
>Eat high calories
>Gain weight
You do realize there's nothing wrong with that right? Or do you think lettuce has the same calories as it's weight in sugar?

[Anonymous No.12522187]

>>12522102
>favorable gut microbiome
You know you can alter that by eating better or taking probiotics right? And the problem today is that 'food addiction' isn't viewed as a bad thing. People call it 'treating yourself' or 'listening to your body's need' or whatever the fuck they use as an excuse to eat more than they need to.

[Anonymous No.12522208]

>>12521128
humans or any animal for that sake don't use energy mechanically. We break the laws of thermodynamics everyday, gets even more busted once you start adding medical conditions. Like that japanese chick who can eat like 30 burgers in one sitting.
The only part thats true about it is that absorbing more energy than you need to function

[Anonymous No.12522223]

The Japanese girl can do that because she doesn't digest her food properly hence the medical condition. She doesn't break the laws of physics, she just shits it out before her body can process it. There's no medical condition that makes you 150% efficient at absorbing calories

[Anonymous No.12522241]

>>12522187

It can be altered but takes quote a bit of doing, though they're currently looking into gut Flora transplants which seems fucking rad.

And honestly, I'm an SJW fuck and haven't personally seen your second point. Fat acceptance seems to be more about trying to get folks not to constantly shit on fat people.

[Anonymous No.12522259]

There's that and then there's all the 'intuitive eating' bullshit telling people to eat what they want instead of what they need. Intuitive eating only works when you already have healthy eating habits, it doesn't work on someone who has terrible eating habits being able to eat how they want to. Fat acceptance has turned from 'it's okay to be fat' to 'it's ideal to be fat.'

[Anonymous No.12522267]

If you weigh 400 pounds and restrict yourself to 1200 calories a day (and I mean it - log that shit precisely. 1200 calories), I will be you $5000 that you will lose no less than 3 pounds a week. You'll probably lose 20 pounds at least in the 1st week. And you don't have to excercize. At all. Sit on your fat ass and play video games all day. But only intake 1200 calories. 3 pounds a week.

Calories in = calories out.

[Anonymous No.12522277]

>>12522241
>Fat acceptance seems to be more about trying to get folks not to constantly shit on fat people.
I hope you push for Alcoholic Acceptance and Heroin Addiction Acceptance just as much.

[Anonymous No.12522278]

>>12521058
>200 grams of cashews, aka a small bag of em
Do americans?

[Anonymous No.12522280]

>>12519455
are you trolling or just incredibly stupid?

[Anonymous No.12522284]

>>12522277

I just think being a cunt to fat people is the least efficacious way of getting them to not be fat.

[Anonymous No.12522286]

>>12522284
And I think you're full of shit. Shame has always been a powerful motivator. What's your suggestion? Tell them that they're perfect and should never change?

[Anonymous No.12522303]

>>12522267
Honestly, it just that most people don't know how much calories are in food and how to calculate it. They omit things like sauces, dressing and toppings and even if it's small, they add up. They'll ignore 50-100 calories because they 'just had a bite' or that they had a good week so time to eat 1000 excess calories that was their whole deficit that week. I tell people to weigh and write down what they eat all the time when they ask for advice and they just act that it's beneath them, then wonder why they can't lose weight

[Anonymous No.12522304]

>>12522284
it works on fat people in basic training. they leave thin and happy

[Anonymous No.12522317]

>>12522208
>humans or any animal for that sake don't use energy mechanically. We break the laws of thermodynamics everyday

[Anonymous No.12522321]

>>12522241
>Fat acceptance seems to be more about trying to get folks not to constantly shit on fat people.
Haven't you heard that "healthy at any size" crap? It's one thing to not hate yourself because of your body, but these people take it a step further, saying that their obese bodies are in fact "healthy" and that there is nothing wrong with being lazy and gluttonous

[Anonymous No.12522323]

>>12522286
>>12522304

Here's a summary.of a population study that points to the opposite. I'll maybe try to find some more papers when I'm home from walking my dog

[Anonymous No.12522333]

>>12519455
99% of the time CICO is enough for weight loss. If you're not losing any weight you're failing to count your calories or over estimating your daily energy needs. I've lost 55lbs since October of last year thanks to /fast/ and /fat/.

[Anonymous No.12522340]

>>12522303
I remember a few weeks ago I mentioned that my morning coffee was 100 calories and some idiot was like "LOL stop eating chocolate chip frappes from McDonalds for breakfast" ... I'm like dude, that's just 2 cream and 2 sugar in black coffee.

[Anonymous No.12522343]

>>12522340
Actual frappes are indeed way more, and shit like this is why people are bad at counting calories. Because "It's a just a drink".

[Anonymous No.12522347]

>>12522323
What's weird about that is that even just pointing out that obesity is bad is called 'fatphobic'. I don't think bullying fat people is good but anything negative about fat people now is considered 'fatphobic'. You can't point out that not being able to walk continuously for a few minutes due to weight is a sign of poor health without a few people being offended

[Anonymous No.12522348]

>>12522340
How are people this delusional? Those frappes must be at least 700 calories

[Anonymous No.12522349]

>>12522277
In a society that has made anti-bullying it's core goal in youths, there is nothing that doesn't have an acceptance movement. Honestly, we NEED bullying. Someone HAS to tell these people when they're embarrassing themselves or the people they know. I don't know how this shit started.

[Anonymous No.12522350]

>>12521013
>2kg of lettuce has 280 calories
>300g of sugar has 1161 calories
I'd like to see you get fat eating ONLY 300g of sugar a day. Unless you're a completely sedentary leprechaun it isn't happening.

[Anonymous No.12522355]

>>12522349
Somehow, we lost our way.

[Anonymous No.12522358]

>>12522343
Don't forget the crabs.

[Anonymous No.12522359]

>>12522348
I looked it up and the large is 680 cals, not too far off.

>>12522343
What size are these?

[Anonymous No.12522368]

>>12522359
It's right there in the damn image.

[Anonymous No.12522370]

>>12522350
The only problem with eating 300g of sugar is that you'll feel like shit but you'll still lose weight

[Anonymous No.12522371]

>>12522368
Whoops. Thanks, don't know how I missed it

[Anonymous No.12522380]

>fat acceptance movement
The only movement that could be stopped by actually moving

[Anonymous No.12522381]

>>12522343
>based on grande-size drinks
BULLSHIT. The Caramel Frappe from McDonalds has 670 calories in a large. I refuse to believe Starbucks drinks have 20-30% less calories.

[Anonymous No.12522383]

>>12522286

People like you make me glad that SJW cunts will probably make laws against doing that very thing. Those laws would be for people like you who can't use a privilege properly, you're making an excuse for bullying from strangers instead of using your right to confront them to convey care or information. Shame is a powerful motivator of primarily violence, all violent acts can be understood as an attempt to turn shame into self-esteem - every little hood rat nigger that wants to rape and kill white people is actually deeply ashamed of being a smelly, dumb nigger. I mean if someone texted me anything for six weeks in a row I would probably just have them swatted so the bullying contest could be won outright through inflicting PTSD upon the other person.

Anyway daily reminder it's people like you who use their rights in a cruel and lazy way that will enable SJW to take them away.

[Anonymous No.12522384]

>>12522208
>we break the laws of thermodynamics everyday
we've been looking in the wrong place, bros. let's just hook a bunch of fatties up to the power grid and tell all the scientists they can take the rest of the day off.

[Anonymous No.12522391]

>>12522383
So get thin, then use your greater privilege to stop me. Until then there isn't shit you can do. And I'm not going to sugar coat what I think, especially because then you'd probably eat that too.

[Anonymous No.12522394]

>>12522358
>Size: 32 ounces
>Calories: 2600
How is this even possible? Is it sprinkled with radioactive isotopes?

[Anonymous No.12522397]

>>12519455
Nice b8
You literally triggered all of /ck/

[Anonymous No.12522404]

>>12522370
Yeah. Not saying it's healthy. You'll probably get scurvy and all sorts of shit too, which will also probably speed up that weight loss.

[Anonymous No.12522410]

>>12522383
You can't hug someone into changing themselves. There's a reason the last 50 years has seen entertainment shift from light and fun to broody and dramatic across the board. People aren't moved by things that don't hit hard. It's always why comedy in cinema has been dead for decades - you can't make a comedy moody and dramatic by they damn well try anyway.

[Anonymous No.12522436]

>>12522035
Fiber can burn you fucking moron, you know, when it’s in literal fire. That’s why it counts toward calories, because they use fire to determine the heat given off by food and use that to determine the number of joules and calories are in a foodstuff.

He’s saying that the calories from burnt fiber are added to the total calories in a foodstuff, but don’t actually contribute to any bodily intake of energy because our bodies can’t digest cellulose.

[Anonymous No.12522462]

>>12522208
This guy is right, let’s go all tell those science nerds to fuck off because we can break the laws of thermodynamics. Fuck physics and all that gay shit, we can probably make it to Mars by tomorrow.
t. An actual brainlet

[Anonymous No.12522466]

>>12522436
>they use fire to determine the heat given off by food and use that to determine the number of joules and calories are in a foodstuff
No, they don't, they just multiply by the atwater factors because that's all that's legally required. You'd probably get a more accurate number if anyone actually bothered to stick their products in a bomb calorimeter.

[Anonymous No.12522482]

>>12522397
>You literally triggered all of /ck/
We know it is bullshit, but it is still a better discussion point than most threads.

[Anonymous No.12522506]

I have a Question. If eating less food doesn't make you lose weight and exercising doesn't make you lose weight how does a person lose weight?

[Anonymous No.12522509]

>>12522506
Apparently by having privilege, which we haven't found a way of getting outside of birth.

[Anonymous No.12522548]

>>12522509
fat people should just change their race and gender then and they wont be fat

[Anonymous No.12522573]

>>12522349
Literally because of strong anti-bullying movement in schools

[Anonymous No.12522600]

>>12522391

I'm starting to see the SJW's frustration with people like you, they're starting to form some actually halfway decent memes about it. I'm to believe that your name is Kyle, you're a cis white male with poor muscle development, you're 3 inches too short and you drink monster energy drink and punch holes in drywall when you lose at video games.

Mainly what you type do is embarass the rest of us who are trying to make real arguments against authoritarianism. I'd like to keep my right to tell fat people that it's going to kill them, I want to be able to, when someone says "Healthy at every size" that no, you're wrong, it's not healthy, fuck your hyper-self-acceptance movement. You, on the other hand, just want an excuse to tease people and get a gay little high off of it. You're the prototypical example the other side uses it's arguments to the effect that I shouldn't even be able to tell a fat person that it's gonna kill them 30 years earlier than if they weren't fat.

So anyway, Kyle, I'm sure you have Counterstrike loot boxes to be opening on your Twitch stream. Mom will be home soon and then there will be tendies.

>>12522410

I think you've really gotta stick to the real reasons, especially the vastly lowered lifespan. Fat people know they're fat, one more bully isn't going to move the scale, the older they are and the longer they've been fat the more resistance to it they will have. It would really only work on the sheltered people SJW would like to create, people who will probably be protected from these comments by punitive laws. This situation would not only be infuriating, it would probably just perpetuate the ongoing cultural division - but that's not something SJW themselves can understand or respond to, they exist only to deploy authoritarianism and basically I'd like Kyle to go away while the adults handle them.

[Anonymous No.12522609]

>>12522600
>She thinks this is a "halfway decent meme"

[Anonymous No.12522635]

>>12520768
>I was looking at kcal on some caffeinated energy drinks today because I was looking for a cheap one with no sugar.
Monster Zero Ultra (tm).
There's a reason there were two 250+ reply threads about it a day for months on this board. SIPS are so wholesome the mods had to ban it.

[Anonymous No.12522637]

>>12522600
I think you lack the fundamental understanding of banter, and it's limpwrists like you enable weak pathetic people

[Anonymous No.12522657]

>>12522600
how does a person lose weight? No one in this tread has answered the question

[Anonymous No.12522661]

>>12522657
You can't, it's impossible.

[Anonymous No.12522690]

>>12522600
I'm sensing some projection

[Anonymous No.12522698]

>>12522349
I'm definitely not going to congratulate myself for this because it was like what >>12522600 alludes to in that it was just about me getting my little high but the only time I have viciously bullied someone was a fat kid(not even that "obese" just fat by today's standards but obese then) in middle school. he was bullied by others but me and another kid really roasted this kid. ran into him like 4-5 years after graduation, and dude was skinny as shit. apologized profusely to him but said that my bullying was his breaking point to shape up. I would imagine in today's world he wouldnt have bettered himself.

Obviously there's a line somewhere and I don't want to actively promote it but I absolutely agree the shield kids from any insult at all costs mentality is mich more destructive than what was acceptable a generation ago.

[Anonymous No.12522700]

>>12522657
Eat less.

[Anonymous No.12522707]

>>12522700
doesn't work apparently I need an alternative

[Anonymous No.12522711]

>>12522707
eat less than you're currently eating

[Anonymous No.12522724]

>>12522711
Multiple people in this thread have said that eating less doesn't work. So we are asking them; what does work to lose weight?

[Anonymous No.12522727]

>>12519455
I'm literally doing this right now and I'm currently down 7 pounds. All it takes is putting down the damn fork fatty.

[Anonymous No.12522732]

>>12522657
eat nutrient dense foods like grass fed beef and wild caught fatty fish ONLY, break your addiction to carbs and go from there

[Anonymous No.12522734]

>>12522724
they're either trolling or legitimately retarded and can't be helped

[Anonymous No.12522739]

>>12522732
thats just eating less food. How can I lose weight without eating less food?

[Anonymous No.12522744]

>>12522732
So I can eat as much grass fed beef and fatty fish as I want and I will lose weight? That sounds awesome.

[Anonymous No.12522758]

I've never seen a fat person who didn't eat too much and the problem is usually not how much they eat in a set meal but that they never stop eating and they delude themselves

skinny person eats slightly larger meal, fat person goes "youre lucky you have metabolism for that", then the skinny person is done eating for the night, meanwhile fat person is eating ice cream 30 minutes later, and gets into the chip bag before bed.

[Anonymous No.12522762]

>>12522739
>>12522744
try overeating those foods, you will want to puke but you will not feel hungry if you dont eat any carbs

[Anonymous No.12522766]

>>12522762
Answer the question: So I can eat as much grass fed beef and fatty fish as I want and I will lose weight?

[Anonymous No.12522770]

>>12522739
once you eat 2 spoonful of fat, you can continue filling you up with fat and you will just shit it out undigested. quantity is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.12522771]

>>12522766
yes if those are the ONLY foods you eat

[Anonymous No.12522774]

>>12522771
Sounds good. I am going to eat 15,000 calories of beef and fish every day now. I can't wait to be thin in no time.

[Anonymous No.12522783]

>>12522774
go ahead and try but either you will throw up, be physically unable to eat the food because it will start to become disgusting, or you wont even digest it

[Anonymous No.12522796]

>>12522783
but will he lose weight thats all that matters

[Anonymous No.12522799]

>>12522783
So why isn't the 15, 000 calorie all beef and fish diet being advertised anywhere?

[Anonymous No.12522815]

CICO works but it isn't as simple as "MUH THERMO DURRRR"

[Anonymous No.12522854]

>>12522039
>but it's orders of magnitude more difficult for some folks
No it isn't, it is marginally more difficult most of the time. Extreme metabolism abnormalities most fatsos think they have are very rare.

[Anonymous No.12523077]

>>12522661
imagine spending that much time poring over a thesaurus to make yourself sound "smart" when you could just go for a quick jog and eat a salad.

[Anonymous No.12523100]

>>12523077
Welcome to the world of Less Wrong.

[Anonymous No.12523130]

>>12519455
It’s actually that easy. Calories consumed by your body - calories expended = weight.
Now if you eat 4.000 calories of wood somehow your body cannot get all those calories and poop it out.
Basically eat a balanced diet and reduce your serving size and increase your exercise every day.

[Anonymous No.12523593]

>>12520967
It's worth mentioning that the reason a serving size is "way below what even children eat of it" is that that's how most processed foods are designed.

I dabble in the WFPB diet although I'm not super strict because I just enjoy food so darned much. One thing I've noticed is that I can feel full as fuck off of a lunch that's only like 500 calories... if it's like a real food. Like for dinner tonight I basically had tofu, whole wheat noodles, and about a pound of sauteed vegetables. Total damage? about 550 kcal.

But processed foods are designed so that you're able to eat as much as possible before you feel full. It's easy to eat 1200kcal of Frosted Flakes before your body tells you that it feels full. My dinner had me feeling skeptical of the calories because it felt like SO much food--the exact opposite.

[Anonymous No.12523672]

There are typically very slight differences in calorie absorption from food and calorie burning from exercise efficiencies, but these do not vary to any significant extent when it comes to losing weight. There are actual disorders where the body is extremely inefficient in calorie absorption with bad digestion, making it life threateningly hard to gain and keep on weight. That one ugly woman with the buckteeth and bad eye has a disorder like that, you know the one.

[Anonymous No.12523711]

>>12522380
kek

[Anonymous No.12523830]

>>12519455
OP is the one object in the universe that the laws of thermodynamics do not apply, or alternatively is a fat retard that can't do basic arithmetic. It's not hard just C O U N T you nigger.

[Anonymous No.12523897]

>>12523830
don't you get it? when you become a land whale of sufficient size you gain the ability to photosynthesize!

[Anonymous No.12523935]

>>12522799
it's called keto you mongoloid

[Anonymous No.12523943]

>>12523935
Ok, so the keto diet is what allows you to eat an unlimited amount of calories and still lose weight. Got it.

[Anonymous No.12523958]

>>12523830
>drink 2000 calories of HFCS
>eat 2000 calories of potatoes
>gain different amounts of weight
>shit different amounts of shit
>feel different amounts of full
>have different amounts of macro/micro nutrients

WOW THERMODYNAMICS

[Anonymous No.12524628]

>>12519459
>>12523130
>eat less
>my weight goes down
Sure, but nearly everyone wants to lose adipose tissue, not lose literal weight. Unless a person is obese, a calorie deficit will give significant muscle and bone loss, obviously not the "weight" you want to shed.

This semantical error pops up every fucking time.
It is entirely possible to gain "weight" on a calorie deficit. How does that not violate thermodynamics? Because "weight" is slang for "adipose tissue".

[Anonymous No.12524677]

>>12519455
CALORIES IN CALORIES OUT IS BULLSHIT!

> what have you been eating then?

just fruit, veg, rice and yellow cake, why do you ask? I cant seem to lose the pounds!!!

[Anonymous No.12524759]

>>12524628
>a calorie deficit will give significant muscle and bone loss
There's no such thing as 'starvation mode'. Your body isn't going to use muscle and bone as energy (both of which takes considerable amount of time to build) when it has access to fat. It might apply if you're <5% body fat or something. You lose muscle mass if you don't use your muscles, not because of a calorie deficit. I was able to gain strength while on a calorie deficit by lifting weights while eating to lose weight and eating a moderate amount of protein

[Anonymous No.12524772]

>>12519455
>lost 50kg following CICO
>it's just a myth
No you're just a weak willed fuck.

[Anonymous No.12524856]

>>12522208

[Anonymous No.12524892]

>>12519455
But it is tho.

[Anonymous No.12524926]

>>12522635
Real sips are expensive here, man. That's why I was in Aldi looking for a cheap knockoff.

[Anonymous No.12524947]

One hour of walking at 4.0 MPH = 300 something calories burned; nigga that should be way higher or else everyone is overweight from the produce aisle alone. Or...large pasta dish and that guy is underweight? Fuck outta here....Plus the metabolism speeds up meme--no, the body does what it wants to do regardless, unless you do extreme shit, like ingesting hot peppers at a large quantity. Expect a dump at ____ o clock regardless of how much you ran, fasted, dieted, ingested, so on. YOU are not in charge. Your body is in charge of you.

You can do 1000 sit ups a day and be ripped or fat. It doesn't matter. You can eat eternal carbs and be skinny or glance at a ravioli and gain weight. It doesn't matter. The human body makes no sense. Look at the boxer, Ruiz who KO'd Joshua. You've genetically been dealt this hand. You can't change it. It will always revert to the state it wants to be in. You're a passenger. Can you make it work for you? Ruiz did. He'll never be Joshua physically--never in a million years. But he made it work. But he has man tits and a bulging stomach, and it cannot be changed. That is the case. Joshua could binge eat all his life and struggle to gain weight. Make sense of that shit.

[Anonymous No.12524960]

I like being mean to people
that means it's probably helpful
because I'm a good person

[Anonymous No.12524970]

>>12524947
Imagine making all these mental gymnastics because you don't want to eat less food to not be fat

[Anonymous No.12525095]

>>12524628
Your body stores fat to burn it later. When you lose weight you will lose fat, and the amount of muscle you lose is dependent on how physically active you are. As an underweight female I easily hit a low enough body fat % to stop ovulating just by eating less and maybe running/calisthenics if I have the energy. Losing adipose tissue is easy as pie.

[Anonymous No.12525097]

>>12521128
my god that is a genuine subhuman

[Anonymous No.12525127]

>>12522208
>We break the laws of thermodynamics

[Anonymous No.12525174]

>>12521013
How are you complicating something so simple?

This board is shit with its knowledge of actual food and nutrition discussion--between the ultra-processed food that is posted all over the catalog and the lack of education in basic nutritional facts.

[Anonymous No.12525189]

>>12524926
Rip.
I would recommend you just buy some pre-workout powder. It's basically sips that you mix up yourself.

BSN is based brand with non-disgusting flavors.

[Anonymous No.12525191]

>>12525189
I might look into that. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.12525319]

Eat much food > get big
Eat less food > get small

How is that concept difficult to grasp? A 3 year old child gets this.

[Anonymous No.12525515]

>>12521595
are you literally trying to say that protein does not contribute to total calories in food?

[Anonymous No.12525521]

>>12519501
do you have no understanding of why we need to eat food?

[Anonymous No.12525534]

>>12519643
>Might be slightly off so the entire idea of energy in = energy out is stupid
lose weight

[Anonymous No.12525608]

>>12524947
>fatties are this delusional

[Anonymous No.12525944]

>>12523935
Are you going to answer >>12523958?

[Anonymous No.12526139]

>>12525944
What point is that post even trying to convey?

[Anonymous No.12526264]

I used to weigh about 180 and felt bad but was too lazy to exercise/care so I decided to just eat less everyday and lost 15 pounds over the course of a few months.
It's not an achievement by any means but it does make me think about what I eat and I don't have to do anything beyond eat under 1800Cal everyday, so I can continue being a lazy piece of shit the rest of the time.

[Anonymous No.12526342]

>>12519455
OP you're literally retarded

[Anonymous No.12527270]

>>12522358
I've had that. It's not as good as one would think. Overpowering to say the least

[Anonymous No.12527558]

>>12522040
>FAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE BLOODY EAGLE ON THE STREETS
Don't give them the bird, they'd only eat it. With a vat of HFCS ketchup.

[Anonymous No.12527581]

Calories in > Calories out is literally true. It actually can't be true.
Were it not true your fat ass would be strapped to some aliens FTL drive because you're a perpetual motion machine you fat fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.12527595]

>>12527581
if it were true, your weight would actually fluctuate more than it does. a calorie is not a calorie, that is why the simplistic CICO is true but there is a catch to it.

[Anonymous No.12527728]

>>12519455
You know what isn't bullshit?
>Move your body regularly (exercise)
>don't give it shitty fuel (food)
>don't give it too much fuel (food)

[Anonymous No.12527734]

>>12522040
>EAT LESS
>SOMEHOW
>EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT SATED UNTIL YOU EAT WAY MORE THAN NECESSARY.
>EVEN THOUGH YOU USE FOOD THE SAME WAY SOME PEOPLE ON /FIT/ USE WORKING OUT
Just admit that you're an insecure skelly brah.

[Anonymous No.12527748]

>>12519455
>take steroids
>diet unchanged
>gain weight

I guess steroids have a shit ton of calories, huh?

[Anonymous No.12527800]

Calories in calories out is 100% true. But calculating "calories out" is trickier than people make it seem, since people have different metabolisms and how you eat affects your metabolism.

[Anonymous No.12527862]

>Eat zero calories in a day
>Lose weight
>Eat 4000 calories in a day while having a 2000 calorie TDEE
>Gain weight
What a mystery

[Anonymous No.12528291]

>>12519455

[Anonymous No.12528379]

>>12527734
You do not need to be sated. You have to understand that your body no longer functions properly and you have to deal with those repercussions until you 'retrain' it.

[Anonymous No.12528392]

>>12527748
When I took steriods I didn't gain shit for weight, until I forced myself to eat more.

Either your entire story is BS, or the "diet unchanged" part is.

[Anonymous No.12528561]

>>12520660
>stop eating sugars
Correct
>stop eating fat
No. That's a terrible idea. Eat less carbs instead.
If you provide your body with fat, it's going to burn fat. This is, in fact, the basis of the keto diet.

[Anonymous No.12528567]

>>12520750
Why not just eat fats entirely so your body starts burning fats around the clock?

[Anonymous No.12528611]

>>12520786
>>12520797
I think he's referring to the fact that if your body is full of insulin, you're way worse off.
Skip to 3:00
https://youtu.be/xrUodw3MvkY

[Anonymous No.12528637]

>>12523958
>>drink 2000 calories of HFCS
>>eat 2000 calories of potatoes
>>gain different amounts of weight
False, prove it.
>>shit different amounts of shit
>>feel different amounts of full
>>have different amounts of macro/micro nutrients
>WOW THERMODYNAMICS
None of those things disprove CICO. CICO only matters for weight loss.

On a sidenote does anyone have the study where it claimed like 300 days of the year you don't eat at your annual daily rate

[Anonymous No.12528703]

>>12519515
>>12519599
>>12519604
>>12520550
>>12520720
>>12519654
>>12520788
>>12520817
>>12520937
>>12520943
>>12521065
>>12521116
>>12521128
>>12521735
I'm not disagreeing with CICO but
>thernodynamics
Has been abused and misused to fuck and back in this thread.
No competent dietitian has ever used the word "thermodynamics" because that's an engineering term, I should know. BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT.
2000 calories of greens and meat is clearly superior to 2000 calories of bread or sugar. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. The nutritional value of what you intake matters.

[Anonymous No.12528711]

>>12528703

[Anonymous No.12528724]

>>12528561
>If you provide your body with fat, it's going to burn fat
The keto diet doesn't magically make you burn more fat than a regular diet. It's supposed to help you eat less food overall because some people feel more full eating fats than carbs. It also might help you feel better because your body will be accustomed to metabolizing fat. You still need to eat a caloric deficit to lose weight on the keto diet

[Anonymous No.12528726]

>>12522600
i really, really hope that this was ironic post.
if not, yikes, how embarassing

[Anonymous No.12528730]

>>12528703

[Anonymous No.12528745]

>>12524947
Absolutely Cringe and Bluepilled

[Anonymous No.12528758]

>>12528703
The calorie is literally a unit of energy.

[Anonymous No.12528764]

>>12528703
>i don't know the difference between calories from carbs and fats

[Anonymous No.12528767]

>>12528764
You do realize that calories are not things, but a unit of measurement right?

[Anonymous No.12528774]

>>12519455
CICO works if you actually get off of your fat ass and DO WORK EVERY DAY

CICO doesnt work if you eat at a 1000 calories deficit and then have no energy and then your sit around doing nothing all day

Throught trial and error, you need to increase the workload on your body, and then adjust your calories intake and eat CLEAN.

CICO needs to be changed to

>CLEAN CALORIES IN ONLY
>WORK YOUR ASS OF 75 HOURS A WEEK SWEATING MORE THAN YOUVE EVER SWEAT BEFORE AND NEVER STOPPING OR HAVING CHEAT DAYS OR GIVING UP. ITS GOING TO HURT BUT YOUR BODY WILL ADAPT AND GROW STRONG

Then, CICO works.

But most people dont want to work hard and sweat all day everyday. Or they go to the gym for 20 minutes and think they've worked hard. Or they have a cheat day every other day after a week of eating clean.

TLDR.. CICO isnt a meme if you actually work hard and eat clean.

[Anonymous No.12528778]

>>12528767
Yeah. The carbs and fat you eat are all just units of measure, too.

[Anonymous No.12528780]

>>12528778
No, fat and carbs are actual things.

[Anonymous No.12528789]

>>12528780
Then stop arguing semantics

[Anonymous No.12528791]

>>12528774
Although I follow this method and it’s worked for me, that has a lot more to do with the amount of calories in unprocessed foods vs the processed ones. If you count up you will be a lot less satiated from one meal at Chile’s versus three home cooked meals.

[Anonymous No.12528799]

>>12528789
It's not semantics.

[Anonymous No.12528800]

>>12528791
Very true. A home cooked meal vs processed fast food = a win for the clean homemade food everytime

[Anonymous No.12528815]

>>12528711
You're goddamn right, bitch

[Anonymous No.12528821]

>>12528774
This x1000

I use to think calorie in/out was crap until i got a very physical job.

I started working very hard at work and sweating 40+ hours a week. Didnt change my diet a bit

Then after about 2 months i started eating better and hitting the gym a few times a week even after a long day at work. I cut out all the alcohol and sugar from what I ate

Fast forward 2 years and im down over 100 lbs and the strongest ive ever been. I never even count calories, so idk what my "Calories in" were.. But i worked so hard for the last 2 years that my "Calories Out" is sky high. I just tipped the scale in my favor and got busy and Poof shit worked

[Anonymous No.12528843]

>>12528774
It's good idea to see the fat you want to lose as a source of energy/food. If you create the need for energy, your liver will break down fat to fuel you. I've done fasted exercise where I did not eat anything for 20+ hours prior to a 2+ hour workout and I was able to do everything I wanted because my body was using fat as fuel. Body fat is just stored food that you're backpacking.

[Anonymous No.12528894]

>>12528774
>eat clean
What does this buzzphrase mean?

[Anonymous No.12528905]

It's one or more multiple of the below OP
1) Estimating instead of hard numbers
2) You never learned to count/add correctly
3) You never learned to measure correctly
4) Approximating/calculating food caloric values significantly short
5) Significantly overestimating/calculating caloric expenditure

My smartwatch gives me a pretty accurate reading of my caloric expenditure every day.. When I quota my daily nutrition (as on a cut) and keep it under 1500 I'm typically at a deficit of 1000-1500. And you know what happens? Surprise surprise, because fat has about 3500 cal per pound I lose about 2 lbs in those weeks. Electrical impedance scale tells me no significant muscle mass loss and my water percentage only goes up because fuck kidney stones so I drink water like wall street did coke in the 80s.

[Anonymous No.12528920]

>>12528703
>2000 calories of greens and meat is clearly superior to 2000 calories of bread or sugar.
>The nutritional value of what you intake matters.
No, the entire point of why calories are focused on so much as important is because of the many findings demonstrating how being overweight or obese is the top predictor for all manner of health problems. Despite what you might assume it actually is more important in most cases for fat people to lose weight than it is for them to eat any particular kinds of foods in reducing calories for weight loss.
A lot of fat people *believe* you can eat lots of calories and be overweight while still being healthier than all the people who aren't fat but eat junk food. But the reality is you bring upon yourself way worse health risk multipliers by being overweight than most any other common food related thing people do outside of blatantly eating rat poison.

[Anonymous No.12530334]

>>12522358
>Split shake with 5 people
>Each person still gets more calories than a whole chocolate bar
>???

[Anonymous No.12530421]

>>12519609
>What did you drink on your commute here?
A coffee
>was it black?
nah, it was a cappuccino
>anything else added to it?
just a bit of extra cream. i cannot drink coffee otherwise, its too bitter.

>see pic related in their car's cupholder
1300 FUCKING CALORIES!
A COFFEE PRODUCT CONTAINS 2 ENTIRE MEALS WORTH OF CALORIES

[Anonymous No.12530455]

>>12522349
>>12522698

I both agree that bullying is a necessary evil to growing up and disagree.

My main reason for disagreeing is when I went to school, the bullying stopped at your front door. You got 2 days off a week from it, and a 3 month break.
For the most part, the bullying stayed at school and rarely followed you home.
Graduation also marked the absolute end of bullying. (college doesnt count. you are an adult faggot and should not only know how to defend yourself but you now have access to all the tools to fight back)

Today, social media and anything internet related has made bullying a 24/7 enterprise. There are no breaks, there is no downtime, just endless harassment that can still follow you long after graduation. ruin future prospects, job opportunities, etc.

The bullying today is a whole different animal than when some of us grew up.

[Anonymous No.12530493]

>>12519455
Can somebody post the picture of fatty who used a tracking app and added the packaging of a burger or something. She was also "denying" that some foods have calories. Somebody PLEASE post that

[Anonymous No.12530534]

>>12522349
>>12522355
>>12522573
Actually studies show that said people being bullied about shameful qualities
were actually less likely to do something about those qualities. The cases about people who get sick of being bullied and do something about it are the rare exceptions rather than the norm, despite what you might guess intuitively. Bullying destroys motivation faster and more easily than it can create it.

[Anonymous No.12530640]

>>12522241
>Fat acceptance seems to be more about trying to get folks not to constantly shit on fat people.
no, maybes that's what i was at one point, or what they said
But now its about making people believe the lie that being fat is healthy, or that for some people its impossible for them to lose weight

[Anonymous No.12530642]

>>12519609
After a year of dieting (im a bigboi and its been working wonders) i finally feel full after eating only one serving of good and believe me i have that shit controlled
Its a wierd experience eating only two regular size pizza slices and not being able to get another bite or having a los calorie cereal bar in the afternoon and not craving anything more

[Anonymous No.12530646]

>>12522349
you mean truth
bullying is horrible, but hurting someone's feelings isnt necessary bullying
they need to be told the turth even if it hurts them, and not maliciously

[Anonymous No.12530698]

>>12530455
>has made bullying a 24/7 enterprise
It hasn't. Name one relevant social media platform that doesn't let you block people.
If you're too retarded to block people, you shouldn't be allowed to use the internet unsupervised and you deserve any bullying you get.

[Anonymous No.12530712]

>>12530455
>get bullied by an asshole
>beat up asshole bully
>we become best friends
I pity people line you who choose to hold a grudge over enjoying your life

[Anonymous No.12530715]

>>12519455
>energy just accumulates on my body out of thin air

[Anonymous No.12530760]

>>12530455
Online bullying is 100% voluntary on the "victims" part. Your internet connection has an off switch, use it fatty.

[Anonymous No.12530765]

>>12519455
I'm losing 2.5lbs per week cycling for half an hour per day. It's great for fat burning.

[Anonymous No.12530786]

>different foods don't cause different hormonal reactions in the body

[Anonymous No.12530797]

>>12530786
>hormones make energy appear out of thin air

[Anonymous No.12530799]

>>12528637
>thermic effect aka energy utilization
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12174324

>postprandial thermogenesis which is basically "waste" heat from digestion
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11838888

>lower weight gain from low carb diet irrespective of calorie intake
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18175736

>literal debunk of MUH SEKUN LAW
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/

[Anonymous No.12530805]

>>12530534
no but I have a single anecdote that disproves those scientists! my feelings don't care about your facts!

[Anonymous No.12530853]

>>12530534
Link to the studies.

[Anonymous No.12530866]

>>12528894
Dont eat processed garbage. Dont eat processed sugar and sugary things. Dont eat greasy fast food. Dont eat white bread/rice/potatoes/pasta. Dont guzzle down drinks that are bad for you like soda and alcohol. Dont overeat in general

Do eat fresh fruits, vegetables, and meats that are prepared at home. Just eat clean. How can you be so stupid to not understand when your putting unhealthy shit in your body?

[Anonymous No.12530869]

>>12530866
Define the word "clean" in the context of food. Your rambling "explanation" didn't clarify.

[Anonymous No.12530893]

>>12530869
>>12530869
Clean= homecooked with fresh quality ingredients as opposed to processed, unhealthy, sugary, greasy, and gluttonous bullshit

You fatass retard

[Anonymous No.12530898]

>>12530893
Why not say healthy? What is "clean" about it as compared to the "unclean" food? Do you believe there is dirt in processed food?

[Anonymous No.12530926]

>>12530898
Semantic bullshit. Clean as in the food is good for your body. Just like unclean food isnt good for your body. You eat shitty unhealthy and unclean food, and you get fat and sick.

You eat clean, healthy, unprocessed food and you stay in good shape and ready to go about your day.

In general, homecooked food is cleaner than processed food. You dont think homecooked food is cleaner than food made in a shitty fast food joint or a warehouse by a machine pumping out 10,000 pounds a food a day? You know when you've washed you hands, but a restaurant worker could of used his bare hands to wipe his asshole minutes before serving you a dish with too much processed sugar and fat and additives that is horrible for your body and runs a rish of food poisoning too

It is amazing that your food addicition makes you unable to comprehend what eating healthy and clean is. Try eating less and losing some weight, fatty. Then your brain might clear out all the fat clogging your arteries around your brain, and then you'll be able to understand.

[Anonymous No.12530948]

>>12530926
Notice how I have never once argued that what you are trying to say is incorrect, only that your choice of words are vague and not clear. I'm sorry that you're so upset that you can't make yourself clearly understood. Perhaps some higher education may teach you the importance of word choice.

[Anonymous No.12530974]

>>12530926
Not that guy but you sound like a projecting fat fuck. I have a drink or processed food every once in a while and I'm not fat because I can control my calories. The fact that you are thus triggered and assume eating "unclean" automatically makes you fat speaks more of your self-control than it does of anything else.

[Anonymous No.12531036]

>>12530948
I think you're a fucking retard, I understood what he meant immediately.

[Anonymous No.12531055]

>>12530926
>>12530893
>>12530866
>>12528774

>hurduronlyeatvegtablesandchickenfromyourgraden
>posts Apollo
>DONT DRINK BOOZE REEEE
>greeks were buzzed 24/7

https://www.ancient.eu/article/944/wine-in-the-ancient-mediterranean/

[Anonymous No.12531203]

>>12530948
He sounds like a /fit/ cross poster who got butthurt about having to define his broscience jargon

[Anonymous No.12531210]

>>12519455
Ever wonder why you’re a fat cunt, anon?

[Anonymous No.12531580]

>>12522657
Have you considered throwing yourself into a woodchipper, i can guarantee you fast loss of adipose tissue.

[Anonymous No.12531600]

>>12519482

this... thermodynamics has nothing to do with how much fat your body is going to produce out of the material that you put through your digestive tract.

[Anonymous No.12531640]

>>12522661
Powerful and fat pozzitive statement by Dr.Eli Yidkowsky.

[Anonymous No.12531647]

>>12531600
The post you are agreeing with is saying the exact opposite of what you think it is, you stupid fuck.
And of course it's thermodynamics. It's about energy in and energy out. Yes, your body utilises different nutrients in different ways, but when you boil it down to calories it really is straightforward thermodynamics.
You can't have a fire without fuel.

[Anonymous No.12531668]

>>12531647

thermodynamics is completely irrelevant to nutrition. your body is not a fire. there is no comparison available. a rock the size of a golfball has around 10,000 calories in it depending on if it's more shale or more igneous. but you won't get fat if you eat it.

thermodynamics is not relevant. food is not 'energy' there's no such thing as 'energy' outside the context of a work or thermal system.

the thermodynamics metaphor is for unintelligent people.

[Anonymous No.12531731]

>>12531668
Thermodynamic calories are different from dietary calories which are defined by atwater factors.
Nobody's saying you can just eat gasoline because it has so many kilojoules of stored energy.

[Anonymous No.12531734]

>>12531668
>thermodynamics is completely irrelevant to nutrition.
We're not talking about nutrients. We're talking about energy and mass.

>your body is not a fire
Good thing food calories are measured with Atwater factors and not with a calorimeter

[Anonymous No.12531768]

>>12519455
thermodynamically this is true though. I dropped 99 lbs back in high school abiding by the basic math.

[Anonymous No.12531793]

>>12531668
The body is a thermal system, retard, and that rock couldn't feed an actual fire either.

[Anonymous No.12531911]

>eat healthy, plenty of fish, greens and lean meats
>practically never eat bread
>make all my shit myself, even my pasta
>occasionally dip into candy

i could probably effortlessly lose weight if i had a fucking proton of self-control with portion sizes

[Anonymous No.12531958]

>>12531911
Try skipping the pasta for a few weeks, you'll probably see progress. Real easy to eat a big bowl of pasta, not so easy when it's a big bowl of meat. If you like eating large amounts at one, try one-meal-a-day.

[Anonymous No.12531971]

>Develop healthier eating habits, be more active,and get on track to start losing weight with this easy-to-follow NHS Choices 12-week guide.
>If people are overweight, it’s usually because they eat and drink more calories than they need.
The NHS literally said its calories in calories out unless you have some kind of medical condition.
https://assets.nhs.uk/tools/download-panels/data/weight-loss/pdf/wlp1.pdf

[Anonymous No.12531975]

>>12531668
That's because 'calories' or 'energy' is used to refer to the energy released from breaking down macro-nutrients into water and carbon dioxide for energy that your body uses. When you lose weight, it is the molecules of water and carbon dioxide that were formerly fat, protein, or carbohydrates. So it really is thermodynamics, food goes in, gets broken down into carbon dioxide and water and leaves the body. Many people don't understand the chemical process of how food gets broken down and breathed out so it's simplified into calories but even some people are too dumb for that.

[Anonymous No.12531978]

>>12531911
keep a food log. it makes lying to yourself impossible.

[Anonymous No.12531979]

While Calories in - Calories out is the most important factor there are some small other factors. Mainly bloodsugar levels which are influenced by frequency of eating.

Certain diets cause fatigue and your body to conserve resources or seek to store things more than expend them. It's also how you eat.

[Anonymous No.12531990]

>>12522391
Pulmonary Embolisms aren't even caused by being overweight.

[Anonymous No.12532020]

>>12531958
I've had one meal a day since I was sixteen. The problem is, I can't be fucked taking just what I need for dinner out of whatever packaging the raw food comes in. 500grams of ground beef? The whole fucking thing is going in the pan. Red onion? I don't want some gnarly, old half-onion in my fridge. Chuck the whole thing in.

So one, healthy meal that could feed a fucking family, and I slurp it all down like the hippo I am.

>>12531978
I've admitted my problem to myself years ago, broheim. I'm not looking for answers, because I know them. I am literally just too much of a pig to change my ways.

[Anonymous No.12532040]

>>12531990
Being overweight increases risk of embolisms, pulmonary and otherwise.
I don't know that particular person's story, though.

[Anonymous No.12532053]

>>12532020
Sounds like you cook in bulk. Get some tupperware, figure out how many servings a batch should make, and don't serve yourself until those other servings are in the fridge. Make a plan every time you go to the store that you are there to purchase the necessary ingredients for X days worth of food, and nothing else. You could also divide the raw ingredients up when you get it back from the store.

I had a similar problem, until I figured out my laziness could be used for good, in that I was too lazy go drive back to the store, so unless I wanted to go hungry for the next few days, I had to only eat /some/ of what I cooked.

[Anonymous No.12532152]

>>12522600
Did you get run out of /v/ or some other board?

[Anonymous No.12532279]

>drink water (0 calories)
>gain weight

explain this thermodynamictards

[Anonymous No.12532371]

>>12532279
You won't, except for in the short term before the water leaves you again.

[Anonymous No.12532414]

>>12530853
https://pastebin.com/raw/wzVTMvmZ

here's two for fat shaming specifically. 4chan detected them as spam so I had to throw them on pastebin

[Anonymous No.12532466]

>>12520660
Fat doesn’t make you fat. That’s not how it works. Carbs don’t make you fat. Protein doesn’t make you fat. Eating more than you need does. You are blatantly ignoring how nutrition works.

[Anonymous No.12532707]

>not eating 100 caloreis of plain cheerios everyday for breakfast

Amateurs

[Anonymous No.12532720]

>>12519515
>boldface

[Anonymous No.12532911]

>>12519455
Every single person I met who lost weight ate less and stuck with it.
Every single person who didn't constantly ate shit and pretended like they didn't.
Just my own experiences though.

[Anonymous No.12533055]

>>12522208
That's the dumbest shit I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.12533085]

>>12521734
>how do you see your body getting fat and not care?
Depression.

[Anonymous No.12533091]

>>12522208
>We break the laws of thermodynamics everyday
Quality zozzle. Thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.12533125]

>>12532911
"Weight loss" isn't really a concern to me in the fat fuck sense although I would like to dump about 3 pounds off my midsection as it's equivalent to a $5000 parts upgrade on my bike

I will say that the CiCo cult is for stupid, gross, sedentary types who have literally never exerted themselves in their lives. Try doing regular weight training and endurance cycling and then tell me that you can realistically subsist off sugar donuts and twinkies as long as your calorie count is met

[Anonymous No.12533129]

>>12519455
fatty detected

[Anonymous No.12533146]

>>12533125
Cico isn't a method for weight loss/weight gain, it's the explanation for weight change. You lose weight because of cico but you obtain that calorie count with whatever your diet is.

[Anonymous No.12533159]

>>12533146
That's an overly charitable view and does not in any way approximate the mindset of the typical CiCo garbage you see posted on the internet

[Anonymous No.12533164]

>>12521734
Mental illness. I put on 100 pounds after my father died cuz I was in a depression and didn't want to do anything but sit on the couch and eat take out.

[Anonymous No.12533212]

>>12533159
I'm explaining how it should be, ie. someone eats a ketogenic to help them eat less calories overall. I wasn't defending the people who tout cico as a 'method' of weight loss

[Anonymous No.12533219]

>>12533159
cico is just a way to shame delusional fat people

[Anonymous No.12533343]

>>12530455
>The bullying today is a whole different animal than when some of us grew up.
The bullying today is actually much tamer than when I grew up.

[Anonymous No.12533354]

>>12533212
The terms you're looking for are "calorie restriction", for just eating fewer calories of the same diet, and where you eat until satiated ( in this case, eating fewer calories by virtue of what you're eating) is referred to as "ad libitum"

[Anonymous No.12533575]

>>12533354
Probably didn't articulate it well but I was trying to point out the difference between 'how much you eat' vs 'what you eat'

[Anonymous No.12533597]

>>12533575
Yes, precisely. I'm just offering the technical terms you could use to more precisely describe it. I too am continually frustrated by the mooing of the "just eat less!" cattle.

[Anonymous No.12533626]

>>12530799
>>12532414

I low how the posts with actual linked journal articles are ignored for old /fit/ tales

[Anonymous No.12533681]

>>12533626
No one is against the idea that the type of food you eat affects your body differently and that everyone's body is a little different. The differences aren't big enough to undermine the fact that your body's fat and lean mass composition is directly related to how much food you eat and your physical activity levels assuming you eat a 'balanced' diet

[Anonymous No.12533754]

>>12530698
>>12530760

incorrect
allow the bullying to take place, child's grades suffer, prosecute parents for defamation, parents forced to move out of district due to financial reasons, bully removed.
except that one kid who violated the no contact order which resulted in a very hilarious bankruptcy.

is it dirty? yes.
is it effective? fuck yes

[Anonymous No.12534204]

>>12521128
How are fat people stupid when you just showed how easy it is to eat over your daily limit in one meal? Not everyone has the tile meticulously check the calories on every single serving of every ingredient they put into a dish. Hell I had gained weight on OMAD and I didn't go back for seconds or anything.

[Anonymous No.12534218]

>>12519482
I was arguing with my sister in-law about CICO. She said some people's bodies would rather starve to death than burn fat storage, and that it's not my place to judge fat people.

[Anonymous No.12534222]

Yet nobody can explain how some people can eat insane amounts of food daily without exercise yet not gain weight. I documented this with a skinny friend of mine who ate junk every day. He said he wasn't doing anything secretive. No exercises, no tapeworms (to his knowledge) no drugs, etc.

[Anonymous No.12534229]

>>12534222
I don't know what metabolism is either

[Anonymous No.12534231]

Reminder that anyone advocating against CICO for weight loss (WEIGHT loss, body composition is another matter) is preaching pseudoscience and should be categorically ignored.

[Anonymous No.12534232]

>>12528392
You have shitty genetics

[Anonymous No.12534235]

>>12534229
Then you're admitting theres more than just CICO to consider and that people with slow or fast metabolism can have vastly different results.

[Anonymous No.12534236]

>>12534235
I don't know what calories out means either

[Anonymous No.12534237]

>>12534222
>nobody can explain this stupid anecdotal shit i bullshitted
Cool

[Anonymous No.12534250]

>>12534222
Did you log everything he did for 24/7? You can't really deduce someone's diet and exercise because you see a few snapshots of their day. Also taller people have bigger BMR's than shorter people. There is no 'fast' or 'slow' metabolism, your metabolism is a direct result of the energy demands you put on your body.

[Anonymous No.12534251]

>>12534222
Same with me
Probably just some metabolism shit

[Anonymous No.12534255]

>>12534250
Get a load of this brainlet

[Anonymous No.12534256]

>>12534235
Yes, metabolic differences account for a range of at maximum +/- 10% TDEE as calculated by height/weight
Metabolic factors are essentially irrelevant, even with on the most powerful of thermogenics - unless you're using DNP, anyway

[Anonymous No.12534266]

>>12534255
Don't get mad at me because you can't accept that your weight is a direct result of what you do to your own body.

[Anonymous No.12534270]

>>12534266
yeah, but you're a stupid faggot

[Anonymous No.12534297]

>>12534222
Just because you consider walking up a staircase as exercise doesn't mean your friend has to

[Anonymous No.12534305]

>>12534204
Seriously? Taking a minute to check your food's calories is some kind of overtly difficult task? Also, it's pretty intuitive to realize that's an excessive breakfast. Not to mention it's not one meal, you don't become fat overnight, you have to eat at a surplus repeatedly.

[Anonymous No.12534315]

>>12534305
Counting their calories would lead them to face the reality of how much they actually eat and accept the blame is their own. Obviously, it's easier to just assume you eat very little and blame everything else

[Anonymous No.12534431]

>>12534204
>Guy uses ~1cup of double cream on his cereal.
>But how could he have known?????

Even children understand that cream is calorie dense. Even if you were too lazy to read the packaging, you would have to be sub-80 IQ not to realize that that amount of cream is significant.

[Anonymous No.12534469]

>>12522208
>we break the rules of thermodynamics

[Anonymous No.12535932]

>be student medfag
>want to go into bariatrics
>reading this thread
>slowly realising the level of delusion some of these people have
>ignore strong evidence in favour of "I probably have x, y and z condition"
>refuse to go to doctor to confirm suspicion
>reject potential help for x, y and z condition
>people remain overweight/obese phoning in x, y and z condition as excuse

It might be more a psychological issue than is given credit, the statistics on child abuse to a higher weight in later life is startling and is attributed to developing a food addiction. Please bear in mind that some of these unfortunate people have experienced physical or sexual abuse as children and so may not have the mental capacity to respond in a manner you find acceptable.