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12402877 No.12402877 [Reply] [Original]

>when your nation has so much surplus cheese it just buries it underground
Is the dairy industry unsustainable?

>> No.12402899

>>12402877
In the fact that they refuse to just lower the sales price of cheese, which would stimulate the market, yes.

>> No.12402912

>>12402877
Why lower the price of cheese when it ages? Cheese is only semi perishable

>> No.12402924

cheese is simply one of the worst foods on the planet, health wise.
give it to the starving africans or something.

>> No.12402931

>>12402924
How is it bad for you

>> No.12402941

>>12402924
>give it to the starving africans or something.
The stuff being buried is all the extra after they have given it to schools, people on welfare, elderly on social security, and food pantries.

>> No.12403055
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>> No.12403062
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>>12403055
As usual, vegetarians/vegans are lying shitlords because they don't have an argument.

>> No.12403065

>>12402899
cheese is basically free already. we pay for the gas and refrigeration costs

>> No.12403069

>>12402912
Because there is a surplus of millions of pounds of it. If you lower the price, it will move.

>> No.12403075

>>12402877
>unsustainable
Wouldn't having way too much supply mean the opposite? They're apparently having a very easy time producing way more than they would ever need to. Sounds extremely sustainable.

>> No.12403077

>>12403065
Obviously not free enough.

>> No.12403087

>>12403075
I think the issue is they are producing so much because the government is buying it.

>> No.12403091

>>12403075
I think he means the subsidies to the dairy industry, it’s unsustainable because the market is being propped up with subsidies for a product no one wants to buy.

>> No.12403110

>>12402877
unsustainable in the way it is currently managed yes

the US claims that reducing their impact on the environment would break the economy but then they do shit like this

its all corrupt subsidies

>> No.12403114

>>12402899
It's literally controlled by a monopoly dictating supply and prices, why would they lower them?

>> No.12403123
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12403123

>tfw wandering the wasteland in 2028 and stumble upon cheese vault

>> No.12403125

>>12403077
its like $2 a pound cant get much closer to free than that

>> No.12403127

>>12403091
What if they go out of buisiness and we have another war where we have to feed 300 million starving Europeans again?

>> No.12403133

>>12403114
Because now they are literally choking on cheese and storage costs are adding up.

>> No.12403140

>>12403110
You have no idea what you're talking about and would collapse any economy given any level of control. You really think shit is simple don't you? I'd almost put money on you being a straight ticket Democrat, you simple minded piece of shit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/28/americas-cheese-stockpile-just-hit-an-all-time-high/?utm_term=.47c2251e0671

>> No.12403141

>>12403125
And yet they cannot sell what they have.

>>12403127
Oh well. Cook the fat ones.

>> No.12403200

>>12403127
I would prefer if we let them starve.

>> No.12403289

>>12403140
>quantitive cheesing

Heh

>> No.12403322

>>12403140
>If I'm a cheese producer then I deserve gibmedat's but no one else does, ok?
Wew, lad!

>> No.12403335

>>12403141
Americans eat 35 pounds of cheese a year each. I eat tons of cheese because its so cheap

>> No.12403362
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>>12402899
>>12403125
White American (basically pre-aged cheddar) is over $6/lb. here.

>> No.12403366

>>12403362
… Sometimes.

E.g., Land O'Lakes.

>> No.12403409

>>12403322
Well, there's no money explicitly for children who didn't have economics in middle-school or high-school, or failed out, but maybe you should write someone.

>> No.12403420

>>12403362
thats enough cheese for a family of like 4 for the week. 6$. We really should place more value on our food so the people who make/process/gather it dont all have to be 3rd world immigrants

>> No.12403446

>>12403055
why is the pump above ground? that's where all the heat is

>> No.12403447

>>12403091
There are no dairy subsidies retard. OP's pic is the private property of Kraft Inc.

>> No.12403449

>>12403420
I had about half a pound yesterday, which is only some 900 Cals. (I'm plausibly some 13% BF.)

>> No.12403460

>>12403447
When you have a standing law that the government will purchase the surplus if requested, i’d call that a subsidy, a bailout, etc,... semantics.

>> No.12403468

>>12403447
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/dairy-subsidies-government-farm-programs-surplus-cheese/

>> No.12403484
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>>12403420
>half an ounce (14g) of cheese is enough for each person per day for a week
Hear the trumpets hear the pipers...

>> No.12403489

>>12403460
The article literally said they didn't ask the USDA to buy it, therefore they are receiving no subsidies. They may access a relief program though and there is nothing wrong with this.

>> No.12403521

>>12403420
you must have grown up poor subsidizing on your cheese rations, because a pound is not a lot.

>> No.12403527

>>12403521
>subsidizing on your cheese rations
Subsisting?

>> No.12403551

>>12403489
Oops you got btfo by this >>12403468 you sad little fuck.

>> No.12403560

>>12402877
>unsustainable
>has existed for literally hundreds upon hundreds of years
The US uber-capitalist dairy industry is unsustainable but overall it's fine.

>> No.12403605

>>12403551
>clickbait.com
Neat

>> No.12403637

>>12403055
oh so its not actual cheese, its some kraft lab invention

i was worried this was the EU cheesemonger export repository in denmark or something

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>>12403521
I had to tear up a slice to find out what the fuck he was talking about. This is his daily ration of cheese per person.

God help his family of four.

>> No.12403733

>>12403654
Seems about right.

>> No.12403752

>>12402941
then give them MOAR

>> No.12403940

>>12403489
Each year, in fact, taxpayers fork over more than $20 billion to subsidize corn, soybeans, wheat, cotton, rice, dairy and a few other commodities.

>> No.12404037

>>12402877
I just got word that a 100 head dairy farm near me shut down the entire cattle operation, sold off the cows and he's going to crop farm the land. This is a lifelong experienced dairy farmer. (Who owns his own land not some extended newbie)

>> No.12404095

>>12403446
the brine has to be chilled further than underground ambient to actually cool the warehouse. in order to chill the brine, you have to dissipate the heat somewhere, and it won't dissipate fast enough if the chilling station is underground.

>> No.12404208

>>12403489
The USDA quit buying the cheese (for the good old gov'ment cheese program) back in the 90s, but certain government programs can still request it, and the USDA can again request it at any time as part of their deal. That's why they're still keeping that huge storage facility.

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>>12403055
>be wageslaving in the cheese mines
>explosions right and left
>King Kraft tells me its fine
>orders me back underground for my weekly shift, wont see the big gouda in the sky for another 120 hours

>> No.12404232

>>12404224
>>12403055
>tfw yellow lung after years of work in the cheese mines

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>>12404232
>wife gets cream (cheese) pie'd while youre at work literally every day
>wife has the gall to bitch at you for mixing a rum and muscle milk as soon as you enter the house
>you start to sneak an extra one before bed in order to simply feel comfortable falling asleep next to essentially a stranger

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>>12404224

thank you for bettering my day extensivly

>> No.12406263

I just want cheap swiss & parm god dammit

>> No.12406543

>>12403654
Do you people really eat cheese everyday? Are you obese?

>> No.12407479

>>12403362
you can't make that out of stockpiled dairy

>> No.12407496

>>12406543
yes, no

>> No.12407498

>>12403055
>The great north american cheese mines

>> No.12407510

>>12406543
I heard there are pills to help with lactose intolerance, and sometimes they work in strong cases of sour grapes.

>> No.12407542

>>12404224
Baste and cheesepilled

>> No.12407550

>>12403362
>american
>white
>american
>cheese

>> No.12407580

>>12403449
>i only had half a pound of cheese yesterday
t. american

>> No.12407592

>>12402877
>right now people posting in places like /k/ and /out/ literally think there will be "a habbening" in the US in their lifetime when things like this and grain surplus exist

>> No.12407646

>>12402877
if managed correctly yes. if your a tree hugging greenie no.
how it normaly works:

>>calf gets farmed into cow
>>cow eats the grass
>>cow is milked daily
>>milk is sent to factory to be pasturised/turned into solids (powder)/cheese production/yogurt or sold raw (no real difference in taste)
>>cow gives birth to new calf dead calfs sold as veal
>>cow sold as beef and skin for leather production
>>bulls only used for breeding and meat but bulls leather highly prized due to less imprefections (stretch marks)
>>process repeats

cheese is stuck underground to age it because; no refrigeration in the ye olde tiimes and cheese needs to age to get the skin on it and ferment the cheese

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>>12407592
Call me on your functioning cell phone after you've driven to the still functioning kraft caverns to survive off of after a catastrophe. Be sure to bring some cold weather gear as the refrigerated warehouse is at 36 degrees to prevent spoilage. Don't worry though, you won't have to worry about running into all the maintenance workers required to keep the place running, they'll probably have left.

>> No.12407857

>>12403752
MOAAAAARRRRR!?

>> No.12407910
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>>12407479
Some types of American are made from other cheeses, especially Cheddar.

>>12407550
>American cheese
>specifically, made from milk, etc.
Yes.

>>12407580
An estimated skinny metric was already posted.

>> No.12407924

There are huge reserves of almost any food stuff. Do you think they grow/process all of it and just ship it out to the grocery store, hoping for the best? They can't respond to demand going straight from the cow's teat to Kroger.

This goes for meat, grains, sugar, nearly anything that can be successfully stored for extended periods. Things that perish relatively quickly are where you will see huge price swings and sales, like fresh milk, eggs, and produce. The harvest comes in, it's of a certain quality, and the going rate is how much the farmer makes.

At this very moment there are tens of millions of pounds of bacon locked away across this fine land. They'll process it and send it to the store when it makes financial sense (sale price, consumer demand, current trends (precooked? maple? thick cut? etc))

>> No.12407951

>>12407910
you're right, I thought it was ordinary white cheddar. never seen white processed cheese before besides swiss on fast food burgers

>> No.12407961

>>12403654

how much cheese do you fucking eat

>> No.12407972

>>12403420
I was getting that a household of 2, especially on – else – very strict ingredients, are capable of 1 lb. / 2 days. $3 / day is sorta a lot for something that's really "optional".

>>12407951
Deli American is some of the greatest, most unique cheese – very creamy; somewhat sweet – even ages unto some cheddar flavoring.

>> No.12408002

>>12407961
I probably ate 5 ounces of cheese today

>> No.12408074

>>12407924
>tens of millions of pounds of bacon locked away
>current amerilard bacon resembles 19th century bacon which didn't require refrigeration.
The current amerilard incarnation of "bacon" style product is injected with a chemical solution, tumbled, cryovac'd and frozen. It is extremely perishable like any other meat. Do you know what it would cost to hold that much meat in a freezer? Your pound of bacon would cost $50, idiot.

>> No.12408078

>>12408002
113lbs of cheese a year or almost $700 worth of cheese

>> No.12408096

>you will never work the cheese mines

>> No.12408105

>>12407961
More than 2/3s of a slice at a time. What kind of fucking agent of starvation of you? 14g is how you sell drugs, not how you eat cheese. Also I'm not >>12408002.

Seriously, what the hell. Don't defend 14g of cheese. An MLB pitcher could throw that and not bruise an infant.

>> No.12408113

>>12403055
Underground living is the future

>> No.12408116

>>12403125
What ooga booga land do you live in that sells it so cheap? It's $3 for a quarter pound bag of shredded cheese over here.

>> No.12408122

>>12406543
>he must be obese for eating a sugar free protein snack
Cheese is incredibly filling

>> No.12408130

>>12406543
That's more of a European thing. Ask them about the obesity risks of eating more than one slice of cheese.

>> No.12408138

>>12407972
Shh. If it gets out that not all American cheese is Velveeta crap, it'll become another hipster food and triple in cost

>> No.12408224

>>12408078
so? Even your somewhat high 7/pound figure shows that you can't save a drastic amount by virtually eliminating cheese.
you're probably buying something else that's expensive and unnecessary without realizing it.

>> No.12408295

I will never understand why all of this excess dairy isn't turned into a longer lasting, well aged, higher value cheese. Its going to be sitting around in storage anyway, why not use that time to make something more awesome?
It really would benefit everyone to make better tasting cheese, also hard, dry, aged cheeses last longer and command a higher price.
If its really going to waste, we can always dump it on niggers of the 3rd world in name of "charity". Its better than letting our own dairy economy collapse, and niggers and spics do love themselves some cheddar, sho' nuff. People who think excess food is a bad thing are fucking retarded.

>> No.12408303

>>12408295
Some yuppie with a bachelors in marketing says highest profit margin is whatever they’re doing now, and the consultant they fired 10 people for to pay his $300k contract agrees.

>> No.12408307

>>12408295
it's not europe. there's a limited demand for gourmet cheese from the US.

>> No.12408314

>>12403123
What will emanate the wasteland, anon? I want to prepare myself.

>> No.12408315

>>12403125

It's like $3 for half a pound where I am, LAND OF THE FREE

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>>12403123
>wandering the wasteland in 2028 and stumble upon cheese vault
>tfw lactose intolerant

>> No.12408330

>>12403123
Pass out from stench

>> No.12408346

>>12403123

>Wandering the wasteland and find a vault full of canned goods
>No can opener

fuck the future

>> No.12408390

>>12408307
The point is to absolutely decimate the market for expensive cheese.
Fuck those protectionist bastards, sorry Parmigiano-Reggiano, your trademark is obsolete, and the price of equivalent product just plummeted to $3 a pound. Lets turn our excess surplus into something good and not low grade government mild cheddar. The raw ingredients are damn near the same, theres no reason to produce crappy cheese, ever. We have time.

>> No.12408396

>>12408113
This, honestly.

>> No.12408457

>>12408346
Give a bitch a pina colada, she'll wonder what's in your wallet.
Give a bitch a coconut, she'll sober up or cut her hands off.

>> No.12408489

>>12403362
That's a fucking wegman's label if I ever saw one

>> No.12408511

>>12408489
>Walmart on the button, with address
>phone number checks out to address
Yep, it's a Wegmans. Not at all like you could all the fucking store lol.

>> No.12408617

>>12408390
That replies' argument is deeper than that. A large percentage of cheese purchased is annatto cheddar, which is gross. Annatto has the flavoring of "neutral sulfur", similar to spoiled rice flour. … It's powdery also.

>$3/lb.
As mentioned, even White American is $6. Obviously, the supply's standards are being met enough for storehousing.

What *is* plausible is somebody making deals with them.

>> No.12408807

>>12408321
There's no lactose in cheese.

>> No.12408812

>>12408346
>not just stabbing your friends with an icicle then getting turned into mouth-less blob
getta load a this guy

>> No.12408816

>>12408807
Little lactose there is still some usually but not much.

>> No.12408825

>>12404208
OPs pic is the private property of Kraft Inc.

>> No.12408827

>>12408812
based and tedpilled

>> No.12408828
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>>12408807
Tell that to my toilet after I fucking blow enough chunks and with such force that it looks like I entered a mud wrestling tournament.

>> No.12408853

>>12403200
>let the Europeans starve
You poor, dumb, worthless minority. The correct answer is to transfer that starvation onto the middle east, China, or Africa somehow.

>> No.12408876

>>12403654
That's not even enough for a cheese stick or a cheddar snack square.

>> No.12408889

>>12406543
What the hell sort of stupid-ass post is this?
Snack sized cheese sticks and squares are arguably one of the greatest choices for between meals.

>> No.12408892

>>12407550
Nobody's going to get that joke here.

>> No.12409421

>>12402877

At the moment, yes, but it could be made sustainable.

>> No.12409638

>>12408617
What I don't get is why doesn't some artisan faggot (there are millions of them being churned out) snap up all this incredibly cheap milk and crap out better products, still at a fair price?
The economics seem solid enough, and plenty of them are flush with cash when boomer daddy dies and leaves that nest egg.
There is still no excuse for crappy cheese to be produced. Its minimal extra effort to make better cheeses.

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>>12408892

>> No.12409695

>>12408828
You might have a casein allergy if cheese makes you sick. Most hard cheese has basically 0g of lactose per serving, and even lactose intolerant people can drink about a cup of milk without getting sick.

>> No.12410208

>>12406543
cheese has good macros you dumb faggot

>> No.12410482

>>12409638
Cheap milk=bad cheese. Cheese is like 3 ingredients if your milk is bulk all grain fed garbage your cheese is irredeemable.