/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.12338759]

Would you rather eat from the left or the right?

[Anonymous No.12338763]

Right, as would any reasonable person.

[Anonymous No.12338768]

>>12338759
Right but how much more expensive is it

[Anonymous No.12338769]

>>12338768
In my experience, a couple of bucks more. Worth it, especially since you should be eating less meat anyway.

[Anonymous No.12338773]

>>12338759
Right.

We eat the animals for our pleasure, the least we can do is give them a decent-ish life so that we may fully wnjoy the meal. The left is fucking sick man

RIP Cow bros

[Anonymous No.12338781]

>>12338759
I can't tell the quality of the meat from either of those pics.

[Anonymous No.12338787]

>>12338781
Though I do tend to prefer duck and pork over cow and chicken.

[Anonymous No.12338789]

>>12338768
7.82 euros/kg for a chicken on the left
22.95 euros/kg for a chicken on the right

[Anonymous No.12338791]

>>12338773
this

[Anonymous No.12338799]

>>12338769
>especially since you should be eating less meat anyway.

we "shouldn't" be doing anything of the sort. meat is healthy and a requirement for good health.

[Anonymous No.12338800]

Left the farming on the right is inefficient and damaging to the environment. Farming should be centralized to minimize environmental impact

[Anonymous No.12338807]

>>12338773
pretty sure the left with the pigs is done to prevent the mothers crushing the piglets to death. the mothers will often roll onto the piglets and suffocate / crush them unless they are prevented from doing so.

[Anonymous No.12338808]

>>12338799
you should, studies showed it increases the cardiovascular diseases

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/eating-red-meat-daily-triples-heart-disease-related-chemical

[Anonymous No.12338816]

>>12338800
the left is actually damaging the environment even more by rejecting too much nitrogen in the environment, creating a overforwth of algaes in rivers and oceans

[Anonymous No.12338817]

>>12338808
epidemiological studies are as good as bunk

[afatoldman No.12338820]

>>12338759
If all farms were as low intensity as the one on the right, half the world would starve.

[Anonymous No.12338822]

>>12338800
pretty sure that wouldn't happen in extensive farms such as this one

[Anonymous No.12338825]

>>12338816
the farms on the right create the same amount of waste its just spread out causing the same damage over a wider area

[Anonymous No.12338826]

>>12338759
Oooh decisions, decisions. Don't you guys just love suggestive questions? Some fucktard jerk treating you like an animal on the left?

At least get your spelling right, assclown.

[Anonymous No.12338828]

>>12338820
Isn't that already the case?

[Anonymous No.12338832]

>>12338820
It would not.
People would buy less proteins from meat and more from cheap protein sources such as cheese, eggs, soy
Also in the west many people eat more proteins than they really need
Body needs less than 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. That's not much

[Anonymous No.12338836]

>>12338825
>the farms on the right create the same amount of waste
It does not for it's extensive farming and by definition less concentrated and therefore not overfilling the oil with nitrogen

[Anonymous No.12338849]

>>12338763
>>12338768
>>12338773
>>12338791

Oh yes, it's easy to say that you want them to have a good life, but when you're standing in front of the shelves, you'll just pick cheap shit again.

Talking is easy. Actually doing something for once is not.

We're fucked.

[Anonymous No.12338855]

>>12338849
I actually buy the meat from the right.

[Anonymous No.12338859]

Left, it is much cheaper
t. lives on a small farm

[Anonymous No.12338862]

>>12338759
whichever is cheaper. which is probably the left.

[Anonymous No.12338867]

left is pork and chicken?
right is beef and chicken?
So either way I have to eat chicken?
I'm a beef man, mysefl.

[Anonymous No.12338870]

>>12338862
>>12338859
If you'rre looking for cheap animal proteins, meat is not the best choice

[Anonymous No.12338872]

Cows are annoying bastards
Anything that causes them discomfort is a plus

[Anonymous No.12338878]

>>12338870
no, i'm looking for cheap meat that tastes like animals.

[Anonymous No.12338881]

>>12338870
What if I'm looking for cheap meat?

[Anonymous No.12338894]

>>12338817
Right, fat fucks on 4chan are more reliable

[Anonymous No.12338899]

>>12338881
>>12338878
if you want quality for the same price there are solutions.
You can buy a whole chicken from extensive farming and cut it instead of buying chicken breasts from intensive farming.
You'll get the same price per kg at the end minus the effort taken to cut it of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSvzRyu2h5g

[Anonymous No.12338908]

>>12338899
why don't i just buy a whole chicken from intensive farming and get an even better deal?

[Anonymous No.12338912]

>>12338908
because you already buy chicken breasts and you're fine with it?

[Anonymous No.12338913]

>>12338759
Neither. Carnists who preach about “humane slaughter” are some of the dumbest fucks on the planet

[Anonymous No.12338914]

>>12338912
So if I'm looking to be more efficient why not actually be more efficient?

[Anonymous No.12338920]

>>12338914
then dont pretend you can't afford extensive farming when you already can

[Anonymous No.12338923]

>>12338912
? if you make exact comparisons, whole chicken to whole chicken, breast to breast etc etc. intensively farmed chicken will be cheaper than extensive chickens no matter what.

[Anonymous No.12338924]

>>12338849
I wait untill the meat on the right is close to the best before date and buy it for cheap.

[Anonymous No.12338927]

>>12338923
see my answer here>>12338920

[Anonymous No.12338930]

>>12338924
smart

[Anonymous No.12338931]

>>12338927
i never said i can't afford it, it's that im looking for the best price that will satisfy my desire to eat meat. that happens to be intensive farmed meat. I can afford a Ferrari, doesn't mean it's a smart thing to buy.

[Anonymous No.12338934]

>>12338931
If you can afford it, then it's just a matter of choice to you
Do what you want anon

[Anonymous No.12338939]

>>12338934
yeah i know it's a matter of choice and the choice is whatever gives the best price for the taste of meat to me. which is intensively farmed animals. i'll be the first one to jump ship if science can create meat that tastes exactly like the meat we have today but cheaper. i don't particularly care about animals, i got my own problems to deal with.

[Anonymous No.12338949]

>>12338939
I on the other hand conside that the meat on the left is unhealthy and unethical and worth a few pennies more. I think health is priceless and should be of anyone's concern

[Anonymous No.12338962]

>>12338949
meh, you can't live forever, mind as well enjoy it while you can. over time the money i save will buy me either more meat or more stuff. i'm already resigned to the fact that im going to die, a few years here or there don't matter to me.

[Anonymous No.12338970]

>>12338962
>over time the money i save
you're not gonna save millions not even thousands or hundreds over many years

[Anonymous No.12338982]

>>12338970
hrm depends on how much you eat or how many mouths you feed. but every dollar i save from not eating the premium version means i'll be able to buy more of the budget version. and I've tried both versions, i don't notice a difference at all when i blind tasted them, my buds are primitive.

[Anonymous No.12338984]

>>12338982
Do you have many mouth to feed?

[Anonymous No.12338986]

>>12338984
4 in total.

[Anonymous No.12338994]

>>12338986
if you want to save money don't buy meat, there are other animal proteins much cheaper.
Also>>12338924 is a good advice and >>12338832 this is a good advice too. Not to mention that buying in bulk is also cheaper
Go to a farmer, buy in bulk and put it on a freezer

[Anonymous No.12339005]

>>12338994
it's not about the proteins -_-, it's about the taste of meat. i buy bulk already whenever they are on sale at costco, have an extra freezer for them. farmers markets are not convenient or cheap where i live.

[Anonymous No.12339021]

>>12339005
>it's about the taste of meat
Dude why do you make 4 children if you can't afford it anyway?

[Anonymous No.12339025]

>>12338759
Idgaf if the animals suffer, I just want the one that tastes better but is a reasonable price. You can't expect me to change the whole fucking industry just by not buying certain brands, that won't do shit. If you can convince me that x hippy-dippy organic grassfed whatever the fuck brand is a better purchase for reasons other than emotions about fucking chickens, then that's what I'll get. Until then, go fuck yourself with a cucumber.

[Anonymous No.12339036]

>>12339025
Grass fedx free range always tastes better than caged up corn fed beef

[Anonymous No.12339044]

>>12339005
>it's about the taste of meat
I got used to eat quality meat and I can assure you I can tell the difference now when I eat back cheap meat in the supermarket

[Anonymous No.12339047]

>>12338855
>>12338849
i get pissed off by the insincere panderind they do on the labels

>Dr Mom's Grass-fred whole grain free range non-gmo no Hormone's added Beef from Iowa!

[Anonymous No.12339054]

>>12339021
? who said i can't afford it. just because i don't want to blow money on premium brands doesn't mean i'm poor.

>>12339044

well let's hope i don't find myself in that position. ignorance is bliss, last i checked they all tasted similar to me in a blind test.

[Anonymous No.12339059]

>>12338759
>Would you rather eat from the left or the right?
left because it uses less land and is more efficient and less polluting.

[Anonymous No.12339060]

>>12339047
How does it work in the US?
In France we have labels controlled by the state
''label rouge''
''poulet fermier''
''élevé en liberté''

[Anonymous No.12339063]

>>12339025
They have better flavor if they're pasteured similar to pasteured pork having better flavor than caged and warehoused pork. It's probably just an adolescent edgy stage for you, but as you transition to adulthood if you don't begin to develop empathy for other life forms, seek help.

[Anonymous No.12339065]

>>12339059
raed this>>12338816

[Anonymous No.12339066]

Left. Seems like they're more tender.

[Anonymous No.12339096]

>>12338849
>We're fucked
Nah, those animals are.
We're just fine.

[Anonymous No.12339099]

>>12338799
I don’t mean everyone should be a vegetarian, I mean we should ideally keep our meat consumption down to like 3-4 times a week. Beans, peas, mushrooms, lentils, and leafy greens should be just as significant a source of protein in your diet.

[Anonymous No.12339119]

>>12338759
Er is hier geen plaats voor het rechtse, mongool

[Anonymous No.12339140]

>>12338759
I hunt, so I don't eat either, usually.

1-2 wild hogs 1-2 deer (or other non-hog game, depends on what I find), 3-4 turkeys a year.
I get about 150-200 pounds of meat from my hunts. Field dress, butcher, and pop in vacuum sealed bags in the big freezer.
Eat the sausages and ground meat first and the rest will keep up to 10 months.

[Anonymous No.12339200]

>>12339021
that pig looks so comfy

[Anonymous No.12339203]

Any rational person would obviously rather eat from the right pic. The problem is people put their money where their mouth is. I've done it, and it's not easy. I eat much less poultry than I did before, because I'll only buy free range chickens. Same with beef. And I've pretty much given up on eating pork, because I can't even find pastured pork in my local stores. It's not that big of the deal though once you get used to it. I still am eating meat regularly, but I'll have one or two days a week where I don't. I'm still eating the about the same amount of eggs and dairy, but I have good sources for pastured eggs and dairy. And I eat more fish and seafood, but that has to be wild caught. Farmed fish is no bueno.

People just have realize that a choice has to be made and follow through. Unfortunately, there's too may idiots who can't think critically and aren't willing to do the right thing because they're greedy.

[Anonymous No.12339210]

What does it feel like to fuck a little preteen girl? How does it compare to a 15yo?

[Anonymous No.12339216]

>>12339203
you're confusing your own personal preference as 'rational'. all of have our own motivations and opinions on the matter and have made our rational choices. your opinion is not 'any rational person would obviously eat etc etc etc'.

[Anonymous No.12339221]

>>12339210
Wow, sorry. Wrong thread. The fuck am I on /ck/?

[Anonymous No.12339228]

>>12339216
Yes, everyone has their own opinions and motivations, but some are more educated than others. The more educated people would obviously choose the right.

[Anonymous No.12339237]

>>12339228
now you're implying that a consensus of 'educated' people renders a personal preference more valid than another? ridiculous. that's like saying 'more educated people prefer the colour of blue, ergo, blue is a superior colour to red'.

[Anonymous No.12339253]

>>12339237
We're not talking about colors, we're talking about farming. The more educated someone is about livestock and agriculture, the more they are likely to choose the right. You're just trying to justify your desire to keep eating factory farmed meat.

[Anonymous No.12339279]

>>12339253
im using colours as analogy to personal preferences. we have all made our rational decisions based on our own subjective values and motivations. it is no more rational to support intensive farming over extensive farming. it's a personal preference as there is no objectively true 'answer'. the question is far too broad. factory farmed meat is a rational decision to some and irrational to others, there is no axiom that dictates one is objectively, in a broad fashion, more rational than the other.

[Anonymous No.12339289]

How 'bout you just keep your fucking hands out of my pockets and your filthy noses out of my kitchen? How's about that?

[Anonymous No.12339315]

>>12338759
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12339765]

>>12338759
>Should a minimal ethics be imposed for animal husbandry.

No. As soon as they got the intensive animal agriculture banned, five minutes later they would ban the free range farming along with it.

Fuck you phoney baloney fake animal rights advocates, wipe the blood off your hands before you tell me what to eat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McW1fJHY0-Y

[Anonymous No.12339781]

>>12338800
>Cows
>Eating grass on grasslands that God literally made for cows
>Damaging

Are you genuinely ignorant, or are you a blatant liar lying for your cause veganism?

https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.12339789]

>>12338808
why would you eat red meat daily, sounds boring and expensive

[Anonymous No.12339863]

>>12338759
>implying pigs don't lie around all day anyway
worked on a farm for a while
the only time the pigs got up was to either eat or move to go lay in a puddle of mud
they scream all the time too, even without being provoked because they're retards

[Anonymous No.12340064]

>>12338759
retard here
what is the purpose of the title? (intensive vs extensive)
I just feel like something is trying to be communicated that really isnt.

[Anonymous No.12340227]

Right definitely always tastes better.

[Anonymous No.12340235]

>>12338759
either, im not picky

[Anonymous No.12340241]

>>12338759

[Anonymous No.12340253]

>>12338872
This

[Anonymous No.12340259]

>>12339863
So are pigs the animal youve come to hate most?

[Anonymous No.12340280]

>>12340241
>I don't understand how economies of scale work

[Anonymous No.12340286]

>>12340259
no
that would be
man

[Anonymous No.12340299]

>>12340280
not about the fucking economy you mong the city fags are the ones doing the majority of polluting.

[Anonymous No.12340320]

>>12340299
trying to explain anything more complicated than a hammer to you would only reflect badly on me for thinking it's possible. have fun being an illiterate hick

[Anonymous No.12340331]

>>12338759
I assume the left is about 25% the price per pound, so I'll take left please. I'm sure the animals on the right feel very peaceful and fulfilled though, that's nice.

[Anonymous No.12340334]

>>12338923
>>12338914
the concessions dont have to be as big as you yould expect is the point

[Anonymous No.12340512]

>>12339060
Nigh-unregulated for labels like "organic", "free range", or "grass-fed". Similarly with cheeses and deli meats, you can call anything that resembles a style of cheese by the name, even if the production is very different. Like feta, which is supposed to be made with goat milk, is often cow milk.
Thankfully this seems to gradually be changing, there's a lot more consumer advocacy especially after people got worried about GMOs being unlabeled.

[Anonymous No.12340823]

>>12338759
i would rather eat right in order to cut down on pain in the world but if it costs more i'm not fuckin doing it

[Anonymous No.12340854]

>>12338769
>especially since you should be eating less meat anyway

People eat less meat now than they ever have and what do you know the obesity crisis continues!

Carbs, sugar, and industrialized seed oils are the main culprits.

[Anonymous No.12340873]

>>12338913
>Neither. Carnists who preach about “humane slaughter” are some of the dumbest fucks on the planet

You mean your ancestors and most of the non-mentally ill population?

[Anonymous No.12340899]

>>12338759
a dilemma over how you house something before you kill it seems ridiculous to me. It's either ok to kill it or not.
If the meat is better then it's just a preference and they can continue to both be available.

[Anonymous No.12340929]

>>12338759
The left, mean more cheaper food for everyone , the right is unsustainable

[Anonymous No.12341047]

>>12338825
The same amount of waste per unit produced, but not the same amount of damage. A properly maintained pasture has enough topsoil and vegetation that rainwater is substantially slowed. The manure does not wash off in large amounts to cause eutrophication of draining waterways. CAFOs have massive lagoons that are a persistent problem to safely dispose of the waste. If it floods, all of that waste gets flushed down the nearest river. Like what happened in North Carolina last year.

[Anonymous No.12341051]

>>12338759
>farming turns pigs into cows and ducks into chickens
omg

[Anonymous No.12341077]

The one that tastes better.

[Anonymous No.12341083]

>>12338759
i don't care, as long as humans are enslaved around the world. it doesn't matter what we do to animals.

[Anonymous No.12341084]

>>12339140
Wow, maybe that's what I should do

[Anonymous No.12341113]

>>12341083
What a cheap excuse

[Anonymous No.12341163]

>>12338759
Whichever one costs less.

[Anonymous No.12341164]

>>12341113
if we do such horrible things to our brothers and sisters, letting them suffer and die by the millions. what chance do we have to treat animals any better?

[Anonymous No.12341279]

>>12340873
>muh ancestors
Why don't you throw your computer away and go live in a cave like a nigger or something?

[Anonymous No.12341291]

>>12338759
Intensive farming of lower C02 carbon causing animals. Completely make higher c02 carbon causing animals go extinct.

[Anonymous No.12342351]

I farm pigs ama

>>12339203
>And I've pretty much given up on eating pork, because I can't even find pastured pork in my local stores

Pigs aren't pasture animals. It's a bit of a debate in our industry at the moment. One side wants free roaming pigs to be advertised as the highest quality of life for pigs because that's what the public thinks is true, and the other feels they're pandering to the misinformed public when they live better indoors.

[Anonymous No.12342377]

>>12340854
I’m pretty sure in the first world at least, people eat way more meat now than we have since the advent of agriculture.

[Anonymous No.12342380]

>>12342351
If I come visit can I pet some of the pigs?
Also, can I take home one of those piglets you guys kill by smashing them into the ground? I want to stuff him with parsley and grill him.

[Anonymous No.12342390]

>>12342380
>If I come visit can I pet some of the pigs?
Yes.

>can I take home one of those piglets you guys kill by smashing them into the ground? I want to stuff him with parsley and grill him.
You want to stuff and grill a 3 lbs pig? Sure, if you want.

[Anonymous No.12342394]

>>12342390
I was imagining something a little like this

[Anonymous No.12342402]

>>12342351
How do you feel about faggots who buy "teacup pigs" then get rid of them when the pigs grow too big for their idiot tastes?
Is this >>12339863 anon telling the truth?

[Anonymous No.12342406]

>>12342394
wait how long are pigs?

[Anonymous No.12342415]

>>12342394
sleep tight porker

[Anonymous No.12342434]

>>12342394
That guy is at at least 35 lbs, I wouldn't smash him in the ground. But yeah you can buy one. If he was sick/hurt you could have him for free.

>>12342402
Retards. Pigs are social herd animals, they should be around other pigs, keeping one alone because it's cute is selfish.
>Is this >>12339863 anon telling the truth?
What do you mean? They don't scream all the time if that's what you're asking. They are pretty chill animals.

[Anonymous No.12342437]

>>12342406
The longer the better.

[Anonymous No.12342440]

>>12342434
>What do you mean?
Do they only get up to eat or move to a mud puddle

[Anonymous No.12342443]

>>12342437
based longpig connoisseur

[Anonymous No.12342468]

>>12342440
Depends on their environment. If there's stuff to do then no, they're curious and will root around everything if they can.
If there's nothing else do to then probably, once they get older they will calm down and will just hang out more.

[Anonymous No.12342479]

>>12341047
>The same amount of waste per unit produced, but not the same amount of damage.
Try reading that again

[Anonymous No.12342545]

>>12338759
>>12338759
>>12338759
Animal activists are fucking retarded. Momma pigs are put in cages like that so they dont crush their piglets.

[Anonymous No.12342569]

>>12342545
We don't have cages and sows crushing piglets is not a problem. It happens but it's no big deal, doesn't hurt our numbers. It's better for the sow to be able to move around, especially right after having her litter.

[Anonymous No.12342684]

>>12342569
>sows crushing piglets is not a problem. It happens

[Anonymous No.12342691]

>>12342684
Correct.

[Anonymous No.12342778]

>>12339203
Props to you for eating free range but people that don't eat free range aren't
>idiots who can't think critically and aren't willing to do the right thing because they're greedy
That's complete fucking bullshit to make you feel superior since I believe there's no chance you're that stupid to actually believe it.
We make decisions that every day support the near slavery of people and abuse of human rights. Where is your phone made? Where are most of your electronic devices made? You do know in what circumstances are they built? Where do your socks come from? We make the distinction in our head that we don't simply care enough to be bothered about Asian families getting fucked in their ass making fucking phones all day every day for dirt money
No matter how sustainable you want to live, you will always going to a be a fucking burden to the world except if you totally go independent and live in the woods off your own land
People pick their battles, and it's way easier to buy fucking free range chicken and feel like you're
>le critical thinker
for doing that since you have enough money for it, going completely meatless or picking battles which go against the whole economic model of the world and against human rights abuses is just too tiresome, isn't it?

So fucking good for you that you eat wild caught fish, just don't be a condesending idiotic cunt and call people idiots because they don't.

[Anonymous No.12342780]

Left, because its fucking meat.
Nobody complains about fish farms, they're worse.

[Anonymous No.12342789]

>>12338759
>ethics
>imposed
Oh boy, that's always fun.

I'll eat from whichever I choose, and can afford at that moment. Both should be free to operate, I'm not interested in your furry morality fantasies.

[Anonymous No.12342813]

>>12340512
Great example of this is shit like Poland Spring. Know where it comes from? Neither poland, nor an actual spring! America needs some food standards pretty badly.

T. American

[Anonymous No.12342824]

>>12342789
*sticks grinded up pig anus in mouth*

MMMMMM ohhhh i LOVE my freedom of choice!!!

[Anonymous No.12342842]

>>12338769
>Nah man, it's okay it costs 50% more, I don't think you should be allowed to eat meat anyway. I'm okay with it, therefore you should be forced to do it too.

[Anonymous No.12342843]

>>12338855
how do you know? Did you know free range labels only need 5 minutes of time outside per day?

[Anonymous No.12342910]

>>12340299
And stuff is being done to fix that. Carbon reclamation, electric only cars, and all kinds of other wild shit, but of course your clown ass nigga gay faggot stupid bitch ass nigga freak ass be like "mmmmmmmmmm i aint finna do shit bruv uhhhhh uhhhhhhh *z snaps* cause like im lazy"

[Anonymous No.12342938]

>>12342813
You being a fat retard was evidence enough of being American, mate

[Anonymous No.12342944]

>>12342938
now look buddy, I may have a GED but I'm not that retarded nor am I that fat

[Anonymous No.12343008]

>>12338913
>carnists
Stopped reading there.

[Anonymous No.12343034]

>>12340854
>People eat less meat now than they ever have

[Anonymous No.12343410]

>>12343034
Exactly what do you think people in 1700 ate? Twinkies? Mountain dew? processed white flour? No meat, veggies, sometimes fruits or nuts and sometimes grains.

To the actual OP, theres a happy medium that isn't torturing animals but also isn't a stay in a 5 star resort for them.

[Anonymous No.12343556]

>>12338759
>do you want to pay $20/lb for steak for $9/lb?
This is the real question.

[Anonymous No.12343576]

>>12342824
Literally what the fuck is wrong with eating pig anus if you so choose?

[Anonymous No.12343582]

>>12338759
Left. Far cheaper and more economical. Also it isn't using an unnecessary amount of land for agricultural.

[Anonymous No.12343587]

>>12338759
Left obviously. I dint want my meat left outside where it will get dirty

[Anonymous No.12343636]

>>12338799
>and a requirement for good health.
[Citation needed]
>>12340854
[Citation needed]

[Anonymous No.12343641]

>>12338759
Daily reminder all meat is
>unhealthy
>unsustainable
>cruel

[Anonymous No.12343659]

>>12343641
>complain about meat
>pic is smoking
No legs on this one.

[Anonymous No.12343685]

>>12342843
see my answer here>>12339060

[Anonymous No.12343694]

>>12343556
Your rent is far more expensive than your food expenses
Also lurk around the thread there is plenty of solutions about price

[Anonymous No.12343701]

>>12343582
the land used to feed them is far greater than the land used on OP's pic

[Anonymous No.12343714]

>>12343641
Cool story nigger.

[Anonymous No.12344261]

avoid intensive farming for your own interest

all those pesticides and antibiotics-resistant pathogens will eventually make it back to you

[Anonymous No.12344280]

>>12338789
I can find 8e/Kg for the chicken on the right, especially if you get whole chicken