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12153295 No.12153295 [Reply] [Original]

Why do faggots say umami? Why not just say savory instead of being a weeaboo?

>> No.12153328

because I'm not a nip hating ameriturd

>> No.12153333

>>12153328
neither am i but i don't go around talking like a pretentious douchebag

>> No.12153335

>>12153295
Because it's not the same thing. There's no other word.

>> No.12153346

>>12153335
>Umami or savory taste is one of the five basic tastes. It has been described as savory and is characteristic of broths and cooked meats.

Literally use google.

>> No.12153347 [DELETED] 

>>12153295
Because you, personally, find it irritating.
Umami, umami umami.
The specific flavour of glutamic acid. Umami.
It’s different to ‘savoury’ but the distinction is subtle.

>> No.12153353

>>12153346
Would you class cornflakes as umami then?

>> No.12153368
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>>12153353
>cornflakes are a broth

>> No.12153387

>>12153368
What is wrong with you?

You said umami is the same thing as savoury, cornflakes are savoury.

>> No.12153389

>>12153387
In what world? They're slightly sweet.

Is bread savoury to you too?

>> No.12153404

>>12153389
I haven't eaten conflakes since I was a kid. Ok, are lentils umami?

>> No.12153406

>>12153353
no

they're bland

>> No.12153412

>>12153406
They're savoury. Right!?

>> No.12153416

>>12153412
i already said they're bland. as in, they have no flavor.

>> No.12153429

>>12153416
That doesn't make sense. Just admit you're wrong. Then kill yourself immediately, you've overstayed your welcome in this earth.

>> No.12153431

>>12153429
Fuck off autist, shit bait thread.

>> No.12153556

Umami is a term hipster faggots that have those gross plugs in their ears, use to describe garlic sauce or gravies. I want to pee in their hair everytime I hear that faggoty reddit word.

>> No.12153665

>>12153295
Because savory is much more broad and applies to vegetables and spices.

>> No.12153714

>>12153346
Umami:
>a category of taste in food (besides sweet, sour, salt, and bitter), corresponding to the flavour of glutamates, especially monosodium glutamate.
>besides salt

Savory:
>(of food) belonging to the category that is salty or spicy rather than sweet.
>salty

You're wrong

>> No.12153747

>>12153295

They're not the same thing.

Savory is a taste nuance that can come from many different ingredients and spices, it gives a broad overall category that is pretty much the opposite of sweet, it signalises the meal is filling.
Umami is a specific taste caused by glutamate and some other amino acid derivatives. It is a taste like sour, it has a specific function, with glutamic acid being one on the most common amino acids its appearance signalises good protein.

>> No.12153775

>>12153747
Based anon drilling this faggot OP with oure facts.

>> No.12153784

>>12153389
>is bread savory to you too?
I fucking hate America.

>> No.12153788

>>12153295
You can't fight this one. It's already mainstreamed.

>> No.12153803

>>12153784
Also I'm gay. Forgot to mention.

>> No.12153806

>>12153328
way more americans celebrate jap culture and suck their dick than hate them

>> No.12153965

Describe savory/umami. Protip, you can't.
It's like comfy. You feel it, but you can't explain it.
By this logic, umami/savory isn't a flavor in and of itself, but rather a feeling you get when eating something.

>> No.12153976

>>12153965
>Describe savory/umami.
It's simple. It's the flavor you experience when you taste the glutamate ion.
This is true for all basic tastes, just like how sweet is the flavor of sugar, sour is the flavor of acid, etc.

>> No.12153990

>>12153965
By your logic blue isn't a thing, neither is happiness. You can't accurately describe a subjective experience, that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. You can't describe salty, sweet, sour or bitter either but we recognise a difference between them which relates to something physical.

>> No.12154004
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>>12153295
So 'umami' is literally the taste of some eastern seasoning/product then? that same product that being often used in chinese takeaways?
if thats the case, why don't we have special terms for the taste of burgers or custard? We could call it the 'yum-yum factor' and make millions-
What a fucking shill term.

>> No.12154033

>>12153295
Savory is a poor term for it when discussing among people who know what they're talking about. It's just the name of a particular food -with- that flavor, like calling sour "vinegar" or salty "OP".

>> No.12154037

>>12154004
Umami is the 5th basic taste. Westerners tend to call it "savory", but technically the Japs get to name it since they were the first to scientifically prove its existence (as opposed to westerners, who simply observed it).

>> No.12154042

>>12154004
It's the taste of glutamic acid found in meat, cheese, tomatoes etc. It only has an Asian name because that's where it was discovered to be a basic taste, i.e. we have receptors on our tongue specifically for it.

>> No.12154047

>>12154033
The food named "savory" is virtually unknown to the average person.

To most people, it's a flavor, meaning virtually the same thing as umami.

>> No.12154050

>>12153295
While savoury can refer to the umami taste, it also has a wider use describing all non-dessert foods with spicy, salty or bitter qualities. Umami is the only word referring specifically to the taste.

>> No.12154056

>>12153295
Something can be savory without having glutamates.

>> No.12154062

>>12154047
>The food named "savory" is virtually unknown to the average person.
Bullshit.
>what sort of snack do you want from the store, sweet or savory?
The word refers to both to the taste of umami and to the category of food. I don't recall meeting a single person who isn't familiar with that usage.

>> No.12154119
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>>12154037
>>12154042
If it refers to glutamic acid why not just call it by its actual name? No need for foodie bullshit names, let's be straightforward here. It makes more sense to call it glutamic acid, and warrants no need for explanations.

>> No.12154125

>>12153404
I'd say so

>> No.12154145

>>12154119
For the same reason we don't call food capsaicin, we call it spicy.

>> No.12154159

>>12154037

The umami sensation is a part of savory but savory not part of umami, that alone shows that they are not the same thing. Savory is made up out of saltiness but also fatty tastes and mouthfeel in combination with umami in combination with the aroma detected by the nose. Umami itself is just one isolated taste sensation like bitter or salty.

>> No.12154160

>>12154062
>Bullshit.
Just because people around you know of it doesn't mean most people have. I guarantee you it's unheard of in the US, for example. Where do you live?

I agree with you completely about the 2nd part though. Here, that's how everyone uses the term. NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY except for the 1-in-a-million foodie exception, has any idea that there is a food named "Savory". That's a UK thing.

>> No.12154166

>>12154119
>If it refers to glutamic acid why not just call it by its actual name?
Ask the researchers who wrote the paper. That's how science works: the people making the discovery get to name it.

>> No.12154215

>>12153346
Umami isn't the same thing. People that use it as such are fucking retarded or braindead or both.

>> No.12154230

>>12154215
The minuscule difference doesn't matter to the average person, captain pedantic.

this is fedoras vs. trilbys all over again

>> No.12154239

listen you stupid piece of shit. umami is primarily a noun. savory is an adjective. nominalization of savory into savoryness is clusmy or just not the right stylistic linguistic option

>> No.12154249

>>12153429
you lost the argument dude

>> No.12154255

>>12154230
It's like saying 120 dollars isn't more than 100. It is specifically different. Just because they're close doesn't mean they're the same.

Something can be savory and not umami and umami but not savory. Just like there are things that could be both, though that's probably the hardest to achieve.

Just because some retard is gonna call his steak umami (when really he'd mean savory) doesn't mean he's right.

>> No.12154268

>>12154230

It's not a miniscule difference, it's a part vs. whole relation.
It's like chocolatey and sweet, sweet is part of the chocolatey sensation but not vice versa. sweet is a basic taste sense, chocolatey a set of several tastes and factors of which sweet is one part. Same with savory and umami

>> No.12154279

>>12154255
>>It's like saying 120 dollars isn't more than 100.
more like saying $100.01 isn't more than $100.

>Something can be savory and not umami
Give Example.
>and umami but not savory
Give example.

The overlap between the two is massive. I challenge you to name a "savory" food which doesn't contain glutamate.

A steak is both savory and umami.

>> No.12154312

>>12154279
A pretzel is savory/salty but not umami, and I'd say ramen is more umami than savory (depending on how it's made and how good all the ingredients are).

Miso is pretty umami without being savory. And yes, steak is almost always more savory than umami but could be both.

A Philly cheese steak isn't going to be umami, but sometimes a hot sauce could be umami because of how and what it's made with. And so on. Umami and savory are not one and the same but can overlap.

Sorry your first grader brain can't possibly distinguish between the two.

>> No.12154333

>>12154312

>A Philly cheese steak isn't going to be umami

Cheese is one of the most well known umami sources though

>> No.12154335

>>12154312
All of those foods you listed are both savory and umami.

>pretzel
see that dark color on the outside? That contains glutamates, thus it's umami.
>miso
in what fantasy world is this not savory?
>steak
it's not "could be both", it's IS both. 100% of the time.

>Umami and savory are not one and the same but can overlap.
not just "can overlap", but more like "overlap so much that the spots where they don't overlap are vanishingly small and we can ignore them as negligible".

>> No.12154465

>>12154166
to me it just makes sense to say monosodium glutamate instead of unami or whatever as a descriptor. most people know what the word MSG means. It doesn't matter to them what some randomer on the side of the planet has to say. For example, if I was speaking to someone;
>a tomato tastes unique because it has a small quantity of MSG in it
>wow thats interesting
vs.
>'a tomato tastes umami'
>wtf is umami
>it means it has MSG in it.
>Oh
Do you see the difference in language here? using the word 'umami' is very unnecessary and warrants further explanation.

>> No.12154476

>>12153333
quads have spoken

>> No.12154480

>>12154465
>Do you see the difference in language here?
What I see is a mistake in your first example--tomatoes contain gluatmates, but not MSG specifically.

And your second example seems to imply that you only talk to morons. who the fuck doesn't know what umami means except ancient boomers and zoomie neets, neither of which the average person interacts with.

>> No.12154483

>>12153784
We know, Osama

>> No.12154486

>>12154335
>>12154333
Yes, some of those foods overlap in umami and savory, but that's just the thing. They aren't exclusively umami. They have umami elements but to describe, for example, the pretzel as entirely umami, you would be wrong.

Describing something as umami wholesale is to say that is the only or most major flavor profile. To say a pretzel is umami only is total bullshit as you'd more than likely describe it as primarily salty or savory with hints of umami.

Which is why umami VS savory is even an argument. Because it is different enough to be described as so or as the primary flavor.

>> No.12154538

>>12154486
>They aren't exclusively umami.
Nobody said they were.

> Because it is different enough to be described as so or as the primary flavor.
They are so similar that if one is the primary flavor then so is the other. If you were to draw a venn diagram of umami and savory it would look like a single circle at a glance, the overlap is that massive.

>> No.12154548

>>12153295
Because the western world needs to spread it legs even further apart.

>> No.12154563

>>12154538
There are no taste receptors that detect "savory". There are taste receptors that detect glutamates that are found in food though and the Japanese discovered this first, so they got to name it.

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12154587

>if you use a japanese word to describe something specific you're a weeaboo

>> No.12154590

>>12154538
You are acting like the Venn diagram would be like 99% the same circle, when it would be more like 90 or 80% the same. Which is to say, it is different enough at times to be different (which is the entire argument). It's different enough to be categorized as so and different enough to be able to taste different as the primary flavor.

>> No.12154619

>>12154480
>-tomatoes contain gluatmates, but not MSG specifically.
Noted.
>your second example seems to imply that you only talk to morons.
As conversation goes this still stands a relevant string of dialogue. a lot of people aren't very intelligent.

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>>12154587
Who the fuck speaks japanese? No one, except the Japanese and a handful of shut-ins, that's who.

>> No.12154723

>>12154636
Everyone does to this degree. Umami is just as common as words like ninja, karate, or sushi.

>> No.12154734

>>12154636
>knowing loanwords means speaking a language
Going deeper into the brainlet pit

>> No.12154988

>>12153333
checked

>> No.12155071

There actually is a difference. Umami is used to describe the taste of glutimates. Glutimates taste savory but they are not everything that tastes savory. Umami is basically a slightly less broad term.

>> No.12155495

>>12153333
But you are a pretentious douchebag

>> No.12155502

>>12153416
Lol you're wrong, cornflakes are savory/umami.

>> No.12155520

So what food/ingredient/whatever is, 100% of the time no matter how it's made, umami?

>> No.12155530

>>12153295
I'm an ESL and I don't care which foreign word I use so UMAMI UMAMI UMAMI UMAMI UMAMI UMAMI UMAMI UMAMI UMAMI

>> No.12155558

>>12153295
Because no one gives a fuck what you think and if you use latin or french terms you have no reason to talk shit.

>> No.12155822

>>12153295
Stop crying faggot, 95% of the english vocabulary is primarily foreign. Now, since the west is declining and asia is ascending, more words of asian origin are being adopted into english. Enjoy your decline, lol!

>> No.12156003

The Japanese discovered the flavor fgt, show some respect.

>> No.12157287

They're different. For instance, OP is salty as fuck but totally not umami.

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>>12157287

Hah

Here, have a savory and umami (You)

I think umami killed OP's family or sth.