/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.12097315]

How do I go vegan without wanting to kill myself? 90% of what I eat is meat

[Anonymous No.12097324]

>>12097315
staring to suck dicks is the first step, literally all vegans vegan by blowing gay guys in a back alley

[Anonymous No.12097344]

>>12097315
Learn to make good shit from scratch. Your preferences will follow your habits.

Here's a book of shitty recipes you can steal:

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=how+not+to+die+cookbook

[Anonymous No.12097356]

>>12097324
fpbp

also, why so extreme? vegan is just an extreme faggot ideology and you can cut down on animal products without going full extreme faggot

[behold No.12097368]

>>12097324
First post seething post

[Anonymous No.12097375]

>>12097324
>>12097356
>Samefagging this hard.

Enjoy your heart disease, cancer, and dying at 50.

[Anonymous No.12097385]

>>12097356
I don't care about ideaology or politics. I don't want to eat animals, that's it.

[Anonymous No.12097396]

>>12097315
>join a suicide death cult
>not become suicidal

Pick one. But don't worry, if you don't kill yourself between 24-48 months, you'll hit rock bottom, wise up, and eat some animals (whether or not you actually admit it to your faggy vegan friends).

[Anonymous No.12097406]

>>12097375
With modern medicine, a shitty diet can lessen quality of life much more than quantity. The hedonic treadmill is very real, so you don't give up anything by eating better, and homemade quality shit is often more satisfying than convenient garbage.

[Anonymous No.12097451]

>>12097385
Veganism isn't about not eating animals you knob.

You can be a vegetarian, which not as gay or stupid as being vegan/

[Anonymous No.12097481]

start slow and make incremental changes that you can live with. don't make a huge change because it's more likely you will fail

[Anonymous No.12097495]

Have one day a week where you only eat vegan food. Maybe Wednesday or something

>>12097375
>wanting to live past 50
yikes

[Anonymous No.12097500]

>>12097385
What other anon said. Go vegitarian. Enjoy dairy products and eggs, just don’t eat chicken and steaks. Not that bad it seems like

[Anonymous No.12098042]

>>12097315
You don't. It is really that simple.

[Anonymous No.12098110]

>>12097324
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.12098188]

>>12097315
Dont

[Anonymous No.12098213]

>>12097385
What about insects or clams? They can barely feel anything. Considering how nutritious they can be, it seems insane to give them up.

[Anonymous No.12098226]

>>12097315
Search "Why I'm not a vegan anymore" on youtube and you don't want to anymore. At least have some fish and eggs in your diet or your body will start to shut down eventually. Be it a year or five years from now, it will happen.

[Anonymous No.12098258]

>>12097495
>not wanting to enjoy your life as much as you can

[Anonymous No.12098259]

>>12098213
which nutrients do they have that you cant find in plants?

[Anonymous No.12098282]

>>12097315
Just go slow, unless you’re going vegsn for health reasons it won’t hurt to eat meat in increasibgly smaller amounts over, say, five months.

Along the way learn to like things like spinich, mushrooms, and nuts. They have a lot of the proteins and minerals which makes meat tasty, and if you cook mushrooms right they can even have slightly keaty texture. Tofu is a fucking meme, only eat it if you also agree to castrate yourself.

[Anonymous No.12098382]

>>12097315
>90% of what I eat is meat
so you're basically doing a carnivore diet

[Anonymous No.12098450]

>>12098259
Technically nothing, but there is a reason why many vegans are b12 deficient. You need specific plant products to supplement b12 and omega-3 fatty acids, I'd say it's much easier to just eat clams.

Producing insects and seafood is incredibly efficient in general, I don't see what's the point of restricting yourself.

[Anonymous No.12098454]

Veganism destroys your body.

[Anonymous No.12098523]

>>12098454
I've been wondering why all her characters are always miserable and sad. This explains it. She doesn't have the energy to act.

[Anonymous No.12098528]

>>12098523
If she wasn't a lesbo she'd get her protein from the gallons of semen she drinks, but now that her career is established she doesn't need to do that anymore.

[Anonymous No.12098663]

>>12098454
Lot of vegans get those hard tired lines in their face. Looks very unnatural. Thank God this only happens to leftists. Part of me wants to not fight it but encourage it, to hurry our enemies over a cliff.

[behold No.12098721]

>>12098663
>3 proof by examples
>millions of heart diseased meatcucks
>full time antivegan
>sunstaring, antivaxxing, women hating, bald incel
You've converted more carnies than anyone on this website. Thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.12098724]

>>12098454
she looks like a regular 30 something Idk

[Anonymous No.12099037]

>>12097385
Then be a vegetarian you retard. We really live in a fucking age where retards can't even GOOGLE something before trying to adopt an entire fucking lifestyle, Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.12099277]

>>12099037
Eating cheese and fish is no different than eating meat to me, what's so hard to understand? I don't want to animal parts.

[Anonymous No.12099285]

>>12099277
>what's so hard to understand?
The nature of how and why your brain is so broken.

>I don't want to animal parts.
You seem to be OK with the environmental harm caused by other aspects of modern life, such as internet use. You're whining about not wanting to harm animals, yet here you are burning electricity to shitpost on a Bhutanese sand-art forum.

[Anonymous No.12099297]

>>12099285
>You seem to be OK with the environmental harm caused by other aspects of modern life, such as internet use
Where did I say this

>You're whining about not wanting to harm animals
Where did I say this

[Anonymous No.12099446]

>>12097315
Be a vegetarian my friend, being vegan is retarded and only for soycucks and roasties.

[Anonymous No.12099585]

mushrooms and beans

[Anonymous No.12099623]

>>12097315
fuck carnism, veganism, vegetarianism, and pescatelism.
omnivore in da hause

[Anonymous No.12099624]

>>12099277
>eating cheese is no different than eating meat to me
You’re just retarded OP. Hang yourself, cleanse the gene pool
>I don’t want to eat animal parts
Cheese isn’t an animal part

[Anonymous No.12099635]

>>12098724
I'm 35 and I look the same as I did 10 years ago. Either I have some super genes or my balanced diet is good for me. I'd say the latter.

[Anonymous No.12099643]

>>12097375
>Enjoy your heart disease, cancer, and dying at 50.
yes because the avg lifespan of 80 is bc half the population is already vegan?
dipshit faggot

[Anonymous No.12099665]

>>12097315
Why would you want to? Veganism is a bad meme.

[Anonymous No.12100641]

>>12097315
You don't need to go straight from 90% meat consumption to 0%, and doing so probably wouldn't do anything but frustrate you into going back to 90%. Maybe try just one meal a day, or a couple of meals a week without meat? This will give you space to learn how to cook meatless meals that you like without having to stress about only having unfamiliar or difficult foods available to you. It will also give you time to figure out why you really want to get to 0% and if it will really solve your problems. Finally, it will give you time to learn which foods benefit testosterone production vs impeding it, so that you can transition to veganism without turning into a french fried faggot.

t. lunch vegan

[Anonymous No.12101329]

>>12097315
Why are you immediately going vegan? Try vegetarianism for a bit before you make the full transition.

Also what are the advantages of being vegan over vegetarian? I don't see a benefit outside of morality.

[Anonymous No.12101392]

>>12098213
This. Vegans miss out on insects, seafoods, and honey. All of which can be very sustainable and not that harmful in terms of animal suffering.

Dairy on the other hand is an industry that produces and kills calves or cows as a required byproduct, wherein the cows are continuously fucked in order to get them lactating. (I'm not a vegan, but I just happen to know this because I find agriculture fascinating)

[Anonymous No.12102132]

I tried to go vegan but I just couldn't give up my insects and mushrooms, and prokaryotes (which show many signs of life so who am I to judge).

After a 4 day sunlight fast left me permanently blind in one eye and with 75% cataract in the other eye, I decided to put my suicide death cult ideology aside and just eat fish once or twice a meat, steak / hamburgers a couple times a month, and to cook which ghee instead of oil.

I feel much better now.

[Anonymous No.12102226]

>>12102132
>4 day sunlight fast
Is "sunlight fast" pic related

[Anonymous No.12102287]

>>12097315
Hey OP, first of all: Thank you.
Everyone who deliberately makes the change to a vegan life deserves respect and it's great to see you're making evolution happen.

To your question: I've been vegan for 11 years now and I can barely remember the taste or anything related to meat consumption, but I can tell you that you should learn about nutrition and watch some videos from real doctors who help people to adapt their diets to veganism. Because everybody is different, you need to experiment with what's good for you. The beginning may be difficult at first, but honestly after 2 years you'll not notice anything missing.

I personally do a lot of exercise, cardio and weight lifting, so it's important to me to get a shitload of protein, which is also what I recommend for you. Eat a lot of lentils, beans, peas etc. and I'd recommend humus because it tastes awesome (I'm addicted to it) and it is so versatile. You can spike it with different oils, lemon juice (really awesome!) or add some curry mix to it. I literally dip all kinds of shit in humus, especially small cherry tomatoes. Falafel is insane too.

Another thing I recommend is eating or drinking citrus fruit/juice with meals because it helps to get maximum bio availability from stuff.

Generally you'll need to give your body time to adapt. Don't rush things. Maybe at the start switch to fish and/or take some krill oil capsules daily. Your body is used to digesting meat, so it has probably lost a lot of its ability to convert plant protein to DHA (again, learn about nutrition!) and needs to readjust itself over time. Also you need to take a B12 supplement or eat some fortified foods. You're probably so used to processed, sodium-oozing trash that your taste buds are nearly dead, so definitely look into all the vegan burgers like 'beyond meat' or vegan pizzas which try to mimic the animal foods.

Honestly there's no way around learning about nutrition, but there are many places better than 4chan to consult.

[Anonymous No.12102295]

>>12099624
He's right you fucktard. Dairy cows are constantly being artificially inseminated like birth machines and their babies taken away from them right after birth to be either turned into another birth machine or killed shortly after. The milk that was meant for them is then extracted and once the cow is too old and broken to give birth/milk anymore, it is being killed as well.

Same with eggs. Male chicks are being killed literally directly after being born and those hens laying the eggs are being killed as soon as their bodies are not healthy enough to lay sufficient amounts.

And this is isn't even taking into account their horrible 'living' conditions. Morally speaking, eating eggs and milk is the same as eating meat.

[Anonymous No.12102304]

>>12102295
so??
you do realize that if Man didn't need eggs and milk:
>their species would literally not exist
>they would not exist except in some zoos

I agree with industrial exploitative farming being bad and gross but there's nothing wrong with traditional chicken and dairy farming

[Anonymous No.12102308]

>>12102304
also btw you NEED to cull the male chickens because otherwise the grown roosters will literally kill each other in gruesome ways for dominance

[Anonymous No.12102332]

>>12102304
>their species would literally not exist
Yes, and? It is well known that all these animal we're breeding are artificial creations (or rather reiterations) of their original form and would not exist in nature as they are.

>>12102304
>there's nothing wrong with traditional chicken and dairy farming
...which ironically REALLY doesn't exist. (inb4 MUH GRANDMA'S FARM)
IMHO animal farming is generally wrong because you're messing around with lives in ways that are grotesque, immoral and most importantly unnecessary. But that's just me. I'm glad we agree though that the current form is unacceptable.

>>12102308
Again, this goes back to the same essence of humans fiddling around with godhood and creating highly unnatural scenarios. Please don't shove the guilt onto the animals and away from their creators.

[Anonymous No.12102352]

>>12102332
>Yes, and?
and it's literally their raison d'etre... literally
Unless you are arguing that non-existence>imperfect existence, in which case also go antinatalist and possibly an hero

>which ironically REALLY doesn't exist. (inb4 MUH GRANDMA'S FARM)
it does exist, not only my literal grandma but i've been to plenty decently humane and traditional farms


>you're messing around with lives in ways that are grotesque, immoral and most importantly unnecessary
>humans fiddling around with godhood and creating highly unnatural scenarios

You're an absolute brainlet, what the fuck are you even on about?
Have you ever seen a documentary/went hiking/hunting/fishing/got our of your urban basedfilled shithole?
Animals in the wild kill each other in gruesome ways, compete for dominance often with deadly consequences, are parasite infested and live shitty lives
If anything they live more decently when taken care of by Man, just like pets vs stray animals

And what godhood? All plant species you eat or shove up your arse are also "grotesque artificial whatever" and agriculture absolutely destroyed tons of biomes everywhere in the world

[Anonymous No.12102420]

>>12102352
I don't get your point about artificial creatures. These masses of animals are bred into existence for one purpose only: to kill them. As demand for animal products decreases, their population will level out eventually. Species die out all the time, doesn't mean that these can't be readjusted to a natural life as prey animals. And even IF they die out, what's wrong with that?

>humane and traditional farms
IMHO there is nothing humane about taking something that clearly isn't yours, messing around with nature and obviously not murdering someone. I'm not a fan of animal farming. I understand its significance in old times and importance in human history, but it's 2019.

>Animals in the wild kill each other in gruesome ways
Yes, but we are not on the same level as those animals. Humans possess moral agency and should act accordingly.

>they live more decently when taken care of by Man
This is a very long ranging question that cannot be answered due to a plethora of circumstances etc. but again it delves into the same moral dilemma of the cost of maintaining this form of life we created.

>All plant species you eat or shove up your arse are also "grotesque artificial whatever"
Can be, yes. But with animals there is factually a direct victim involved.

>agriculture absolutely destroyed tons of biomes everywhere in the world
Yes, most of which happened for the sheer sake of farming crops to feed livestock.

Your arguments sound very 'meat-eater'-colored and honestly I'm not here to start a huge political discussion. Just for the record: I don't hate you or think you are a 'bad person' for eating animal products. I just think you're uneducated and perhaps willfully ignorant with warped morals. Anyway, I'm out. Peace.

[Anonymous No.12102429]

>>12097375
Man was not meant to live far past that anyway. I'd rather live a good life during my peak years than be a frail faggot for 80 agonizing years.

[Anonymous No.12102452]

>>12102287
Thank you

[Anonymous No.12102505]

>>12102452
My pleasure. Just give yourself time, both to learn about nutrition and for your body to adjust. Don't be 'ashamed' to supplement in the beginning either and most importantly don't be hard on yourself. You already made the most important decision in your mind, the rest will come in time.

[Anonymous No.12102518]

>>12102420
>I don't get your point about artificial creatures.
Because you're retarded
>These masses of animals are bred into existence for one purpose only: to kill them.
No, they are bred for a variety of reasons, killing them also and eventually too, you know, they would DIE regardless, and probably have a shorter lifespan in the wild anyways
>As demand for animal products decreases, their population will level out eventually.
There would be no population outside of zoos
>Species die out all the time,
Right, since you care alot about (distorted brainlet) morality, is it not immoral to let a species stop to exist? How does it work, you use the naturalistic fallacy on and off
>doesn't mean that these can't be readjusted to a natural life as prey animals.
They go back to feral again yes
>And even IF they die out, what's wrong with that?
IF you eat them, what is wrong with that?
What are you even saying

>IMHO there is nothing humane about taking something that clearly isn't yours
What the fuck, do animals and objects now have property rights?
>messing around with nature
as opposed to... not messing around with nature? And why is it even bad you said yourself entire species dying is a-ok you make no sense
>and obviously not murdering someone.
Animals aren't people they are dumb animals, it's not murder
>I'm not a fan of animal farming. I understand its significance in old times and importance in human history
As opposed to intensive agriculture literally destroying all habitats?

>but it's 2019.
>it's the currentyear
Okay, are you literally baiting faggot?

[Anonymous No.12102526]

>>12102518
>Yes, but we are not on the same level as those animals.
So.. killing IS natural but natural=bad now in this case? Brainlet
>Humans possess moral agency and should act accordingly.
You haven't even said why is it even "immoral" to kill animals

>Can be, yes. But with animals there is factually a direct victim involved.
Whether it's a "victim" or not doesn't matter, you were saying it is BAD because they're grotesque and artificial, so are plants nigger, they are all domesticated

>Yes, most of which happened for the sheer sake of farming crops to feed livestock.
No faggot, a 100% vegan diet would require more surface assuming you want people to:
>survive
>eat healthy

>Your arguments sound very 'meat-eater'-colored
You mean very "im not a retard that bought into a meme but a normal non insane person who questions everythign bc meat=murder herp derp"
>Just for the record: I don't hate you or think you are a 'bad person' for eating animal products.
I don't give a shit what you or any vegan thinks?
>I just think you're uneducated and perhaps willfully ignorant with warped morals.
What morals faggot? What is even your philosophical foundation for your shitty vegan meme? You haven't cited a single syllogism or moral principle you sound like a child

[Anonymous No.12102731]

>>12098721
If I can do anything to get leftists like you to go vegan (and die) I would gladly do it, so you're welcome. I'll keep up the good work boss and you can drop the adhom and thank me for helping your cause. (According to you)

[Anonymous No.12102737]

>>12097315
start going vegan by eating vegan junk food, then start eating shit like tofurky, after this you either kill yourself or go back to eating meat.

i was vegan for 5 years.

[Anonymous No.12102742]

>>12102332
>>Says the guy who is perfectly fine with deforestation, chemical pesticides, and grinding up wild animals with huge agricultural harvesting machines, for his precious broccoli and kale smoothies.

https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.12102754]

>>12102737
How did you snap out of it??
Why didn't you stay vegan for life, since we all know Veganism is the healthiest most complete diet known to man?

[Anonymous No.12102755]

>>12102731
>she recommends detox diets

Holy shit, why do I keep hearing detox and toxins from insane people? Anti-Vaxxers and AIDS denialists keep using the term "toxins" too.

[Anonymous No.12102759]

>>12102754
was just tired of the few good vegan recipes i could find. also was tired of going out to eat with family and friends and only being able to order one thing of the menu. also there is no way to be 100% vegan so it's pointless.

[Anonymous No.12102766]

>>12102755
LMAO theres aids denialists? thats as hilarious as flat earthers

[Anonymous No.12102776]

>>12102766
Yeah, look up Christine Maggiore. She even gave her daughter AIDS via breastfeeding, but refused treatment. Her daughter diet at age 7.

[Anonymous No.12102780]

>>12102776
musta been da toxins

[Anonymous No.12102804]

>>12097315
the first step to going vegan is the same first step as going vegetarian, finding good complete proteins that work for you. A 'complete' protien contains all 9 dietary amino acids, and outside of meat it's rare to find in one substance. But there are examples.

>Tofu, tempeh, and edamame
>Lentils
>Chickpeas
>Buckwheat
>Spirulina
must be mixed with grains or nuts to be complete
>Quinoa
>Mycoprotein
>Chia seeds
>Rice and Beans
Must be together, incomplete otherwise
>Seitan
>Hemp
dude weed lmao


So some ideas:
Whole grain pita bread and hummus
Peanut butter on whole grain toast
Spinach salad with nut and seed toppings
Steel-cut oatmeal with pumpkin seeds or peanut butter
Lentil soup with whole grain slice of bread

[Anonymous No.12102817]

>>12102804
The next step is deciding what degree of Veg you wanna go to. There are:

VEGETARIANS, who eat no meat product
VEGANS, who consume no animal products

There's a variety of microcosm's based on whatever niche you want to occupy, like Ovotarians or Piscetarians. Frankly, I would recommend being a Flexitarian, which means eating primarily vegetables with the occasional piece of meat - something I feel is far more natural and healthy for an omnivore (that's you) than a strict fad diet of any kind

If you want to go full vegan you need to remember that means NO ANIMAL PRODUCTS of ANY KIND. A vegan does not consume any type of meat, dairy product or other animal ingredients, including honey, gelatin, rennet or albumin (this means no cheese, no eggs). It's quite frankly a huge hassle and I can only recommend it if you feel very strongly about moral opposition to modern agricultural paradigms, otherwise being a vegetarian or flexitarian is far healthier and easier.

[Anonymous No.12102825]

>>12097375
full vegan is the least healthy diet possible.

[Anonymous No.12102829]

>>12102825
Food is food. Our bodies are furnaces that break it down into constituent material chains for processing. Full Vegan is healthier only because you have to pay intense attention to WHAT is being placed into your body. The same amount of attention and care would yield health benefits regardless of dietary regime.

[Anonymous No.12102835]

>>12102825
you'd be healthier on a vegan diet if you actually educate yourself on it compared to an average omnivore diet that results in obesity and has way too much added sugar. but a balanced omnivore diet would be better than the vegan one.

[Anonymous No.12102858]

>>12099624
Cheese literally contains ground up calf stomach dude.

[Anonymous No.12102871]

>>12102835
>way too much added sugar.
Vegan diet is nothing but sugar

[Anonymous No.12102874]

>>12102858
LMAO this dumb ass doesnt know what goes into cheese! Lmao

[Anonymous No.12102879]

ITT: idiots defending a stupid, self destructive way of life. ROFL "being vegan is healthy" lmao check out all the ignorant retards trying to recruit their retard bretheren into their dumb ass animal lover/fucker cult. ANIMALS DIE. ALL ORGANISMS ARE TO BE DOMINATED BY HUMANS. HOMOSAPIENS RULE. Get OVER YOURSELF. ANIMALS ARE WORTHLESS YOU WANNA CAST YOUR LOT WITH THEM GET EATEN.

[Anonymous No.12102882]

>>12102858
hey dumb ass, what about cheese that doesnt come from cow?

[Anonymous No.12102890]

>>12102835
>>12102817
Are you the same idiot?
Flexitarian? so you mean, NOT a vegetarian? HOLY FUCK WHAT LEVEL OF RETARDED DID YOU MALNOURISH YOURSELF INTO?

[Anonymous No.12102895]

>>12102882
If rennet wasn't used one could make the argument that "at least they didn't have to kill anything for this product" Met plenty of vegetarians who don't know what rennet is or that their favourite cheese contains it.

[Anonymous No.12102903]

>>12098258
Quality of life degrades with age dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.12103079]

>>12102776
Should have given the baby more lemon water.

[Anonymous No.12103120]

>>12102295
Based

[Anonymous No.12103129]

>>12097315
Become a Strict Vegetarian incrementally.
Replace foods like mince, sausages, and nuggets with the vegan versions.
Then do the same for more distinct meat like chicken breast and beef steaks.

Surprisingly, most of the fake meats are for people like you rather than people who already don't eat animal products. Try them out, chicken ones are usually the best imo.

[Anonymous No.12103157]

OP here. Just going to clarify some things.

I don't want to eat animal meat or products like cheese and milk. I don't want to contribute a system of suffering for millions of animals, and even if all of those animals were raised on wholesome 'cruelty-free' farms I still wouldn't want to eat them. I don't want to eat any semi-intelligent creature. Call me a pussy or faggot, I don't care. Unlike all other animals, as a human being I have the choice to live by killing animals or by not killing animals, so for me the choice is clear.

I am fully aware that a vegan diet is less healthy than an omnivore diet, and I don't care. I'd rather have shitty health than eat animals. When lab-grown meat rolls around I'll be eating that every day.

I'm going to start small and work my way to 100% no animal products, not going for an overnight thing. Going to reduce meat, then cut out meat, then cut out fish, then cut out eggs and dairy then go full vegan.

[Anonymous No.12103407]

>>12103157
You're awesome and I think you should go cold turkey. Knowing what you know it makes sense. The more you learn the more you'll cringe at eating animal products.

[Anonymous No.12103438]

>>12102505
>>12102287

Who is she Anon?

[Anonymous No.12103450]

>>12097315
Its impossible to both become a picky eater and not want to kill yourself and feel ashamed of it

[Anonymous No.12103462]

>>12102295
>Dairy cows are constantly being artificially inseminated like birth machines and their babies taken away from them right after birth to be either turned into another birth machine or killed shortly after. The milk that was meant for them is then extracted and once the cow is too old and broken to give birth/milk anymore, it is being killed as well.
You're basically saying that cows are used as milk-slaves their entire lives, and then killed when they don't give milk anymore.
Mmmh that's true, very true. But have you considered that pets are basically the same thing? Not slaves for milk, but slaves for entertainment, companionship, entertainment. Cats and dogs should be allowed to roam free in the wilderness, but instead we humans force them to live with us just because we think they're aww so cute. If you are a pet owner, please kys. If you neutered or castrated your pet, double kys. And no, I don't own a pet.


>And this is isn't even taking into account their horrible 'living' conditions. Morally speaking, eating eggs and milk is the same as eating meat.
Not every farm is the same. There are farms with decent living conditions for cows/hens.

[Anonymous No.12103683]

>>12103157
You sound like a smart person with a good heart. Take that course and don't be discouraged by fools like >>12102879 Meat eaters are incredibly insecure and defensive when there really isn't any argument in their case, as seen with >>12102518
>>12102526 After all, this is the toilet of the internet and you should not seek advice here to begin with. They are mentally ill, same as these people >>12098663 Both sides just spew their ideology bullshit while destroying themselves. Don't listen to them and instead go by science, because we now have adequate long term studies on the effects of a vegan diet in a variety of populations and age groups. This is why I said LEARN ABOUT NUTRITION because you'll eventually see that if done correctly, a proper supplemented vegan diet is in fact the best for a greatly reduced risk of cancer and heart disease (among others) and the longest life span without age-related mental deterioration. The WHO clearly agrees on this and I'd recommend rather listening to a world-wide operating, peer-reviewed congress of scientists, instead of some neckbeards with semen-stained PCs.

Again, sit down and LEARN about all nutritional factors. I've been vegan for over a dacade, so according to 4chan I should be dead, LOL, yet here I am outlifting most younger guys in the gym, amateur boxing, and currently writing my shitty PhD thesis. The only 'downside' to a vegan life is you'll have to eat A LOT more frequently, like multiple small meals over the day with lots of variation. (which is what nutritionists recommend anyway) You have 100% the right ideas. Go slow, at your own pace, plan your meals ahead and lead a healthy lifestyle. I'm proud of you.

TIP: Nuts and seeds are not only an essential part of proper vegan diet, but girls seem to love them too. At my uni, I'm 'the nut guy' because I always have some on me and share with cuties. This leads to some giggly situations during classes. Quote: "Anon, I love to put your nuts in my mouth." ;D

[Anonymous No.12103695]

>>12097315
Just keep eating eggs and nice cheese and you'll be fine

[Anonymous No.12103717]

>>12103438
Marina Nagasawa (長澤茉里奈)
Happy fapping: http://nipponjinn22.blog65.fc2.com/blog-category-204.html

>>12103462
I'm not responding to overtly negative, uneducated comments anymore, since I only wanted to help OP and then fuck off, but yes, you are right in everything you said and I fully agree in that we humans should not keep animals for our entertainment either.

>Not every farm is the same. There are farms with decent living conditions for cows/hens
I already said this is subjective to everyone's own view and, again, I think we should not keep animals regardless of treatment because in the bigger picture it always ends in harm and suffering for both sides involved.

[Anonymous No.12103735]

>>12103717
>Happy fapping
Thanks Anon!

[Anonymous No.12103759]

>>12097315
I go vegetarian/sometimes vegan for periods of time to save money
Indian cooking is nice because of all the spices
Veggoe stews can be really good
Try treating veggies like meat, and roasting, grilling etc

[Anonymous No.12103786]

>One of my best friend turned vegan
>we stop hanging out as much as we used to because dining place is very limited

Fuck vegans

[Anonymous No.12103962]

Veganfag again. One last thing before I finally fuck off:
>>12103157
>I'd rather have shitty health than eat animals
Nonsense. Hearing this makes me sad.

These are the krill oil tabs I was talking about earlier. If you take 2 or 3 of them per day, along with a single tab of B12 (better buy a complete B-vitamin complex while you're at it to save money), maybe add some zinc from time to time, it is literally impossible to get any deficiencies, even if you're the most illiterate, dense retard on earth and only eat trash all day. There are also these 'A to Z' supplements which have all vitamins in one tab.

FYI since you're about morals (which you should and for which I commend you), krill (along with shellfish) are the most nutrient-dense organisms on earth and literally THE most abundant life form on the entire planet while not being farmed. Physiologically they are much more akin to plants than animals in a sense that they are merely floating particles in huge clouds, eating microscopic phyto-plankton and they don't really have any awareness apart from constantly ingesting dirt via sea current. They don't even comprehend when they're eaten by a whale.

In regards to the general idea of supplementation: There is NOTHING to be ashamed about and it doesn't make your life choices any less valid. My father is a life-long meat and cheese enthusiast and he has heavy deficiencies to a point where he NEEDS to supplement all kinds of stuff every day to get his nutrients despite eating meat and milk daily. We have built a society where all our food is incredibly devoid of nutrients. Statistically speaking, everyone has some form of deficiency and wholesome vegans tend to have better blood levels than meat eaters, so don't be afraid and don't say things like that to begin with. You'll be fine and happy.

...and remember to give those girls a taste of your nuts. ;)

[Anonymous No.12103968]

>>12102304
Why is an adult man wearing low rise jeans and tucking in his shirt like a teenager who shops at H&M?

[Anonymous No.12103991]

>>12103962
This is very speciest and you aren't a real vegan

[Anonymous No.12104013]

>>12103786
>dining place is very limited
Where do you live? Most restaurants offer vegan dishes. Every fast food chain has imitation meat and every major city should have dedicated vegan places. The nearest vegan restaurant I know is fucking packed 24/7 like virtually impossible to get a table without reservation. You must live in a desert.

[Anonymous No.12104023]

>>12103962
>In regards to the general idea of supplementation: There is NOTHING to be ashamed about and it doesn't make your life choices any less valid

Absoloutely true.

However, the need for supplementation is a great signal that your diet--whether vegan or not--is deficient in some way. Better to fix that with whole foods than supplements.

I certainly wouldn't shame anyone for using supplements, but in the context of a discussion, getting those vital nutrients from natural sources in your diet is preferable to getting them from a pill.

[Philosophy of the Sandwich and(...) No.12104027]

>>12097375
You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.12104037]

>>12102304
>>12103968
LMAO that is J.P. I didn't even recognize him. WTF is he doing anyway?

[Anonymous No.12104043]

>>12097375
Enjoy your vegan look faggot

[Anonymous No.12104046]

>>12104037
Looks like hes doing shoulder health work

[Anonymous No.12104140]

>>12104023
I agree. However I also think it is important to balance your diet in a way to get the most beneficial result and all things considered, a proper supplemented wholesome vegan diet is the way to go, as accredited by the world health organization. In addition one should contemplate the fact that especially red meats are suspected to be in direct relation to a plethora of diseases and by now proven to be with alcohol the main contributor to colon cancer. (I'm just mentioning this in context of a grand equation of nutritional factors) So even if you leave out the moral factor, there isn't any viable pro for meat that isn't outweighed by its cons.

I also want to clarify the B12 myth which is so prevalent as it is the only exclusive animal nutrient. This compound isn't found naturally in those animals either, but they merely do the filtering for us by ingesting and cultivating those bacteria which excrete B12 from soil and impure water sources for us. The human diet has just become so sanitized that we completely wrecked it. Think about it: These animals all eat from the ground, grazing etc. and not like us from a plate, a table or a plastic bottle. It's just a bacteria excretion which I personally prefer cultivated by synthesis instead cultivation inside of someone else's gut.

>>12098454
>>12104043
This isn't a product of veganism. This is a product of sexual frustration and taking the lesbo-pill. I feel so sad when I see her nowadays. She used be that dream girl.

[Anonymous No.12104142]

>>12102890
>Flexitarian? so you mean, NOT a vegetarian?
This is a debate in the vegetarian community, yes. It's almost as if the idea is entirely arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.12104156]

>>12098721
Heart disease is caused by carbs and plant oil moron

[Anonymous No.12104322]

>>12104156
>Heart disease is caused by carbs and plant oil moron
Reading this gave me heart disease.

[Anonymous No.12104424]

>>12103962
You could supplements omega 3 from algae instead of krills. This is where DHA originially come from. Even if krills are pretty stupid we shouldn't ignore their ability to experience suffering or the rest of the food chain that would be otherwise decimated.
>>12104023
B12 is produced by bacteria at adequate levels in most unfiltered source of water. Our modern way of life is unnatural, not B12 supplements. Don't drink unfiltered water though.

[Anonymous No.12104759]

>>12097315
Not a vegan but for ethical (utilitarian) reasons I try to minimize animal products. I eat small amounts of milk and eggs. I get most of my protein from:
>Quorn meatless grounds/bites
>Dr Praeger's 28g Protein burger
>Vegan protein powder (mostly pea protein based)

As for the recipes, I substitute fake meat in:
>Ma Po Tofu
>Chili and Cilantro lime rice
>Hamburgers
>Breakfast burrito
>Dal and/or some kind of vegetable/fake meat curry
>Yorkshire puddings, potatoes and vegetables with gravy and sometimes fake meat.

[Anonymous No.12104793]

>>12097315
you don't have to do 100% vegan. Why not do 3 or 4 days a week that are vegan?

[Anonymous No.12104829]

>>12104140
>This compound isn't found naturally in those animals either
>>12104424
>B12 is produced by bacteria at adequate levels in most unfiltered source of water
this + most farm animals today are even supplemented or injected with B12 because their food is increasingly sanitary too. We have effectively killed all B12 ourselves.

>>12104793
You don't get it. It's about principle.

[Anonymous No.12104853]

>>12097315
Even if I can go vegan and I'm 6'3"

[Anonymous No.12104864]

>>12099643
Absolutely fucking rekt

[Anonymous No.12104904]

>>12104853
I know some guy from college who was raised vegan by his mom. He never had any animal product in his life and he's tall af with a strong body. I also have a female friend who was raised the same and she has the smoothest skin I've ever seen and super lush hair despite being a redhead and smoking and drinking every weekend. It's all just propaganda from the meat industry. Same as they claimed milk is irreplaceable for bone health, yet the populations in countries where they don't consume milk have the lowest rate of osteoporosis. I don't think people who consume animals are bad, they're just unknowing. Those industry people however are evil af.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQyv67F0Ql4

[Anonymous No.12105068]

>>12104829
>You don't get it. It's about principle.
ok, then suck it up and stop eating animal products, you fucking weakling

[Anonymous No.12105070]

>>12104853
I'm 5'2", can I even go vegan?

[Anonymous No.12105205]

>>12104904
Forget paleo, keto, atkins, whole30 and whatnot. All those don't have enough meat. Go carnivore! We're lions!!

[Anonymous No.12105269]

>>12102731
I love Nigella but if you think she hasn't had work done you're a fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.12105289]

>>12097315
You should want to kill yourself if you don't go vegan, unless you don't have empathy.

[Anonymous No.12105512]

>>12105289
>Vegan
>Empathy

http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.12105540]

>>12102858
>>12102874
>>12102882
>>12102895

These days most rennet is produced by splicing the gene for calf stomach enzymes into yeast though, so it is possible to have vegan rennet. This is also far more common than animal rennet because it's cheaper.

[Anonymous No.12105651]

>>12105205
>Go carnivore! We're lions!!
IMHO there's nothing more silly than associating your (pseudo) masculinity with food choice. Pic related left is vegan since 1998 and right has never eaten a piece of meat in his life...

[Anonymous No.12105667]

>>12105289
Empathy is a mental illness. animals aren't people.

[Anonymous No.12105669]

>>12105651
>body building
>healthy people
>mentally stable people
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAh
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.12105684]

>>12105651
...meanwhile this guy on the left has been on a pure carnivore diet for a while now and he looks a lot like those soyboy memes you like to post when making fun of vegans. Everyone can pick cherries bro. I think that all of you are good people, every single one of you has that empathy for animals in you, but you've just been warped by marketing and societal stigmas. I hope one day you'll find back to your true shit.

[Anonymous No.12105689]

>>12097315
Why don't you simply go vegetarian? That sounds more manageable than completely cutting out animal products entirely.

[Anonymous No.12105704]

>>12099635
It's because you never leave the basement so the sun isn't damaging your skin as much as the average normalfag that ventures outside.

[Anonymous No.12105723]

>>12105684
he looked like that long before going carnivore

[Anonymous No.12105736]

>>12105667
>Empathy is a mental illness. animals aren't people.
0/10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyrvMuNPJ-Y

[Anonymous No.12105742]

>>12105723
That's not the point. The point is he looks like an emasciated prune on the brink of death, despite the glorious nutritional powers of dead animals.

[Anonymous No.12105829]

>>12105742
he actually looks a lot healthier than he did before

[Anonymous No.12105875]

>>12105736
Have those actors ever walked the boards, or do they just do shitty promotional videos?

[Anonymous No.12105894]

>>12105512
>70% of Australia can feed most of Australia's cattle without modification
Uh, over 50% of Australia is desert. I don't think cows can live on sand.

[Anonymous No.12106607]

>>12105651
>Meanwhile what vegans actually look like......

[Anonymous No.12106630]

>>12105894
Technically Australia exports 80% of it's beef production, and they are still plowing over more natural forest/etc natural land for more beef production.

Australia can feed itself five times over (in grass fed beef,) it's just for Max profits and export $$$$$$$. That they 'need-' to produce more and more.

When it comes to governments, money men, people who matter???! Nobody gives a fuck and (((they))) are plowing over the whole world.m nothing we do matters. (I cannot delete that "m" either)

[Anonymous No.12106998]

>>12097315
You don't need to be vegan just eat more fruit and vegetables and work out I can guarantee you that you will be more fit than most vegans

[Anonymous No.12107542]

>>12106998
You're a fucking idiot and deserve to be deported into a labor camp. Obviously you didn't read shit ITT + you're mentally challenged. Holy shit.

>>12106607
OBSESSED

>>12106630
This + over half of the rain forest has been chopped to cultivate soy which is then fed to livestock only, while people are starving. It is estimated that if the world would adapt to a plant based diet, humanity could turn back about 75% of the world's farm land back to its natural state (or use for better purposes) The meat industry is completely unsustainable at this point.

[Anonymous No.12107616]

>>12097315
Hey anon! It seems like most of the important things that need to be said have been said, so I would just like to recommend textured vegetable protein as one of your protein sources. It tastes really good and is super cheap and versatile.

Also while you aren't becoming a vegan for health reasons, you should know you can be perfectly healthy as a vegan. Most of the people in the "go vegan and DIE" videos are very stupid raw vegans or people that don't pay attention to what they eat and don't supplement b12 at all.

[Anonymous No.12108012]

>>12097315
Just don't. There's no reason to.

[Anonymous No.12108679]

>>12106607
Me: an actual vegan, unlike most of those random people.

[Anonymous No.12108706]

>>12108679
Wtf, I love veganism now!

[Anonymous No.12108713]

>>12108679
I would like to stick my penis in your vagina and suck on your tits.

[Anonymous No.12108715]

>>12097315
https://www.pinterest.com/vfortheanimals/

[Anonymous No.12108728]

>>12102804
All a lie.
We cannot do anything with plant protein

[Anonymous No.12108732]

>>12097481
I disagree completely. I've been vegan for 11 years now and went vegan overnight. The only times I failed were by accident early on in my veganism.

Watching Farm To Fridge, Earthlings, or probably any of the other undercover investigations and if you aren't a sociopath they should help you be sure you don't fail.

[Anonymous No.12108760]

>>12102804
fucking bullshit, you dont need to combine proteins. Literally been debunked a thousand times now

[Anonymous No.12108778]

>>12108760
This. Also, I stopped focusing on getting enough protein in my diet as soon as I started using cronometer because I realized it's literally the easiest nutrient for me to get as a vegan and no matter what I eat in a day, I'm absolutely never protein deficient.

[Anonymous No.12108820]

>>12108679
Fat cunt

[Anonymous No.12108826]

>>12108820

[Anonymous No.12108833]

>>12108826
Shut up and post your fat cunt

[Anonymous No.12108929]

>>12108833
why dont you show us your nice fat sausage fingers, lardass

[Anonymous No.12109082]

Lol at all the seething vegan cucks itt. You need to get your hourly sugar intake so you don't pass out.

[Anonymous No.12109125]

>>12108679
Why is the left one almost twice the size of the right one? Does a vegan diet cause breast asymmetry?

[Anonymous No.12109139]

>>12109125
you see a nice rack of tits and you complain about a barely noticable assymmetry? how gay are you bro?

[Anonymous No.12109148]

>>12109139
>ass symmetry
Hehe

[Anonymous No.12109484]

>>12108679
Stay vegan and you won't look like that for long.

[Anonymous No.12109961]

>>12109125
I think it's because the left one is closer to the camera. The same thing happens to people's noses in close ups.

[Anonymous No.12109969]

>>12109484
I've been vegan for 11 years though lol.

[Anonymous No.12109975]

>>12109969
How much cum do you consume daily?

[Anonymous No.12110008]

>>12109975
I haven't had consensual sex or penis in 11 years, so none.

[Anonymous No.12110022]

>>12108679
hey, listen, i just want to tell you that i enjoy your tits. also, pls b in dallas

[Anonymous No.12110036]

>>12108778
>>12108760
>essential amino acids are propaganda
and vaccines cause autism and qanon is legit

[Anonymous No.12110041]

>>12108826
literally only bottom left is remotely healthy looking. Top left IS too skinny, top right is too paunch without definition, and bottom right is just body building modeling - that's achieved via specific exercises, repetition, and dehydration to tighten the skin

[Anonymous No.12110062]

>>12108732
You think like 95%+ of the world are sociopaths? Obviously people know meat comes from animals.

[Anonymous No.12110065]

>be vegan
>have no tits
>have a full body tattoo
>for some reason i argue with most people i encounter
>they are clearly oppressing me because i may or may not be female

[Anonymous No.12110122]

>>12109125
That is about the same with all girls. The left isn't twice as big, but I've heard it's something about it being closer to the heart or some shit causing it.

[Anonymous No.12110130]

>>12110065

[Anonymous No.12110816]

>>12110041
They just showed different body shapes to illustrate how people will criticize no matter what, whether you're thin, chubby, fit, or ripped beyond all reason.

>>12110062
I'm annoyed right now because I typed a long, thought out response to this and then I accidentally touched something that made me lose it....

But basically I said that people know meat comes from animals, yes. But most don't understand the severe abuse that goes along with it. Most people don't think about it and don't WANT to think about it. The rare times they do, they'll just tell themselves it's "the circle of life" and "they'd die anyways." That's what I used to tell myself too. But if you actually watch the countless undercover investigations of farms, and you still don't care, then yes, you're a sociopath.

[Anonymous No.12110843]

>>12110130
I'll bet $100 that guy isn't even vegan.

Also, if this guy wasn't posing, what kind of piece of shit sneaks photos of people in grocery stores to make fun of them online? I would sooner fuck this guy than someone as low as that.

[Anonymous No.12110930]

>>12110843
It's a f2m from his/her instagram

[Anonymous No.12110940]

>>12097500
I agree, this seems to be the best option

[Anonymous No.12110948]

>>12110940
It's incredibly easy to cut out dairy and eggs....and they hurt animals just as much if not more and damage your health just as much if not more...and destroy the environment just as much too. It makes absolutely zero sense to be vegetarian and not vegan.

[Anonymous No.12111023]

>>12103683
This

[Anonymous No.12111044]

>>12098258
Why would you get rid of the best foods then?

[Anonymous No.12111052]

The "vegans are sickly and malnourished" meme is complete bullshit. Most vegans aren't scrawny at all.

They're fat fucks who eat like shit but think they're healthy because potato chips, french fries,peanut butter, soda, etc are vegan

[Anonymous No.12111062]

>>12110843
>Haha btw im a girl ;)

[Anonymous No.12111218]

>>12110843
S/he actually made it onto the John stossel show for orthorexia, obsession with food. Frm all appearances s/he appeared to be a vegan as well.

[Anonymous No.12111234]

>>12097315
No matter what you eat you'll still want to kill yourself

[Anonymous No.12111247]

>>12110948
>dairy and eggs....and they hurt animals just as much if not more

Every mouhfull of vegetables you chomp down with your rotten vegan teeth kills and maims animals, and you don't give the slightest fuck.
https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

Why do you vegan hypocrites pretend to care about animals?

>>12111052
It's not a meme it's real Earthling Ed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnkWjmvMOA

[Anonymous No.12111281]

>>12110816

There's cognitive dissonance with meat. I butcher my own venison so because other people abuse animals I shouldn't eat meat? We are apex predators anyway why do you care about cattle? Go hug a bear and see how much that bear gives a shit about you. Or watch cats torture mice. You have a complex

[Anonymous No.12111355]

>>12111281
What stops you from raping people and eating your children (I know you're an incel but let's pretend) and feces?

[Anonymous No.12111357]

>>12098454
>>12098663
>>12102754
>>12105512
>>12106607
>>12109484
>>12110130
>>12111234
>>12111247
You should stop this for your own good. The sheer fact you save these pictures on your computer is testament for a sickly obsession.

>>12105068
>paid someone to torture and murder helpless creatures
>calls others 'weakling'

>>12111281
>because other people abuse animals I shouldn't eat meat?
No. You shouldn't eat it because it requires the unnecessary death of animals.
>We are apex predators
There is no 'we' + you ain't shit man. Try to go into the wild and hunt ANYTHING with your weak human body, let alone try to kill an animal without any claws or teeth.

>why do you care about cattle?
'Cattle' is another euphemism to victimize animals and deter from their suffering and I care about them because they are obviously being mass murdered daily for the sheer pleasure of humans.

>Go hug a bear and see how much that bear gives a shit about you. Or watch cats torture mice.
Those are carnivore predators with a natural disposition to kill animals for survival. Humans are neither carnivore predators nor do they need to kill to survive.

>You have a complex
I think it is quite apparent that you are the complex-ridden one here mate. Your insecurity is oozing.

[Anonymous No.12111752]

>>12111357
A predator uses more than its claws. It uses its mind. We learned to create and use tools. Only a fool wouldn't use them to prove a point.

[Anonymous No.12111763]

>>12111247
So what we just stop eating food and die? lmao

[Anonymous No.12111783]

>>12111247
Animals dying in the process of farming is not nearly as ethical of an issue and specifically and intentionally killing them for food. Do you cry for the ant you stepped on walking to the garden? Does it undo your attempts at not damaging the ecosystem?

[Anonymous No.12112157]

>>12108929
Only if I can out them in your fat cunt and sniff them afterwards

[Anonymous No.12112435]

>>12111357
Every vegetables farm requires the displacing, and constant death of animals. Why do vegans pretend to care about animals? Must be a misdirection technique to give validity to your ANOREXIA cult.
>https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.12112445]

>>12111783
When you pay farmers to dump chemical pesticides on wild animals, that is "specifically and deliberately killing wild animals" this could not be simpler.
https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

Vegans hands are dripping wet with animals blood, meanwhile in pure hypocrisy they pretend some love of animals??? How amazing.

(Every time you buy fruits, vegetables, or bread, you are giving money to a farmer who will use it for "pest control" ie-killing animals).

[Anonymous No.12112489]

>>12111783
He's clearly an obsessed autism boy. Perhaps a meat farmer's son or something, kek.

>>12112435
>Every vegetables farm requires the displacing, and constant death of animals.
Anything that you do, literally your existence alone, causes some kind of harm to both humans and animals around you. It's a basic principle of existence in this world. The key is so get the best balance and maximize your compassion in order to build the world we want to live in.

>ANOREXIA cult
LOL you can pick 10 scrawny people from the street and 9 out of 10 will be meat eaters I guarantee. That has nothing to do with diet but more with being a lazy apathetic fucktard who eats empty calories all day and doesn't lift a finger.

Pic related has been vegan for 20 years. I generally think that all vegans should orient their diets by bodybuilders. They may be meatheads, but they know for sure how to build a strong body.

[Anonymous No.12112528]

>>12112489
>Anything that you do, literally your existence alone, causes some kind of harm to both humans and animals around you. It's a basic principle of existence in this world. The key is so get the best balance and maximize your compassion in order to build the world we want to live in.

Good. I'm glad to know the myth of the "compassionate vegan" is dead. You can tell Earthling Ed to STFU.

https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

But as far as the diet of Veganism, it's a starvation cult. I respect your freedom and your choice to follow it, I'm just lolling at you for being retarded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnkWjmvMOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6JBICT9OQ4

[Anonymous No.12113006]

>>12112435
>>12112445
>>12112528

I'm not clicking your retarded link, but I'm assuming it uses the same misleading argument with no actual data to back it up.

http://liberatehp.freeforums.net/thread/2/vegans-animals

You should be ashamed of yourself for trying this hard to confuse people.

But to be fair, no one with more than half a brain would fall for it after they realize that animals eat. (If you don't understand how that's relevant, I'm sorry to be the one to let you know that you're mentally handicapped.) So I guess maybe we should be thanking you for keeping really stupid people from going vegan and inevitably making a joke of the movement?

[Anonymous No.12113027]

>>12097375
My grandma ate greasy ass antibiotic filled meats and vegetables coated in an inch thick layer of monsanto death syrup forever and now she cant die. All her friends and affiliates are dead though....

[Anonymous No.12113030]

>>12111062
wait what?

[Anonymous No.12113040]

>>12112528
>youtube videos and not peer reviewed studies
Into the garbage it goes

[Anonymous No.12113045]

>>12112435
So you're admitting that carnism is immoral because it requires more animals to die because you need to feed them using crops and kill the livestock?

[Anonymous No.12113053]

>>12103683
Unironically based.

[Anonymous No.12113089]

>>12113045
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.12113110]

>>12110036
those essential amino acids are in all protein you mong. the only incomplete protein i know about is fucking gelatin and that's from animals (it has no tryptophan)

[Anonymous No.12113142]

>>12113006
>So I guess maybe we should be thanking you for keeping really stupid people from going vegan and inevitably making a joke of the movement?

Veganism is already a complete joke, you just don't get it yet. You'll get it eventually if you stay vegan ten years plus and your teeth start falling out.

So please don't quit like 88% of vegans do??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6JBICT9OQ4

[Anonymous No.12113164]

>>12113040
>((((Peer reviewed studies)))))

Depends on (((who))) is making the study, nice try Dr Gregor.

>>12113045
>If cows eat grass, on grassland, their natural habitat God made for them (bison) it's an environmental Holocaust.

>But when I dump chemical pesticides on wild animals, slaughtering millions and millions of small mammals, reptiles and insects, it makes me practically a saint.

https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.12113171]

>>12113142
how pathetic does one have to be to regurgitate everything those low iq retards like sverige and frank tofanu say.

[Anonymous No.12113194]

>>12113171
>Says the veganbot who regurgitates vegan propaganda with zero capacity for independent thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UvaDo-AevI

[Anonymous No.12113278]

>>12113194
ironic how a carni-drone calls someone else an NPC. Stay classy

[Anonymous No.12113300]

>>12105829
He looks fucking orange in recent footage. Guy needs to at least drink more water.

[Anonymous No.12113307]

https://www.youtube.com/user/CoryRMcC

Try and beat any of his arguments (pro-tip: you can't).

[Anonymous No.12113328]

>>12103683
Literally BASED and redpilled.

>>12106607
>>12112528
>>12113142
>>12113164
Cringe and meatpilled.
Please at least put in some effort into your bullshit next time. Vitamin A is literally one of the most abundant in all kinds of vegetables. It is near impossible NOT to intake vitamin A. And good luck trying to get suficient vitamin D levels from eating animal products. Even elementary school kids learn in school that vitamin D is best synthesized by your body when going into the fucking sun. Northern Europeans suffer vitamin D deficiency like an epidemic, despite eating tons of meat. That b/w photo you posted is the exact OPPOSITE to your case, because it shows the perfect development of natives who lived by a natural diet with lots of raw foods and fiber, the right pic shows the same tribes after being exposed to a Western diet with tons of processed trash. The fact that you have all these pics saved on your computer is detriment to your mental demise. This is not healthy for you and, considering the topic, immoral af.

[Anonymous No.12113387]

>>12113328
>The fact that you have all these pics saved on your computer is detriment to your mental demise

That's a real logic-pretzel, perhaps you should study English if you want to use big words. But if you think I'm going to live forever, I'll accept that as a compliment.

Full disclosure--i f veganism is healthy IN YOUR OPINION, I support your freedom to follow it. I'll just be laughing at you and all your toothless emaciated comrades as you fall apart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnkWjmvMOA

[Anonymous No.12113476]

>>12113194
>Ted Nugent
Figures that you're a retarded senile boomer

[Anonymous No.12113494]

>>12113476
Boomers invented veganism. Joke's on you once again.

[Anonymous No.12113495]

>>12113387
>seething nonargument blogposter

[Anonymous No.12113646]

>>12113495
I'm not arguing ever. I am laughing at you insane retards. Let's be clear about this.

[Anonymous No.12113730]

>>12113646
nice selfie, i figured you'd look equally retarded as you carry yourself online