/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11981892]

if veganfags are so against eating meat why do they go out of their way to make product that "simulate" the experience of eating it?

[Anonymous No.11981894]

I guess to convert burgerfags over. I'd consider giving it a try, but it probably taste like grilled grass and leather.

[Anonymous No.11981913]

I don't think many vegans refrain from meat because it tastes bad. Not much of an inconsistency here chap.

[Anonymous No.11982168]

i visited my parents that last week and the lady who rides horses with my mom and is a major pile of shit and former hippie recommended these
i've had the boca burgers and the morningstar burgers and all sorts of faggot shit
these are, by far, the worst. taste and smell of dog food. and you burp them up a hours later and it's just straight dogfood. a plastic, chemical flavor. they are absolutely the worst
and i see they are becoming a meme. don't do it

[Anonymous No.11982184]

>>11981892
>if veganfags are so against eating meat why do they go out of their way to make product that "simulate" the experience of eating it?
Presumably because meat taste good. Now how do you get the flavor and texture of meat without killing an animal?

[Anonymous No.11982190]

>>11981892
same reason cucks like to watch their wives get BLACKED.

[Anonymous No.11982209]

these are actually not bad. i'm not a vegan at all and i would still put these at 6/10 for a burger period. i eat these because i'm trying to drop some weight and as far as lower calorie quick burning protein goes you could do worse. if they would come down in price a bit i would buy them more.
i think vegans try to simulate meat to transition into eating just veggies and it's more familiar.

[Anonymous No.11982214]

>>11982168
they are literally made of peas and beet juice. if you fix them like a burger they just taste like cheep tasteless beef not chemical imho.

[Anonymous No.11982218]

>>11982209
>i eat these because i'm trying to drop some weight
>Weight over 200lb
>Need to drop serious weight
>See pictures of starving holocaust victims on vegan diets constantly reposted on /ck/
This might actually work.

[Anonymous No.11982293]

>>11982209
ah I see, so in order to lose weight you've decided to buy $12 a pound catfood so you have no money to eat with

[Anonymous No.11982354]

>>11982218
there's a difference between losing weight and being malnourished
one bounces back hard after you stop

[Anonymous No.11982458]

>>11982168
You had me at 'taste and smell of dog food'

[Anonymous No.11982495]

>>11981892
It's an easy way to ease into the vegan diet when they crave the taste/texture of meat

[Anonymous No.11982538]

>>11981892
Just to trigger snowflakes like you. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.11982547]

I'm cutting back on meat to lower my cholesterol but I still love meat, so eating meat substitutes is my best option.

[Anonymous No.11982553]

Chill out dude it tastes fine

[Anonymous No.11982683]

Can we discuss the opposite concept? I mean, disguising animal foodstuffs and suppliments and 'plant based'?

My girlfriend is vegan for a few years and is now suffering from the deleterious mental side effects veganism.

For example, I want to start adding full cream to her coffees from Starbucks that have soy milk printed on the label by their computer; giving her vegan vegetable soup that actually has a high quality and undetectable to taste bone broth (or congealing caused by refrigeration / oil separation); vegan cellulose gel caps that are opened, emptied and re-packed with animal organs extracts; high doses of benzodiazepines and surreptitiously inserting feeding tubes (just kidding about this last one, I'm not a nurse and couldn't pull that off).

[Anonymous No.11982712]

>>11981892
Mom's a vegan and she hates this kind of stuff because it reminds her too much of meat
And no she's not one of those crazies about it, she'll make meat for my father. Just a life choice

[Anonymous No.11982718]

>>11982712
Was she vegan while pregnant / nursing? Were you raised partially vegan?


If so, how tall, heavy, smart, handsome, straight, successful are you?

My girlfriend is vegan and I'm thinking about dumping her because I don't want faggot children.

[Anonymous No.11982785]

>>11982718
She went vegan later in her life, I was not and have never gone vegan or partially vegan. She'll make non-vegan stuff for the rest of us, but if the home-cooked stuff they have is good I'll have it if I'm home from college.
It was more a transitional thing, when I was born she even was having meat. Over time just reducing it until becoming vegan

[Anonymous No.11982791]

>>11981892
meat tastes great, i don't think they're arguing otherwise

[Anonymous No.11982837]

>>11981894
Actually it does taste like meat but in a really uncanny valley sort of way. Like it has some meat flavor but none of the grease associated with it.

[Anonymous No.11982951]

>>11982683
Nice fake story kid.

[Anonymous No.11982954]

>>11981892
To shut assholes like you up when all we wanna do is fucking eat something in peace

[Anonymous No.11982956]

>>11982184
Cut off limbs as necessary, then wait for it to die of natural causes before harvesting the torso.

[Anonymous No.11982982]

>>11982951
Why wouldn't I tamper with the food of my girlfriend if I thought it would improve her and my life and the lives of our potential future children? I condone the killing of animals for food, after all. What lengths do you suppose I am willing to go to further my own agenda?

[Anonymous No.11983021]

>>11982538
the left taking right buzzwords and trying to use them against the right doesnt work since most leftests look like pic related.

imagine this guy/girl saying 'trigger snowflake?' to a normal looking person.

[Anonymous No.11983027]

>>11981892
If carnists like eating meat so much, why do they have vegetables as well?

[Anonymous No.11983028]

>>11982209
you put this on bread? doesn't that defeat the purpose?

[Anonymous No.11983044]

>>11983027
carnist isnt an actual human diet, most are omnivores.

[Anonymous No.11983571]

>>11983027
What is a 'carnist?'

[Anonymous No.11983628]

>>11983021
>implying
Yep. Triggered.

[Anonymous No.11983631]

>>11983571
What is a vegan?

[Anonymous No.11983647]

>>11983027
Because human beings are omnivores

[Anonymous No.11983689]

>>11981892
These smell like catfood and stink out your kitchen. They also piss oil and are more greasy than a good quality steak burger

[Anonymous No.11983697]

Such a retarded question
Most like the taste of meat but dont want innocent animals to be slaughtered and also dont want colon cancer

I eat meat but i dont want animals to die but i dont care enough to stop me, but if you got me a veggie burger which tastes the same id opt for that straight up

[Anonymous No.11983710]

it allows non-vegan hosts to accommodate vegans with very little effort. OP pic for example will cook almost identically to a meat patty

[Anonymous No.11983743]

>>11981892
You're a retard.

[Anonymous No.11983757]

>>11982209
They break real easy tho when flipping

[Anonymous No.11983852]

>>11981892
Tried these burgers a few weeks ago and even at the reduced price I bought them for they were still far too expensive for such a mediocre experience. Quorn is by far the best meat substitute I've tried so far, and even then some of their stuff can fall pretty far from the mark. Personally, when it comes to vegetarian cooking, I'm more in favor of ignoring meat entirely - I'd honestly rather just have a really good spicy bean burger that doesn't try to be anything else than an amalgam of various different mushed up plants trying to simulate beef.

[Anonymous No.11983869]

>>11981894
I've tried it. If you are having it side-by-side with a real burger you can tell it's veggie but if I just had it on its own I'd probably think it was beef.
No hate on the beyond beef burger. Veggiegoys did well on this one

[Anonymous No.11983872]

>>11983710
Well I'm sorry but if you're at my house you're eating the same things I'm eating. I will not accommodate for your special snowflake requests.

[Anonymous No.11983881]

>>11983872
Sure, just so long as you don't cry when you're at my house and I expect you to go one whole meal without an animal having to die for it.

[Anonymous No.11983894]

>>11983872
cool blog where can i read more about being a perpetually angry manbaby insecure about his cooking abilities

[Anonymous No.11983904]

>>11983631
A vegan is a skeletoid "human" member of a strange starvation cult.

Next Question?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU

[Anonymous No.11983909]

>>11983881
>It's OK when thousands of animals die for my vegan mouthfull.

http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.11983915]

>>11981894
They usually don't taste like real meat, but I've had some good ones that I couldn't distinguish from actual beef.

[Anonymous No.11983949]

>>11983904
Are you an AI or a just complete waste of human life?

[Anonymous No.11983974]

>>11983949
We are all both.

But at least I have fun laughing at retards in a starvation cult along the way.

Next question Mr. Skeletoid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs

[Anonymous No.11983986]

>>11983949
Why do you think it's OK to assert that all meat eaters are landwhales but when the shoe is on the other foot you get triggered?

[Anonymous No.11983996]

>>11983974
>Updating meme

[Anonymous No.11984029]

>The anti-vegan autist is out

[Anonymous No.11984064]

>>11983909
>48 In Australia, grass-fed beef is more ethical than eating wheat
First of all, do you live in Australia? Because if you don't then this argument is entirely irrelevant to your situation.

Secondly, hi Australians who are still reading!

Thirdly, the whole argument being made here is that more animals die specifically in wheat harvesting than if you just ate grass-fed beef. The argument ignores the fact that there are other things to eat besides wheat on a plant-based diet. You could indeed not eat any wheat at all if you wanted, there are many people who already do that for whatever reason, health, allergies or indeed ethics. But on top of this, it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that you'd just be eating grass-fed beef and nothing else. Chickens, turkeys, pigs etc are fed on grains, not on grass, so you'd be just eating beef and no other animal products, and you'd not be eating wheat. Nobody does this in reality, so the claim falls flat. You don't need to eat wheat if you really are concerned with the practices. You can eat anything else, it doesn't have to be beef.

[Anonymous No.11984074]

Ever notice how only white people eat these pseudofoods? Ever notice the constant paid and automated anti-meat shilling?
Ever wonder who funds the anti-meat agenda? Ever heard of fat soluble vitamins and nutrient bioavailability? Ever heard of the Kalergi plan or depopulation Agenda 21? Ever wonder the real reason why children consistently and naturally refuse to eat vegetables? Ever wonder what's really causing the obesity, cancer, diabetes, and autism epidemics? Do you regret being a formula-fed and completely brainwashed poopshitter who will inevitably die of a malnutritional metabolic disorder (disease)? How does it feel being a completely ignorant shitfactory who willingly ingests indigestible fibrous roughage and callouses their colon? Are you ashamed of your plant-based retardation?

[Anonymous No.11984080]

>>11984064
>Chickens, turkeys, pigs etc are fed on grains

I try not to eat them, not healthy and the animals have terrible short enclosed lives. Grass fed beef and lamb is a far superior product for human health, and animals getting a pretty decent life outdoors before they become meat.

>Personal choices-

I choose to give my money to ranchers so they can let their cows roam on vast acres of grassland/

Vegans choose to give their money to vegetables farmers to pay for chemical pesticides which genocide (the actual design of the chemical agent) genocide huge numbers of small animals and bugs. (and then the vegans claim to care about animals? Must be a gaslighting campaign because this reasoning is insane.

http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.11984088]

>>11984074
Another man caught up in the throes of addiction by the meaty jew. Just the mere thought of having to go even a single day without his vice sends him into a furious rage, like a methhead being deprived of their fix.

[Anonymous No.11984108]

Imagine developing severe acne during your teenage years, only pooping once every 3 days and needing to shower twice a day because the merest hint of sweat causes you to reek like a decaying carcass only to then insist that a diet of almost nothing but meat is in fact a good thing.

[Anonymous No.11984120]

>>11984064
I already discussed with this dude, he thinks that since he lives in the middle of nowhere the world is one vast pasture where ranchers "can let their cows roam". He also believes that grass cannot be contaminated by human activities and all the antibiotics that cows are fed don't find their way in the soil and eventually the grass...
Then he makes inane claims that eating organic veggies kills more animal than eating meat.
Reminds me of that car magazine that claimed that cyclists were more harmful to the environment than motorists with 130 moves of the sorriest mental gymnastic.

[Anonymous No.11984137]

>>11984108
that still sounds better than being a vegan.

[Anonymous No.11984198]

>>11981892
It's either to help people adapt to the diet or to experience the feeling of eating meat without killing animals. Personally I'm not interested in mock meats being exactly like meat - I actually miss products with milk and eggs in them far more - I'm happy with them to have more of a veg or nut flavor to them. That being said I think the Beyond Burgers are overpriced. Over in UK there are No Bull Burgers. They are £2 for two quarter pound patties that come in different flavors and they taste pretty damn good. 23g of protein each as well so the macros decent.

[Anonymous No.11984206]

>>11984137

[Anonymous No.11984209]

>>11984137
Are you sure about that?

[Anonymous No.11984398]

I ate these and they smell like shit when cooked. Maybe I just forgot how beef actually smells when cooked, I can't stand it

[Anonymous No.11984418]

>>11982168
>taste and smell of dog food
This is how I feel about tgif's beyond meat burger.

[Anonymous No.11984527]

>>11982168
they are really not bad, you must have cooked it improperly

[Anonymous No.11985430]

>>11984088
like a screaming vegan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6JBICT9OQ4

[Anonymous No.11985444]

>>11984209
>Posts a drawing, something that is not real.
>Thinks we're in the British Navy in 1511

Just worry about your own vegan teeth in the mirror, don't worry about my perfect carnivore teeth lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rieOahGXUU

Plus I consume citrus like his Lordship Sv3rige lol.

[Anonymous No.11986007]

Not a vegan nor vegetarian, but I have been buying more vegetarian shit lately. IF it's reasonably priced that is. The guilttrip surcharge doesn't work on me. If it's so much cheaper to produce the price should show it.
Anyway, veggieburgers aren't even that bad, but yeah, they're ridiculous. It's just the only vegetarian thing they sell I can throw on a grill when I'm in a rush.

[Anonymous No.11986243]

>>11983904
>>11983571
A carnist is a retard who eats animal products because of advertising and inability of critical thinking. A majority of them are obese, thus they are all fat (see the equivalent of your argument)
They live short lifespans, die of malnutrition, heart disease, cancer, atherosclerosis, and suicide (small dicks probably)

[Anonymous No.11986253]

>>11984137
>modern obesity carnist cult
lmao imagine

[Anonymous No.11986262]

>>11985444
>muh sun-staring, prematurely bald, dyel, flat-earth, mentally ill lordship
lmao do carnists really?

[Anonymous No.11986277]

>>11981892
I tried this because my friend bought it. Here's my review
>Overpriced at 5$ for two patties
>Tastes the same as any other veggie burger, but higher quality, like one you might get at a restaurant
>Does not taste like meat
>Does not have the texture of meat
>Doesn't retain moisture in the same way ground beef might
It's a tasty veggie patty, but has no business in claiming it's going to provide the same experience as actual meat.

[Anonymous No.11986279]

>>11985444
https://youtu.be/cucs9NHVIVY
>carnism
Not even once

[Anonymous No.11986284]

We have angered the vegan. Watch as it displays it's mental illness, brought on by deficiencies. Little does the vegan know that he may be part of 80% who quit veganism.

But vegans reject this idea. There is no ex vegans, just former plant-based

[Anonymous No.11986303]

>>11986284
>implying
newfag
https://youtu.be/7hAZRsRTWgg
Here is a video that may help you accept your newfound cult of carnism.
>being so triggered that you spam anti-veganism for 16 hours a day, every day per week
You've never made an argument logical-fallacy-fatass.

[Anonymous No.11986354]

As with other cults, veganism suffers from idolatry. They would rather defend a known serial rapist than face the possibility of false idols.
>No it's lies! Do you know how damaging this would be for the vegan movement among omniscum
They slandered and spread lies about a man who stood up for justice as he was damaging veganism

[Anonymous No.11986367]

>>11986277
>t.meat industry shill

[Anonymous No.11986383]

>>11981892
Because everyone wants to experience nostalgia. That's the point of these simulations.

[Anonymous No.11986397]

https://youtu.be/gk3YvBzmBys
>carnists can barely form thoughts and have a rational decision

[Anonymous No.11986426]

>>11981892
They don't mind the taste, they mind where it comes from.

[Anonymous No.11987189]

>>11986262
>Trying so hard to defend my starvation cult
>Failing so hard

[Anonymous No.11987199]

>>11986284
YOU WERE NEVER VEGAN!!!!

[Anonymous No.11987355]

>>11987189
You look like shit and your arguments suck milkjar. Please stop.
t. Sverige

[Anonymous No.11987362]

>>11987355
Milkjar looks great, a fucking legend.

Now your average vegan on the other hand?

[Anonymous No.11987418]

>>11987362
now you/we know that you're retarded
if you think you're handsome, you've gotta be deranged
you've been laughed at by the entire youtube community
i know youre not him, so lets get down to brass tax, because nobody but you is going to read this fucking wall:
you've never made a proper argument
you can fling shit and scream fallacies, cherry pick, and spend 16 hours on 4chan but-
you'll nevertheless make zero impact here nobody watches your videos, nobody thought you were funny, you only get responses from vegans, nobody has followed you logically, and you were completely destroyed with every argument YOU YOURSELF brought to the table
you're an utter moron, nobody actually sees your side, anyone with a high school degree outside of the third world can see every fallacy you make, and you are a laughing stock
I can't comprehend how you do this willingly
I seriously can't imagine a life that would bring me to this. I see you every single day that I'm on 4chan. I post occasionally and lurk the same threads you do (out of hobby as opposed to hatred). You search for 3-4 keywords on 4chan. I've singled them out. I look for them too because when you post, I get a kick out of it. I give you a reponse once and awhile. You're never funny though, your fallicious argument is stale, and I truly think you have a mental disorder. Seek help my friend. Seek help. I'm not saying go vegan. I'm not saying you should stop buttchugging chickendicks.
I'm saying you should seek help. Professional help. You'll find yourself and be more fulfilled. Do it for someone who has been watching and analyzing you for awhile. Also if you don't, I'll pull the trigger. I'm watching you.

[Anonymous No.11987438]

>>11987418
>inb4 umad/triggered

[Anonymous No.11988146]

>>11987418
The supreme scientist will show you vtards when he debates Dr Davis next weekend

[Anonymous No.11989426]

>>11981892
Because veganism is still largely a fad diet for upper middle class metrosexual Westerners. A lot of them don't cook and have little life experience beyond their personal bubble. A lot of them are utterly ignorant on actual vegan-ish traditional diets from Asia and the like which make full use of the veggies they have. This leads to a market for processed products that deliberately ape (or 'redefine') existing popular fast food, because that's what the target audience wants. This is also the reason why there are meme veggies and products that are paraded as vegan superfoods, because it's easy money made of of gullible fools who follow trends.

tl;dr fake meats aren't aimed at current omnivores, but already-vegans for cultural and monetary reasons.

[Anonymous No.11989453]

>>11981894
I tried the Beyond Meat burger and brats in a supermarket sample and...I have to say, aside from the slightly mushy texture I expect out of veggieburgers, the taste was very meat-like. Especially the bratwurst.

I hope people don't buy them thinking they're healthy, though.

[Anonymous No.11989471]

>>11981892
Those burgers aren't marketed to vegans. They're for meat eaters who want a "healthy" alternative.

[Anonymous No.11989526]

>>11981892
This has to be the most basic bitch pre school level anti vegan argument lmfao.

>if murdering and stealing is so bad why do you play murder simulators like GTA?

[Anonymous No.11989749]

>>11982718
Vegan mothers damage their unborn foetuses and kill their babies with their nutrient-deficient breast milk.

[Anonymous No.11990552]

>>11981892
It really is pathetic, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.11992066]

>>11981892
They live in a world of contradictions.

[Anonymous No.11992284]

>>11982184
Stone crab claws. They harvest by snapping off one claw and tossing the crab back in the ocean.

[Anonymous No.11992861]

some of those bean veggie burgers with fresh bacon on it is pretty godtier as a snack meal.

[Anonymous No.11993045]

>>11981892
We dont all do that. This is for people transitioning. After week 4 I didnt miss meat at all. Been 8 years now, still dont miss it. CHEESE pizza is what I miss nigga. Vegan cheese has come a long way but, still not 100% accurate.

Meat isnt even that good, if you dont believe me abstain from it for 4 weeks, then go buy a steak, highest quality you want - cook it but DO NOT season it in any way and try and eat it. you wont be able to finish.

[Anonymous No.11993200]

>>11993045
>Unseasoned food is bland

Woah. This is the power of vegan malnutrition.

[Anonymous No.11993572]

>>11993200
All seasoning is vegan though
B T F O

[Anonymous No.11993589]

>>11981892
you answered your own question.
why the fuck would someone who already eats the real thing want to simulate it?

[Anonymous No.11993645]

>>11993589
It's healthier, better for the environment, ethically superior, and doesn't make you fat or give you cancer

[Anonymous No.11993649]

>>11981892
>if veganfags are so against eating meat why do you eat vegan food?

[Anonymous No.11993652]

>>11993645
None of those things are true.

[Anonymous No.11993657]

>>11981892
Are you an idiot? Sure some give it up because they don't like meat, but many do because of environmental impact and animal abuse. They make these products so you can still enjoy something close to it comparatively without the mentioned problems.

[Anonymous No.11993668]

>>11993652

[Anonymous No.11993689]

>>11993668
Heath seems similar.

Better for the enfiornment? Very doubtful. Are you factoring in all that extra packaging and the factory processing to make it? Because I just buy a piece of meat from the butcher and grind it to make a burger. No plastic packaging. No industrial processing in a polluting plant somewhere, etc.

>>ethically superior
very dubious, especially with all that unneeded packaging, and the fact that farming still kills animals.

>>doesn't make you fat
Over-consumption makes people fat, not the food itself. Don't blame inanimate objects for some people's poor decision-making.

>>give you cancer
Everything gives you cancer.

[Anonymous No.11993749]

>>11993689
>Everything gives you cancer.
Eating meat will increase your risk for cancer however. And no your meat straight from the butcher still isn't better for the environment. The process of farming and raising livestock is terrible for the environment, and also the leading cause of species extinction, ocean dead zones, and so much more. Just stop eating meat, it's as simple as saying your taste buds aren't worth more than the life of an animal.

[Anonymous No.11993766]

>>11993749
>Eating meat will increase your risk for cancer however
not enough for me to care about. It's only the highly processed stuff that's risky, and that applies to any kind of highly processed food, plant products included.

>> The process of farming and raising livestock is terrible for the environment
So is factory farming. I make an effort to source fully pasture-raised meat. I don't buy factory farmed meat or produce.

>>and also the leading cause of species extinction
no, that would be invasive species competing with native ones.

>>ocean dead zones
that would be plastic pollution, as well as fertilizer runoff from farming.

>> it's as simple as saying your taste buds aren't worth more than the life of an animal.
Why? Avoiding meat isn't going to save animals, and will cuck my heath to boot. You have blinders on. The real enemy is not meat, it's industrialization. I guarantee you the pig I slaughter every winter represents far less environmental harm than me getting that same amount of nutrition from the supermarket, and I suspect that this "carnist" grows far more of his own vegetables than you do.

[Anonymous No.11993782]

>>11993689
>seems similar
Less saturated fat, no cholesterol, more healthy protein, more iron

>very doubtful
Enormous difference in emissions of all kind, leftover waste from shit, plastic is the only thing and it’s completely negligible considering the amount of pollution caused by cattle.

>very dubious
Yeah for a retard like you, 0+0 = 0. 1+1=2.

>Over-consumption makes people fat, not the food itself. Don't blame inanimate objects for some people's poor decision-making.
Strawmanning

>Everything gives you cancer.
Okay. So consume one pound of plutonium and then one pound of broccoli. Tell me how you feel about the risk of cancer from that

[Anonymous No.11993801]

>>11993766
>not enough for me to care about.
No one cares about you, faggot. Don’t shift from the braindead narrative of “everything cancer xD” to “not good enough for me!!”

>processed stuff that's risky, and that applies to any kind of highly processed food, plant products included.
You’re making shit up

>So is factory farming
Okay? Cows are factory farmed too. Pasture raised doesnt stop pollution. Grass fed cows emit 4x the methane than grain fed

>no, that would be invasive species competing with native ones.
it’s not an either or thing. Cows ARE an invasive species anyways

>no
Yes. Again it’s not an either or thing. You have no idea what you’re talking about

>hurrrr durrrr ill make shit up and say the leadin cause of pollution dindu nuffin!!’
Retarded faggot

[Anonymous No.11993812]

>>11993782
>Less saturated fat, no cholesterol, more healthy protein, more iron
All true, but not a significant enough difference to matter. My diet is already low in sat fat. Dietary cholesterol is meaningless. I get plenty of protein already, and as for iron there is no source on earth which competes with liver.

>>Enormous difference in emissions of all kind
If you have data I'd love to see it. don't forget to include the oil we pumped out of the ground to get the plastic, (including the shit we spilled along the way), the land we took for the oil refinery and the plastics plant, the pollution involved in shipping that plastic around, molding it, etc.

>>Strawmanning
Hell no.

>>plutonium
I'd be dead from radiation poisoning long before the cancer killed me.

Look, I know you want a simple answer and its easy to blame everything on meat. But the fact is that's simply wrong. It's not that simple at all.

[Anonymous No.11993819]

>>11993766
>no, that would be invasive species competing with native ones.
No not at all actually, there is massive deforestation going on in the Amazon and other rain forests just to make room for cattle ranching/growing crops for said cattle, thus destroying thousands of habitats and leading to the extinction of native species. Grass fed beef is also way more resource intensive than factory farming, it's not a viable solution.
>no, that would be invasive species competing with native ones.
Wrong again, it's actually from the runoff of cattle farms. I agree industrialization is terrible for our environment as well, but the fact still stands that the cow or any other animal you consume doesn't want to die, and if we don't have to consume them, then why do it at all?
It's much better for our health, and the health of our planet to adopt a plant based diet.

[Anonymous No.11993821]

[Anonymous No.11993836]

>>11993801
>No one cares about you
you seem to, after all you're replying.

>>You’re making shit up
no, I'm not. Read pic related. It's a morningstar meatless product. Sound "healthy" to you?

>>Okay? Cows are factory farmed too.
Indeed, and that's bad. But you don't have to meatless to stop factory farming.

>>Pasture raised doesnt stop pollution.
I never claimed it did. the point of pasture-raised is that the meat tastes better and the cows have "one bad day" rather than suffering in cages or feedlots.

>>methane
I advocate fighting this problem by reducing meat consumption, not eliminating it.

>>it’s not an either or thing.
Sure it is. anon said that farming was the biggest cause of species extinction. That's factually incorrect, and I was explaining why.

>> Cows ARE an invasive species anyways
yeah, but not one which kills the species it competes with. you want to save species from extinction? A good starting point would be to work on eradicating European Sparrows from elsewhere in the world, as well as cats and rats.

[Anonymous No.11993839]

>>11993812
Facts do not care about your
meaningless biased feelings

>if you have data
It’s in the image, clearly. Are you going to post any data for anything you’re saying?

>hell no
Yes. You set up a nonexistent talking point

>I’d be dead from radiation poisoning
Oh look, it’s autistic too. Again. Do you literally have the same confidence of walking through a Fukushima reactor to the same amount of time walking through sunlight?

Look, I know you’re a fat retard with no original thought in his life and can’t admit he’s dumber than he already is. But arguing against reality is futile and you look like an enormous faggot doing it

[Anonymous No.11993856]

>>11981892
First off, fuck all you preachy vegan fags.

Secondly, the patty itself is pretty decent and I've gotten them a few times; only real issue is the massive amount of sodium.

[Anonymous No.11993857]

>>11993836
>no you!
Great argument faggot

>no im not
“Processed plants” whatever the fuck that refers to does not have similar carcinogenic risk to meat. I don’t care what “sounds” healthy like some stupid sub 80 iq monkey like you. I care about what is actually healthy which you don’t have the feintest fucking clue of

>you dont have to
You do, sorry, faggot

>i never claimed it did
Then bringing up pasture as a comparison is meaningless. Because it is every bit as worse if not worse

>the point is this shit nobody was talking about
Cool story

>reducing
Wow, what a brilliant solution! Keep the problem instead of eliminating it!

>sure it is
Another great argument, what a retarded worthless faggot you are

>yeah but not one
Yeah that doesn’t matter retard. It doesn’t need to have prey to have an impact.

You are really fucking stupid dude

[Anonymous No.11993861]

>>11993819
>there is massive deforestation going on in the Amazon
There is, and it's bad. But it's nothing compared to the effects of cats, rats, birds, and insects which we humans have spread around the world.

>>Grass fed beef is also way more resource intensive than factory farming, it's not a viable solution.
I agree 100% that it's unsustainable at current rates. Luckily we don't have to eliminate it, we can simply reduce it instead.

>>but the fact still stands that the cow or any other animal you consume doesn't want to die
It doesn't understand what death is.

>>and if we don't have to consume them, then why do it at all?
Because the alternative of not consuming them is worse in every way. It's less healthy for us. It's more labor, and it creates more enviornmental harm.

The least harmful diet is the one humans had prior to industrialization: small, closed-loop, local farms. You raised mostly crops and supplemented with small amounts of meat. the animals are fed using the leftovers from the farm which humans cannot eat. The animal's waste is used to fertilize the fields. It's a closed-loop system that requires no fertilizer, no animal feed production, no trucks or ships spewing smoke to move things around the world.

My pig fed with kitchen scraps causes a lot less environmental harm to feed me during the winter than it would if I went out and bought beyond meat products from the supermarket every day.

[Anonymous No.11993877]

>>11993839
>It’s in the image, clearly
A single image doesn't address that topic, anon.

>>Yes. You set up a nonexistent talking point
how so? you brought up people being overweight. I pointed out that's a people problem not a food problem.

>> Do you literally have the same confidence of walking through a Fukushima reactor to the same amount of time walking through sunlight?
Of course not. That's the point, really. the fact that meat eating raises my cancer risk from .0002% to .00031% doesn't' bother me. Just like the how sunlight might give me melanoma, the risk isn't significant enough to warrant taking action.

>> But arguing against reality is futile and you look like an enormous faggot doing it
big words from someone who oversimplifies everything into a singular scapegoat.

[Anonymous No.11993903]

>>11993857
>“Processed plants” whatever the fuck that refers to does not have similar carcinogenic risk to meat. If you have data I'd love to see it.

>Then bringing up pasture as a comparison is meaningless
Nope. I brought it up for a different reason than the one you supposed.

>>Wow, what a brilliant solution! Keep the problem instead of eliminating it!
Eliminating meat from one's diet IS a problem, because there are many vital nutrients which are far more bioavailable from a meat source than a plant one. Eliminating all meat from your diet is far less healthy than eating a low-meat diet. Also, retainging some meat production lets use use the byproducts for fertilizer as well as other products like medicine. Raising meat and crops in the correct ratio allows a farm to operate closed loop without the need for any industrial assistance. If you go with too much meat or too much veg then you become dependent on pesticides, fertilizers, and so on. No-meat is far worse for your health and the environment than low-meat.

>>Yeah that doesn’t matter retard.
sure it does. Your claim was that cows were bad because they kill native species, yet that's simply not true.

[Anonymous No.11993907]

>>11993877
>a single image doesn’t address that topic
Neither does a single fat retard like you saying it doesn’t. This is the basis of the universal consensus that dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol, almost entirely LDL, which is bad for your health

>how so
It’s really simple, unfortunately that’s probably too complex for you. You set up argument i no make! You make it seem i say this even tho i no do it!

>of course not
Then again you made another irrelevant point. Nobody cares what bothers you, faggot. You can’t give an absolutely abhorrent interpretation of statistics then just claim it only matters as much as it does to you, it’s roughly an absolute risk increase of about 10% which is significant to anyone that actually has a functioning cerebal cortex

>simplies everything
Thats rich coming from the braindead faggot who just says “nuh uh meat dindu nuffin!!!” with nothing to support his position

[Anonymous No.11993921]

>>11993907
>Neither does a single fat retard like you saying it doesn’t.
I didn't make a claim, I asked you for data. You haven't been able to provide it, and now you've started slinging insults at me? I'll take that as a sign you've given up your silly argument.

[Anonymous No.11993928]

>>11993903
So you made yet ANOTHER irrelevant point? Or are you just admitting to backtracking?

>more bioavailable
You know what’s most bioavailable with very few drawbacks? Vitamins.

>Eliminating all meat from your diet is far less healthy than eating a low-meat diet.
Cool baseless conjecture as usual.

>they kill native species
Not directly like I said you retard. They obviously dont hunt. They displace actual native buffalo and natural predators, shifting them from their natural habitats or usually getting hunted in addition to the soil and grass being overgrazed

You are so fucking stupid. You absolutely refuse to even comprehend a word I’m saying. Go choke down another sausage, fat faggot

[Anonymous No.11993932]

>>11993921
So you’re blind, retarded, and a hypocrite? What data are you requesting that’s not been provided in the images? Where’s the data for your claims? You really are a worthless faggot

[Anonymous No.11993939]

>>11981892
I'm a vegan for environmental concerns. It doesn't mean I don't love the taste and texture of meat. It means I choose a product that is less resource intensive, or if I was an ethical vegan, involves less total suffering.

Personally, I'm waiting for lab grown meat to become affordable, as it has a similar impact to the current meat alternatives.

[Anonymous No.11993941]

>>11986243
That's not the definition of carnist retarded vegan

[Anonymous No.11993946]

>>11993928
>So you made yet ANOTHER irrelevant point?
Nope, you're just bad at identifying what's relevant and what's not.

>>You know what’s most bioavailable with very few drawbacks? Vitamins.
Nope, most vitamins have horrible bioavialability.

>>Cool baseless conjecture as usual.
There's nothing baseless about it. Name a vegetable which can compete nutrition-wise with liver.

>>Not directly like I said you retard
If your goal is to reduce the rate of native species extinction then why are you wasting your effort with cows when there is much lower-hanging fruit on the tree?

>>You are so fucking stupid
Wow, that erudite argument sure convinced me.

>>You absolutely refuse to even comprehend a word I’m saying
Oh, I comprehend it just fine. It's just that whatever you say is either wrong or irrelevant. You sound like you're arguing based on some kind of faith-based position rather than a logical one. It's like talking to a religious fundamentalist.

[Anonymous No.11993962]

>>11993932
>What data are you requesting that’s not been provided in the images?
I haven't even clicked on a single image you posted, because even from the thumbnail I can see there is no text explaining the source of the data or the methodology used in the "study"

I specifically asked you for data supporting your claim that the OP product produces less pollution than a standard hamburger patty. I expect the data to take into account the whole picture, including packaging and transportation of the goods in question. That's the one thing I asked you for.

>>Where’s the data for your claims?
Feel free to ask me for data for a specific one and I'll post it.

[Anonymous No.11993963]

>>11993946
I'd say I'm more bad about identifying what some constantly goalposting moving faggot is about to shift to next, but sure.

>most vitamins have horrible bioavailability
Nope

>There's nothing baseless about it
Actually there is, especially since you continue to give zero data. I don't know many vegetables off the top of my head which can give me heavy metal poisoning

>why are you wasting your effort with the one of the biggest polluters in the world and actual causes of species extinction that can be easily eliminated?
I wonder why?

>wow that sure convinced me
Nobody's trying to convince your retarded ass of anything. You have zero concrete arguments, this is just an exercise in exposing dumbasses like you and the retarded narratives you hold. Stay triggered you dumb little bitch

[Anonymous No.11993967]

>>11993962
>i havent even investigated the data because i dont believe it in it

Yep, we're done here. You're a worthless faggot. You have no interest in actually discussing anything. You're a fat fuck loser with bird brains

[Anonymous No.11993969]

>>11993939
>Personally, I'm waiting for lab grown meat to become affordable

Do we know anything about the environmental impact of that yet or is it all just theoretical? Currently it's pretty bad: it takes a lot of energy to heat up the vessel the "lab meat" is grown in which means the energy costs are high, plus the starting point is basically a cow fetus smoothie which isn't great either.

[Anonymous No.11993975]

Just here for posterity since this faggot loser isn’t even trying to pretend to make an argument

[Anonymous No.11993976]

>>11981892
My vegan friends took me once to some vegan burger restaurant.
Surprisingly, the soy(?) part that was supposed to imitate meat was pretty neat. It didn't had facture like meat but was really tasty. However the rest of the burger was just shit, the bun, the ingredients. It doesn't even compete with McDonald.
But the "meat" part was great.

[Anonymous No.11993977]

>>11993939
Beyond Burger is closer to meat than any lab grown meat will be in the near future. If you actually cared you’d be touting this rather than “waiting”

[Anonymous No.11993978]

>>11993969
My main concern has always been fresh water usage, as I am concerned about the depletion of deep water aquifers. It takes a hell of a lot less per pound than animal agriculture, and I'm counting on renewable energy to make up the energy difference. I'm assuming of course that my nation will make an infrastructure investment in renewables in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.11993980]

>>11982184
>Now how do you get the flavor and texture of meat without killing an animal?
lab-grown meat

[Anonymous No.11993984]

>>11993977
>implying I don't consume the Beyond Burger and Impossible Burger.

They're both really close. But in the end, they're no exactly the same. A cloned product is.

[Anonymous No.11993986]

>>11993939
>I'm a vegan for environmental concerns

What does that mean? You are vegan because you like to plow over natural forest for your avocado addiction? (Answer is yes, because that's what it means) vegans care fuck all about the environment, and they bombard the earth and the Earth's creatures with chemical weapons with every vegan mouthful their dollars pay for (chemical pesticides)

Vegans are at war with the environment.

https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/ordering-vegetarian-meal-there-s-more-animal-blood-your-hands/

[Anonymous No.11993995]

>>11993984
You sort of implied that, but nonetheless, lab grown meat is all tough shitty muscle tissue. Just Foods was on the brink of something with chicken feathers allegedly but they're seemingly going under for one reason or another. Mass "lab grown" produce in greenhouses is the true future

[Anonymous No.11994002]

>>11993986
Are you in any way aware of the amount of deforestation that animal agriculture has required? Do some reading. And I actually agree with your avocado point. I don't eat them. I make a pretty serious effort to eat seasonally from locally grown sources because of deforestation, and fossil fuel use.

I actually get most of my vegetables from my garden, and a local farmer's market. This time of year, I'm eating mostly beans and stuff I canned in the fall.

But yeah, most vegans aren't environmentalists. They just dislike animal slaughter. Personally, I couldn't give a fuck less about suffering.

[Anonymous No.11994009]

>>11993986
Sorry fatty bald pedo, veganism and veganic farming in general takes up significantly less land, causes less deaths, and less pollution
>>11993928
>>11993857
>>11993801
>>11993782

https://fewd.univie.ac.at/fileadmin/user_upload/inst_ethik_wiss_dialog/Matheny__G._2003_Defense_of_Veg__in_J._Agric_Ethics.pdf
Your article was debunked

[Anonymous No.11994011]

>>11993980
>Cows never get to have a life.
>Cows never get to be born and feel the warmth of the sun
>While grazing on endless acres of grass their natural food.

>Babby cows never get to be born and romp around with their pals (yes babby cows do this)

Every aspect of Veganism is satanic and evil.

[Anonymous No.11994012]

>>11993995
Fair enough, Most of the "meat" I consume these days is Gardein. I love their meatless balls. I use Boca crumbles a lot for tacos, and as an addendum to my lentil sloppy joes.

[Anonymous No.11994015]

>>11981892
Because being vegan has always been about virtue signalling. They don't care about the environment or animals. It's all about how many likes they can get on faceberg, and how often they can make a scene in front of an audience.

[Anonymous No.11994025]

>>11994015
>caring about something enough that you want others to try it

How dare they? Who the fuck do they think they are?

[Anonymous No.11994028]

>>11994002
>Are you in any way aware of the amount of deforestation that animal agriculture has required

For who China? For all the free food we send to Africa? Your point is empty because whites like me are not increasing, nor do we demand more meat for anything?

You are basically putting Chinese demand, on my lap. Are you a sophist idiot spewing idiotic arguments, or do you want me to go hungry so Chinese can have full bellies? (I'll answer for you: the answer is , both)

[Anonymous No.11994036]

>>11994028
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-02/have-a-meaty-new-year-americans-will-eat-record-amount-in-2018

orly

[Anonymous No.11994040]

>>11993689
>better for the environment? very doubtful
Plant agriculture isn't exactly environmentally friendly itself. Pesticides getting into soil/groundwater/air, fertilizer use leads to nitrous oxide emissions (which are ~200x worse than carbon dioxide in terms of heat trapping), deforestation is a big problem because of how much area plant farming requires, you have to deal with soil erosion (which could leave poorly or over-farmed areas with infertile soil), and even then you still have to transport and maintain the crops which end up having a hefty toll in carbon dioxide emissions.

Non-meat products are generally much better for the environment. Animals are really good at producing methane (~20 times worse than carbon dioxide in terms of heat trapping), they are pretty much the most resource intensive consumable we produce, and the process of raising animals is extremely water inefficient. Keep in mind you need to feed animals a lot of crop to just to grow them, so consider the first paragraph set of plant problems also added to these. Animals are just flatly wasteful products to make, and their production really does hurt the environment. Getting rid of them wouldn't solve our climate problem, but agriculture is currently either the biggest or one of the biggest contributors to climate change (depending on how you measure, such as by metric ton of greenhouse gasses, the wavelengths of radiation the chemicals interact with, or other relative global warming potentials including how long the gasses are in the air before being cycled out through rainwater, how reactive they are with other airborne chemicals, etc.).

>>11993766
Don't confuse animal farming vs plant farming with organic farming vs conventional farming. Organic farming is worse for the environment and just as big of a buzzword as vegan or vegetarian food. You are getting duped at the supermarket if that's your reason for buying organic.

>>11993652
one of those things was true

[Anonymous No.11994042]

>>11994025
What do vegans care about? It's not animals or the environment, so what is it? Only answer that makes sense is the commeraderie of their starvation cult.

(Vegans commit mass scale genocide of animal and insects on every large scale farm which provides their food, which they freely and voluntarily fund)

https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/ordering-vegetarian-meal-there-s-more-animal-blood-your-hands/

[Anonymous No.11994045]

>>11994025
>playing the victim
Another wonderful tactic exercised by vegans.

[Anonymous No.11994047]

>>11994036
There's no point in replying to that schizophrenic retard. He literally only cares about getting the last word in.

[Anonymous No.11994050]

>>11994011
Horses didn't completely disappear once we invented cars, did they?

[Anonymous No.11994058]

>>11981892
Why are anti vegan fags so dumb and somehow even more obnoxious than vegans? I eat meat, but I'm not stupid enough to believe that vegans are diametrically opposed to every aspect of meat. They are opposed to the part where animals suffer and die, not the taste and texture you fucking moron. Thinking a burger tastes good and believing in veganism aren't mutually exclusive things.

[Anonymous No.11994059]

>>11994058
youre supposed to be a dogmatic autist on either spectrum gtfo

[Anonymous No.11994061]

>>11994047
Just laughing at vegan starvelings and pointing out where vegans show themselves to be total and complete lying hypocrites.

Just tell the truth for once and I won't have anything to say against vegans, I don't care if you want to starve yourself.

[Anonymous No.11994065]

>>11994042
It takes around 7 times the amount of agriculture space, and thus 7 times the amount of incidental deaths to produce the same amount of calories. Your argument from futility is pointless. Obviously less harm is the goal, even if it isn't a perfect solution.

And your idea that vegans don't care about "x" is retarded as well. Obviously there is a diverse population of vegans, who all come to it for different reasons. For me, the recommendations of the United Nations Environment Program are reason enough to have made the change. Other people are concerned with suffering. Others cite health concerns.

>>11994047
>I was wrong, and now I will deflect

[Anonymous No.11994074]

>>11994065
You are wasting your time, Carneyfag has no functioning mental faculties

[Anonymous No.11994079]

>>11994065
>It takes around 7 times the amount of agriculture space, and thus 7 times the amount of incidental deaths to produce the same amount of calories.

Extremely empty and disengenuous argument. Cows on pasture requires no culling of frogs, turtles Rabbits deer etc. Every large scale vegetables farm requires total culling of all living things from insect size to deer size. Your vegetables farms are a Holocaust of living things every single day (while vegans in a staggering act of hypocrisy pretend to care about animals)


>And your idea that vegans don't care about "x" is retarded as well.

Vegans who literally commission and fund chemical warfare upon wild animals have zero right to claim they give a slightest fuck about animals.

We all know the whole "I care about animals" shtik is just a deflection or justification for their anorexia cult.

https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/ordering-vegetarian-meal-there-s-more-animal-blood-your-hands/

[Anonymous No.11994086]

>>11994079
>Every large scale vegetables farm requires total culling of all living things from insect size to deer size
Me? I'm the gopher man. Gophers, ground squirrels, woodchucks, prairie dogs....you name it, I'm the guy they call.

[Anonymous No.11994107]

>>11994040
I just wanted to add that I am not vegan or vegetarian, and that I don't care about the well-being of farm animals. Organic farms are probably nicer for a chicken or cow to live in, but they are so much worse are producing them that the enterprise seem worthless and trendy to me.

[Anonymous No.11994120]

>>11994074
Meanwhile, we "carneyfags" are doing more for the enviornment than you ever will.

I bought 4 acres last year. I've planted two dozen trees, and I'm growing a lot of my own veggies. I'm getting chickens later this year. Here's some beans, peppers, and tomatoes I've started already. Shortly, once the last winter freeze is past, they'll be going outdoors.

How about you? What is your preachy whiny ass growing? Or are you like the rest of your cult, all whine and no real action?

[Anonymous No.11994128]

>>11994086
Looks like you're good at your job lol. Killing wild animals, funded by, paid for and commissioned to do it by "animal loving" vegans.

Ever do any work with deer or hogs? You could get a fringe benefit of that kind of work which would be the meat.

[Anonymous No.11994132]

>>11994079
>he believes that more than 3% of cows are grass fed.

The vast majority of animal agriculture is done on feedlots. This means that even if we're being extremely generous, 90% of meat uses the same land conservation techniques as other industrial plant agriculture, and thus, the same destruction of natural habitats. But again, the idea is, if you don't have to feed 7 calories to produce 1, you need less land.

Start doing some research without an end in mind. The more reading you do, the more you will find a consensus that shifting away from meat and dairy is better in every way for the environment. You don't even have to take my word for it. You can look at the collective studies of the WHO and UNEP.

Anyways. I'm sodding off for a nice stir fry. Enjoy proving your ignorance.

[Anonymous No.11994136]

>>11994120
>he virtue signals about having a home garden
Lmao

[Anonymous No.11994138]

>>11994120
Not part of whatever argument is going on.

But those plants look comfy, as does your plot of land sound.

[Anonymous No.11994151]

>>11994136
Let's see yours then, compadre.

Anyway, virtue signalling doesn't even work on an anonymous forum. There's no link between the signal and me. Instead, this is about calling out a keyboard warrior who can't even do something this easy.

[Anonymous No.11994154]

>>11994120
I feed myself using 1.3 acres supplemented with bulk purchased beans and grains. I also supplement with some frozen products as a occasional treat. I used to raise quail and rabbits for meat, and later decided I don't need all of that hassle. Good on you for limiting the supply chain.

[Anonymous No.11994161]

>>11994086
Seems like a cushy gig anon. What do you pump in? At first I thought carbon monoxide like the nazis used because it would kill the squirrels quicker, but then I figured that carbon dioxide could suffocate them and since it's heavier than air you wouldn't have to deal with wearing a mask or keeping anything well ventilated. I figure a pesticide would be overkill since it might affect the soil, groundwater, or future crop.

[Anonymous No.11994165]

>>11994151
I'm currently in my hotel in the city, sorry honey, it's not like my mint, tomatoes, peppers are worth bragging about anyways

>theres no link between the signal and me
Uh yeah, right now youre talking about high and mighty you are for having something most 80 year olds have lol. I mean cool good for you I guess?

[Anonymous No.11994169]

>>11994132
>he believes that less than 97% of cows are grass fed, for the first 8 months of their lives.

I don't blame you for lying to promote your ANOREXIA cult, I know it's just how you do things, but the lies you vegans tell are jaw-dropping, you all deserve a Jesse Smallet award for amazing lying every day.

(In new Zealand and Ireland it's 100% of cows on grass)

https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/ordering-vegetarian-meal-there-s-more-animal-blood-your-hands/

[Anonymous No.11994175]

>>11981892
because it's still fucking delicious regardless of whether or not it's ethical
fucking duh
retard

[Anonymous No.11994177]

>>11994165
>veganfag
>not bragging about tomatoes

Something is afoot

[Anonymous No.11994180]

>>11994177
They're delicious but the farmers market a couple minutes away does them much better

[Anonymous No.11994185]

>>11994175
>√egan slop
>Delicious

[Anonymous No.11994186]

>>11994161
It's just the exhaust from the engine on the trailer. There's a pipe coming from the muffler that goes up to that big coil you see. The coil cools the exhaust down before it goes into the compressor which pumps it underground.

No pesticide, just exhaust. Interestingly, it does have a catalytic converter on it so it's "clean" exhaust I suppose?

[Anonymous No.11994193]

>>11994161
Was this post genuine?

[Anonymous No.11994200]

>>11994154
The supply chain thing bugs me, because too many people these days think that it's so easy to eat whatever you want year-round, because all they see is that their local MegaMart has tomatoes in stock year-round. But they never bother to think about how that tomato got there in January. And there's nothing enviornmentally friendly about the fleet of trucks, ships, warehouses, refrigerated storage units, etc, involved with that. It costs a lot of money. It generates a ton of pollution. Countless rodents and birds die because of poisons used to keep pest animals out of the supply chain. But hey, at least you can say that there was "no animal death" for that January tomato, right?

[Anonymous No.11994223]

>>11994128
I hunt deer on my own land, and I've also helped a friend out who is involved in a local FFA program which helps feed the community. The FFA kids raise hogs, and we work with some local farmers who have problems with deer on their land. The local university donates the use of their meat lab (FDA inspected/certified) and we make a ton of sausage. All the people involved get some, and the majority gets donated to the local food bank.

[Anonymous No.11994256]

>>11994223
Oh, and hogs.
Around here here feral hogs are a huge problem. They cause millions of dollars worth of crop damage, and they also spread disease too. (Remember the Spinach thing that killed a bunch of people in California a few years ago?...hog shit in the field) People shoot them on sight. I've shot them on my property but I've never been paid to do it. The small ones are damn good eating, as are the sows. You want to save the environment? Create a market for wild hog meat.

I did have one oddball pest control contract though: a gay couple who bought land out in the middle of nowhere were upset that the local raccoons were digging up their garden (they love mulch), and were killing their pet ducks. They told me, I quote:
>"Fifty bucks cash for each pair of raccoon ears I see on the fence when I drive back home in 2 days".

[Anonymous No.11994275]

>>11981892
because not eating meat and liking meat are not the same thing you fucking braindead.

[Anonymous No.11994281]

>>11994223
Nice. I would keep all the meat for myself and the farmers, but still sounds like a nice operation. Here is a question- are the wild hogs that they cull on farms ever eaten?

[Anonymous No.11994291]

>>11994200
>they never bother to think about how that tomato got there in January
It's called a hothouse, dum dum.

[Anonymous No.11994296]

>>11994275
Why are vegans so angry? Vitamin deficiencies?

[Anonymous No.11994332]

>>11994296
Retards are annoying, you're just not self-aware of it evidently enough

[Anonymous No.11994342]

>>11994281
Well, keeping the meat is not my choice. The whole thing is organized by someone in the FFA, I just happen to help out because I know a lot of the people involved through my job. I've helped with the butchering before, and let's just say a couple backstraps have been known to escape the sausage grinder.

>> are the wild hogs that they cull on farms ever eaten?
I don't have statistics on it, but a lot of it is. What seems to be the general consensus around here is that if they're 50 lbs or smaller, or a sow, then people eat them. I know of farmers donate the meat to charity as well. Sometimes through the food bank, other times through a church cookout where they give out free food. I'd guess that on the really huge farms where there might be hundreds of hogs not all the meat gets eaten, but that's just me guessing.

[Anonymous No.11994354]

>>11994291
If you're lucky that's the answer. Most likely it came from half a world away.

[Anonymous No.11994422]

>>11994028
Bite sized began looks like a gremlin

[Anonymous No.11994485]

>>11994342
Now I understand. I thought you were entirely in charge. Worked on a vegetables farm myself, and I was shocked to find out the owners were not vegan! Imagine my shock! (I also found out it was hard work)

Thanks for the info...

[Anonymous No.11994507]

>>11994422
So many of these vegans have this dry parched look to their faces, with unusual premature wrinkles. I wonder if it has anything to do with their deficient diet lol?

[Anonymous No.11994824]

>>11993801
>Okay? Cows are factory farmed too
In the US, about 32% of beef is on feed.
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/nahms/downloads/Demographics2016.pdf
Cattle, sheep and goats are grazing animals by nature and can be quite adequately sustained on grassland unsuitable for agriculture, it's pigs and chickens that are consume the most feed percentage-wise due to their nature
>>11994002
>Are you in any way aware of the amount of deforestation that animal agriculture has required? Do some reading.
The vast majority of that deforestation is to produce crops like soy to be exported as animal feed to richer countries. It's wrong to present it as something done solely due to animal husbandry, it's fertile land and it would be a prime target for agriculture regardless of where the crops would end up.
>In addition, Brazil is currently the second-largest global producer of soybeans after the United States, mostly for livestock feed, and as prices for soybeans rise, soy farmers pushing north into forested areas of the Amazon. As stated in the Constitution of Brazil, clearing land for crops or fields is considered an ‘effective use’ of land and is a first step toward land ownership.[7] Cleared property is also valued 5–10 times more than forested land and for that reason valuable to the owner whose ultimate objective is resale. The soy industry is an important exporter for Brazil
>>11993749
>Eating meat will increase your risk for cancer however.
This is a meme. There is evidence that the people that consume the most processed meats are 18% more likely to develop a specific cancer, which sounds quite scary until you consider that all it means is that you MIGHT bump your lifetime risk of colorectal cancer up from 4,49% to 5,29% if you're eat massive amounts of processed meats.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/eating-meat-causes-cancer-lets-get-this-right/

The zero carb autist can khs but y'all need to do some research of your own.

[Anonymous No.11994921]

>>11981892
Do you play violent video games?

[Anonymous No.11994936]

I eat vegetarian at home and I honestly think Quorn is delicious. The change for me was so easy and an absolute no brainer as I like Quorn mince and pieces as much as I do chicken.

Although I'm not really vegetarian, around once a week I'll have a fish meal and once a fortnight I'll eat a meat dinner at the pub.

I'm too stupid to make sure I'm not nutritionally deficient otherwise and a cute animal dies, but like it's buy one get one free burgers and they're tasty as.

[Anonymous No.11994939]

>>11994921
No

[Anonymous No.11994966]

>>11994939
If you are a moralfag that thinks pretending to do something is at least almost equatable with actually performing the act, what the fuck are you doing posting in a pit of social and moral decay such as 4chan?

[Anonymous No.11995040]

I was vegan for a few years. It was kinda nice until I started lifting. Being vegan while lifting as an average middle class goy honestly just got too complicated. Maybe it'd be easier if you had money to throw away on very decent vegan food (not shitty bean burgers) and a qualified nutritionist.
I'm very much against factory farming and try to buy locally sourced meat, but to make a hard switch to shovelling pounds of beans down my gullet to sustain my protein demand is outside the realm of possibility.
Couple that with the fact that every vegan I know (irl or youtube personality) who has been so for 3+ years is borderline anemic from iron deficiency, limp wristed, or just looking ill and tired all the time. Why is this the norm? All your statistics on macronutrients and environmental impact per calorie etc. all check out, but why can't you explain your own poor health?
I would switch to veganism immediately if most vegans I met were the examples of exceptional health they claim themselves to be. That is ALL it would take, but it couldn't be farther from reality. So if you don't mind, I'm going to continue eating my goddamn meat.

[Anonymous No.11995049]

>>11981892
Because they're not denying that meat is tasty, they just don't want to kill animals to eat it?

I fundamentally do not give a fuck about animals, and I suspect most of humanity is in the same boat. "The pustules on one's neck interests them more than 400 million earthquakes in Africa" as the saying goes. Vegans are sort of fighting a lost cause trying to appeal to a moral high ground instead of economical or ecological factors.

[Anonymous No.11995515]

>>11995040
>every vegan I know (irl or youtube personality) who has been so for 3+ years is borderline anemic from iron deficiency, limp wristed, or just looking ill and tired all the time. Why is this the norm? All your statistics on macronutrients and environmental impact per calorie etc. all check out, but why can't you explain your own poor health?

Yeah don't fall all over yourselves answering this one vegans????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ

[Anonymous No.11995652]

>>11995515
Most vegans are retards who don't manage their diet properly, neither does the average person though. The difference is the standard person generally consumes too much sugar and saturated fat. Meanwhile vegans don't consume enough macros and micros leading to other health problems. When it comes specifically to heart health vegans do excel. Too bad they meet or fall below expectations on everything else.

[Anonymous No.11996055]

Vegan fags are obviously scizo, lets see how the ppl of the small island of Icaria( the location with the highest percentage of 90-year-olds on the planet) – nearly 1 out of 3 people make it to their 90s. Furthermore, Icarians "have about 20 percent lower rates of cancer, 50 percent lower rates of heart disease and almost no dementia do it;
>good physical condition, due to daily exercise for manual work and rural life. The daily walk of people, which is combined with the mountainous topography of the island 's ,enhances good physical condition.
>the midday rest, even with a short nap , have proven that protects and improves heart function.
>the Mediterranean diet, combined with the natural products produced and consumed on the island, such as vegetables, fruits, various vegetables, fish, olive oil, local honey and of course the famous red wine. Surveys conducted, also showed that a significant factor in the longevity of Ikarians has played the consumption of Turkish coffee and tea, as key antioxidants for the body.
>the minimal use of drugs .
>the active sexual activity, even of old people.
the emotional attachment and strong family and social ties between Ikarian people .
and of course the relaxed pace of people in their daily lives, without anxiety and stress.

[Anonymous No.11996060]

>>11996055
That looks like an incredible place to live.

[Anonymous No.11996113]

>>11996060
In Okinawa — an archipelago 360 miles off the coast of Japan — you’ll find the world’s highest prevalence of proven centenarians: 740 out of a population of 1.3 million. Okinawan seniors not only have the highest life expectancy in the world, but also the highest health expectancy: they remain vigorous and healthy into old age, suffering relatively few age-related ailments.
Secrets of Longevity: Widespread gardening provides an opportunity for exercise, nutritious food and sunlight, and Okinawans follow an old adage that says “eat until you are 80% full” instead of gorging. They also have a sense of purpose, a positive outlook on life and close social support groups.
Sardinia is an island 120 miles off the coast of Italy where the men — mostly farmers and shepherds — are particularly long-lived. In fact, just one town of 1,700 people, Ovodda, boasts five centenarians.
Secrets of Longevity: Although part of the reason for Sardinia’s longevity may be genetic, they also have the opportunity to follow that healthy Mediterranean diet, as well as consuming lots of goats’ cheese and milk. They walk a lot, but they also take time for leisure, and maintain a positive attitude and sense of humor about life.
Ikaria is a Greek island 35 miles off the coast of Turkey. Like Nicoya, they’ve got a lot of nonagenarians: people there are three times more likely to reach 90 than Americans are. Chronic diseases are a rarity in Ikaria. People living in this region have 20% less cancer, half the rate of cardiovascular disease and almost no dementia!
Secrets of Longevity: Its residents stay active through walking, farming and fishing, but they also make sure to take time out to nap and socialize. In addition to their Mediterranean diet, they eat a lot of wild greens and drink an herbal tea that’s full of nutrients. Their community lifestyle also encourages good health habits and regular social engagement.
tl:dr island life rocks

[Anonymous No.11996769]

>>11981892
because stuff like that burger are for bandwagonfags that can't let go of their animal product addiction. It's not for lifelong plant based eaters, they don't go near this stuff.

[Anonymous No.11997623]

Vegan here. Too lazy to check the thread to see if anyone has answered honestly.

Lesbians who hate men still use dildos on each other because it feels good. Same applies here. Fake meat tastes good because beans/other proteins get boring after a while.

[Anonymous No.11997668]

>>11981892
>bought a pack and made a burger for me and the misses
can i eat this raw if i wanted? its made of plants isnt it?

[Anonymous No.11997705]

>>11997623
Why does every vegan friend I have claim that meat taste bad? It all makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.11997788]

>>11994050
We still use horses retard.

[Anonymous No.11997792]

>>11997788
>the state of your entire existence
Christ buddy

[Anonymous No.11997801]

>>11997792
Have you never heard of a fucking horse race?

[Anonymous No.11997805]

>>11997801
Once you graduate your fourth grade level literacy test at the end of the school year, I’ll be waiting for an apology

[Anonymous No.11997832]

>>11997788
Jesus christ, anon
>>11997801
>doubles down on thinking he was saying that we don't use horses
Holy shit

[Anonymous No.11997838]

>>11997805
>Can't even use full stops.
>Decides to use literacy as an excuse for not knowing about horse races anyway.
Absolute fucking stupidity.

[Anonymous No.11997841]

>>11997832
>Thinking cows will still exist if humans no longer have a need for them
>The reason he thinks this is because horses exist, even though we still use them and so it's a shit analogy.
You're a true idiot.

[Anonymous No.11997845]

>>11981892
Those are made out of vegetarians so that's why they are vegan

[Anonymous No.11998013]

>>11997841
>Thinking cows will still exist if humans no longer have a need for them
But we will still have a need for them even if we aren't killing them for food. Education reasons, keeping small herds for backup in case lab-grown resources get lost/destroyed, people who just like them and want to have them as "pets", etc.

[Anonymous No.11998662]

>>11998013
If somebody invented perfect lab grown meat today, we would be racing cows by the evening.

It would have a billion hits on youtube by tomorrow morning.

[Anonymous No.11998973]

>>11982168
>>11982209
samefagging faggot faggotry

[Anonymous No.11999023]

>>11982718
You sound like you'd be a shit parent tbqh

[Anonymous No.11999051]

>>11981892
I honestly wonder this a lot. It's like those gluten free idiots who desperately cling to dry crumbly bread. Like nigga just eat something else if you really want to commit to this diet.

[Anonymous No.11999063]

>>11981892
because you can have an alternative to meat without killing an animal? Do you also object to tempeh and wheat gluten?
once again, meatcucks are delusional and can't just say they want to kill animals.

[Anonymous No.11999098]

>>11999063
was this post necessary? I know you eat meat but youre just pretending to be vegan so you can shitpost.

[Anonymous No.11999529]

>>11998662
Racing cows legit sounds like a lot of fun, at least until the kinks are ironed out.

[Anonymous No.11999540]

>>11998013
>>11998662
People already keeps cows to groom and enter into competitions. Pic related, washed and blow dried cow.

[Anonymous No.11999952]

>>11983974
>>11983904
>>11984137
>>11985430
>>11985444
>>11986284
>>11987362

Lmao carnicucks are in denial look at this cuck you posted the video about

[Anonymous No.12000014]

>>11987199
>fruitarian is plant based
It's literally not. Freely is a fruitarian and eats like 20 bananas a day which is proven to be unhealthy, every normal vegan/plant based eater will tell you this. They eat only raw fruits/veggies and nothing else. Way to much fructose in that diet. A normal plant based diet is everything you normally eat but only without animal products. You should eat mostly carbs, like potatoes, rice, pasta, then vegetables mostly cruciferous like broccoli, kale, brussels sprout, and at the end of the pyramid fruit nuts & oils

it's that easy and it's proven that this makes you live a 100 y.o + without any heart disease 1-2 times fish a week is okay too. But all these retarded diets like Keto or Carnivore, fruitarianism etc are just exactly that, retarded diets.

Why do people always need to drift into fucking extremes?

[Anonymous No.12000071]

>>12000014
>Why do people always need to drift into fucking extremes?
An extreme solution to something that seems like a huge problem might look more viable to someone experiencing that problem. I think most people end up moderating themselves though once they see the downsides to doing something to the extreme.

[Anonymous No.12000116]

>>11996113
>Okinawans and Sardinians

Did you ever notice how vegans point to meat eaters, to promote their vegan (100% meat abstaining) diet, and use it to "prove" how veganism works?

I will live like the Okinawans (omnivore) while vegans' teeth fall out and they wither and fade like the raw runner and Arnold Kauffman.

(Okinawans specialize in eating high quality pork and fish, it's literally their culture as you illustrated in the posts here) they also eat vegetables of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs

[Anonymous No.12000117]

>>12000071
Yeah, i think they ended up there because of that mindset in the first place. Those people don't know balance

[Anonymous No.12000137]

>>12000014
I'm pretty sure Freelee eats cooked stuff, and she only promoted "raw till 4" when she was doing that. You better check your facts unless you're confusing her with fully raw christina.

They both look unhealthy, but FREELEE is literally a raging skeleton.
>>11999952
OK Gojiman roll the titles

[Anonymous No.12000146]

Because they are not against the flavor of meat but the killing for it, it's not exactly a hard to grasp concept if you're not a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.12000248]

>>12000146
Vegans kill uncountable numbers of animals on every vegetable farm, of which there are millions necessary to feed them. Vegans don't give the slightest fuck about killing animals, it's just a silly PR campaign for their leftist cult.

http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.12000320]

Because meat tastes good, and vegan would like to eat things that taste good while avoiding to kill animals. Are you really pretending to not understand that? Do you think you're gonna own the vegans by pretending to be retarded?

[Anonymous No.12000347]

>>12000248
They care about the visible killings of poor doe-eyed cows

[Anonymous No.12001074]

>>12000320
Vegans humiliate themselves every day we don't have to do anything.
>>12000347
This must be it. The hogs and cows are visible and vegans get sheeple thinking and empathizing about them, they carefully avoid or dismiss the millions of rabbits, mice, reptiles etc etc vegans themselves kill on their vegetable farms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rieOahGXUU

[Anonymous No.12001344]

If vegans can make 100% authentic fake meat, flavor, texture, smell, everything...

I'll be happy to go full vegan in a second.

[Anonymous No.12003155]

>>11994169
>Answers a wall of valid arguments with a facebook blog post that answers none of the previous points, and relies on children drawings of sad mice

Jesus Christ dude get a grip

[Anonymous No.12003165]

>>11982218
>starving
>holocaust
>victims
Good one, senpai

[Anonymous No.12003213]

[Anonymous No.12004238]

Do vegans eat chocolate containing milk?

[Anonymous No.12005428]

>>12003155
Bro your "wall of solid arguments" are pathetic Jussie smallet tier lies. Works on 12 year old girls to recruit them into Veganism, doesn't work here.

[Anonymous No.12005442]

>>12004238
A vegan can be shamed and hated by "real vegans" if xer is spotted eating a normal chocolate bar (not vegan because it contains .00002g of condensed milk in the milk chocolate.) Vegans eat special "vegan" (soy) chocolate bars, ice cream, cake ettc.

[Anonymous No.12007250]

>>12003155
He answered the question, didn’t he? faget

[Anonymous No.12008276]

shit tastes goood

[Anonymous No.12008745]

>>11981892
this brand is great

[Anonymous No.12008749]

>>11989453
healthier than real meat

[Anonymous No.12008766]

>>12008749
>factory processed garbage is healthier than non processed garbage

er huh no

[Anonymous No.12008770]

>>11981892
.

[Anonymous No.12008799]

>>12004238
no
>>12003213
killing parasites is okay; killing bacteria is okay
>>12001344
Beyond is good enough. Make the switch now.
>>12000116
I think the kind of people who are naturally and naturally stay skinny are more likely to go vegan, than normal people who go vegan and end up underweight; going vegan doesn't change their habits like undereating
>>11999051
It has to do with lack of knowledge of their alternatives
>>11997623
>>11996769
there's nothing wrong with eating "fake meat", just as there is nothing wrong with drinking "fake milk"

[Anonymous No.12008814]

>>12008766
meat is processed
and just because this was concocted doesn't mean it isn't healthy; processed milk and cereal fortifies the product with nutrients

[Anonymous No.12009218]

>>12008799
There is nothing wrong with eating real, healthy food either.